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1151  2012 and The Transition of the Ages / Welcome to 2012 and The Transition of the Ages / Re: Planet X on: June 07, 2011, 20:02:14
What you mention is aparently a real story, Shockstuhh, that was common among the Mesoamericans. I think the pole-shift part though may have been combining ideas Zecheria Stichin came up with based on his interpretations (many now take serious academic fault with them) of Sumerian myth and cunieform writing; it sounds a bit like a compound effort of uniting several eschatologies together. But thanks for the story, I was not aware of that one!

Elements of the 13 crystal skulls legend

The basic elements of the 13 crystal skulls legend is that at a pivotal time in humanity's history, the 13 crystal skulls will be reunited to awaken a new era - transforming from an old paradigm into a new world.

Patricio Dominguez - Pueblo Spiritual Advisor: "The crystal skulls are complete depositories of knowledge and each skull contains a particular specialist area of information - like a living library [each skull is like one volume in a set of encyclopedias]. And the people who will in the future be able to 'read' the crystal skulls will only be able to extract all the knowledge from the skulls once they are all assembled together... Of course, the knowledge that is going to come out from the skulls is quite unimaginable to our current minds. But that it is definitely going to come out at a certain time is already foregone. It has been prophesied. But whether we humans then use that knowledge for good or for our own destruction is really down to our preparations."

Many believe that there is a strong connection between the crystals skulls, the Mayans and the Mayan Calendar ending in December 2012. While there is a current belief that more than 13 ancient crystal skull exist (some say 52, or 4 sets of 13), in recent years, the Mayans have spearheaded a grand reunion of North America's indigenous chiefs in an effort to unite forces towards the commonly foreseen future as recounted by the Mayan elders.

According to Mayan Priest/Shaman, Don Alejandro Cirilo Oxlaj Peres: "... The prophecy says now is the time of the awakening. This is your job now, to awaken. The Vale of the Nine Hells is past and the Time of Warning has now arrived. It is time to prepare for the Age of the Thirteen Heavens. The time of 12 Baktun and 13 Ahau is fast approaching, and they shall be here among you to defend Mother Earth. The prophecy says, 'Let the dawn come. Let all the people and all the creatures have peace, let all things live happily', for the love must not only be between humans, but between all living things. They said, 'We are the children of the sun, we are the children of time and we are the travelers in space. May all the songs awaken, may all the dancers awaken. May all the people and all things live in peace for you are the valleys, you are the mountains, you are the trees, you are the very air you breathe'....Now is the time of return of the grandmothers and grandfathers. Now is the time of the return of the elders. Now is the time of the return of the wise ones. And the wise ones are all of you. Now is the time to go out into the world and spread the light. The sacred flame has been kept for this purpose and now the time approaches when you will be required to love all things, to love a world that has gone crazy, to rebalance the heavens and the Earth. For the Time of Warning has come to pass and the Warriors of the Rainbow are now beginning to be born. The Vale of Tears, the Nine Hells, is over and it is time to prepare for the 13 Heavens. The ancestors are returning, my brothers and sisters, and we do not have long. Now is the time that the prophecies will be fulfilled."
1152  2012 and The Transition of the Ages / Welcome to 2012 and The Transition of the Ages / Re: Planet X on: June 07, 2011, 09:08:02
isn't there something about mayan predictions in relation to tilts of the earths axis?
I don't recall anythng like that given to us by the Mayans. Could you tell us where you found this information?
1153  Astral Chat / Welcome to News and Media! / Record companies suing Limewire for $75,000,000,000,000.00 on: June 04, 2011, 06:40:24
You read the title correctly. The RIAA is supporting 13 record companies in their attempt to sue Limewire, a peer-to-peer file distribution service, for 75 trillion dollars. That is about 1.5 times the value of the entire world's GDP over an entire year. Some say that is more money than even exists in the entire world. This sum was arrived at by multiplying the $150 maximum infringment penalty for an individual download times the total number of instances a song was downloaded across all time on limewire.

While the record companies may have a claim of some kind, I think this is great evidence that production companies are out of touch with reality, and that the RIAA has proven itself to be an absurd organization. I think this is also evidence that copyright law needs to be revised to reflect the real-world situation today. We have laws on the book that related to theft and reproduction of printed media in the 19th century now protecting copyright of digital media that can be copied as data with physical copy anywhere in the loop; the laws don't reflect reality or equity anymore, and they don't apply in the same way to contemporary issues. The way music is transmitted and experienced in our culture is not analogous to previous forms of media, and we clearly need to envision modern methods of ensuring that the creators and distributers are justly compensated, while taking note of the part music and digital copies play in our culture.
1154  Integral Philosophy / Welcome to Integral Philosophy! / Re: What is Illusion? on: June 03, 2011, 07:57:17

You should read The Sound and the Fury by William Faulkner, if you haven't, WillIam. It is one of the greatest pieces of understanding ever published in English, and it is a devil to follow and comprehend. It is written from a few different perspectives, all of whom have a different mental disturbance that colors their perceptions. It does not follow a direct chronology, but jumps around from time to time, and from different people's perspectives at random, sometimes after a few words, and this compounded with the fact that most of it is near-imcomprehenisble to start makes it a joy to read. It is read in much the same way that life and existence is experienced- as a stream of connected perceptions and reflections. Faulkner mentioned that he also intended to print every word in a different color.

I mention this because you have been channeling Faulker lately  cheesy
1155  World Cultures, Traditions and Religions / Welcome to World Cultures, Traditions and Religions! / Re: Jesus turned water into wine... so who drank it? on: June 02, 2011, 18:56:47
Anyone know any more about this..?

The story is usually called by another name too, the "Marriage at Cana". Clearly anything anyone could know about it is in the gospel verses that describe it:

John 2: 1-11

1 On the third day a wedding took place at Cana in Galilee. Jesus’ mother was there, 2 and Jesus and his disciples had also been invited to the wedding. 3 When the wine was gone, Jesus’ mother said to him, “They have no more wine.”
   4 “Woman, why do you involve me?” Jesus replied. “My hour has not yet come.”

 5 His mother said to the servants, “Do whatever he tells you.”

 6 Nearby stood six stone water jars, the kind used by the Jews for ceremonial washing, each holding from twenty to thirty gallons.

 7 Jesus said to the servants, “Fill the jars with water”; so they filled them to the brim.

 8 Then he told them, “Now draw some out and take it to the master of the banquet.”

   They did so, 9 and the master of the banquet tasted the water that had been turned into wine. He did not realize where it had come from, though the servants who had drawn the water knew. Then he called the bridegroom aside 10 and said, “Everyone brings out the choice wine first and then the cheaper wine after the guests have had too much to drink; but you have saved the best till now.”

 11 What Jesus did here in Cana of Galilee was the first of the signs through which he revealed his glory; and his disciples believed in him.

I don't know that this story is ever mentioned again any other place in Bible. Like many gospel stroies, I think it only occurs in one of the 4 gospels, in this case John.
1156  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: I like drop rides! on: June 02, 2011, 07:48:13
Riding barrels over waterfalls is for old ladies.

Real men wrestle lions at the zoo, ride their cars through the crusher at the junkyard, and say "No" to inner city police.
1157  The Astral Library / Welcome to Writers Corner! / Re: Write an Enlightening Verse on: June 02, 2011, 07:00:07
I am indeed! cool

Thanks for your further input! wink

STOOKIE is Astral Pulse's first BUDDHA!!!

I hereby bestow the robe of ENLIGHTENMENT upon you. I picked your verse because it is honest and simple, as the enlightened mind is. Consider yourself the first Astral Pulse Buddha (APB). You have shown me deep wisdom and made me understand the true nature of reality.

I must say, it was a toss between Stookie and SomeRandom. grin

Being the Wrathful Deity from the Book of the Dead suits Stookie well... what, with his savagely flagrant intimidation of other members and his uncontrollable outbursts of raw rage  wink....
1158  2012 and The Transition of the Ages / Welcome to 2012 and The Transition of the Ages / Re: Planet X on: May 31, 2011, 14:52:12
What do you mean when you say the Mayans knew about Planet X? Most of the theories I have heard link it rather to the Sumerians.
1159  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Projection Experiences! / Re: Can Your body be taken while OBE? on: May 31, 2011, 05:08:22
While no one can say for sure, for obvious reasons (and you should not believe anyone that says they "know" it can't happen), it does not seem to occur from what I have seen, and the reports I have read over the years. I have of course read numerous accounts of people believing they have had a spirit attach to them, but I don't recall any instance where the attachment started from a projection experience.

So while it is within the realm of the possible, it does not seem something you should spend time worrying about, much like it is technically possible that something may fall out of a window and kill you while walking the street, but it is so improbable as to not warrant much thought  wink
1160  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: Are we in a Death Trap? on: May 28, 2011, 20:57:50
This sounds like a variation of your "earth is hell" thesis with a new name...
1161  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: Home - Amazing video on: May 28, 2011, 18:32:08
But peak oil is about rate of supply, not amount available. There  is indeed alot of oil present in the tar sands, but the energy returned vs energy invested is significantly lower than in Mid-East drilling. And it is also a matter of the rate at which we can extract it; we would need to spend hundreds of billions to produce the infrastructure needed to extract that oil at a rate competitive to pure crude streaming out of the ground from wells. And it takes massive amounts of water to harvest that oil, and the water supply and infrastructure to transport it greatly inflates the price as well. If we can't acheive the same rate of supply, even if the oil is there, peak oil will occur.

Offshore oil is not completely accounted for, but that is a matter of rate of discovery vs volume of exploration. We are searching at several times the rate we did decades before, and our rate of discovery is still dwindling, and yielding smaller and smaller fields on average. We will continue to find new fields for decades, but the rate new known accessible oil is added to the world total is not increasing fast enough to offset supply drops from older depleted fields.
1162  2012 and The Transition of the Ages / Welcome to 2012 and The Transition of the Ages / Re: Whats Happening Towards 2012 our New World on: May 28, 2011, 13:53:54
So you propose as a solution to world starvation... direct energy absorption?

Definitely not impossible, but a little out there. There are far simpler alternatives... most of the food produced in the world goes into fuel and chemical production, and to feeding livestock. If even a fraction of this food were made availible at a cheap price, we could feed the whole world with great surplus.

So it is not a question of not having a solution, so much as people not being interested in pursuing the solution.  undecided
1163  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: Home - Amazing video on: May 28, 2011, 13:48:26
Are you saying you doubt "Hubert's Peak" is true about oil supply? It is arguable when it will happen, but that it will happen is a fact of economics. Some even go so far as to say we have already passed the supply peak, and are in downward mean yearly progress now. That is hard to guage except in retrospect though.
1164  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: Home - Amazing video on: May 28, 2011, 00:13:49
I would not say hoax per se; there is no definitive argument to date that the global-warming aspect of our eco-troubles is necessarily caused by humans, since we don't have another control earth to isolate what we cause and what we don't, and our records don't go back long enough to know what sort of fluctuations are commonplace on a fine scale; that accounted for, it is also folly to assume that we are not the cause of global warming, since it is a big gamble if it is indeed human caused and we assumed innocence. The only rational course is to assume that it is strongly possible we are the culprits and adjust our behavior accordingly. If we turn out to be wrong, and global warming is completely natural, we played it safe; if we are right, and global warming is due to artificial greenhouse effects, then we did something about it.

Look at it this way. Say you work in a hospital, and are in charge of equipment acquisitions, and someone tells you the defibulators are all defective, and there is a general recall. You call up the manufacturer, and someone there says there was a mistake, and that it was not your brand that is being recalled. Would you leave it at that, or would you investigate further, and test all of the equipment in the hospital, assuming that if there did end up being merit to the original claim they were defective, that the consequences might be severe?

Global warming is also not the only thing that will have, and is currently having massive world-wide impact. Even if global warming turns out to be completely natural, there are tons of other things we are doing that we will pay the price for in very little time.
1165  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: Home - Amazing video on: May 27, 2011, 18:57:45
I can understand how you would be confused by what I said, since I said two things at once that seem to contradict if you don't understand the balancing mechanic I am implying between them.

I think the film is spot on, and deadly accurate.  I am poking fun at earlier naive notions that pollution would be able to get much further out of control without swiftly destroying our civilization, and much sooner than anyone anticipated. Clearly we will not be able to pollute to that degree, since our pollution is about to have much more dramatic consequences than we first thought- so by that I mean there will be no cities full of people with oxygen masks, since the people populating those cities who would have caused such pollution will have starved or been forced to move away much in advance of that situation being able to arise. So pollution will not be able to get much more out of control, by the technicality that we will have destroyed ourselves in very little time through what we have done already.

The second part of my response dealt with the observation that we are fortunate that our rate of oil supply is dwindling, and is going to externally force us to take positive measures by necessity that we would not have taken merely to prevent the collapse of our civilization later this century.

So I think the film has the correct perspective- I am just bringing in other observations that in one case support its premise, and in the other case state that fate has in one slight sense prevented us from doing even more harm by taking away the oil facilitating it.
1166  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: Home - Amazing video on: May 27, 2011, 15:21:42
The funny thing about futurist predictions is that every age that makes them will just take the current trends of their time, and magnify them 20-fold and say, "that will be the future." I remember in the 80's as a kid we would watch after-school specials, where they featured a view of the future where the world was overcome by pollution, and people in the cities would carry oxygen tanks and gas suits everywhere, as though we would have the opportunity to pollute that long and to that extent. Fortunately for us, we will all die of homelessness and hunger well in advance of that, as we alter the cyclical eco-mechanisms that supply us with the water and the climate conditions for food production and living.

Many people look at it as a great misfortune that "Hubert's peak" is approaching (the time when oil supply will peak for all time, and oil will quickly become too expensive as demand far outstrips the dwindling supply rate), as though they want the oil-era to continue indefinitely. In truth, I think that we are extrememly fortunate, as we probably would not have taken the steps to save our civilization until the very moment we were forced to; we are blessed that some external factor is forcing us to make the change that is direly necessary to mitigate forces which will largely destroy everything we have made in just a couple decades, as we would not have had the foresight to see 20 years into the future and make the changes on our own.
1167  2012 and The Transition of the Ages / Welcome to 2012 and The Transition of the Ages / Re: Whats Happening Towards 2012 our New World on: May 25, 2011, 03:44:28
By the way, love your avatar, dear.

Thanks, Gp.

I have always been fond of Krishna, having come to metaphysics first through Hindu and Upanishadic-yogic traditions.

I think that if God exists as such, the image of the ambiguous flute-playing youth making merry in the forest, meditating on the song of life and seducing young women to join him is the most accurate depiction of the playful and everloving spirit of the world I could ever imagine.

I think God likes to have a good time.

(And I now have 1000 posts  cool )
1168  2012 and The Transition of the Ages / Welcome to 2012 and The Transition of the Ages / Re: Whats Happening Towards 2012 our New World on: May 24, 2011, 20:36:05
Ether2's post is exactly in line with the charter for this group:
Welcome to 2012 and The Transition of the Ages
Discussions about everything related to the predicted 2012 and Transition of the Ages including the Mayan  Calendar, Earth changes and general associated events and phenomena such as Crop Circles, and other empirical evidence of 2012 related factors including Out of Body Experiences, Astral experiences and Dreams as we move closer to this eschaton
Quite an esoteric charter don't you think?
Therefore, I find Ether2's post is exactly on topic.
Actually it is heart warming to read somebody posting about positive changes in the world. I have a theory, that if we all think and act positively enough, we can create the most beautiful positive energy, creating positive effects in the world around us. I know I am not alone in this theory.
Ether2, can I ask you a question: How many people have asked you, "So how can I get involved with what you are doing? It sounds fantastic!" - Well, let me ask you publicly. I would be honored to work with you personally.

You are a being of Majesty, Light, Love and Honor.

Fair enough, in a quixotic, but still endearing way  wink
1169  2012 and The Transition of the Ages / Welcome to 2012 and The Transition of the Ages / Re: Whats Happening Towards 2012 our New World on: May 24, 2011, 17:49:44


And he doesn't learn. He comes back with yet a third prediction for the rapture, this one a few months away again. Or maybe it is the people who listen to guys like this and take it on faith who need to learn.
1170  Dreams / Welcome to Dreams! / Extremely vivid dream recalled, structured around external stimuli on: May 24, 2011, 17:39:10

I tend to have pretty sophisticted dream recall for the most part, but I was actually able to recall about 2 hours or so of somewhat humorous dream narrative I had in late stage REM last night.

The first cohesive part I can recall surrounded the concept that I had discovered a mouse in my home. The home I was living in does not resemble any house I have ever stayed at, but I recognized it as my own in the dream. The plan I hatched in-dream with to put a baseball mit on, and use that to hold the mouse so it could not bite me as I took it outside; for some reason, I had extreme difficulty putting the mit on, as I kept mis-picturing the structure of my hand, and mis-aligning the glove itself, such that I could never figure out which orientation to put the mit on, and my thumb seemed to keep changing position on my hand, as my mental image of my hand changed to reflect the difficulty I had in putting on the mit. After literally minutes of trying, I resigned to putting on the mit backwards, and I quickly scooped up the mouse and carried it outside. It bit me on the wrist anyhow as I was putting it down, leaving an outline of teeth that were more akin to a general herbivore's mouth, than a mouse with long incissors. After this, I faded out until the next REM stage.

The next portion of the dream, I am in the same house (which I called my own), and which was then revealed to be quite extensive in the number and size of rooms. Shortly after this sequence began, finding me in my bedroom, a large group of German people came and literally appropriated my home in a militant fashion. They were not dressed as soldiers, and did not seem to have a military command structure, but they were rather dressed in upper-class formal attire. Although they did not seem to be military, I somehow knew they were well-armed, and they seemed to comprise some sort of para-military group. They seemed to lose sight of me at some point, and I began to covertly wander the home, looking for a way to escape. I saw some maids they brought with them cleaning up the home, polishing everything to near-mirror finish, and bringing in aristocratic-looking furniture, as though they were rendering the home suitable as the base of operations for a high-ranking group of people. I attempeted to remain unnoticed as the menials wnet about improving our former home, and I htink I slipped out when the German para-militants came under fire from another group.

The third sequence was about traveling through a ruined city. I was in possession of some sort of device which was capable of altering the laws of reality, and of completely changing history by some parallel means. I was walking around the desserted ruins, intermittently using this device, and watching the results as reality changed to reflect whatever alterations I made. At some points, a river sprang up where once there wasn't one, the laws of mathematics were altered, to curious results, and the structure of the buildings changed drastically, as the history of the civilizations living there changed.

The fourth and final sequence seemed to blend out of the third one, and revolved around the trip an indigenous-looking bronze-skinned woman was making with her two small children up a winding river; I watched the action from a third-person perspective, as her journey progressed. The funny part about this last sequence was that I woke up in the midst of it, and walked to the living room to find that a family member had left the television on all night to the Discovery Channel or something; the program that was on was about the New Guinea natives who first took a boat-trip with the intention of colonizing Australia thousands of years pre-history. I found it humourous how the dream seemed to be structured around hearing this program in the other room, and wondered if that was also true of the earlier dreams in some way.

This effect also reminds me of when I have fallen asleep with the radio or some music playing, and my dreams have these transcendent soundtracks to them, where I am partially hearing the music in waking life, and my mind makes improvements and modfications to it, and fits it to the situation.
1171  2012 and The Transition of the Ages / Welcome to 2012 and The Transition of the Ages / Re: Whats Happening Towards 2012 our New World on: May 24, 2011, 15:27:46
Haha, partially so maybe, but I think it depends on which sections you read too. I feel like tha same volume of projection-related discussion goes on in earnest, but there are now new sections which get alot of fringe material now too (the 2012 secion is somewhat new, for example).
1172  Astral Chat / Welcome to News and Media! / National Geographic running special about world responses to alien attack on: May 22, 2011, 17:57:45
I thought this was sort of a curious show, featured by National Geographic. It might be interesting, I will see if there is someplace online I can see it later.

The information about overview, episodes and some video footage here:

It is interesting... perhaps a response to all of the fictional media depicting aliens attacking major cities on a world-scale.

I can't help but think of something Wernher Von Braun (a father of rocketry)  is often quoted with, saying that in the coming years those with a deep-seated agenda for militarization of the world and its reasources would, after they had exhausted talking about more local threats of world nuclear opponents, use the suggested threat of potential alien invasions to persuade the public into giving them the backing they need to carry out their militant wishes. I can't help but see a fraction of truth to this view, considering statements like this are attached to the show's overview:

"Small nuclear missiles like the W-54 warhead might be humanities best shot at fighting an extra-terrestrial ground invasion force."

There are some people who address the "Fermi Paradox" (If intelligent life is so mathematically likely to be common, why don't we see evidence of it?) by saying that perhaps there is a good self-preservation motivated reason for alien civiliations not to seek contact, and maybe alien civilizations even surmise that if they themselves have never been contacted, that their peers must also have good reasons not to seek contact. If this is so, perhaps there is indeed great danger in possible contacts; there is no way to know for certain, however.

It is quite unclear to me what potential motivations an alien civilization might have in seeking contact of some kind or another, and they may make contact for either violent and aggressive reasons, or more altruistic ones, but it does seem to me the one is depicted far more readily than the other...
1173  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: CDC Warns Americans to Prepare for Zombie Apocalypse on: May 22, 2011, 11:24:45
Tickleberries. That is a superior name. You win the namegame.

I think the CDC is joking around, getting people to consider their disaster-preparadness strategies in a more general sense.

But who knows... maybe they are engineering the Umbrella T-Virus or whatever, and are preparing to carry out the next step of their illuminati overlords' "final solution"  wink
1174  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: may 21 6 pm the worlds is going to end on: May 22, 2011, 11:19:22
No wonder there are so many predictions about the world ending, I wish it would too. The difference with me is I am taking responsibility for it in a peaceful way. What are you doing?

I have heard this statement quite a few times here over the years: "I wish the world would end." In my opinion, this statement reflects much about both the world and the individual at the same time.

I don't blame you for thinking this way, but I do suggest maybe it would be useful for reflecting on why you think this; for instance, is there is some psychological need you have that can only be fulfilled by destruction, or moving on to a non-phsyical life? Are you disgusted with what you see happening around you, and wish it would all go away? Do you think that perhaps what would emerge out the disasters would be a new, better and more just world, or one of transcendce? Maybe it would and maybe it would not, but maybe the problem is also one of perspective. I am definitely not saying you have to just accept wrongs and inequities in the world, but perhaps it is a matter of getting past them, and making your life about what you want it to be? I think ultimately wanting the world to end is about wanting something the world is not providing you with, so maybe you can skip the tribulations step and get on to changing your perspective in the present, or seeking meaning on your own.  wink

A just person wants paradise, but some would say paradise is how you think and feel when you are there, not where you are!
1175  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: may 21 6 pm the worlds is going to end on: May 22, 2011, 01:05:09
Donald Trump

This guy is indeed a loony toon; our society is perverse for thinking that loony toons that also happen to come with money or celebrity should be given the public eye or that their opinions should be entertained, yet the media hangs on this fiend's every word. He has used the power given to him by his father to conive and defraud the public, often out of millions of dollars. It is convenient that someone with 10's of billions of dollars can back out of his housing development contracts, but that the people who actually purchased homes in those developments are out sometimes hundreds of thousands a piece. I can just see it now... GOP ticket 2012: Trump-Palin; that is the apocalyptic event I have in mind.
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