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1151  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: how do... on: February 22, 2011, 16:02:49
I will play the devil's advocate for a moment, and say that trace theory is not fully dead- there still remains evidence that memories are encoded in particular parts of the brain.

The experiments that show that memory loss is proportional to mass of brain tissue removed do not necessarily only have the potential to indicate that memories are entirely non-local; the modern trace theorists believe that memories are like bundles of perceptions that the hippocampus ties together, and solidifies as synaptic connections.

 For instance, if you had a birthday party at seven, your hippocampus might unite the visual memories of the colored balloons and the disturbing clown, the auditory memories of your uncle playing his guitar at the time, the olefactory memories of the cake and floorwax your father had left, and perception of thankfullness at having friends and family gathered to celebrate your life. Now if a part of your brain was removed, say the occipital part that processed the visual memories, the other parts would still remain, and still tell a fairly cohesive tale of what had happened at your party.

Thus, the same for these monkeys and octopi- even though parts of their brains had been removed, the memory consisted of elements stored in several parts of their brains, corresponding to the parts that had processed each type of perception.

I am not making an argument for the physicality of memories and mind, but I am denying the idea that no one has any idea how a physical system might store our memories.

The experiments you cited are far to simplisticly constructed and analyzed to rule out this possibility.


http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/memory/


Both cognitive anthropologists and philosophers drawing on dynamical and situated approaches to cognition suggest a general framework for memory science incorporating traces both inside and outside the individual. This is not to collapse the distinction between external and internal representational formats: for a connectionist in particular, the kind of ‘storage’ mechanisms employed by the brain are quite distinct in format and process from those of most external linguistic or digital systems. The point rather is to see brain traces and external traces as potential parts of temporarily integrated larger systems, used by us so as more successfully to exploit and manipulate information in the environment. As Andy Clark puts it, “our brains make the world smart so that we can be dumb in peace” (1997, p. 180). Our interaction with different forms of external symbol systems and ‘cognitive technologies’ in some contexts alter our cognitive capacities. Culture and technology are products of cognition and action, but in the human case, as Merlin Donald argues, such products in turn “have direct effects upon individual cognition” (1991, p. 10).

So the best explanations of the form and content of specific personal memories may often refer not simply to the past episode itself, but to multiple causes which span internal and external factors. Cognitive scientists cannot legitimately ignore the transmission and transformation of external representations: conversely, some explanations in the social sciences of memory will refer to appropriately flexible internal processes of schematization or reconstruction.



http://www.psywww.com/intropsych/ch06_memory/how_are_memories_stored.html

How are Memories Stored?

We have seen that formation of one type of memory-episodic memory-involves a specific part of the brain: the hippocampus. However, other areas of the brain are involved in other forms of memory. "Memory is modular," says neuroscientist Patricia Goldman-Rakic (Service, 1993). For example, Wilson, Scalaidhe, and Goldman-Rakic (1993) found that one set of neurons was active when monkeys remembered the identity of a stimulus; another was active when the monkeys remembered the location of a stimulus. These findings converge with other data suggesting two distinct visual circuits in the brain, one for object recognition, another for object localization (see the discussion of blindsight in chapter 4). In this case memory is involved rather than perception.


Probably each part or module of the brain remembers its own role in each distinct type of brain activity. If so, each part of the brain involved in an experience should show activity during memory of that experience later. Dingledine (1995) notes that "long-lasting changes in synaptic strength are not limited to the hippocampus but are encountered in nearly every layered structure one examines from the cerebellum to olfactory and neocortices, in keeping with the expectation that memory storage areas are distributed throughout the brain."

Brennan, Kaba, and Keverne (1990) showed that a rat's memory for sexual attractant odor was stored at the first synapse after the odor receptor. In other words, the memory was stored in the same neurons that responded to the odor. Again, memory is in the structures that participate in representing the event in the first place.

If memory is a construction, then it makes sense that memories would be stored in the same neurons that originally constructed an experience, because they are the neurons that might be called upon later to help remember it. This is like the old principle of efficient workplace organization: store at the point of first use. In other words, store something at the location where you expect to need it later. In the case of memory representation, the unique brain region involved in the experience would be the first place to look for storage of that memory. The big exception, as earlier noted, is event memory of humans, because the whole person (so to speak) participates in each episode of life. Such memories apparently require processing in the region of the hippocampus, drawing information from widespread parts of the brain and knitting it together.
1152  Metaphysics / Welcome to Metaphysics! / Re: What part of the brain do we "Notice" our dreams? on: February 14, 2011, 07:00:39
Yes, but then how does our brain lead to perception?

I am not asking how an optical signal is transfered to the thalamus and angular gyrus, and to the occipital lobe for processing, etc; I am asking how a bio-mechinical machine creates an experience that a previously non-existant entity, your consciousness, undergoes? Where does this entity which is self-aware come from in all this, what physical process is capable of creating it? Don't say a network of neurons communicating, because that is a cop-out; tell me how these machines talking to one another with signals can create a self-aware being.
1153  Metaphysics / Welcome to Metaphysics! / Re: What part of the brain do we "Notice" our dreams? on: February 13, 2011, 20:45:36
Yeah, I think I read you post about the same way.

The thing was though, that because of the structure of the wording, it seemed to favor one possibility over the other, and I addressed that possbility ( the possibility that they were not encoded in physical body); the whole abscence of evidence not evidence of abscence argument, mainly.

But yeah- I think we are on close to the same page.
1154  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: If you live in the US... on: February 13, 2011, 10:52:52
Yeah, but even then, it is tough to get by without something processed in your diet. I mean you can grow tomatoes and lettuce, but what about the wrap you put them in, or the pasta in your stir fry, or the potatoes  you can't grow yourself, etc.

It is beyond the means of normal people to sustain their own diets without revolving their entire lifestyle around it, and even then, you cannot grow your full dietary complement.

The only way this can be resolved is legislatively, and we are heading in the exact opposite direction.

Our country is making people helpless, in yet another way.
1155  Metaphysics / Welcome to Metaphysics! / Re: What part of the brain do we "Notice" our dreams? on: February 13, 2011, 10:46:36
I am not convinced that memories are not stored in the physical brain at all, though. Just because we have not found the way they might be encoded does not mean they are not. It seems strange that they would not be there in any form, since dreams and other unconcsious activity reference memory to such an extent.
1156  Metaphysics / Welcome to Metaphysics! / Re: What part of the brain do we "Notice" our dreams? on: February 11, 2011, 23:07:10
I tend to suspect something similar. From a philosophical basis, I have difficulty with reasoning out a way that first-person, self-aware type experiences can result from a bio-mechanical machine. If you believe whole-heartedly in materialsm, you must also accept that computers, when they are sophisticated enough, may harbor consciousness, and that it is also possible to make a machine out of magnets and tinker toys that is self-aware, if it is complex enough. It is an absolute mystery to me that most of the scientific community accepts without questioning that what they consider inanimate, sterile matter may be aranged in such a way that it becomes self-aware. Where would the first-person experiences come from?

Don't get me wrong, I think a great part of our identities is housed in our brains, and will ultimately die with it- observing how those with brain injuries change so drastically should be proof enough of that; but I don't think our brains are capable, from what science knows of matter at this point, from originating our consciousness itself.

I think on death it will be shown that our brains are indeed an interface as you say, but I also think we will lose the human perspective we had before, and see things through an entirely new direction.
1157  Metaphysics / Welcome to Metaphysics! / Re: Chee Soo - Taoist Master on: February 11, 2011, 07:47:26
Tao Te Ching 15:

The excellent masters of old,
Subtle, mysterious, mystic, acute,
Were much too profound for their times.
Since they were not then understood,
It is better to tell how they looked.

Like men crossing streams in the winter,

How cautious!
As if all around there were danger,

How watchful!
As if they were guests on every occasion,

How dignified!
Like ice just beginning to melt,

Self-effacing!
Like an unhewn log untouched by a tool,

How sincere!
Like a valley awaiting a guest,

How receptive!
Like a torrent that rushes along,

And so turbid!

Who, running dirty, comes clean like still waters?
Who, being quiet, moves others to fullness of life?
It is he who, embracing the Way, is not greedy;
Who endures wear and tear without needing renewal.


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guess you have to do that stuff.
1158  Metaphysics / Welcome to Metaphysics! / Re: What part of the brain do we "Notice" our dreams? on: February 11, 2011, 07:35:32
Yeah, no one can really say.

The pineal gland is interesting insofar as it is the only other place outside eyes that retinal tissue, the type that can create an optical signal, is found. No one can say for sure what role the pineal might play in dreams and mental visualizations though.

If you are talking about gaining lucidity dreams, I would guess that there is alot of frontal lobe activity there, as gaining lucidity involves activating the part of our brain where we usually experience waking awareness.
1159  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: If you live in the US... on: February 09, 2011, 06:27:12
MONSANTO.

That is all that needed to be said.

Pretty sure Monsanto is one of the four horsemen... not sure if it is Famine or pestilence though. Maybe it could be both?
1160  Metaphysics / Welcome to Quantum Physics! / Re: BBC Horizon (2011) - What is Reality? on: February 06, 2011, 04:18:49
Well it is theoretical at the moment. They are devoloping terminology to describe what must be the case if certian guesses or suppositions are true, and they need language to describe that. The distinction between the terms "universe" and "multiverse" expresses the separation of the models of reality each of them describes. Introducing a new term emphasizes the idea that it is a new way of looking at existence, while retaining the older term allows it to have part of its old meaning.
1161  Metaphysics / Welcome to Quantum Physics! / Re: BBC Horizon (2011) - What is Reality? on: February 05, 2011, 19:44:59
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How can there be a plural to it if it is already supposed to encompass the entirety of it?
 
   
 

Many people take "universe" to mean the whole of the physical, material (matter and energy) entity of which our planet is a part, and which is contiguous across a spatial plane.

It is believed that there are possibile other "universes" like our own, that are separated by some uncrossable barrier. This may be because they are separtated on other timelines which can never cross or interact, or are places where opposite possibilities in seemingly random quantum events are played out alternatively. They may also be places which exist in entirely separate spatial volumes, which are governed by entirely different physical laws or constants than our universe.

So some people take "multiverse" to denote the whole of this collection of separte universes, which never interact or affect one another, but nonetheless all exist.

If this seems strange, I guess you can also consider the example of the word "atom", which was meant to denote the smallest indivisible unit of matter. When subatomic particles were found that comprised these, atoms still retained their name, even if it was apparently no longer literally true. It might be the same with "universe"; we may have used the word once to denote the entirety of existence, and meant by this a certain physical entity which seemed to comprise the totality of all things; if this should prove to be inaccurate, the physical universe might still retain this name.
1162  Astral Chat / Welcome to News and Media! / Re: UFO over Jerusalem Video... What dya think? on: February 04, 2011, 22:38:36
Yeah, while I do think that it is highly probable, to the point of very near certainty there is an alien prescence about us, incongruously almost all images and videos depicting possible evidence, including this one, are incredibly dodgy.

They are always out of focus for one, and that is never a good sign. Could be anything, with a blur like that- moving lights, video edits, or even an out of focus object a close range.

But nonetheless, in principle thanks for posting it, since awareness of all the possibilities and availible media is always beneficial, even if this one particular case seems to have been discredited.
1163  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: Movie - "Enter the Void" on: February 03, 2011, 23:54:23
Oh, I definitely thought it was fitting- in fact, if I recall corretly, the Book of the Dead does say that the soon to be reincarnated will see countless copulating couples, in the midst of conception; and for a movie that dealt so heavily with the subconscious mind, even more so, since sex is a major subliminal part of our lives, whether people choose to acknowledge it or not.

I just found it funny how front-and-center, and overwhelmingly central it was.
1164  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: Movie - "Enter the Void" on: February 03, 2011, 17:45:44
I did enjoy this film.

It is notable to me that none of the characters is really billed as heroic, despite their ocasional triumphs; the forgoing of this convetional literary structure allows the film to tell a story about human reality and nature instead. I also found there to be very strong subconscious elements sewn into the film, with many genuinely sublime and uncomfortable moments- one thing the film does supremely well is to show what transcendent value one single moment of shared, serene repose can have. The director is up there with Ingmar Bergman on this one point, at least.

There is also an almost comic amount of sexuality, with bizzarely long amounts of the films devoted to countless (literally dozens) of sexual encounters, but I guess this sort of works with the subconsious themes.

Recomended, but clearly not for everyone; requires patience, but it was well worth it to me.
1165  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: personalreality - Cosmic Hart on: January 31, 2011, 06:09:07
Good work, I like the tracks.

I have dabbled in music theory a while, and had considered playing with electronic music composition, but the process has always mystified me.

For instance, what is the thought sequence in their formation, in your case? Do you start with a chord progression, and add counterpoint and backbeat, or do you start with ripped vocal sample, and do the same around it? Or do they maybe start directly at the percussion? It was never clear to me, haha.

And do you synthesize your own instrument voices from scratch, or do you work with a library of instruments pre-made? I know both is done, but I don't know how common either approach is.

And what applictions do you use in your process- sequencing, post-prodction, etc?

Sorry to ask so many questions, haha- just trying to get a handle of how this works!  rolleyes
1166  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: I want to die on: January 29, 2011, 12:07:55
Kind of you to add some words of encouragement while you... insert an advertisement... into a nine-year-old thread...
1167  Astral Chat / Welcome to News and Media! / Re: World Business Leaders told Aliens are real on: January 29, 2011, 07:20:28
Hi Lexy, thanks for posting this.

Just a note, in the future when you make a directic quote like that, make every effort to differentiate the quote from your own statements- for instance, I might have done something like this:

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Quoted from article, link below:

"At five thousand dollars a ticket, some business leaders got more than they bargained for when they attended the first day of the Global Competitiveness Forum (GCF) being held in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. They were told flying saucers are real, and they had better start thinking about the business implications of extraterrestrial life and technologies. Convened each year by the Saudi Arabian General Investment Authority, the GCF brings together business and political leaders to discuss ways of promoting business competitiveness. For the first time at its annual conference, the GCF held a panel discussing UFOs and extraterrestrial life. Titled “Learning from Outer Space” the panel comprised five speakers who all endorsed the view that extraterrestrial life is real, and has many implications for the world as we know it."

NEWS ARTICLE

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The main reason is that when I read your post, I literally thought they were your words, until I read the article.

It is pretty funny that a conference on international business awareness of the implications of alien life and technologies should have happened in Saudi Arabia, seeing as they are the world center for the established oil economy, and the ones who would conceivably be left farthest in the dust by an energy revolution. We are always hearing, true or otherwise, that the oil industry is trying to buy out or silence the pioneers of alternative energy systems, and it seems like the greatest contribution that the oil lobby would make is to violently suppress energy developments that damages oil's hold.




1168  2012 and The Transition of the Ages / Welcome to 2012 and The Transition of the Ages / Re: Solar Storm Activity for 2011-2012 on: January 27, 2011, 11:26:27
Why does something big and terrible, necessitating much suffering need to happen for your life to be exciting though?

You could just as easily make your life exciting on your own, without the need for external events to impose on you and everyone else. You might think differently if you were among the lot not coming out of so unscathed, lol.

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did anyone read this, i got linked to it and i wasn't really "reading" it, just seemed like mumbojumbo but it's relevant.

http://islamthesolution.tumblr.com/post/2943432230/nasa-confirms-the-possibility-the-sun-could-rise-from

Lol... the people this article is meant to reach have a vested interest in the poleshift idea happening, because it validates scriptural prophecy for them; the article and any research cited must clearly have this very openly stated bias attached to it.

1169  2012 and The Transition of the Ages / Welcome to 2012 and The Transition of the Ages / Re: Solar Storm Activity for 2011-2012 on: January 27, 2011, 01:21:23
NASA is not exactly infallible, lol. They are just a bunch of reasonably talented phycists and engineers. They are limited by the data that they are able to gather or are provided with, and also limited in what they are permitted to say for political and regulatory reasons.
1170  The Astral Library / Welcome to Book Reviews! / Re: The best book. on: January 27, 2011, 01:17:12
Depends on what you are looking for.

Robert Bruce and Robert Monroe have good books relating to projection, excelling in differnt ways.

Thomas Campbell and Charles Tart have some interesting books relating to the nature of reality and metaphysics in general, with OBE as a central theme.
1171  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Consciousness! / Re: Shakti helmet? on: January 26, 2011, 08:22:29
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First of all, Shakti does not use "electromagnetic" stimulation. It uses magnetic fields that become stronger and weaker, millisecond to millisecond, to mimic the patterns that appear in specific EEG traces. The electromagnetic radiation that cause concern with cell phones, power lines, and nuclear technology have nothing to do with Shakti. Shakti produces magnetic fields using simple magnetic coils. the actual output from Shakti is no different from common magnets, except that Shakti's magnetic fields change their strength constantly. Holding a magnet to your head is safe, and so is Shakti. Shakti does not put electricity into your head, although there are neural stimulation devices that do.


But as has been mentioned, it is a basic law of electromagnetism that electrical currents induce magnetic fields around them, and that conversely magnetic fields also induce electrical currents.

You can't in the same breath say that electromagnetic stimulation is not used, and that magnetic fields are applied- they are nearly synonomous.

Perhaps you would not hesitate to hold a kitchen magnet to your head, but maybe you would think twice about an industrial solenoid.
1172  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Consciousness! / Re: Shakti helmet? on: January 26, 2011, 04:16:18
I would have to agree with CFT... this does not sound safe, or tested.
1173  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Consciousness! / Re: Shakti helmet? on: January 25, 2011, 23:37:31
Still can't really say... never seen a device like that, or heard of anyone having gotten benefits from one, and I have been here a decade.

What is really common to hear, though, is people using "binaural beats" systems to achieve the delta-stage projection state, such as the Monroe Institute and other sources produce. These work by entraining brain freqencies to the difference between two tones, one played in each ear. It sounds like a very similar concept, and much better known ( and safer, I would imagine).
1174  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Consciousness! / Re: Shakti helmet? on: January 25, 2011, 08:29:45
Lol... tell us more... you seem to know much more than I.

From the mere name, it sounds like it may just be a scam, but who knows! wink
1175  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Projection Experiences! / Re: Government preventing Astral Projection/Spiritual Awakening on: January 22, 2011, 15:53:47
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Governments cannot prevent anyone from anything of the like

Most likely true

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however we have recently been preventing them (governments etc) from things such as OBE AP spiritual Awakenings etc things that are talked about on sites as such
in fact we have even gone as far as taken away their guides


LOL... what does that mean, exactly?
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