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76  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Energy raising, is it necessary? on: November 11, 2013, 13:07:59
I found at a very young age very much of use in the Upanishads. My feeling is that the Vedic and Buddhist paradigms of the chakras represent a real phenomenon. By real, I mean something that has a demonstrable experential component common across many individuals. I have felt it myself very strongly. I have felt powerful (and sometimes overwhelming) sensations in the areas attributed the the chakras very often during meditation. For that reason I can never say there is no reality to it. 

When attempting to formulate explanations of what is going on however, I typically try on the explanations that require the least assumptions to be true. So I guess I go with a deconstructive approach: what do "energy events" provide the experiencer with? "Sensations" must be the answer in every case, otherwise nothing would be experienced. The sensations that most resemble to me those that I have experienced and others have described to me are intense nerve firings. The "vibrations" to me feel very much like hyper-firing sensory nerves, like every nerve ending in my skin and head has lit up like a christmas tree, therefore that is the explanation that seems most plausible to me. Further, the "chakra sensations" all occur coincidentally enough at major nerver ganglia, and to me very much feel like a pulsing, throbbing / buzzing that has its closest analogue to me in the sensations of a mis-struck nerve.

I think it is very possible to argue for these sensations to represent some sort of energy body effects, but to me that approach requires a few points. The first would be an explanation of why physical attributions such as nerve effects are insufficient to account for all the of experienced effects. The next point would be a sufficient reason to posit the existence of something not everyone agrees to exist. Now that second point is possible clearly, because we are all here because we believe something which the scientific community doesn't recognize as existing (projection to other realities) nevertheless exists. All of this withstanding, I haven't encountered a strong argument yet for the existence or explanatory necessity of energy bodies tethered to our physical body. I have felt powerful sensations and others have as well, but going from the sensations to an explanation of what the sensations are, are two different steps.
77  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Energy raising, is it necessary? on: November 11, 2013, 05:04:50
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I don't know what I don't know

Classic Rumsfeld  cheesy
78  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Energy raising, is it necessary? on: November 10, 2013, 08:38:04
Robert Bruce has a very different perspective than you will mostly find here.

I haven't found energy work necessary to project, and I am not even sure it is beneficial for projection in all honesty. Personally I am very speculative about what "energy work" actually represents. My own personal leanings tell me it might be an intention and manifestation thing- you want very much to have an effect, and thus you do such and such technique rigorously. Perhaps the intention itself causes psychosomatic effects, or perhaps it has something to do with a more metaphysical expression of will.

Energy work absolutely has results for the serious practitioners, but as I said, I don't think it is because the practitioners have worked out the science of it all so much as they might be tapping into some intention-driven phenomenon. If I am right in thinking this, then your determined intention to project will get you just as far.
79  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: Cell phones. What I have noticed. on: November 09, 2013, 22:07:13
I know what you mean Lionheart. I bring my phone when I perceive I am entering a situation where I may need to call for help, or when I need to communicate with others due to prolonged travel. Normally I don't wanna be reached by ads or a wrong caller every 5 hours or some random business call I can easily deal with when I get home.

Those mall shots are great, but that is just the 80's... the seeds were already planted. Imagine that same mall in the 40's or 50's... ( I know, most of them were built in the 70s-80s, but same concept.
80  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Projection Experiences! / Re: Someone seems to always be present in my dreams.. on: November 09, 2013, 12:55:32
It could really be anything. It might well be someone with a lasting existence who is there to help you as Szaxx pointed out; it may also be a representation of a psychological trait you have. If the person also seems to be studying you it may be a fear of being scrutinized by others. If they are always giving helpful or kind advice it may be that you are looking for someone to "show you the way" in your life, and you manifest that need in your dreams by having someone actually fill that role.

But again it very well could be an actual entity there to help you, or someone "assigned" to see you through a particular task. Speaking with them does seem like the best approach.
81  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: Cell phones. What I have noticed. on: November 09, 2013, 12:48:53
Lol the cell phone stuff really gets me too... I can't even stand them anymore watching what they have done to social interaction. I don't even carry my phone with me when I leave the house. I will never spend more than ten dollars on one either, lol.

It sounds funny, but when I go outside, I am captivated by everything around me. The trees, the clouds, people walking by... it is a small kind of ecstasy to me. The thought of wanting to spend time looking at a tiny little screen punching miniscule buttons with my thumbs when I spend a large enough portion of my time indoors on a computer is inconceivable to me. My desktop handles anything a phone would do with far more capability and facility. If I am not home near a computer at the time whatever it is I would need electronics for is probably remarkably unimportant anyhow.

The idea of standing in a line once a year to get a ridiculously overpriced new phone that has 10% more capabilities than the one I did the same for last year is so absurd a concept I can't even relate to someone who would do that, lol.
82  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Projection Experiences! / Re: Projecting after took 'shrooms' ? on: November 09, 2013, 11:07:21
Drug experiences are valid experiences... anything a person experiences is a valid experience.

We don't really care much for glorification of substance use, but discussions of experiences under psychodelics and ethneogens are a core part of mysticism and thus welcome here.

I guess the good rule of thumb is make the material about your experiences, and not a discussion of the mechanics and details of substance use and you should be fine.
83  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: Fellow bulgarians reveal yourselfs!:-D on: November 09, 2013, 11:01:46
Yeah that is by far our biggest problem here too in the US.  Imagine the Bulgarian government, and then give them essentially infinite funding and technology, and you mostly have ours, lol... be glad your government doesn't have hideous toys that would make James Bond weep.
84  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: Fellow bulgarians reveal yourselfs!:-D on: November 08, 2013, 20:21:02
Understood completely. I found that part of the world captivatingly beautiful, but the flipside was knowing that all the farmers there I surveyed barely made dollars a day; they got what they needed through trading their produce, but they weren't allowed to be participants in 20th century commerce, and nor was it possible for them to ever do anything but sit and work their farms. They stayed where they were born, and that was that.
85  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: Fellow bulgarians reveal yourselfs!:-D on: November 07, 2013, 21:15:42
Then I am proven wrong quite quickly.

The Bulgarian connection surfaces!
86  Dreams / Welcome to Dreams! / Re: Small communities(Recurring) on: November 07, 2013, 18:21:33
Sort of reminds of these stories a few months back:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1326187/Las-Vegas-tunnel-people-How-1-000-people-live-shimmering-strip.html

There are lots of places in the US where there are extensive underground tunnels below cities, and many of them are now heavily inhabited by underground societies like this.
87  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: Fellow bulgarians reveal yourselfs!:-D on: November 07, 2013, 18:14:29
Let's see... medium-sized country of 7.5 million, primary language is Bulgarian; there might be a few but they may be a bit hard to find, lol.

The closest I have ever been to knowing anything about Bulgaria is passing through Budapest and Hungary in general, and living a month or so in Romania, so I think of Bulgaria as "like Romania but different"  cheesy

How is life coming in Bulgaria?
88  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Projection Experiences! / Re: Months long experience at "The School"- Post-physical rest area on: November 07, 2013, 01:56:45
I agree, to me it also feels like a three-piece puzzle with two pieces in place. I know there is another piece out there somewhere, but I am not seeking it. I get the distinct impression I was being shown something. I think this was timed. As basic experiences and dreams go, these ones had production value and care, as though someone assembled it with intent. This was the work of a studied hand. I feel thankful that someone gave me what I may have needed when not everyone may get that opportunity.

I feel someone was giving me information I might need later, or perhaps preparation. Like Scrooge, I am not looking for the third ghost, but if you remember the play, he will come in his time.

What the future holds, is anyone's guess. I think this time and place in general (our planet and century) will be a time of profound challenges, and we are about to rush headlong into the unlit horizon. Many hands are held to strike, and all manner of genies are being let out. I hope that I am equal to the challenges placed before me. Maybe the information is for something personal to me, or maybe it is on a bigger scale.
89  Astral Chat / Welcome to Members Introductions! / Re: Namaste from GTMO on: November 06, 2013, 19:37:34
That greeting may never have been uttered before, that is for sure. I read "GTMO" as "GMO" lol...

Good luck with your practice! This site can be a great resource for both reading archived materials and posting new questions when you can't find an answer; there are stickies at the tops of some of the upper forums sections which may prove useful to someone in the theory acquisition stages too!
90  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Projection Experiences! / Re: Months long experience at "The School"- Post-physical rest area on: November 06, 2013, 06:40:02
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Amazing experience!  Looks like you are facing some fears of loosing loved ones.  You said above that when you met again they would not be the same as you knew them.  Any particular reason for believing that?  I ask because just last week I met my deceased Dad in a projection and he was the same guy I've always known (only a little younger looking.)  He had a big smile with tears like he knew what a special moment this was for us.  I cried and we hugged and both said "I love you."  Then we sat down and he started asking me something about my camera, but he didn't get too far before I got pulled back.  I thought about trying to get back there, but I decided against it because I was afraid if I didn't go over the experience in my mind I might loose it from memory.  It was such a joyous reunion and real as real could be.  Just wanted to share that in case it makes you feel any better.  Smiley

Hi Soarin!

What I mean as "not the same" is somewhat multifold. Firstly, they will be learning and experiencing new things and places. This is a positive thing, but experience does change someone too. I guess I don't look forward to the time when our paths will take us to separate places, and I cannot watch their existence unfold as closely as we can here. Sort of like leaving school; you spend a decade with the same group of people, then they disperse; you can indeed go and meet them, but it will take a much greater effort, and you cannot share in their experiences as closely or nearly as often. Things can never be as they were "back then". There is something primal and visceral about standing next to a person and looking upon them in pure immediacy that will only ever be allowed to us here in our single life with them.

The other major aspect of "not the same" I think deals with identity. From my experiences, my impression is that our consciousness carries on and we maintain our perspectives through as long as I can see. I also see though that a lot of what makes us what we are is very intimately tied to our current physical existence. Our full consciousness is much more complex and experienced than what we are now seeing. Our thought patterns are also very much directed by things such as our physical memories and our physical drives. We will maintain our existence, but we will  not exist  as what we are now. The identity that we possess with this life will die with our physical body. We will retain memories of it all, but we can never have the same perspective, and nor will those we know. For instance, when I meet people who have passed, I very much prefer for them to look as they did here, because that is their identity that I know and am comfortable with. But that is a mere formality. They have no fixed form as such.

I guess if you want the clearest analogy I can muster, think of a mother who's child lived with her their entire life, but who is now getting married and moving to the Ukraine. They shared a bond of immediacy and connection for as long as that child lived, but now their relationship is growing much more distant.
91  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Projection Experiences! / Re: Months long experience at "The School"- Post-physical rest area on: November 06, 2013, 06:13:50
I absolutely understand what you mean Szaxx.

Despite the fact that a lot of people tend to view me as dominantly a logical personal, I would actually say I am predominantly an emotionally oriented person. I seem to feel things much more strongly and immediately than others around me, and I find empathizing with others first nature. I have found it is often necessary to set emotional reactions aside apart from myself in order to merely function in many situations. I guess the closest analogy is the Vulcans from Star trek; on first inspection, they seem like they are cold and emotionless, but it is really the opposite- they are so hyper-emotional that they find the need to set their thoughts apart from their emotions. Much too with me. In fact, I don't even allow myself to engage with emotions much of the time because it would cloud my decision making in critical times.

I retained a lot of emotionally charged images from these experiences as a result.
92  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Projection Experiences! / Re: Months long experience at "The School"- Post-physical rest area on: November 04, 2013, 19:58:53
That is very possible, but then I didn't get the impression I was reading a "choose your own adventure" book, in that I had choices. More it felt as though I was being shown something. Like a live-action movie I was acting in, but had no access to the script. Case in point, I expected the last man to be save-able, and I wanted him to hold out just long enough for medical attention. Despite my strong desires, he quickly passed, and I wasn't given a chance to relive or alter it in any way I could tell.
93  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Projection Experiences! / Re: Months long experience at "The School"- Post-physical rest area on: November 04, 2013, 17:37:07
Yeah I am not sure what to make of the dazzling geometric lights. I have heard people many times say that they were a way of visualizing higher realms. I lean toward the idea that they might be a physical thing- they might be rapid hypnogaugic imagery of the kind we see before going to sleep sometimes, except being fully conscious in the projection state makes them more powerful- but this is only my temporary theory.

As I went into briefly in the narrative, I awoke into that place indeed having general amnesia, as though my task at hand was meant to take my full attention. I still had knowledge of basic things like scientific facts and music theory, and language, etc., but I didn't have much sense for my past. That slowly subsided over the course of the months.

I indeed think I was there for a reason Szaxx, and it probably wasn't the reason most of them were, but it was related.

I do a little introspection every now and then, and I think I have a good sense of what things matter to me in life, and what things scare me. I can say for pretty much most of my life now, I have not been at all afraid of death. I don't seek it, but I do welcome it. What I seem to have trouble dealing with though is the concept of losing people around me. I know that I can visit them a few weeks later if I put a lot of effort into it, but somehow it isn't the same. They will never be the same people they were, and that disquiets me some I have to admit.

I had a dream the following night after the long experience that cemented for me that this must be the concept being played at. Three different times I had strangers die in my presence due to traumatic injuries. The final one was the most intense. Someone had fired an arrow through his heart; I was horrified, I shouted out to people nearby to call for an ambulance, and I shouted out his physical description to them. Then I returned to see him kneeling against a wall, already fading. I wanted to speak with him, learn anything he wanted to say in that moment, but he didn't have much left in him, his eyes were half staring into nothingness.  I told him he just had to hold on for a moment with me, that help would be there in minutes, but he didn't have minutes. I felt his heartbeat, and finally seconds later felt the last beat, and I watched the last light fade from his eyes. The last 10 seconds of that sequence is burned into my memory in ultra-vivid detail. I have watched his eyes going still at least 20 times over.

After I woke up I realized the dream was very much about me, and not being prepared to have family members in that position.
94  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: Vegan / Vegetarian Burger Recipes! on: November 04, 2013, 03:49:03
I have been vegetarian since I was a kid, and will never go back  cheesy

There are all sorts of amazing foods that only vegetarians seem to eat much, so for me, it was like my menu broadened even, except when I go to restaurants; in that case I spend about 5 minutes eliminating everything I can't have, and decide between the 1-5 remainders, haha.

Veggie burgers are always welcome, and there are all kinds based on what you use as the "substrate". I have had a lot that were black-bean and rice based, but also some that were soy- based (although I somewhat avoid soy outside of tofu because it messes with nutrient uptake in somewhat odd ways).

I find a lot of falafel sandwiches too, which are wonderful, esepcially with hummus.

Because vegetarians have to be a bit more strategic in what they eat, based on needing to target B-6 /B-12, iron, and Vitamin D, I think I have learned a lot about wonderful and unusual foods over the years.
95  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Projection Experiences! / Re: Months long experience at "The School"- Post-physical rest area on: November 03, 2013, 21:54:14
I remember watching that in the mid 90's too... that was one of Stewart's best Piccard performances.
96  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Projection Experiences! / Re: Months long experience at "The School"- Post-physical rest area on: November 03, 2013, 14:55:45
I remember you sharing the experience, Lionheart... you must really feel old with another full lifetime under your belt  wink

Some have said that there is an equivelancy in time conversion between the physical and various planes; I have heard some say the "astral" is a seven-to-one conversion with here, and that the "higher" planes are more like 200-to-one.

I think I doubt it actually works like that... like the world is some sort of clock-like machine and we are just on the hour hand here... I feel like the entire physical world experience is fully encapsulated in one grand timeline set, and we are free to jump in and out of it at various times like we were popping in a VHS cassette wound somewhere in the middle. Time probably exists, but not as a continuum... or so I surmise at least.

Astralzombie, I really don't know what the nature of that place was. Maybe they were there for their own benefit, maybe they weren't. The crushing lonesomeness of it all was quite a burden I could see... but maybe there was some positive side to it. Maybe they needed time for something, or to realize something, I don't know... I really wish I had definite knowledge I could have used for their benefit.
97  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Projection Experiences! / Months long experience at "The School"- Post-physical rest area on: November 03, 2013, 04:30:51
This particular projection really stood out for me, because it is the longest I can ever recall having had by a LONG margin.

Most of my experiences these days are ending up being lucid dreams where I escape the dream narritive for a full-fledged projection. This is mostly because being rather busy of late, I don't have the liberty of disrupting sleep with setting up early morning attempts as usual, but I seem have a knack for gaining lucidity in normal dreams.

What the particular dream was to start with I don't really recall, but after I "snapped into it, I found myself wandering briefly through various geometric light environments which were dazzling but bewildering (can't really say what that was about... sort of a hypnogaugic thing in some sense). Immediately after this, I was in the middle of what appeared to be a musical practice room. There were a few people sitting around in an arc, and the instructor was teaching someone to play a pedal harp (I think this was my own projected image, because I have always found that a fascinating instrument). I came to understand that we were all pupils in a sort of school, and we had many lessons which were sometimes interesting, and sometimes sort of "boring inflictions" upon us, lol. They weren't like life-lessons per se that I could see, but sort of basic accademic things. I got the impression that it wasn't the material that we were so much supposed to be learning from, but the environment of being there, with one another.

I got to know the other pupils very well, because they were my only peers (the instructors being cold and mechanical affairs; I got the impression it wasn't so much they didn't care about us, very much the opposite was the case, but I felt they were obligated somehow to be stern).

After some days of being there (and it was days literally) I began to get strange thoughts I hadn't had before. I sort of realized it was as though I had passed over the "River Styx" or some such... I couldn't remember what came before at all, or how I came to be there, and that disturbed me. Up to that point I had been caught up in the routine of lessons and sleeping and socializing and more lessons that I hadn't even considered questioning it all. I decided I must have had temporary amnesia or something, and that if I just continued on it would all work itself out somehow.

More lessons (history, musical practice, literature, botany ad nausium) filled most of the waking hours, and the time just seemd to flow by. But I started speaking to the others a bit more about my amnesia, and what it meant. They explained it eventually wore off, but that wasn't the worst of it. They told me near as anyone among them could see, that we must all be dead. Surprisingly that didn't bother me, I just sort of accepted I was dead, and that was that. I asked them if they had met their family members, but I immediately realized that was the exact wrong question. A desperate gloom settled over everyone present as someone simply explained that was all any of them wanted to do, and no one could really figure out how. A powerful wave of pity crept over me in that instant for the indescribable loss they all felt, and oddly I didn't seem to really seem to worry that I was in their exact position with them. I guess for them to be in that position was as immediate to me as myself being there. I guess I sort of have to explain at this point that conversation was mostly verbal, but that a manner of telepathic emotional resonance was present between all of the pupils as well, and this might account for that empathetic sharing.

I had no real way of counting time, because there were no calenders or weeks or any such thing, despite there being a wake / sleep cycle, so I really can't say how long this all continued, but in my mind, based on how many lessons had gone by, and how accustomed to it all I became, I feel like it must have been 3 months or so in our time.

I started to wonder what all these lessons were for afterall, but we were kept in childlike ignorance of the wherefores. The instructors carried on mercilessly and with purpose, while a mild frustration with not knowing what it was all for took hold. Another day after we finished lessons and were sitting in a sort of lounge without any sort of activity to occupy us, I asked a question of one of the others (I think his name was Peter, and I always thought of him as a fisherman, but I think that was another personal projection because of my knowledge of the biblical Peter"). I said, " You know, how long do I have to be here? I feel like I have been here for months (which was accurate) and I would really like to know when I can just move on. How long have you all been here?"

The reply, to paraphrase, was something like, "That isn't very long at all. We have all been here for so long we can't even put a number on it. This is the world to us and we have been here far longer than we have been any other place we can recall. We would ALL like to know when we will be released of this."

I replied, "That is a terrible thing to be sure."

He went on, "Well, this isn't the worst place to be. It just is what it is. Perhaps we should be thankful we are here because maybe it is among the best places one could be. But we would all like to know what else there is..."

The terrible thing for me in that whole exchange was combining that new knowledge with what was said earlier about how they all missed their families so much and had no knowledge of them... thinking about how long they had been in such a severed limbo. And everyone understood what I was thinking and all contemplated the terrifying weight of all that ceaseless longing. I understood then that that was why no one ever seemed to want to do anything when they weren't taking lessons... they were crippled with loss, and nothing in this environement could really take their mind off of that for long. We were thrown into this place of unending drudgery that only seemed temporarily to take their mind off of their own inner sufferings. I didn't really seem to share their lot to the extent that they all were so totally immobilized by it, but I got the impression that maybe that would change with time. But at the close of that conversation, It was as though I had overflowed. I was so consumed with the bottomless depth of their emotional suffering that I receded into myself, and in that very moment I came back to waking reality.

I have to say I am really drained for the emotional exertition that place and experience cost me. I haven't a clear idea what it was, but I suppose it may be the same sort of "rest area" that some projectors have experienced as hospitals; the people there are dead and are in the process of moving on, but in some sense are emotionally damaged or traumatized. If the place really exists as I think it does, I wish there was something I could do for those occupying it, but I haven't been able to return.

Have any of you experienced similar, or had one of these overwhelming projections that compress months worth of experience into a few physical hours?

I had heard such long projections happened, but this the only one near that length I have ever had.
98  Dreams / Welcome to Dreams! / Re: Hero Dreams on: October 31, 2013, 02:04:48
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Still was talking about "looping" in specific while I was talking about retrievals in general.

Don't mind me, I tend to contemplate angels dancing on pin-heads a bit too closely, lol. rolleyes

99  Dreams / Welcome to Dreams! / Re: Hero Dreams on: October 30, 2013, 15:03:38
Yes but that is a property of projections in general- that they are capable of gathering verifiable information about some state of the physical world. What I am referring to as fringe is the mechanic- the exercise of repeating a certain experience to gain insight from it. No one that I can tell has a definitive answer for why that happens or how it came to be so structured. For instance you can have a looping experience where you relive the life of a Victorian person you can later identify by name and place; this doesn't explain who or what caused you to have that experience in the first place.
100  Dreams / Welcome to Dreams! / Re: Hero Dreams on: October 27, 2013, 14:31:54
Well, fringe in the sense that not that many have experienced it here, and that there appears insuffcient information to make a judgement about what it means. Fringe as in... who really knows why it happens?

I am simply pointing out that I think it firmly lies in area that we can explore, but only speculate about.
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