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76  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Consciousness! / Re: Without all the B.S... how to experience out pf body experience (video) on: October 28, 2015, 09:25:27
I mostly agree with the above.

I think he has gotten himself pretty far along the path by leaning on assumptions and 19th century ideas about the structure of the metaphysical world, as well as some vedic notions.

I think it is pretty funny that he calls himself "master of wisdom". If it is a joke, ok, that is fine. If it isn't... that is worrying lol.

Ditto on what Xanth said. My conception of this whole business is more that the entire experience is happening in our physical brains, and that the realities our brain constructs for us to inhabit in those moments may sometimes allow us to get into contact with the greater reality beyond ourselves. What I am sure this stuff isn't, is a silver ghosty leaving a body to go on adventures. I am go more into depth about why I think this later if you would like.

It weirds me out a little that he is doing this talk before "students" of his, which does suggest to me he takes the title of "master" seriously. It is one thing to put your ideas out as a YT video for others to interpret, and I think that is pretty standard.  It is another thing to film yourself proclaiming the truth of your ideas before others, as something they ought to believe. See the subtle distinction there?
77  Psychic and Paranormal / Welcome to Psychic and Paranormal! / Re: The Black Knight Satellite on: October 26, 2015, 17:44:44
I vote Szaxx the projection trainer for the Jedi pre-school.
78  Psychic and Paranormal / Welcome to Psychic and Paranormal! / Re: The Black Knight Satellite on: October 26, 2015, 11:19:34
Yes, I have heard of it.

The "Black Knight Satellite" is largely held to be a closeup of a piece of orbiting debris left over from a past launch.

Satellites and objects like this one aren't the sort of thing it would be likely you would ever encounter, for a few reasons.

The first is that, supposing it was possible to have a projection which was a perfect recreation of the physical world (which I doubt), objects like this are beyond miniscule in comparison to the volume of orbital space they occupy. When spacecraft are in orbit, they never see satellites they haven't expressly manuevered to rendeyzvous with. Imagine how big a basketball looks from 8 miles away. Then multiply that distance by 10. You just shouldn't rationally be seeing things that are that small and distant.

For the next reason, let us now suppose that you were projecting on a mission with the intention to view these satellites. Would you see satellites in that case? Absolutely. But the reality is that your expectation of what you wanted to be up there will probably color your entire experience. It is very difficult to separate expectation from external information, sadly.
79  World Cultures, Traditions and Religions / Welcome to World Cultures, Traditions and Religions! / Re: Should we do AP on: October 19, 2015, 11:32:18
I am an evolutionist.

I never understood why people chose THAT as their battleground. I don't see what there is in modern evolutionary theory that a Christian should take issue with, nor honestly do I see what in the projection experience relates to evolution, and proving or disproving it.

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Also, I'm not sure if scripture tells us much about AP.

The Vedic Upanishad scriptures say a good deal about projection. There is also a bit in Jewish Kaballah about projecting via a "Merkabah Vehicle", which I take to mean a belief about projecting with a subtle body.
There are certain Bible passages that are said to relate to projection as well, but you have to use a bit of imagination there. The burning bush, Jacob wrestling the angel, and a few other instances have been interpreted in this context.

I think you need to filter what these folks are saying to you. Don't disregard them, but consider what they are saying carefully. Is it possible that they are merely attributing things which they have no experience with or understanding of to demons? Will they make similar conclusions about any other practices? And if so, what basis do they have for making these claims? Is the reasoning that anything outside of Biblical discussion isn't meant for man? Consider that no scientific discovery over the last 2000 years appears in the Bible explicitly. Wouldn't this make every part of the modern world demonic?

Hope that help! wink
80  Spiritual Evolution / Welcome to Spiritual Evolution! / Re: Is earth the ultimate challenge for spirit beings? on: October 09, 2015, 02:18:02
I am honestly surprised that site still exists. Notice the last new material goes back to 2008-2009, and the design itself belongs to the early internet.

There were a lot of sites like it in the late 90's, when the internet began to widely become used to spread information about alternative metaphysics.

That particular one is concerned with "Instrumental transcommunication" (ITC), which you might know by the more common name "electronic voice phenomenon" (EVP).

The particular movement which emphasizes the value of EVP generally connects itself back to the 1800's spiritualist/theosophist movement. Much of the information there is straight out of that time period too, which should tell you it is pretty dated thinking.

The chart you see is the result of filtering 19th-century thought through the lens of the New Age movement revisited in the 90s. That should tell you all you need to know, but if you want it more plainly, that chart is worse than useless, because it is a claim to know the structure of the metaphysical world, which is utterly beyond human comprehension. Convincing yourself you have knowledge that you don't, as the chart makers did, leaves you worse than ignorant.   

Anyone who uses terms like "mental plane", "causal plane", "atmic", etc is parroting those mid-90's folks.

Any child can draw a treasure map.

Thomas Campbell, and William Buhlman are good sources of information, as they are relatively free of these types of silliness. After you have gone through the ideas of one of those folks, who have their heads on straightest, Robert Monroe's books might be interesting to you, and you might be in a better place to filter his assumptions by that point.

Hope that is helpful! wink
81  Spiritual Evolution / Welcome to Spiritual Evolution! / Re: Is earth the ultimate challenge for spirit beings? on: October 08, 2015, 15:51:00
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What stage do you guys think we are at in our spiritual journey? do you think earth and the physical is somewhere near the start of the journey? or maybe we where at a much higher density and decided to come to earth?

Too rigid, too Aristotelian.

I don't think it is all so structured like that, where it is like a video game, and this is level 4, or 22, or what have you. We are all here... and we may be here for different reasons too. I suspect most of us are here to have experiences for the sake of experiences themselves. Reading more into it, such as that we are on a journey to become better, or more advanced, etc, I think is human thinking trying to apply the hierarchies we see in human society and experience onto reality.

I think we simply don't have the perspective from our current vantage to say what precisely this reality is for.
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I think earth has to be one of the most challenging places to live, maybe its seen as a large leap forward for your development if you choose to come here?

Compared to what? Life on Andromeda Six? Existence as a gas cloud being living in a nebula? Or that time you were a geometric shape being in the flashy light plane?

Again, a perspective issue. Most of us don't have access to enough data about our other existences to put our earth experience somewhere on a peg against other existences. I am sure it is much more intense than some, and much tamer than others.

There is something in science called the "mediocrity principle", and it states that if you find one of something, there are probably more of them somewhere, and the one you found is not likely to be a particularly outstanding or unique example. It is generally applied to the earth and solar system, to inductively reason that there are probably many such systems, and I don't see why we shouldn't apply it to our current existence either, which there are probably countless, many of which are likely to be significantly more extreme.

82  Energy Body and The Chakras / Welcome to Energy Body and The Chakras / Re: Is it Kundalini? on: October 03, 2015, 00:40:02
If nothing else, I would urge you to be careful with the term. So much has been written about it, and people with diverse life experiences have attributed everything under the sun to it.

There is basically no common narrative to the whole concept. If you read up on the accounts of others, they will lead you to have expectations of what "Kundalini" is, and those expectation may trouble you needlessly.

I have had my own experiences a couple times which fit the popular notions on some points but not others. But it is worth mentioning that idea now has so many attributes attached to it that anyone could suppose, as I did, that they might have been involved with it.

I would say throw out expectations like that, and let your experiences be your own!

I wish you well with the migraine issue too, that stuff is not fun at all.
83  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: If thoughts affect reality, what is a thought? on: September 27, 2015, 23:01:02
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[Axiom #3]
The projection of IDEA from STILLNESS is achieved solely by MIND.

Thanks for the effort Dreamingod...

But to be honest, I don't have the slightest notion what that might mean. It is phrased with quite a lot of authority, and calling it an axiom as Walter Russel does suggests it is a foundational truth that his reasoning is built on. As a foundational truth, he should do better to elucidate what he is talking about I am afraid.

I mean it seems to be a statement about the primacy of consciousness, but it makes no mention about mechanics. It sort of reminds me of the way people get a bit short-tempered with Deepak Chopra because he will use a sequence of phrases that means something to him but is utterly indecipherable to any audience he could expect to have, regardless of their qualifications. That is one of the challenges of philosophy... communicating your ideas in a way that they are lucid to others.

Walter's ideas here are about the way in which consciousness projects the illusion of a physical world.

To me they are expressing THAT thought is building this reality. But they aren't addressing WHAT a thought is. That is Beavis' premise here... that no one has offered an explanation for what the nature of thoughts is. I don't expect the question to be answered here, because it is seemingly beyond any of humanity's best and brightest to offer explanation for at this time.
84  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: If thoughts affect reality, what is a thought? on: September 27, 2015, 07:46:25
Hello Stillwater,
                       I was drinking when I wrote that so you may have to give me a moment to honour you with a plausible reply. Wink

Ha, no worries! I had a feeling you might have been playing there- I gave a serious answer nonetheless because it is one of the central mysteries of existence to me, and is a fundamental question about the structure of reality  wink
85  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: If thoughts affect reality, what is a thought? on: September 26, 2015, 10:46:38
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Thought is the cause

Ok, but what is the cause of the cause? What causes the thought? When I have them, they don't feel like choices, but more like spontaneous happenings in most cases.

If I choose to have them, then isn't the choice itself a thought, and who or what chose that thought?

There seems to be a "me the experiencer"... a consciousness that has has perceptions / qualia; there is something it is like to "be" me. I seem to experience thoughts that are a summary of actions I am about to take, but how I decide (if I even am deciding) is a mystery to me.
86  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Professional MMA Fighters use OBE in the ring on: September 25, 2015, 02:20:22
Listening to the Joe Rogan clip, I am not completely sure what the fighter is describing. I think the language "out of body experience" has sort of been co-opted by common vernacular speech to mean a lot of different things.

There are neural disorders that will cause a person not to recognize their own body as being them, and will actually identify it as something foreign. A person with this disorder will think of their own hands as though they belong to another person.

That sounds very much like what this fighter is experiencing... I wonder if the intensity of the moment for this person shuts off that same neural center?

That is my guess at least!
87  Spiritual Evolution / Welcome to Spiritual Evolution! / Re: Is earth the ultimate challenge for spirit beings? on: September 21, 2015, 00:07:29
Think about how in history humans have had the tendency to declare their domain the center of the universe. The Chinese called their land the "Middle Kingdom". Humans from the Egyptians up through the Renaissance called the earth the center of the universe... only to find that not only did the earth in fact revolve around the sun instead, the solar system itself doesn't seem intrinsically special among star systems.

This doesn't seem that different. This physical universe alone is a dazzlingly massive place. Doesn't it seem a bit grandiose to suggest that the human perspective is the most important thing in it? Especially as a human, lol...

I have no conclusive evidence to say what purpose our existence here even serves in the greater scheme. I have my own ideas, but nothing to support them other than speculation. For what it is worth, Lumaza's conception of things here is what I most gravitate toward in that regard.
88  Metaphysics / Welcome to Metaphysics! / Re: Has anyone seen 'The Shard' on the moon? on: September 19, 2015, 19:59:31
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It might be a UFO disguised as a rock.

Because there are more rocks in the world than UFO's disguised as rocks, I would err on the side of saying anything that looks like a rock and is among rocks is most likely a rock.

It may be a rock or meteorite that impacted at a shallow angle, and left a grazing path as it dug into the surface. Or maybe it was a rock that rolled down a hill.

 
89  Metaphysics / Welcome to Metaphysics! / Re: Has anyone seen 'The Shard' on the moon? on: September 19, 2015, 02:38:20
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What do you think of this one?

That was on the moon in the 60s

Facehugger.



When I see images like the moon spider, the first thing I think is:

Ok, the obvious reading of the image and ones like it is a positive form- meaning the light-colored space in the image is all one object. Our visual processing in our brain makes this leap for us naturally.

So knowing that we have this subconscious bias, is there a chance it could actually be a negative form? Meaning the light colored space isn't a thing, but it is the absence of things (like a hole)? The light-colored region would be a part of the lunar surface that is either a different material, or is angled at such a direction as to be more reflective to light, and is being overlapped by darker crags and rocks.

Maybe the image is showing a dark object with light highlights around it... that is a harder argument to make, because the highlights seem pretty unlikely, but it is possible.

And finally... maybe it IS a robotic spider! Hard to really say which of the above it is. Most of the doubt arises from the resolution of the image.

90  Metaphysics / Welcome to Metaphysics! / Re: Has anyone seen 'The Shard' on the moon? on: September 19, 2015, 02:18:29
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What bothers me is the fact that they're not checking out things that need to be checked out.  Now that last video I posted really sucked but this a good one. Mike Bara is both a good speaker and a good writer. He gets to the point, makes his case and supports it. Whether or not you agree with him he's a good watch and a decent read. My only complaint is he gets a little gossipy in the book about people he thinks are hiding things. He has no idea why they are doing it and shows little empathy. If there is a high clearance attached to the material it's under a death threat or threat of charges of high treason which still carries the death penelty.

I think this is the updated video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqRwsoWdzWU if not it's in there somewhere

Watched Bara's video, and he does highlight some interesting anomalies on Mars and Phobos. I find the tetrahedral mountains in particular to be quite interesting. But honestly other times it feels like he is really grasping at straws, and it bothers me how convinced he is of his conclusion.

Here is an example:





What is this? Alien artifacts? Tool for manipulating space time?

It is crystalized Bismuth, a naturally occurring element.

Our universe is a splendid place, and it will surprise you again and again. It is full of baffling patterns that seem like they shouldn't have happened... but they do, and repeatedly. Proclaiming like Bara does here that something must have been the work of intelligent hands because it has geometry does not account for things like the above.

But I agree, they are still pretty cool, and more than worth investigation. Who really knows what they are... I think there will be a big movement toward the end of the century when rocketry has been a bit more privatized (as is the current trend) toward investigating some of these anomalies which NASA and ESA seem largely disinterested in.

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The second part of your quote here is interesting for a different reason. I have thought of this question a bit, off and on. Let's suppose that some group of government employees is aware of extraterrestrial life in some form. What are some logical reasons that would give them pause from sharing this information?

I can think of a few, and some of them may be legitimate.

For instance, say that the beings were known to be actively hostile in some way? Well, the government can offer no promise of protection from them. So they would be introducing a problem and a fear to the world to which they have no answer. I think most people would rather remain ignorant of a threat to which they had no protection, and in that sense those withholding information would be doing them a favor.

Suppose even less than that is known about them? Let us say that perhaps a government group is aware that their craft are visiting, and that they have inexplicably high operating methods. None of the occupants have ever been seen, and nothing is known about them at all, besides the fact that they exist. I think that too would be troubling to the population to be aware of. Other intelligent beings which hold humans in such low regard that they are not worth even talking to or declaring themselves. That bespeaks a frighteningly cold air to them, and there is no telling what they would be capable of, or what potential harm they might inflict. In all honesty this situation is much like the above. If you take it a few logical steps, you have given the public something to be deathly afraid of, and offer no solutions.

Suppose by some offchance these beings, which haven't declared themselves to the public in any direct way, were in fact in communication with governments, and they were overwhelmingly positive in their actions? Well from a government standpoint, I can see why you wouldn't want to go and tell people about them... it would make earth governments seen provincial and small by comparison. What is a government by definition? It is the group that holds the monopoly and sole right to the use of force in a defined geographic space. Government is defined by power. To admit you have power over quite little in comparison to what is available is quite embarrassing. The concept that the population has entire worlds they can visit, and places they can go to be outside of the jurisdiction of world governments entirely will cause people to immediately question the legitimacy of governments to rule over them.

So whatever the case is, should there be information on this subject that is indeed being withheld, I can think of convincing reasons why.
91  Astral Chat / Welcome to News and Media! / Re: Pluto Mystery on: September 19, 2015, 01:33:38


http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/pluto-illuminated-by-the-sun-in-dramatic-new-nasa-photos/article26394668/

Some new photos released today from the July flyby.

These never get old to me. 
92  Metaphysics / Welcome to Metaphysics! / Re: Has anyone seen 'The Shard' on the moon? on: September 16, 2015, 19:26:14
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There was also a crustation like thing photographed by Curiousity. I wouldn't want to meet it in a dark ally.



That is one of the more interesting shots I have seen.

Normally when I see these things people point out, they are very obviously pareidolia- people looking to see whatever they want to see by looking for patterns in lots of random noise like images of rocks.

I will have to admit that really does look like some kind of arthropod. But the next step that forces to me... if that is what it is, what does it eat? Where are the martian versions of algaes or planktons or bugs or worms it is eating? Even in a desert landscape on earth, rarely do you run into one isolated animal, without other organisms somewhere in sight. It is strange to me there would be all these candidates for animal life people are seeing in the images, but not a single plant-like organism of any kind anywhere in sight...

Which is not to say there won't be interesting artifacts on Mars... I think we stand at least a decent chance of running into something novel, provided we searched a wide enough area. My best guess for what the first thing would be, if we ever found anything, would be something like a "von Neumman probe"- if other intelligences are exploring this galaxy, a self-replicating probe is the sort of thing that will likely be scattered everywhere; we are less than 100 years from being able to build such things ourselves most likely, and we aren't shy about broadcasting our technological developments, so given that we aren't likely to be unique, I assume the galaxy is littered with the damn things. The only question is... would they be car-sized, baseball-sized, marble-sized, or bacterium-sized? We might not really be looking for the right things, and for all we know, the earth itself is swarming with millions of inconspicuous bacterium-sized von Neumman probes too.
93  Metaphysics / Welcome to Metaphysics! / Re: Has anyone seen 'The Shard' on the moon? on: September 15, 2015, 03:27:23
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I bout @%! myself when I got the feedback too. I thought I was offtarget.  Now I'm not so sure.

Doing targets blindly removes the bias of the remote viewer, for the most part. But it doesn't account for the bias of the target supplier, unless there are controls provided for the viewing experiment.

For instance, if the only target for that session was the moon, regardless if you as the remote viewer were in on that or not (which of course you weren't), there is no baseline for the types of random "noise" your remote viewing is producing. If I was organizing that session, I would have provided a number of highly mundane targets to serve as controls. If in that case only the moon target produced an interesting result, it would add more interest to that result.

Is this how your session actually went, Blue? Did they provide you with a bunch of false-target mundanes to get a baseline control from you, or was it only a few targets?
94  Metaphysics / Welcome to Metaphysics! / Re: Has anyone seen 'The Shard' on the moon? on: September 13, 2015, 12:56:30
I love Hoagland's spirit... but man, he sees what he wants to see in any shot of a celestial body.
95  Metaphysics / Welcome to Metaphysics! / Re: Has anyone seen 'The Shard' on the moon? on: September 10, 2015, 01:05:39
You have to do it blind. It doesn't matter if you are oobe or CRV. I have the targets in unmarked envelopes and some targets out of target pools in there mixed in to create doubt. Your expectations will generate the scenes you see.

I second this. This has been relayed by remote viewers for years. You get far more interesting and potentially accurate results viewing a place you didn't choose and have no pre-conceived notions about.
96  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Consciousness! / Re: How many of you can say this is REAL? on: August 20, 2015, 04:30:01
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But 'scientists' like Dawkins, Tyson (although they have their deserved credits in their field) etc. mislead people when they pretend to be qualified to talk metaphysics. They don't. They have no clue. They are just 'gurus' of the other kind, feeding into their sheep with the dull materialist belief system.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0-jKmcNr_8

Sometimes they behave as true scientists, and aren't afraid to do the Socratic thing and admit there are great mysteries out there they haven't answered. For instance, in this panel, Richard Dawkins and Bill Nye both openly admit that the nature of consciousness is baffling. Tyson suggests that consciousness is some sort of persistent illusion, and Bill Nye immediately points out how ridiculous that suggestion is lol.
97  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Consciousness! / Re: How many of you can say this is REAL? on: August 19, 2015, 02:57:24
You may have heard the phrase, "A collection of anecdotes does not a statistic make".

A large group of people can be very wrong, deceived, lying, etc, and so having more reports shouldn't be more convincing to a person who appreciates the empiricism of a speaker like Tyson.

I do appreciate the spirit of this topic though, so wouldn't mind sharing my own meager offerings a bit latter when I have more time.
98  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: What is the heart of your ethics? on: July 28, 2015, 05:18:58
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law. Love is the law. Love under will.

That was Alistair Crowley's phrasing of an old Pagan dictum.

I sort of like how the later Wiccans chose to phrase it...

"And it harm none, do what you will."
99  Astral Chat / Welcome to News and Media! / Re: Pluto Mystery on: July 26, 2015, 11:07:21
Yeah... my home country's finest hour... getting humans off the earth and setting foot on another celestial body, with a digital watch computer for guidance.

I hope they don't do something so stupid that anything but that is what we are remembered by when this era of history has faded.
100  Magic / Welcome to Magic! / Re: Magick Room on: July 24, 2015, 16:19:09
Agreed. But your feelings about the objects themselves will affect your mental state, so it is good to be surrounded by things you have positive feelings about. My musical instruments have names and they definitely enhance the room, hehe.
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