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151  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: I met The KING on: March 08, 2015, 21:10:18

but today i met The King

HE is the king
The King is god
there is one god
God is King

he is amazing
HE is the KING

Also guys he is not god
He is the king!

152  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: Is it ever ethical for one to commit suicide? on: March 07, 2015, 11:47:42
The thing with this is that, there's always someone stronger to oppose theses kinds of things. Population being one of those.
If somehow, there was a mind changing technology that would make people go bad, things would be noticed very quickly.

I would want it to be that way, but I think the reality is that there are profound man-made evils in the world that people accept, or at least do very little to prevent.

A very unpopular example (and this lack of popularity speaks to the strength of the above argument, I feel), is the presence of colossal-scale factory farming that provides in upwards of 90% of the animal products consumed in the industrial world. Billions of animals live short lives of torture in pitch-black cells just big enough for the volume of their bodies. And this has been continual for literal centuries. Sadly I think the presence of such a thing largely unchallenged disproves the idea that humans will reject evil outright.

What I think is closer to reality is that human actions are largely ruled by biological drives and desires.

If we don't first recognize that, we miss the important first step in understanding how to improve the quality of our thoughts and actions.

I don't think it would be so clear-cut and black and white in the beginning as changing the content's of peoples' minds in the way you suggest. That is significantly more difficult than merely browsing brain states, and probably un-needed. I think it would be something much closer to the role "insider information" plays in the stock market. If you can glean certain key facts, that alone provides a massive competitive advantage.

For instance:

Mr Smith walks into the shopping mall. He passes an array jointly owned by the outlets at that location. Mr Smith is a member of a preferred customer club, which grants very steep discounts, in exchange for permission to access his mental states (in order to "better serve" his needs). The array determines he is in a mildly irritated mind-state, but can determine little else. The system also recalls, from his filed banking information, which is linked to his personal profiles, that his wife has recently delivered their second child. The system tentatively decides it will first offer him a small number of updates on maternity and child-care related items, and see how this strategy works out. Mr Smith ignores 2 such adverts, and the system drops the strategy after 20 minutes. Mr Smith is in fact clothing shopping for gifts for a relative's child. But he isn't motivated to spend large amounts of money. At scanning hub two and three, the system catches a glimpse of something interesting: Whenever Mr. Smith is shopping for clothing, he is actually thinking of guitars. The system reasons that perhaps Mr. Smith is being extraordinarily frugal in his other purchases, because he is actually saving up to purchase a new instrument. The system also understands that such purchases have a lot to do with a person's self image. In the future, perhaps at a delay of one month, the system decides it will try a strategy of marketing all of Mr. Smith's required targeted ads by connecting unrelated products to musical culture, and specifically musical culture connected to Smith's chosen tastes reported from his satellite radio preferences. In the next three months, the system logs a 44% increase in impulse purchases which are suggested by this marketing approach with Mr. Smith.

I think the above example is pretty subtle. Mr. Smith gave them his permission (albeit in coercion to receive "discounts"). They used this information to do something seemingly innocuous. But the reality is that what really happened is that the system leveraged a competitive advantage to greatly increase its profit margin. Consider slightly less subtle examples, without permission, and for higher stakes. I think it is easy to see how merely knowing a person's personal thoughts, without the need to alter them as you suggest above, is more than enough to produce a favorable outcome to the reading party. I think you might be able to imagine such examples without me needing to illustrate those.
153  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: I met The KING on: March 06, 2015, 17:39:17
Fixed the image link for ya Volg- it was one of those that don't allow cross-linking. This topic continues to get better.
154  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: I met The KING on: March 06, 2015, 16:37:30
I am enjoying this little topic so far.

I would have to side with Plasma, in stating that this near-Haiku-length verse probably deserves a bit more context in order to be a meaningful form of communication here (and I don't expect we are going to get any more, that is just how these things go).

But I do have to say I appreciate the oceanic gulf between the two above responses and perspectives.
155  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: Is it ever ethical for one to commit suicide? on: March 05, 2015, 05:07:49
Indeed. Very hard to know for sure, and where biology and especially consciousness studies are concerned, there is very much left to know which could complicate the road.
156  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: Is it ever ethical for one to commit suicide? on: March 05, 2015, 03:49:04
Looks like a still very crude technology to me stillwater. I have seen the shows that explain how it works and we still have quite a ways to go.

Yes and no. The most important step of all, that it is possible to do it, has already been clearly demonstrated. These technologies tend to go on exponential growth curves corrollated to computing power.

Here is a famous excerpt that details how something on an exponential curve can more or less go undetected for the majority of its life, and grow mostrously in its final moments:


"Itís 1pm. Imagine a normal sized football stadium. In this stadium you are sitting on the seat at the very top of the stadium, with the best overview of the whole stadium.

To make things more interesting, imagine the stadium is completely water-tight.

The question is, if a drop of water is added to the stadium and then one minute later it doubles in size to two drops, and then one minute after that it doubles again to 4 drops, and so on.. doubling in size every minute, how much time do you have to leave your seat and get out of the stadium before the water reaches your seat at the very top?

Think about it for a moment. Is it hours, days, weeks, months?

The first drop of water lands right in the middle of the field, at 1pm.

You have exactly until 1:49pm. It takes less than 50 minutes to fill a whole football stadium with water! This is impressive!

But it gets better:
At what time do you think the football stadium is still 93% empty? Take a guess.

The answer: At 1:45pm. So, you sit and watch the drop growing, and after 45 minutes all you see is the playing field covered with water. And then, within four more minutes, the water fills the whole stadium.

This means that you think you are safe because it seems that you have plenty of time left, whereas due to the exponential growth you really have to take immediate action if you want to have any chance of getting out of this situation.


Now we know this is the sort of path that biotech has taken in the past as well. The human genome project is a perfect example.

A decade long effort, and it looked like it would take 500 years. Then 85% percent of it gets done in a single year. Now it is trivial to do it again, and would probably take under a day.

By the time things like this are surfacing in the public eye, they are often very late in their exponential growth curve. Perhaps like the genome project, they can seem like insurmountable goals, that suddenly become trivial in the space of a year.
157  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: Is it ever ethical for one to commit suicide? on: March 04, 2015, 16:48:13
I've had an MRI, but it's yet to be developed enough for mind reading, so far it's only brain waves and unless they do mind reading test as to know what each of these waves mean there will be a long way before that.

They have databases of literally tens of thousands of scans which matchup very closely with known thought forms, that they compare against the unknown subject scans.

They have been at this since the 90's; here is a reconstructed dream built with fMRI scans, made famous a few years ago:

"The procedure is as follows:

[1] Record brain activity while the subject watches several hours of movie trailers.
[2] Build dictionaries (i.e., regression models) that translate between the shapes, edges and motion in the movies and measured brain activity. A separate dictionary is constructed for each of several thousand points at which brain activity was measured.
(For experts: The real advance of this study was the construction of a movie-to-brain activity encoding model that accurately predicts brain activity evoked by arbitrary novel movies.)
[3] Record brain activity to a new set of movie trailers that will be used to test the quality of the dictionaries and reconstructions.
[4] Build a random library of ~18,000,000 seconds (5000 hours) of video downloaded at random from YouTube. (Note these videos have no overlap with the movies that subjects saw in the magnet). Put each of these clips through the dictionaries to generate predictions of brain activity. Select the 100 clips whose predicted activity is most similar to the observed brain activity. Average these clips together. This is the reconstruction.

158  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: Is it ever ethical for one to commit suicide? on: March 04, 2015, 02:46:02
A few things. One no doctor will be able to look at ones thoughts with such a technology unless the person lets them do it.

Sadly, I don't think the first ones to be doing that will be doctors, but rather government agencies and business owners (who want first hand knowledge of their clients' thought processes to better target them), and they are certainly not going to ask permission.

The current means to do that exists now, in the form of a scanning laser attached to a functional MRI; the laser itself can be well disguised, and look no more out of place than a camera in the environment. I wouldn't be surprised if they actually haven't already been implemented in a few select venues.

It amounts to taking a snapshot of a person's brain state, and comparing it to a library of known brain states, and figuring out what nouns and verbs they are thinking of, etc.

I hate to give people new things to worry about, but crude mind reading devices in covert applications are already real.
159  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: entities, please ignore the kick me sign on: March 03, 2015, 10:22:53
Will I get beaten up by demons if I astral project?

Only if you expect it, or mentally invite it through fear. Even then, it will be more a case of you interacting with a mental representation of your anxieties, as you might have imagined already.

Can I heal myself with astral projection?

Don't really need astral projection to do that.

I guess the question is similar to, "Can I read a book while riding a train?" Well... you can also read a book in a car, in a house, in a bathtub, etc. The train doesn't suddenly make reading possible, and similarly projections are not a pre-condition or a facilitator of healing.

There is nothing magical or particularly efficient about projections that facilitates healing any more than the pursuit of healing for its own sake.

Hope this helps!

Can I protect myself?

Oddly enough, you can probably best protect yourself by dropping the expectation of needing protection, if you reason in the above manner.
160  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: So, what's your age? on: March 03, 2015, 09:02:36
This should be fun.

28- I think that may make me the youngest of the mods possibly.
161  Metaphysics / Welcome to Metaphysics! / Re: Love as the fundamental energy on: March 01, 2015, 14:08:11


There is something very physiological in that sort of energy that people aren't prepared for (I think partially because they are made to feel ashamed of their bodies, and think of sensuality as an impure thing). Our bodies are truly wonderful tools for experiencing things on a profoundly immediate level.

Another aspect is that cultural outsiders are often thought of as the untermensch; people think of command of language as a sign of intelligence and cultivation; they see a person who barely speaks their native tongue, and reason from inference that this person is of low-social worth because they lack even language skills; they overlook that this person may be hyper-literate in their own culture.

It is sort of funny that he had a very Upanishadic Hindu perspective... I always wonder where people pick that stuff up, even in the age of the internet.

I remember when I visited some Hari Krishnas one day, and they made me a fantastic meal, and I tried to return the favor by doing some of their housework unasked; it clearly wasn't lost on them I quickly realized, being people who would know the Bhagavad Gita word for word, the symbolism of reciprocity like that, and I had one of those "Yeah, you get it" moments with them as a result, hehe.

A long time ago, in a galaxy that seems far away now, in my early twenties

Isn't it funny how our memories bring us back to what increasingly feel like story book moments about a fictional character, rather than our present self? Eventually the memories live on as pure symbols and abstractions.

The stuff we do at a younger age is probably more significant... as we get older, we sort of lose any excuse for acting out... we have read the book too many times not to get it by that point. You can tell with very young kids sometimes that they occasionally will perform virtuous acts without any coaching or indoctrination from their parents... this is an especially wonderful thing to witness when it actually happens.
162  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Pulse Island! / Re: why doeznt my dp show up?? on: February 28, 2015, 21:22:16
Oh, I actually meant the letters themselves, "D-P".

I have never heard of an avatar being referred to like that.

"Digital Persona", maybe?
163  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Pulse Island! / Re: why doeznt my dp show up?? on: February 28, 2015, 15:33:35
image was too big, and wasn't a square. I edited it down to 200x200, and reposted it for you  wink

What does DP stand for, anyhow?
164  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: How effective do you guys think magick and spells are? on: February 27, 2015, 20:38:04
I am in agreement with Xanth here. I think magic stuff is intent-based also.
165  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: Is it ever ethical for one to commit suicide? on: February 27, 2015, 04:21:33
A situation existed many years ago about the use of steroids for bodybuilding. They were put to a vote and the result was they're good for the moral, their use was unethical.

Hmm... instead of "moral" here, did you really mean "morale" (confidence ; enthusiasm ; spirit ) ?

And oddly, I think the reverse reading is more common- "morals" are community-oriented, and determined by subcultures and peer group-conventions, whereas "ethics" refer to something which can be weighed in the light of logic or reason, and aren't determined by convention or traditions, as morals are.

Normally I wouldn't make an issue of it, but we are trying to pin down the conventional meanings of the two words in this case, and I think we are getting even more confused, haha  rolleyes

I am a first class thread-derailer, apologies, Plasma!
166  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: Is it ever ethical for one to commit suicide? on: February 27, 2015, 01:11:48
s for is it "ethical" or "moral" to do it... those are meaningless labels just like "good" and "evil".

I disagree with this part. "Moral" is the more arbitrary of the two words, and deals with beliefs and societal conventions about what is right and wrong, and I am perfectly comfortable saying morals don't exist (maybe this is what you meant too).

"Ethics", on the other hands, is the concept that in some situations, there may be a right thing and a wrong thing to do, based on the benefit and harm to the parties involved. When people are judged on an ethical scale, such as in a courtroom situation, it is chiefly their intent, based on the knowledge they had available to them, that is meant to be the guide.

For this reason, I actually do think "ethics" is the word that most closely resembles the intent concept you use. I agree that words are a barrier to understanding at times, but they are also very useful, as some words have extremely well-agreed upon definitions, and can incite perfect understanding when used.
167  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: Is it ever ethical for one to commit suicide? on: February 26, 2015, 08:33:56
My position is that it is a question of the benefit and harm done to all parties in question, as most ethical questions are best understood to me.

There are clearly instances of self sacrifice where the ethics clearly seems in favor of that choice, but they are mostly artificial situations, such as the kind arranged in films. I am thinking of instances such as Mr. Spock sacrificing himself to save his crew mates in the 1982 version of "Wrath of Khan". They don't turn up often at all in real life, but they aren't outside of the realm of possibility.

Usually a case of suicide is needless, and the result of emotional stress, as you mention. In those cases the ethics are probably far against such an act.

Situations such as doctor-assisted suicides of the terminally ill are probably pretty close to ethically neutral acts to my understanding. Very little is probably left to be gained by the individual remaining alive a few more days. I feel the objections are probably rooted in religious teachings, which I guess is what it is.
168  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: AP with Legal Ayahuasca? on: February 25, 2015, 22:43:56
Hi eric

While I appreciate what you are doing here, in the past we have established the precedent that substance topics are to be about experiences, and not about guidelines for use, and definitely not production methods. If nothing else, it is a legal liability thing. We can't have users giving other users what really amounts to medical advice. I think it is good that the knowledge is out there, but I can tell you for sure we can't afford to be hosting it here.

Sorry about that one, and I hope you can appreciate our reasons.
169  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: HYPER DIMENSIONAL RESONATOR! on: February 25, 2015, 14:58:26
And you brought back a 12 year old topic from the dead to point that out?   rolleyes

At this point... the OP is believed to have shaken the mortal coil.

And I am beyond knowing what this topic is even about!
170  Spiritual Evolution / Welcome to Spiritual Evolution! / Re: Spiritual Growth on: February 23, 2015, 23:45:09
Are you struggling with the question of "why are we here"?

I don't really have a definitive answer, and I gave up needing one.

I lean toward the view I first expressed, but I guess for me it is more about questioning assumptions, than about offering a solution, because I don't have one myself. That is sort of the thing about philosophy... it makes you better at recognizing incomplete arguments, but it also leaves you with fewer things you can actually know for sure, for the same reason.

I guess for me it is more I am content to know I just don't know  wink
171  Spiritual Evolution / Welcome to Spiritual Evolution! / Re: Spiritual Growth on: February 23, 2015, 15:07:46
Spiritual growth... everyone has heard me talk about your "Intent", right?  Well, in my perspective, your goal for being here is to "purify your Intent".
It means making good Love-based choices, while making Fear-based choices will corrupt your Intent.  Your Intent is what drives everything you do & say.

I mean this somewhat rhetorically, but when you speak of a being that must purify its intent, which being is this? We, that being, what other identity do we have? If as many of us here think, we are a sliver of the greater reality experiencing itself as an individual, why would the greater reality need to purify its intent? Doesn't the greater reality (god, higher self, source, whatever you want to name it) exist outside of time and space? If so, how could it possibly change? It is everything it is ever going to be, no?

This is one reason I am skeptical of world views that involve progression or accumulation of merit or purity, etc. The whole thing seems more coherent if we are simply experiencing a sliver of the greater reality at a time. If the greater reality is infinite, it is and is experiencing all things. We are just one shade of those experiences, in that world view.

I think current society has a positive view of change and progress. We always want to be improving ourselves, moving forward. Maybe we are projecting that view onto metaphysics. We want to feel we are constantly becoming better beings, and that the future will always be better than the past.  Maybe it is a matter of accepting the present moment for its own unique grace, and not needing it to be better than what came before, or needing the future to be better than the past.

I am not really proclaiming one view over another though. In the end they are all speculations. It is good I think to remind ourselves that our answers are far from complete. Always be wary of those that claim they have a grasp on truth, and be careful when your language begins to have too much certainty woven through it. I know it is a danger to me as well  wink
172  Spiritual Evolution / Welcome to Spiritual Evolution! / Re: Spiritual Growth on: February 23, 2015, 07:33:21
I am of the same opinion. I don't think we are progressing toward anything. I don't think we are accumulating merit or knowledge or anything like that... I also feel we are just out here experiencing... maybe for its own sake. The world just is, and we just are with it. At least that is how I see it.

173  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Consciousness! / Re: Instant Result Technique (for the desperate/newbie/beginner) on: February 23, 2015, 03:39:59
Yeah the person believes they are not sleeping, but they end up having "microdreams", which last 5-10 seconds at a time. The body figures you have a compelling reason for not sleeping, and so will just take the sleep at any point you sit down, as it can manage.

The waking world blends with the subconscious in ways very much like a projection in that situation.
174  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Consciousness! / Re: Instant Result Technique (for the desperate/newbie/beginner) on: February 23, 2015, 02:16:24
The hallucinations bit definitely sounds like classic hypnogogia. Pretty much everyone experiences that either every time, or at least frequently. And ditto on the above. Others have found sleep deprivation to help them, but it is not necessary, or the preferred way.
175  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Where does Sexual Pleasure come from? on: February 15, 2015, 18:33:38
The sensual and sexual are purely in our minds.

People learn to associate them with various parts of the body and stimulation of those areas, but if you are really self-aware of it, the entire thing transpires in your mind, and has no necessary connection to any part of the body in that way. What it really amounts to is a sort of positive feedback loop through the autonomic nervous system.

I think it is important to recognize that sexuality has been denigrated through history and various religions into being something unclean, rather than as a gift given to humanity that actually enables us to be more creative and empathetic beings.

I would disagree that sexuality is a low goal, as is almost universally believed. I would point out that Tantric Buddhists and many others have used sensuality as a path toward higher understanding and connection with  greater realities. It is one path of many. We are physical for a reason. Ever think that maybe we weren't given these bodies and their sensual character to hinder us, but rather to expand us?
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