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151  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Does everyone have a spirit guide? on: June 24, 2014, 09:22:38
Haha... great story. The fact of being in a locker room in 7th grade might have given some fair warning that being "pants'ed" was a real possibility, but still maybe so, who can say!
152  Spiritual Evolution / Welcome to Spiritual Evolution! / Re: How much of your mind do you take with you after death of the Human body? on: June 24, 2014, 06:38:18
Why would anyone want to stay here as a spirit with all there is to offer on the other side? Pure bliss and peace, I assume. It makes no sense. And that's the fault of the human mind when taken over by human emotion (i.e possiveness, not forgiving and letting go, guilt etc)

And yet... here we are. We are here, and not there, at least for the moment. There must be a good reason for that. For whatever reason, we chose to go without all of that stuff for a little while. Non-attachment to this world is healthy on some level, but maybe while we are here, it may be good to discover the great meaningfulness in this world too.

153  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Does everyone have a spirit guide? on: June 23, 2014, 00:19:04
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t seems everyone has them. But not everyone "experiences" them because it is also a choice - mostly yours (probably even a subconscious one) or sometimes the choice of your guide(s) not to show up. The probable reason: they are used to working in the background for most of the time. That's what they're here for. You lead your life and they provide support. The best support is the one you do not even notice.

That is a good perspective. I have theorized that sometimes the opposite might happen though... every now and then, something of astronomical improbability will happen incidentally; I wonder if those moments might be someone engineering reality to tell me to pay attention to a certain happening or detail. It sounds like a silly anecdote (and truth be told, it really is, but I choose this particular time because an approximate probability is easy to arrive at), but sometime this past spring, I was at a friend's party; they had a bowl of jelly beans, and I reached in, and grabbed 11. Every jellybean was the same color. I looked back in the bowl, and there were five colors, of more or less equal distribution. The chance of getting a set of 11 of any one color in a large enough bowl is around 1 in 9,765,625, or 5^10. Could that happen by chance? Yes, it will happen a few dozen times every year somewhere in the world, but then events like this seem to happen more often than chance would suggest likely. Maybe I was supposed to pay special attention to that moment. If there was a reason, it eluded me, but I remembered the happening itself at any rate.
154  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Does everyone have a spirit guide? on: June 22, 2014, 17:57:36
Jury's out.

Some people will vehemently swear by their guides, while others will tell you they feel their guides are a part of their own psyche, and a few have never seen them.

No final answer I am afraid.
155  Spiritual Evolution / Welcome to Spiritual Evolution! / Re: How much of your mind do you take with you after death of the Human body? on: June 21, 2014, 07:55:50
I have asked this question a lot too, and I think it is one of your better questions.

Somehow... I feel like not much.

I say this because I am of the persuasion that every time we project we are probably not leaving our bodies, but rather transducing non-physical reality through the aparatus of our brains. If this is true, as I believe it is, no projector has had a body-less experience. I think many of us reason that because we retain a very human perspective while projecting, that we will do so when we die. I think almost all of our human identity is tied to our body and our life here though, and I think once we are dead, we will very quickly change our perspective and way of thinking. We will likely retain our memories, but we will not feel the same way about them. Many people have been reported to behave as though they were still a human living on earth afterward, but this usually seems to be pretty pathological.

I think we would still be able to do math- I think math is probably one of the most universal of all skills in existence, and probably used heavily in constructing realities like this one. Maybe we would even be significantly better at it.
156  Spiritual Evolution / Welcome to Spiritual Evolution! / Re: Does Consciousness Have A Beginning? on: June 19, 2014, 19:53:17
From the argument by parts, if it started, it was constructed somehow, and will very likely end somewhere down the road.

I think our personal identities are built of parts, and will thus dissolve later. But I think whatever the smallest units that compose us are will continue in some other form.

But that is all Greek / Stillwaterish philosophy lol. I wonder what other people think...
157  Spiritual Evolution / Welcome to Spiritual Evolution! / Re: Does Consciousness Have A Beginning? on: June 19, 2014, 18:01:13
Lol... you are going to make my head explode with all of this stuff this morning.

To me... the easier answer is that it has always existed. Why has it always existed? Probably because it is necessary for consciousness to have existed for some indeterminate reason, or equivalently because worlds without consciousness are not possible. Perhaps that is because consciousness may also be the only thing that exists, so therefore a world lacking it lacks existence.

Saying it is necessary for it to have existed is really the easy way out though. What if consciousness was not the first thing created (as in it always existed), but was created at a point in time? Much trickier to explain... because without consciousness, there is no will to create. If there is no will, that means consciousness was the result of a mechanical action; if it was the result of a mechanical action, is that again saying that it was necessary? Because if it wasn't necessary, that means the mechanical action could have possibly produced a different result, but then what gives the mechanical action the possibility of acting more than one way?

It seems like in order to answer the question of whether consciousness has a beginning, you have to answer the question of why there is consciousness, or even what it is composed of. For instance, does consciousness have parts? Because things that are composed of parts are all probably created, because the thing itself is the union of the parts, which can come together and apart. If something lacks parts, it seems like a better candidate for something that has always existed. What of our consciousness? Clearly it has parts, such as memories, will, and emotions. But are those parts composed of something at their base that has no parts? For instance, are there fragments like "the feeling of general well-being", or maybe even more basic, that are pure substances lacking structure? Because it seems like such things must always have existed, because they cannot be assembled from anything, and they cannot be disassembled. This is similar to the idea of energy in physics. There is no evidence that energy has ever been created or destroyed, because it lacks parts. Even those that theorize the big bang say that all the energy that is here in the universe was present in that singularity point, and wasn't created, just released.

So to you, is consciousness something that has parts, or lacks parts? And if it has parts, what are those parts? And if it lacks parts, can you give an example of something that lacks parts being created or destroyed?
158  Spiritual Evolution / Welcome to Spiritual Evolution! / Re: Alan Watts - Ego on: June 19, 2014, 17:10:52
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ďThe biggest ego trip going isÖ getting rid of your egoĒ

Yeah... I think that is a close cousin to the idea that willing for enlightenment is among the worst ways to obtain it, which runs through a lot of Buddhist thought.

I have often asked myself if striving to act with care, constraint, and patience in dealing with other people and creatures is just a way for me to feel good about myself.


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Any serious recommendations? I can tell when my ego is having a hissy fit over something and just smile it tell it it's going to be okay


Western takes on Buddhism are what Alan Watts seems to be made for. I read a few of his books as a kid, and his coverage of Zen was very strong (and he did it before it was super fashionable, so there is a certain purity free from the overtones of the 60's and 70's that made Zen a pop-culture idea rather than a topic of sincere study. Enough Koans for anyone!

http://www.amazon.com/Way-Zen-Alan-W-Watts/dp/0375705104/ref=la_B000AP9KWO_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1403179154&sr=1-2

159  Astral Chat / Welcome to News and Media! / Re: Change your life FOREVER on: June 18, 2014, 05:43:01
Lol... you are getting all over the place with this topic.

Feel free to post the different videos in their own separate topics- they are sort of their own subjects. It is ok to have 2-3 topics in the same day, within reason.
160  Energy Body and The Chakras / Welcome to Energy Body and The Chakras / Re: opening chakras, whats next? on: June 16, 2014, 16:35:40
I think we have had a couple exchanges on the concept of energy bodies and chakras, Volgerle, so I shouldn't belabor this too much, as I think we understand one another's positions by now.

For me... despite the fact that I have felt a lot of the classic sensations that are described as energy body actions (although not the "Kundalini" concept), I am at a loss for making conclusions. I can't say whether they represent an actual "energy body" per se, or are a collection of nervous responses.

I theorize that they may be something largely physical in nature because I am able to induce them very quickly without entering a very deep trance or shifting my focus from the physical too far. While they feel a lot like the Upanishads and modern practitioners say (crown does feel a bit like fingers massaging scalp, heart does feel like a heart beat several times too fast, etc), I reason that whatever the cause, I am experiencing the effects through nervous system stimulation. Now notice the important departure point here: that my nervous system is the vehicle for experiencing the sensations does not indicate that there are no energy bodies causing them, but I also reason that energy bodies are not necessary to explain them either- at least to the degree I have yet experienced.

That is sort of where I sit. Unlike non-physical reality in general, I have no real means for verifying or disproving the reality of energy bodies. And it isn't through lack of trying. I have read a good deal of RB's material and books (AD, PPSD, the "NEW" material, etc), and have worked through a lot of the techniques for months about a decade ago. Are there real sensations? You bet. Are they very unusual? Oh yes. What are they? Who the hell really knows... nothing in those few months left me any more attuned, or in balance than my general meditation practice. Because I couldn't discern any additional effect, I decided it wasn't worth the time investment over and above what I spend. I think a lot of what practitioners are taking away may be the general effects of long and focused meditation. I honestly haven't encountered any information to make a conclusion beyond that, and as I say, it isn't for a lack of investigation or trying. Maybe I had already obtained the benefits the NEW system provides from years of other practices. Or maybe I needed another 6 months to really notice a change beyond what I had, who can say. But our time here in this life if valuable too. I decided I didn't have another 6 months to settle a question if it wasn't providing me anything discernable.

Now I have seen, in real life, practitioners of energy systems, such as Daoists from deep country China, do remarkable things. For instance, one old man told me he had the ability to interrupt the flow of life-force in a person by touching them gingerly. And sure enough, I told him to have a go; he flicked my temple with the most subtle of taps, and I spent the next ten seconds recovering from a drunken haze. Is it possible they have learned things about energy forms that I just haven't worked out? For sure. But then there are many explanations for how they do what they do; the psychic force of intention in the world is remarkably powerful- it may be that a person's sincere belief in their ability to affect certain kinds of changes is more than enough to cause those changes.

As you have said in the past, and rightly, I am just not equipped to make any real judgement, and I have no illusions about that. But I am also saying consider possibilities- think about how there are alternative explanations for everything you experience, that despite the appearance of a poodle, or a long fingered monster, you may also be seeing the shadows of trees on the wall. I think most of us here recognize the physical world is one powerful illusion of solidity; it is captivating in how real and final it feels (which is not to say it is "unreal either, but I think you know what I mean here). It seems very possible that just as the physical world is a captivating illusion, many of the ways people view the structures of the non-physical may turn out to be other forms of captivating illusions, whose real explanations may be a bit different.
161  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: The Inter-Dimensional Entities Behind the Dark Agenda Thatís Taking Over the Wor on: June 16, 2014, 04:50:14
Probably not.

Honestly, I haven't the slightest clue what enlightenment is though, and I get a bit suspicious when people suggest they do know, because it invariably ends up being either a status claim, or a carrot to goad followers with. My guess is a word, and nothing more, but who knows.
162  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: The Inter-Dimensional Entities Behind the Dark Agenda Thatís Taking Over the Wor on: June 16, 2014, 02:50:18
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I think this may be the wrong approach here. To assume an individual is young or old is a fundamentally useless question if we are to consider ourselves "timeless" beings without beginning or end. Such distinction may merely be an expression of our time borne existence and its overall relatedness to non-physical systems may be subject to question.

But the question remains, why are we here, and why does there not appear to be a uniform purpose to our universal existence? Is knowledge of the world and its purpose, in an intellectual sense, something the monkey brain of man can comprehend? The more I live the more skeptical I become of such an idea. I haven't had an out of body experience, but having read your accounts, if you accept the REALITY at face value of what you guys are stating despite all our advances in technology we are so off the mark its not even funny. It may even have done some harm, considering the growing collective resignation that there is no life beyond the body or any larger system beyond this one. There have been benefits for sure, given we're even having this conversation over such a distance is a miracle, but we seem to be becoming even more dissociated from the true "wider reality" than ever before.

I use this language here because a purpose for our existence is being discussed. I agree with you that it seems likely that not only may we be timeless, but we exist outside of linear time. But in order to discuss a purpose or a goal, to me this implied linear time (else there would be no time before the goal was met). Now if we have been progressing toward this goal, yet have always existed, it seems that we should have made infinite progress. That we have not made infinite progress would imply that we were at some point "created" in our current form (because our finite progress would be explained by finite existence), and in the sense of being created vs always having existed, I use the term "young".

I do not suppose that we are created in that sense, or that the term "young" (or any comparative like that) could be applied to us in any meaningful sense; but to me, I have difficulty of conceiving of a goal for our existence without those constraints (not that we necessarily have one either, but for the sake of the discussion previous).

Dissociation from the wider reality may well be one of the reasons of being here. Perhaps there are things that can only be experienced from a perspective of ignorance and isolation in a place such as this.
163  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: The Inter-Dimensional Entities Behind the Dark Agenda Thatís Taking Over the Wor on: June 15, 2014, 19:35:22
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The action itself is meaningless, but the Intent behind the action is what's important.

True enough. That is what Cervantes wrote the first novel ever (Don Quixote) to say, in around 1000 pages, lol...
164  Integral Philosophy / Welcome to Integral Philosophy! / Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life, Purpose of Human Life - on: June 15, 2014, 19:10:30
Easy there, slugger.

I haven't seen a single person advance the doctrine of materialism you are raging so vehemently against.

No face kicking needed yet, pretty sure.

Maybe instead of dropping in monthly, you should just take a moment and look around... is there a single person completely rejecting your thoughts here? Has a single person even been mildly inhospitable?

Might be good to dial it back a few notches is all I am saying... we are friends here, and we happen to actually have similar enough viewpoints at the root.
165  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: The Inter-Dimensional Entities Behind the Dark Agenda Thatís Taking Over the Wor on: June 15, 2014, 18:55:23
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If I was forced to put a definition towards why we're (when I say "we" I mean ALL conscious beings) experiencing this physical reality it would be to purify your Intent towards that of Love.

Possibly, but that also raises a line of questions of its own, such as:

-If our higher existences have always existed, why don't they know all there is to know about love by now?
-If our higher existences have not always existed, when were they created, and from what?
-What are the insects of the world (read- the majority of all animal life) learning about love?
-Why are only higher animals in general (it looks like reptiles, or maybe fish at best) equipped to understand and express love, when there are so few of them?

Love seems like something mostly birds and mammals do here.

If we don't know all about it by now... we must be very young... and why would we be so young, if the world is so timeless?

Honestly... I haven't the slightest clue what this world is exactly for, lol. As I mentioned earlier, my best guess is experience through role playing; Tom Campbell suggests something somewhat similar in saying we are here to "experience life with limits, and the situations that creates" [paraphrasing from memory], but who really knows... at least I haven't heard a definitive argument yet.

The physical world we are sharing here might actually have dozens of separate reasons for being, even...

Picture the internet... why does it exist? Well, not for one reason, but for thousands. It exists to send emails. It exists to check stock reports. It exists for cats. It exists for pornography. It exists for news. It exists for disinformation. It exists for games. It exists for learning. It exists for absurdity. It exists for social connectivity. It exists for social control and surveilance. It exists for spammers. It exists for teachers.

Our world might be like the internet... every single being might be here to do something completely different and valid...
166  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Projection Experiences! / Re: Mugwort ... can it assist in astral projection? on: June 15, 2014, 17:49:21
Why take something with toxicity concerns like that attached to it though... there are other herbs out there.
167  Astral Chat / Welcome to News and Media! / Re: Change your life FOREVER on: June 15, 2014, 11:09:00
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This would be Like tapping on that other 90% brain power you are supposedly not using, plus IMHO is also spiritualistic as Sh1t grin

The brain thing has been said to be a pop-culture myth for a while, with the real truth being something more like you only use 10% of the parts of the brain for any given task, but use all of it at various times when the task is appropriate. If you were using more than that, you would be using areas that are not wholly appropriate for the task, such as using auditory processing centers while tasting food. It would amount to something like an LSD experience (which is not to say that sort of experience is worthless, but usually not super helpful in the survival-oriented sense that our bodies are ordered around).

This sounds like something I did a lot as a kid, and still do occasionally to an extent. When I was trying out a new idea I wasn't sure of, I would have an internal dialogue between myself and other people; I basically built a character of the other person I knew, and imagined with a fair deal of accuracy how their mannerisms, beliefs, values, and thought-patterns would take the idea, and what sorts of responses they would give to questions and statements. These conversations would last for 10 minutes or more sometimes. I guess it is the sort of thing that you either label a person psychotic for, or else call them inventively eccentric over, based on how you are inclined to view them, haha.  wink
168  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: The Inter-Dimensional Entities Behind the Dark Agenda Thatís Taking Over the Wor on: June 15, 2014, 08:11:52
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There is only five dimensions and the fifth is not where we are heading before we meet death.

I sort of think the "dimensional hierarchy" idea was conceived and propagated by ascensionists as you say though... and is more or less predicated on the idea that, "By golly, 4 dimensions are better than 3, and if you thought 4 was good, wait till you see 5"  rolleyes

The actual reality is likely pretty difficult to express with the language and schemes we have.
169  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: The Inter-Dimensional Entities Behind the Dark Agenda Thatís Taking Over the Wor on: June 14, 2014, 08:38:30
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But it also seems to me that he wants to make the usual 'evolutionist' statement because he also overlooks that there was a time before WW1 and 2 and some periods were (in some areas and/or world-wide) even more peaceful. I remember reading about a very peaceful area in Europe  a while ago but forgot what exactly it referred to. I also remember reading a book about a prehistoric time where archeologists found no traces of violence at all in Europe over centuries (!!) with tribes that made a lot of pottery but most is not known about them today, there was almost no conflict. And then of course we have myths and legends about a "Golden Age" maybe eons ago. It's just that this evoluitionist thinking is so flawed imv. There is some achievements, yes, compared to some times when people were even more trigger-happy it seemed. But it is not linear.

For sure. If we are less violent now, I do not think it is owing to our greater human development, so much as circumstance.

I think you might mean the "Pax Romana", where the Romans weren't at war for 200 full years. The Egyptians also enjoyed many centuries of peace because of their isolation, which is one reason they might have become so advanced at mathematics.

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Plus, there are so many wars, mass murder and slaughtery all over the world which we do not even find out about because it is NOT covered, e.g. in the "3rd World", maybe it was alwyas this way, but someone who says that we live in more peaceful times because of some manipulative body-counts might still be very wrong (and cynical...).

Oh yes, there are plenty of these. We all hear about Sudan, but almost no one hears of what happened in places like East Timor. No economic interest in it. Chomsky says a lot on that subject.

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The nuclear stalemate of post-WW2 might have played a part that we have no WW3 (so far?) and thus the giant overkill - but that does not mean that people and societies are 'less violent' in their behaviour or mentality.

It is a terrible thought, but what followed after WW2 was so horrific in some arenas that the world may have been a better place had the Nazis actually won. The Germans were about ready to cast off the Third Reich around the time of their defeat at the hands of the Russians, and had they done so in the case of a German victory as well, as I expect they would have in a matter of years, the way the pieces sat on that chessboard may have been more fortunate than what we actually had. The cleansing that even the Germans had a taste for was probably far less than what the likes of Mao could stomach, and the US-German Cold War would probably have been a bit less intense. Hitler's plans were just not feasible on the scale he pictured them, and I think that alone might have allowed better heads to prevail.
170  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: The Inter-Dimensional Entities Behind the Dark Agenda Thatís Taking Over the Wor on: June 14, 2014, 03:11:41
Steven Pinker indeed uses flawed reasoning at times, and it is true that the west still launches wars of exploitation where it is profitable; but if you compare the last 40 years to the 40 before it, there is no comparison. The last 40 had Persian gulf Hijinx parts 1-5, Bosnia, Kosovo, Grenada, a few major Israeli aggressions, Iraq vs Iran, some paramilitary actions in South America and Africa, and a few other major conflicts. Death toll probably totals 10-15 million between the lot of them. 40 before that... Vietnam, Korean war, mad Soviet expansion, Maozedong's Peoples' revolution in China, Stalin's ethnic exterminations, Eastern European ethnic cleansing in general, and World War 2. Death toll between all of those probably comes in at 150-200 million. Stalin and Mao easily killed more people than died during all of World War 2 alone.

Now compared to that time in history, anything else pales. Without a doubt we are living in a far less violent time than that. But I agree with you that we haven't come that much further socially. I think it is more a matter of military wars being less profitable for many parties than economic war of late.
171  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: The Inter-Dimensional Entities Behind the Dark Agenda Thatís Taking Over the Wor on: June 13, 2014, 02:43:28
There are also "times" for it. Social movements and superstitions create an artificial season for it. The Beatnik counter-culture of the 50's created a short burst of sincere interest in eastern thought. The LSD craze and anti-war counter culture in general generated a superficial interest in metaphysics. We had a huge range of fake channelers spring up over people's fears of something magic happening at the turn of the millenium, and I think everyone well remembers the 2012 fiasco. There is interest out there, but at times like those, it is the worst possible kind.
172  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: The Inter-Dimensional Entities Behind the Dark Agenda Thatís Taking Over the Wor on: June 12, 2014, 14:45:31
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Everyday I see so many things that just make me think "Really, Humanity wants to go this way".   sad

 We are so much better than that. I wonder when we are going to grow up and finally start acting like we are. With the fact that ethics and morals seem to be left behind, I can see it's going to be a long time before we do "wake up".

If you neither want to be here, nor want not to be here, I think you find great peace that lies in the middle ground, in experiencing the ecstasy of existence for its own sake in moments that have no reliance on past or future.

Every now and then I wonder if it is really possible to change this world in a profound way... maybe we are here in this world now because we have affinity to it, as it in suits our development... and once we are developed enough to make a difference, we have already distanced ourselves from belonging here.

My own theory though, from what I have seen and what I reason is that we are here to learn and gather experience by playing roles. You could be the hero, or the foil, or the hero's mother, or maybe the baker who makes bread for the hero, or you are the guy the hero beat up in school before he decided to be heroic, or maybe you are a snail and you love sucking on dirt for sucking on dirt's sake.

Perhaps what we are here reflects our own state of development, but I think probably not. I think it is more like sometimes you want to be the snail, to see what that game is like.

Ethics is damn important, and I truly wish people would live with consideration for what their lives and actions cost other beings in suffering... but I have a feeling it all sorts itself out at the end of the day, when the game is over.
173  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: The Inter-Dimensional Entities Behind the Dark Agenda Thatís Taking Over the Wor on: June 11, 2014, 14:20:04
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LOL Yeah I actually believed it at first but as I thought about it and gained a better understanding of true spirituality I realized it was all a bunch of BS most likely. And so on 2012 I wasn't surprised that we didn't end up in the 5th dimension or consciousness increasing. I believe in practical spirituality. And I have learned how to discern this.

Not to mention... what is the point of this world being here... if it is just going to end up in the 5th dimension with eveything else up there...

The 5th dimension has gotta' be crowded- word on the street is earth is the true hipster place to be right now.
174  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: The Inter-Dimensional Entities Behind the Dark Agenda Thatís Taking Over the Wor on: June 09, 2014, 00:29:58
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vp1F16_7lO0

Some critical, and detached thinking couldn't hurt either.

175  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: The Inter-Dimensional Entities Behind the Dark Agenda Thatís Taking Over the Wor on: June 08, 2014, 12:39:12
I will hazard a guess Xanth more or less means what Astralzombie said, or some minor variant thereof.

Perhaps brevity is kindness here.
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