Such a shame.

I want to say a good number of those books are still available, despite not being thought worthy of the new testament... I will have to look later, haha.

Well there would mostly be ALOT more of it mainly (volume of pages that is) and it would be alot more concerned with social justice, as that was what Jesus cared about really. Most of that was left out when they decided what the cannon of the New Testament would be in the 5th century or so. The New Testament cannon could have very different meanings dependings on what books you place in it.

Hi,
In the Bible, in exodus...
 http://www.openbible.info/topics/moses_building_the_tabernacle
That says it all. No work on the Sabbath or you're put to death. No fires at home?
The lord works in mysterious ways.
Is this example all good or particular to the beliefs back then?

Oh, there is worse than that, haha. I remember there is a passage in the oft-overlooked book of "Elisha", which recounts how Elisha called on the help of God to punish the town's children who had called him "baldy". God's response was of course to send a couple she-bears their way to rend them apart.

For reasons I think most can agree, the Bible is obviously not a word for word manual of how to live; to me it is a combination of older pre-Persian and Egyptian prophecies reinterpreted by the Jews, and a record of how they knew it best to love their god and one another- it is the latter that gives it significance as literature to me.

Other than that, yeah.  Failure to help a soul in need.

The Bible says that this is one of the things that displeases God most, actually- this specific thing... so maybe you have hit on something.

I don't necessarily think the Bible has inherent authority, but it is interesting nonetheless.

That makes me think of Pulp Fiction...

That was my point though.  Lets assume he knew everything, and we could then prevent another 9/11.

I think Xanth is right here, take a step back-

What makes you think that it isn't practices like mass POW torture that inspire 9/11 events to begin with?

You can't fight barbarism with barbarism, unless you want to be a barbarian too; and if so, you are stepping into a brimming arena.

Quantifiable things can be measured by defintion; how do you measure good or evil? And if you can't measure them, how do you know they are quantifiable?

Projection for me has been on my back, but I have woken up sometimes to find I am on my side.

People seem to have more ease on their back, but it seems fairly common for people to be able to project from many other positions too.

Nietzsche has instructive things to say about this topic I feel in his work, "A Geneology of Morality".

His idea is that the concepts of "good and evil" are fairly newly developed in our history; you have the concept of the "Good" in Greek classical society, which Plato talks about as the supreme goal and what all things are seeking to imitate; it sort of equates to "best" or "most perfect" for the Greeks; for another society, the Jews, "Good" was whatever was in line with God's laws.

Conversely, these societies and pretty much all the others like them don't really have so much a concept of "Evil" as such. For a Greek, you could fail to be perfect of course, and everyone failed to be like the goal of the "Good" to some degree, but that just meant you were simply "less good"; for a Jew, you could fail to meet God's commandments, but that was the nature of your failing, that you hadn't followed God's law to the letter, not that you had succumbed to intrinsic evil.

The change in these concepts happened along the time of the middle ages, for social reasons. For instance, there were terms of German social status which reflected your value in society: well to do people were "good" (or noble as we would say), indicating they had more worth; lesser classes were "bad", meaning of less value (bad similar in the sense that bread may go bad, or decompose and thus devalue).

The application of Christianity at this time had a major change on those concepts; early Christianity was extremely concerned with social welfare, and making sure that all people had what they needed to get by (recalls Jesus' response when asked what the most important commandment, or rule to follow was, and time and time again he said it was "love thy neighbor", or that the thing which most displeased God was forgetting to help someone in need). People began to consider that perhaps those of noble birth were not of intrinsicly more worth, if they were not using their wealth to help others, and that even if you were of a "bad" social class, you might be of more worth to God. Slowly the idea of low social class, or "bad" began to transform into the concept of "Good" (blessed be the poor in spirit), and noble or the old concept of good as worth actually became "Evil".

So Nietzsche is basically saying that the concepts of Good and Evil were instituted in the middle ages as a method for the lower classes to seize power, by declaring themselves of more intrinsic value through their aparent righteousness.

I think that there might be some truth to this; it might be interesting to note that whenever people talk about the concept of Good and Evil, they always declare themselves on the side of Good by default; you should really question anytime people bring up the concepts what agenda they pursuing, because generally these terms are used to stir up emotions in people, by declaring what the arguer desires as good and what they opose as evil.

I need to find a way to merge art and business...

The problem is that they are antagonistic to one another, with entirely disparate goals that are often at exact odds.

Business is interested in art insofar as it can exploit it for profit, and art is interested in business insofar as it is an atmosphere where it is allowed at least a tortured and tenuous existence 

Like imagine if a person with no interest in money or business were given the resources Hollywood normally lavishes on stuff like transformers...

This is an acceptable topic, just remember to provide English translations when you post in alternative languages (especially in topic titles, haha )

Ahhhh, ok.

I have done some laser cutting for furniture designs, it is great fun... you can do all sorts of things that you could never do by hand really... "laser precision" is not an exaggeration!

Yeah... I have had friends that did some stained glass... that looks like it was murder to cut 

Yeah, I read the wiki as well... they are 6 stories framed in one linked narritive.

I remember at the end of "What Dreams May Come" (or "Robin Williams goes to heaven"), there was a scene at the close where he and his wife decided to reincarnate, to meet all over under different circumstances. It seems like this film might have a similar premise.

Give em some credit... they are rocket scientists afterall!