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1151  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: Area 51 and other assumed mysterious areas and our own manifestations on: October 16, 2010, 23:42:53
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Firstly am not asking whats at area 51 or anyother crazy place . I am just saying suppose that area 51 is only a weapons testing ground and we all believe that its some mysterious place.

Well, area 51 probably is a weapons design and testing ground. That doesn't mean there isn't anything interesting about it. The U.S. black budget is massive; years ago it was 30 billion per year, and I can only assume it is well byond that now. Further assuming that money produces some sort of result, there are certain to be marvels of some sort or another in places like this, Dreamland, Los Alamos, etc.

And Do you really think the U.S. gov. will allow unapproved satellite images of their bases to be online? Nothing they don't want people to see will be visible.


But I think what you are asking is whether or not ideas people have about a place will create a mental world in the astral which it is possible for you or I to visit without ourselves creating it. I would be very tentative about answering a question like that. It first assumes that astral experiences occur in an objective, shared space, since otherwise you could not access the ideas of others in the astral, and that the real-time zone has a direct correspondence to the waking world, not one which is generated by personal intent.

I would say that I suspect that much (if not more than that) of what we experience in OBE is generated by personal expectations or memories. I think the first thing you would find in an area 51-type place is what you expect to be there. To see more than that would bring with it the assumption that this shared mental world which everyone can affect is accessible to us in real time zone experiences- that is the hinge concept I think.
1152  2012 and The Transition of the Ages / Welcome to 2012 and The Transition of the Ages / Re: Nothing is going to happen 2012 on: October 16, 2010, 11:16:20
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...You dont actually know that, for all you know humanity will just reincarnate on a crappier world with less efficient bodies, or a warlike culture who knows...

Picard fears that humanity will reincarnate as the Klingon empire.
1153  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Consciousness! / Re: Iso-Tones on: October 16, 2010, 00:52:13
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from what i've read, iso-tones are supposedly the "new evolution" of brainwave entrainment technology.

Lol... they cut out the nonsense gimmick factor, repackage the same, and it's a "new evolution"  rolleyes
1154  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Consciousness! / Re: Iso-Tones on: October 15, 2010, 11:01:11
These seem about as effective as binaurals for me; this is funny in a way, since the producers of binaurals generally claim the way binaurals are presented allows them to do things which a single monophonic tone would not.

The way it is normally explained is that binaurals are necessary since we do not normally register tones with frequencies as low as those which our brain normally operates at (2-40 hz), and so two tones are necessary, where the brain works out the difference in frequencies, and pays special attention to this oscillation between them as the focused frequency.

I am not saying that binaurals have no advantage, but it is strange to me how these "iso-tones" are able to produce similar effects with the above in mind.
1155  2012 and The Transition of the Ages / Welcome to 2012 and The Transition of the Ages / Re: 2012 Checklist on: October 14, 2010, 06:55:12
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Everyone forgot to bring a hot naked chick beside them! lol


Lol... "beside them" as in alongside, or as in another besides themself, should they happen to be a hot naked chick?
1156  Healing / Welcome to Healing discussions! / Re: kundalini on: October 13, 2010, 08:29:17
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But the range of Kundalini symptoms encompassed all my ‘MS’ symptoms and others that MS never explained

Go into more depth about why think that.

A lot of people lately have been attributing troubles in their life to Kundalini; it is unclear how to make a strict "diagnosis", since the symptoms people associate with kundalini vary so much, but there are a few symptoms which people consider hallmarks. Perhaps what you are calling spiritual experiences are emotional movements related to the events going on you described in your life, brought on as a reaction to a great perceived change in your life. Very few people who have brought this idea up lately seem to match very closely with the "classical" idea of what kundalini is, and so it was unclear why they felt it was responsible for their experiences. I would urge you to consider exactly why you are considering kundalini sickness as the root of your troubles, and not just settle on the idea capriciously.

And welcome to the forums!  wink
1157  Astral Chat / Welcome to News and Media! / Re: Awakening As One on: October 11, 2010, 05:00:48
Hmm... thanks for posting these, but the way in which these were written and composed bothers me.

I watched parts of the first 2, and it struck me as needlessly theatric and grandiose, while at the same time carrying a continually dictorial tone and message. There is this incessant percussive beat that moves the monologue further, on a relentless path, but ironically there is no voyage or development on this path- there is only Abrahamic religion-like proclamation, with no attempt to explain the why's or wherefores. The format this ultimately causes the film to take is propaganda speech, and regardless of whether or not the content is true, I would be wary of media like this, since its intent is clearly belief induction.

I think parts of the content may be true, but are best addressed in a dialectic documentary presentation, wherethe viewer is given multiple views and can appraise their own conclusions.

Please don't be disenheartend by this reply- it is more a criticim of composition technique than content. I am sure you must have felt similarly, no?

(On a side note, I also found it humorous that as the narrator spoke the lines, "Earth's ancient cultures, these keepers of wisdom...", they showed background footage of a man pulling a vehicle with hooks through his nipples.)
1158  Energy Body and The Chakras / Welcome to Energy Body and The Chakras / Re: kundalini and horniness on: October 07, 2010, 03:29:58
I am glad someone else had trouble sorting this post out, and I am not the only one who had difficulty following....
1159  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: Open forum debate by several major philosophers on nature of consciousness on: October 07, 2010, 03:27:22
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Very interesting- I enjoyed it very much.
A sidenote:  Most anthropologists I met when in school had a similar viewpoint to (Dr?) Schlitz- I think most field anthropologists are exposed to a lot of 'weird' reality in general, and this makes them more openminded.
Just an observation from my limited experience.

I was thinking the same. I mean, as an antropologist, you must end up studying tons of indigenous and aboriginal type civilizations, and they all have their own shamanistic and mind-altering rituals as the backbone of their belief system; it is not out of the question to take things from the perspective of those societies you are studying, or even participate at times.
1160  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: Open forum debate by several major philosophers on nature of consciousness on: October 06, 2010, 19:36:42
I remember that I knew a mathematics major... he went on a retreat one summer where he literally spent 7 weeks working with 10 or so other students and professors trying to find a solution to a single kind of linear algebra problem about what sets of matrices are closed with respect to a certain kind of functional operation.

 It is amazing that so many people can collaboratively devote so much effort to a single small idea, and even more amazing to me that they work so long at it; it must have been the sort of problem you can make progress towards and get gradually "closer" to a solution, otherwise they would have been doing the same thing for 7 weeks straight.... shocked

These people clearly thought something was to be gained through intellectual collaboration.
1161  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Open forum debate by several major philosophers on nature of consciousness on: October 06, 2010, 03:21:15
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EB_RtFV-l-A

This is an interesting debate/exploration taking place between several major representatives of theories of consciousness. I found it quite relevant to this site, since it outlines many of the discussions taking place on the astralpulse, and the viewpoints they corespond with. It was exciting to me, since it deals with the area of mind-body philosophy I specialized in, but I think it should be meaningful to most others here too, since it gives a basic overview of what the major issues being thought about in area are today..

The speakers:


Robert Kuhn- The mediator. I think he has a balanced approach, while not letting any of the panelists get away with unsubstantiated nonsense.

Barry Beyerstein- Was not familiar with this one. "Straight arrow" reductive materialist... doesn't really have much to say, and doesn't really engage the ideas being thrown around by the others.     

John Searle- Big name mind-body philosopher; we read his books in school. He is an important figure, since his views are well-defined and thus easy to engage, and he makes up the majority opinion. I think that although he claims distance from reductive materialism, since he accepts that consciousness is a first-person, non-material phenomenon, he is best thought of as a reductive materialist by another name, since he still feels that neuroscience will reveal how matter can cause awareness. I tend to disagree with his main views, since he entirely ignores (and pig-headedly in my opinion) an idea called the Hard Problem of consciousness, which in a nutshell is the idea that it remains to be seen how a material substance like the brain can be causally responsible for the existence of our non-material first-person awareness; there is no logical explanation materialists have given so far as to how this should be possible, and until this is addressed, materialism must be an incomplete picture (most of us here would say incomplete because it does not address the full nature of reality).             

David Chalmers- Another big name mind-body philosopher. The philosophical creator of the "Hard problem of consciousness
mentioned above, and other ideas regarding the specturm of awareness, and it's scientific consequences. I tend to like Chalmer's ideas alot, since while he acknowledges anecdotal and research evidence suggesting properties of consciousness not possible under materialism, he attempts to refute reductive materialism at the most fundamental level, trying to show that, as his hard problem states, no causal link has been demonstrated between material states and first-person experiences, merely correlations between brain states and experiences. Chalmers feels this trend in knowledge of consciousness only as a correlation will continue, and he believes that in order to avoid this problem, your worldview must on some level incorportate conscioussness as a primary feature of reality, be it a fundamental feautre of matter (panpsychism), or as a fundamental substance of the universe (dualism or immaterialist monism). This is necessary since he believes he has demonstrated that it cannot directly be reduced to material states, and I tend to agree.
                                 

Marilyn Schlitz  - She is an anthropologist, and probably the one on the panel who best approximates most visitors of this site. She integrates the anecdotal evidence of altered and new states of conscioussness, and reasons about what the consequences for accepting this data as factual must be for the scientific community. She get's into a little discussion with Searle about this, and in conjunction with the mediator, flatly shows him somewhat thick in my opinion, as well as exposing the fundamental lack of will of most modern materialists to engage all relevant data today.   

             
Alan Wolf - Theoretical physicist. His ideas about metaphysics are somewhat airy-fairy, since he does not go about giving explanations for what he thinks, but I think he still have important things to say about the possible construction of the universe.
1162  Metaphysics / Welcome to Metaphysics! / Re: Uncle Chuckie's E-Books Are Now Free on: October 04, 2010, 16:56:54
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lot of it is building goofy looking helmets that plug into cardboard boxes with tin foil wrapped around them and pieces of paper with like visual illusion things taped to it.


lol... um... pass on this one  undecided

I prefer to read Cousin Trevor. He goes off on these arcane tangents about things you can do with a boxing glove, sand-paper, and enough open land, but once you get past that, you can learn a lot about becoming a qi warrior and countering secret attacks by government qi soldiers.
1163  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: What does your Nickname mean? on: October 02, 2010, 05:09:19
I once lived on a street named "Stillwater", and the name had a very stoic sound to it.
1164  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Consciousness! / Re: For OMCASEY, Buddishm, life, suffering on: October 01, 2010, 15:26:22
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stillwater, you could describe mindfulness as a quality of your mind during meditative practice.  it has been a topic of increasing research since the late 80's early 90's.  mindfulness is defined usually as a purposeful focusing of one's attention on the present moment without discrimination.  so meditation is a practice that utilizes mindfulness in a specific way.  that's how i was first introduced to the notion of meditation, which is the only reason i brought it up.

That is interesting. I knew there was a period 70's and later where meditation received a lot of research attention, but I wasn't aware it was part of a larger subheading of research projects; the idea of mindfulness does seem now more like just another name for meditative mindset, so I suppose the two ideas are near synonomous.

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so why do i need buddhism to learn that?

i'm really not knocking buddhism, i'm just saying that i learned many of the principles of buddhism through much different avenues.  so if these principles are seemingly universal (which they appear to be in a lot of ways), why do i need to limit myself by claiming to be a buddhist?  and i know what you're gonna say "buddhism is about not limiting oneself", etc., which in principle i don't disagree with.  my point is just that one you go further and further into defining your experience you limit it.  take note of my signature. 


Like I was getting at before, I think it is less a question of needing Buddhism, and more a quesiton of Buddhism just being one of the major vehicles (no-pun intended) through which these ideas have been passed to society and propogated. If it wasn't Buddhism, it would have been Upanishadic meditative yogas, but the ideas would have propogated somehow. It is not so much to me that we needed Buddhism to have these ideas, but rather just that we owe a debt to the tradition for having been one of the major modes of their transmission.

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in the end, reality is a subjective experience, and if there really was a siddhartha gautama then his teachings apply to him.  they can be an inspiration, a starting point, an outline, etc., but the way of the buddha (and i know we're all the buddha, the buddha nature lives in all of us) will only be relevant to the buddha.  you have to use his example to jump start your journey, which you must complete on your own, and clinging to a definition of oneself as "a buddhist" isn't doing that.

Archaeologists are pretty sure there was a Sakyamuni, and obviously his life did not happen exactly like the Brahmapada or any of the other accounts describe, as theses are dramatizations. It is probable he never even left his family in his endeavors. The truth of the matter lies somewhere between a mundane existence and the legends that have been passed. Anyone's guess where.

And I agree about avoiding calling yourself anything. I guess I also get iconoclastic with labels, since if you use one word or another, it sets off a chain reaction of expectations and judgements based on what that word implies to the person in question. It is better in my opinion to say that you have interest in one tradition or another, but that your beliefs or understandings are your own.
1165  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Consciousness! / Re: For OMCASEY, Buddishm, life, suffering on: September 30, 2010, 19:29:03
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(though I honestly first learned about 'meditation' as mindfulness in psychology)

I am not really sure what you mean by this. What meditative practice is there in psychology that is not actually meditation? I know some James and some others had a practice of introspective relation, but this is different from the typical idea of meditation, and seems like it would better be called metacognition.
1166  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: My Curtains Are Straight!! on: September 30, 2010, 13:16:43
The funny thing is, when I lived in Rome, there were no roman blinds, lol   cheesy

Pretty much everyone has a sort of double-shuttered system, where there is a an outer louvred wheather shutter, and a flat inner one. I found it was a good system, since you can let in light, and let in air, in combination or separately.
1167  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Consciousness! / Re: For OMCASEY, Buddishm, life, suffering on: September 30, 2010, 13:07:08
It doesn't need to be called Buddhism. But it also doesn't not need to be called Buddhism.  wink

I guess you can look at it this way:

If it is an idea that has a name, and can be propogated through writings and traditions, it allows more people to become aware of it. You do practice meditative silence... but would you have thought of it on your own? You read about meditative traditions, and people who had made it a lifestyle. And the reason why these texts and articles were availible is because traditions and ways of thought have been established which propogate them. Do you really think you would have thought of doing this if you had never read about meditation, had never encountered another person who practiced or knew about the concept, and had no suspicion it existed as a technique? I mean, maybe you would have sat around doing nothing from time to time, but you probably never would have thought of actively seeking to sit and do nothing, and to actively not think of anything in the meantime.
1168  Metaphysics / Welcome to Metaphysics! / Re: Pendulum Rock Type on: September 27, 2010, 00:28:53

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False... I mean true. No, false, really false.
1169  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: Haunted Hoax: TAPS on: September 27, 2010, 00:26:32
Well, I am sure the people themselves do, but in the interest of making a television show, they throw in anything and overdramatize the slightest non-occurance.

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*A noise is heard as a crew member walks in the other room*

"What was that!  A SPOOKY GHOST! SHOW YOURSELF SPOOKY GHOST!"

Ten minutes later in the show, the incident is shown in slow motion, in infrared, as definitive evidence of poltergeist activity.
1170  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: Haunted Hoax: TAPS on: September 26, 2010, 22:03:52


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In the Uk they have a better ghost hunter show, where girls in their underwear investigate hunted houses.


The hunters investigate hunted houses, eh? Like the witch Baba Yaga's house?


1171  Dreams / Welcome to Dreams! / Re: dreams that really hurt? on: September 26, 2010, 21:59:25
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My apologies, I don't want to sound like I'm bashing Mr Bruce.  :/

But, I just disagree with some things he teaches...


This is my position as well. He has done great things for the subject and those practicing. He is also a major theoritician though, and I think it is reasonable to say there are things that make sense in his reasoning, and other things which seem to need more grounding than he provides, such as his ideas about energy bodies and their structure. One can safely respect what Bruce has done for the community while not accepting all he theorizes.
1172  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: Anyone know anything about the Mantis looking aliens? on: September 26, 2010, 20:25:42
Lol... If I picked up the phone and heard an insectoid voice answer it, I don't know what I would do. It would petrify me. I wouldn't even consider someone was playing a joke, just skip to raw terror, lol. For some reason the idea of unknown non-human voices speaking over the phone is one of the scariest things I can think of. I remember I saw a movie in the 90's called the "Mothman Prophecies" where a demented alien sounding voice that spoke very slowly called the protagonist; it is probably the single most terrifying thing I can recall having seen in any movie.

And yeah, I have read random stories about the mantis race in the past. Some of the stories say that they are a sort of guardian race, serving as peace  keepers. Others describe them as having their own agenda. Who really knows? That is, provided they even exist as such.
1173  Dreams / Welcome to Dreams! / Re: dreams that really hurt? on: September 26, 2010, 20:13:55
Well... maybe you are, and maybe your aren't. You can't really say with certainty there aren't psychic baddies "nibbling your aura". I am can confidently say there is probably no one here, including Bruce, that can definitively declare that there either are or aren't negative entities that feed on people's energies.

But yes, why get yourself worked up about something you can never really know for sure? Even if you should see one you could never be sure it wasn't a mental construct.
1174  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: Come to IRC Chat! on: September 26, 2010, 18:46:43
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I'd like to encourage everyone, including the "Guests" who lurk on the forums, to join the Astral Pulse chat!
C'mon guys!  Drop in and say hi!  


At most moments I check, there are 3-6 members online, and 30-60 or so guests. That means 90% of the forum's attendees are in the shadows. They are AP's personal form of dark matter.

AND I KNOW YOU ARE READING THIS, DARK MATTER.
1175  Dreams / Welcome to Dreams! / Re: dreams that really hurt? on: September 26, 2010, 18:40:48
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it could be a parasite using you as a human shield 


Robert Bruce has a few books you can buy for pyschic defense against entities using you as a means of psychic defense... unless of course the entities have psychic defense against you using psychic defense as a means to prevent them from using you as a means of psychic defense.

Then you would need another order of psyhic defense, and Lewis Carrol to sort out the details for you.
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