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1151  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Consciousness! / Re: For OMCASEY, Buddishm, life, suffering on: September 30, 2010, 19:29:03
(though I honestly first learned about 'meditation' as mindfulness in psychology)

I am not really sure what you mean by this. What meditative practice is there in psychology that is not actually meditation? I know some James and some others had a practice of introspective relation, but this is different from the typical idea of meditation, and seems like it would better be called metacognition.
1152  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: My Curtains Are Straight!! on: September 30, 2010, 13:16:43
The funny thing is, when I lived in Rome, there were no roman blinds, lol   cheesy

Pretty much everyone has a sort of double-shuttered system, where there is a an outer louvred wheather shutter, and a flat inner one. I found it was a good system, since you can let in light, and let in air, in combination or separately.
1153  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Consciousness! / Re: For OMCASEY, Buddishm, life, suffering on: September 30, 2010, 13:07:08
It doesn't need to be called Buddhism. But it also doesn't not need to be called Buddhism.  wink

I guess you can look at it this way:

If it is an idea that has a name, and can be propogated through writings and traditions, it allows more people to become aware of it. You do practice meditative silence... but would you have thought of it on your own? You read about meditative traditions, and people who had made it a lifestyle. And the reason why these texts and articles were availible is because traditions and ways of thought have been established which propogate them. Do you really think you would have thought of doing this if you had never read about meditation, had never encountered another person who practiced or knew about the concept, and had no suspicion it existed as a technique? I mean, maybe you would have sat around doing nothing from time to time, but you probably never would have thought of actively seeking to sit and do nothing, and to actively not think of anything in the meantime.
1154  Metaphysics / Welcome to Metaphysics! / Re: Pendulum Rock Type on: September 27, 2010, 00:28:53

you need agate thgbvnfgghdemeterwatch outdontlisten rockshard typebye

False... I mean true. No, false, really false.
1155  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: Haunted Hoax: TAPS on: September 27, 2010, 00:26:32
Well, I am sure the people themselves do, but in the interest of making a television show, they throw in anything and overdramatize the slightest non-occurance.


*A noise is heard as a crew member walks in the other room*


Ten minutes later in the show, the incident is shown in slow motion, in infrared, as definitive evidence of poltergeist activity.
1156  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: Haunted Hoax: TAPS on: September 26, 2010, 22:03:52

In the Uk they have a better ghost hunter show, where girls in their underwear investigate hunted houses.

The hunters investigate hunted houses, eh? Like the witch Baba Yaga's house?

1157  Dreams / Welcome to Dreams! / Re: dreams that really hurt? on: September 26, 2010, 21:59:25
My apologies, I don't want to sound like I'm bashing Mr Bruce.  :/

But, I just disagree with some things he teaches...

This is my position as well. He has done great things for the subject and those practicing. He is also a major theoritician though, and I think it is reasonable to say there are things that make sense in his reasoning, and other things which seem to need more grounding than he provides, such as his ideas about energy bodies and their structure. One can safely respect what Bruce has done for the community while not accepting all he theorizes.
1158  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: Anyone know anything about the Mantis looking aliens? on: September 26, 2010, 20:25:42
Lol... If I picked up the phone and heard an insectoid voice answer it, I don't know what I would do. It would petrify me. I wouldn't even consider someone was playing a joke, just skip to raw terror, lol. For some reason the idea of unknown non-human voices speaking over the phone is one of the scariest things I can think of. I remember I saw a movie in the 90's called the "Mothman Prophecies" where a demented alien sounding voice that spoke very slowly called the protagonist; it is probably the single most terrifying thing I can recall having seen in any movie.

And yeah, I have read random stories about the mantis race in the past. Some of the stories say that they are a sort of guardian race, serving as peace  keepers. Others describe them as having their own agenda. Who really knows? That is, provided they even exist as such.
1159  Dreams / Welcome to Dreams! / Re: dreams that really hurt? on: September 26, 2010, 20:13:55
Well... maybe you are, and maybe your aren't. You can't really say with certainty there aren't psychic baddies "nibbling your aura". I am can confidently say there is probably no one here, including Bruce, that can definitively declare that there either are or aren't negative entities that feed on people's energies.

But yes, why get yourself worked up about something you can never really know for sure? Even if you should see one you could never be sure it wasn't a mental construct.
1160  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: Come to IRC Chat! on: September 26, 2010, 18:46:43
I'd like to encourage everyone, including the "Guests" who lurk on the forums, to join the Astral Pulse chat!
C'mon guys!  Drop in and say hi!  

At most moments I check, there are 3-6 members online, and 30-60 or so guests. That means 90% of the forum's attendees are in the shadows. They are AP's personal form of dark matter.

1161  Dreams / Welcome to Dreams! / Re: dreams that really hurt? on: September 26, 2010, 18:40:48
it could be a parasite using you as a human shield 

Robert Bruce has a few books you can buy for pyschic defense against entities using you as a means of psychic defense... unless of course the entities have psychic defense against you using psychic defense as a means to prevent them from using you as a means of psychic defense.

Then you would need another order of psyhic defense, and Lewis Carrol to sort out the details for you.
1162  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: The Universe... on: September 26, 2010, 18:32:54
The definition of "a second" is based on a cesium atom being at absolute zero degree Kelvin ->

The atoms may have stopped vibrating at absolute zero degree Kelvin, but that will not affect the definition of "a second", as the electrons will still revolve around the atoms, and the small changes in electrons paths around the atoms core are the definition of a second.

A lot of things change at zero degree Kelvin (0 K), absolute zero. Electromagnetic waves, myons, neutrions (always moving), movement of photons of light, and most probably also the quarks, gluons revolve inside the nucleus, perhaps dark matter & dark energy too.

Time is defined as change.

One second is defined as a certain amount of change.

Yeah, you're right- there is still a lot happening at absolute zero, but that is not really what I was getting at per se. What I was getting at was rather that it seemed like it was missing the prime meaning of what time is to only be able to measure it by cyclical events or progessions, especially because these may increase or decrease their rate for some unforseen reason. For instance, if you are measuring time by the number of orbits an electron makes, and you didn't know that there was a slow change in the universal constants that was causing more orbits per time interval to be possible with the same kinetic energy, you would be meauring more time passing in the present than you had at every previous moment. It would seem that you could substitute half-life decay, or any other physical process and have it subject to the same caveat.

So it seems like a very unstable means of reckoning time if you have no guarantee that the process you are using occurs of necessity at a fixed rate (notwithstanding the fact that the idea of time is built into the concept of rate). That would mean there was no way of knowing that a second now was the same interval as a second in the past.

I realize the need to establish a physical change as a means to measure time, but I don't think time is dependent on change, but rather that it is change that is dependent on time to occur. The idea of basing the passage of time on a measuremnt of change seems measurement-centric, much in the same way that it is measurement-centric to base the standard length of a meter on a certain platinum-iridium rod, or a certain fraction of the length of the earth around its equator, as it is. The same pitfall that we ran into with time could arise here, and the distance between subatomic particles could be steadily increasing, as per some trend in universal constant changes. Perhaps as a result, the entire universe is getting proportionally larger in an isometric fashion, such that we as part of it, are now twice the volume we once were. We would have not realized that though, since the earth and the platinum iridium rod have also changed by proportionate measure, and we think we have been the same measure all along. I realize there are pitfalls to this scenario, but I think it illustrates well the problem I was trying to conceptualize for you.
1163  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: The Universe... on: September 26, 2010, 14:58:36
Not quite. Time is defined as change. As specific amount of change is considered to be a second.

This still feels like an inadequate definition of time. What about a state where matter is held in stasis in absolute zero? Nothing changes, but one moment is still different from another, if in no measurable way other than not being the same moment.

What about a whole univerese where this is the case, where there is matter, but no motion at all- everything is held in a static kind of balance. By that reasoning, this universe would also necessarily exist outside of time.
1164  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: Anyone know anything about the Mantis looking aliens? on: September 26, 2010, 14:52:41
Yeah... but then I am not really saying they would be one thing or another (collective unconscious archetype, non-physically manifesting entity, or objective waking entity). I am just saying that the majority of the times people say they have been seen they were in an altered state; this to me suggests that if they are real, all three posibilities are viable.
1165  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: Anyone know anything about the Mantis looking aliens? on: September 26, 2010, 09:30:16
Yeah... I sorta' assumed you only wanted one of those negatives, but were filled with such certainty, you accidentally used it twice.  wink

Using the search function on the site for other threads, here are some exceprts which describe entities similar to what you bring up.

Tiny, April 22nd, 2010:
What Robert Bruce saw in his first OBE was a mantis alien manipulating him with some sort of energy ball.
He has also mentioned how these ETs implant suggestions, ideas, urges etc. - directly into the minds of humans to take influence on them.
In my opinion, it is simply put mind warfare, programming wars.

SnakeDoctor, March 13th, 2009:
"As a child, my twin sister and I remember a man, a man we called the "Triangle Man" come into our room at night and terrify us. This did not happen every night, but it happened more than once, and we both consciously remember that.

He would come in through the wall, and only when we were in bed... never when we were awake playing or during the day, only at night when we were to be going to sleep. When he would come in the room, through the wall, the floor seemed to shift in a downward motion, like we would be sliding down toward him, although the bed never moved, and we couldn't either. We wouldn't be able to move at all, like we were paralyzed.

Our beds were side by side with a small dresser between us, and although we couldn't turn our heads to look at each other, we could see each other out of the corner of our eyes and we would stare at each other in fear. I remember also feeling like I knew he was coming and there was nothing I or my sister could do about it. He would slowly walk up to the end of our beds and look at us. There were times I remember him coming up right beside me and looking at me, or going to my sister and I would watch him watch her.

Neither of us remember abduction or anything like that, but we both believe our undeniable interest, fascination and fear of aliens and UFOs have something to do with it. We both fear aliens and UFOs, always have, and for no particular reason other than this childhood memory. You really can't have a fear of something for no reason; something has to generate that fear inside of you, and I believe maybe our memory of "Triangle Man" is that generator.

He was not very tall, but frail, with long, skinny arms and legs, with a slender face that was shaped like an upside-down triangle. His eyes were big and dark, and I also associate the color purple with him; not sure why. I can't remember even what color he was... maybe purplish... but despite his color, he scared me and scared my sister. We haven't seen him again since I was a child, nor my sister -- and we don't want to either."

                                               -CORINNE M. (

i came across this, and wondered what it was. figured i'd get your all's insight. i'm thinkin' its a night-terror.

Jim G.'s account, February 12, 2006  (for full account)
Shortly after his first encounter was published Jim started to have more strange experiences on a regular basis (about twice a week but they would stop completely for a month). Typically he would hear the dreaded 'clicking sound', first in his head and then in his bedroom. This was followed by a red glow on his bedroom wall, tall shadowy figures, then he would pass out. He would try his best to maintain consciousness but he rarely could. It appeared that the beings didn't want him to be awake during their visits to him (as he was in Part I). The next day he would wake up exhausted, aching all over and some times with bruises on his body. However, he was eventually successful in maintaining consciousness during several of his encounters. These vivid accounts along with Jim's impressive artwork can be read/viewed at Praying Mantis Account Part II.

His experience of November 10, 2003 described an incident where he was able to break out of the immobilised state. He had a stand-off with a short cloaked being with large red glowing eyes. The being was in a hunched position in the back corridor of his bedroom as Jim contemplated grabbing it. Jim then described what went through his mind in assessing the possible consequences of following through with his plan but the being just "turned and walked INTO and through the wall!".


The commonalities between these and the many accounts I have read are that the beings people have said they have interacted with appear sometimes in waking reality, and sometimes in a dream-state; they communicate, if at all, telepathically; they exhibit the ability to pass through walls; they seem very interested in observing human behavior.

Again, it is hard to say if such things really exist, or if people are feeding off of one another's accounts, etc. But the accounts I have read do seem to show these patterns between them, for what it is worth.
1166  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: Anyone know anything about the Mantis looking aliens? on: September 25, 2010, 19:43:16
Maybe... but it is hard to say. I would guess that they have the same chance of existing as any other sort of alien being people think of. I remember there is someone on this forum who says he and his brother would see mantid creatures like this, growing up... calling it the "triangle man", only to find that others claimed to have seen similar creatures.

Maybe it is people feeding off of one anothers' stories or hysteria, or maybe there is some grounding. I can't say that here is a way for me to know definitively, short of seeing one myself.

I can second though, that this particular creature is one lots of people claimed to have seen.
1167  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: My Curtains Are Straight!! on: September 25, 2010, 15:18:27
this belongs in the psychic and paranormal section

Lol... unlike the "TAPS" thread apparently cheesy
1168  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: My Curtains Are Straight!! on: September 24, 2010, 14:44:22
From the "Zhuangzi" late Chapter 1 (    )  :

Hueitse said to Zhuangzi, "The Prince of Wei gave me a seed of a large-sized kind of gourd. I planted it, and it bore a fruit as big as a five bushel measure. Now had I used this for holding liquids, it would have been too heavy to lift; and had I cut it in half for ladles, the ladles would have been too flat for such purpose. Certainly it was a huge thing, but I had no use for it and so broke it up."

"It was rather you did not know how to use large things," replied Zhuangzi.

"Now as to your five-bushel gourd, why did you not make a float of it, and float about over river and lake? And you complain of its being too flat for holding things! I fear your mind is full of underbrush."

Hueitse said to Zhuangzi, "I have a large tree, called the ailanthus. Its trunk is so irregular and knotty that it cannot be measured out for planks; while its branches are so twisted that they cannot be cut out into discs or squares. It stands by the roadside, but no carpenter will look at it. Your words are like that tree -- big and useless, of no concern to the world."

"Have you never seen a wild cat," rejoined Zhuangzi, "crouching down in wait for its prey? Right and left and high and low, it springs about, until it gets caught in a trap or dies in a snare. On the other hand, there is the yak with its great huge body. It is big enough in all conscience, but it cannot catch mice. Now if you have a big tree and are at a loss what to do with it, why not plant it in the Village of Nowhere, in the great wilds, where you might loiter idly by its side, and lie down in blissful repose beneath its shade? There it would be safe from the ax and from all other injury. For being of no use to others, what could worry its mind?"


Zhuangzi thinks your mind is full of underbrush, Xanth. Need to get with the Dao! So busy trying to straighten curtains, you fail to see the subtle  grace of the crooked and untamed.
1169  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Consciousness! / Re: For OMCASEY, Buddishm, life, suffering on: September 24, 2010, 07:07:55
Buddhists do fight- think of the Shaolin monks or Tibet's army. They do seem very slow going about it though... all that conscientious objection stuff. I guess you can sort of consider the buddhist history of violent resistance like that of the ents from Lord of the Rings. They will fight, but it takes a lot of convincing.
1170  Astral Chat / Welcome to News and Media! / Re: Nationalism on the rise on: September 23, 2010, 05:11:06
I don't know. Again, it all depends on what you deem mutual respect to be. The sort of mutual respect you are speaking of is one that tends to be collectivist, and think about the needs of the whole, in spite of regional and cultural separations. The type of mutual respect that I would think would be more commonplace though, would be more a more a "live and let live" sort of attitude, that tolerates cultural discrepancies and boundaries, without the individual units striving to think of themselves as members of a team.

Look at the attitudes that China and the U.S. seem to have about one another, for the last 70 years- each recognizes the strength of the other, and realizes that direct conflict would be disasterous. None the less, each practices imperialist encroachments on the interests of the other (Vietnam, Korea, Machuria). Both seem to think that the other would sieze what is theirs given the chance, and fear for the loss of their own ways of life. China and the U.S., at least on the surface are each vying to get their people more wealth and standard of life. As nation-states, they each view the other as a competitor above all else.
1171  Astral Chat / Welcome to News and Media! / Re: Nationalism on the rise on: September 23, 2010, 02:12:44
but it wouldn't surprise me-the best way to maintain control or conquer, is to divide

It is sort of funny, since paranoid NWO exposers are always saying that it is the rise of globalism and unified society that will bring the illuminati overlords into full power. So people have to be afraid of unity and division, lol?
1172  Astral Chat / Welcome to Members Introductions! / Re: Say Hello to me-im new and im a white witch. on: September 22, 2010, 04:06:52
...and throne with the sun over it...

Oh... You mean like... this one?

The one that George Washington sat in at independence hall? What are you saying about George? That he wasn't a stand-up guy?

1173  Astral Chat / Welcome to Members Introductions! / Re: Say Hello to me-im new and im a white witch. on: September 20, 2010, 21:35:02
Lol... you and I clearly keep different circles, PR  cheesy

It might help that you work at that shop dealy where you might meet occultists in real life pretty often.

And sorry to hijack your thread, Blackorchid! Welcome to the forums!
1174  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: Haunted Hoax: TAPS on: September 20, 2010, 05:56:34
People need to stop trying to prove everything in this world is a hoax... and put their energy towards something a bit more meaningful.


Yeah... I am pretty sure you are a hoax Xanth. You are probably just Stookie's other online pesonsality. And Stookie is a hoax too. He is just Frank, who didn't want people to hassle him about the book they paid for. And Adrian is also Frank, when he wants to sell more books  wink
1175  Astral Chat / Welcome to News and Media! / Theoretical example of what various types of colorblind people likely see on: September 20, 2010, 05:51:46

I thought this was interesting. Not particularly new or anything, but I always wondered how the world appeared to colorblind people.

The idea makes sense- for a red-green colorblind person, it is like going into photoshop and desaturating the red or the green part of the spectrum. They variance between them fades into a single hue and only value and intensity can be used to distinguish.

Sort of funny that they would totally miss a red berry bush out in the wild. Must have been a terrible disadvantage in hunter-gather days.
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