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126  Spiritual Evolution / Welcome to Spiritual Evolution! / Re: Spirituality and Sobriety on: July 18, 2017, 22:28:53
The chemicals themselves are meaningless.
The "INTENT" (there's that word again!) behind *WHY* you take them is all that matters.

Do you just enjoy having a drink once in a while?
Do you just prefer a bit of salt on your meals?
Are you trying to escape from this reality?

It's all about INTENT.  Intent is what drives your spiritual growth.

Pretty good answer, I like it, but I'll delve deeper into the edge cases.

What if your best intentions yield a bad result?

I really enjoy playing e-sport video games. They are a cesspool of miserable people honestly, due to the dopamine mechanics. Winning, or rather, participating to your fullest in these events gives a tremendous high. The brain anticipates this high and encourages the behavior that leads to it, for the first 5 minutes of the game.

When things start looking bad (the brain realizes the hit isn't coming) you get the punishment (reduced dopamine output). At this point players lash out at their allies or any blame factor in frustration, classic addiction behavior.

I caught onto this pattern a long time ago and have tried to modify my attitude to avoid it by not being attached winning or even having a fun experience. Fundamentally though, the brain doesn't care what your intent is for this particular session. You either get the hit that your brain remembers from last time or you get the punishment.

I am left wondering what the answer is:

a) Modify your intent such that any result yields the same dopamine hit.

Not sure if that is practically achievable. Some results are always going to be better than others or we live a mono existence with no direction.

b) Accept the low as being a possible outcome and call the intent OK.

Achievable but maintains the status quo.

c) Quit any activity or behavior where your intent doesn't yield the correct results.

Not really a good rule of thumb, quitting the activity just because the result isn't always correct could lead to harm too.


At the extreme of the concept of eating salt I wonder whether any amount of intent can defeat the brain's ability to remember the reward. Simultaneously pursuing a sober existence is practically impossible in the modern day where even looking at an image of a landscape on a computer is more stimulation than a wild human's brain is prepared for.

I wonder what happens when the chemicals go away; how does addiction operate in pure consciousness beings.
127  Spiritual Evolution / Welcome to Spiritual Evolution! / Spirituality and Sobriety on: July 18, 2017, 10:49:32
Is there any point to pursuing sobriety in the life experience as a human?

Some people take this concept to the extreme - denying themselves of even the most basic stimulant such as eating salt on food.

I have recently learned that pornography can measurably change brain behavior to the point that it is equal or more damaging than some drug addictions. Similarly those that suffer ADHD experience reduced dopamine sensitivity to the point of losing interest in reality.

I have had ADHD most of my life, diagnosed by a child psychologist. I look back at my life and think, what part of it hasn't been addiction?

You may disagree but after learning more about the way dopamine acts in the brain I have come to think that every human behavior is rooted in addiction. It is not possible to experience something enjoyable, regardless of whether it is positive or negative, without the brain attaching to that behavior and lamenting its absence.

For instance consider a parent's love for their child or an athlete that loves sports. On a chemical level it is the same as a drug addiction.

We tend to ignore positive addictions and gloss over the ones we aren't aware of. Consider addiction to the comfort of being warm, a luxury many early humans didn't enjoy often.

What is the point of sobriety? Is it even possible for the human mind? Is quitting eating salt wasting a lifetime of possible experiences?

Sometimes I wonder if astral projection is such a great experience that it dominates the human mind. Perhaps this is why the projection experiences I have never live up to a fraction of what I know they can be.
128  Spiritual Evolution / Welcome to Spiritual Evolution! / When I die I want to - Fear of death topic on: July 18, 2017, 09:45:27
I often find myself thinking about things I would like to do after dying.


For instance, I think of friends I enjoyed time with in the golden days of certain gaming communities. We are unlikely to have reason to come together again in this reality, but I would look forward to seeing them again in an environment with less limitations.

I feel like my entire life in this reality I have fantasized about being able to fly freely across the land. It is an experience feel is achievable through astral projection, but it hasn't happened for me yet. On one hand I'm not worried about never achieving it and add it to the mental bucket list of things to do after I die.


Then comes the rub. What is really left of our minds post death?

Enough to remember a bucket list or friends?

I suppose I fear the recycling process of consciousness destroying the things I love. Erasing the context that makes the events special. Creating a new perspective that makes experiences I value irrelevant.

Do you have a bucket list for post death? Should we feel like these things need to be done through astral projection during this life time to really be meaningful?
129  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: What have you learned about the fundamentals of the universe? on: July 15, 2017, 23:36:20
Allow me to disagree. My belief is that "Pure Unconditional Love" is an utopian concept, that would be counterproductive to souls' development. Souls don't incarnate to learn or achieve it. So far I haven't heard a convincing counterargument.

Pure Unconditional Love (PUL) sounds like the one of the most productive things I can imagine. It is near the ultimate incentive to participate at ones fullest. PUL doesn't mean becoming a vegetable in a dimension of bliss - there is still rational responsibility to act with the best intent in mind.

I will admit that it is difficult to be PUL in this reality since humans need to destroy other beings to survive at our current level. I think one of the keys of PUL is that it also applies to yourself. Isn't it reasonable to think that we could love another person and a head of broccoli equally, yet prioritize the person as having more potential to contribute to the system in the long run?
130  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: What have you learned about the fundamentals of the universe? on: July 15, 2017, 01:35:51
I believe that when souls begin incarnating as humans they have only rudimentary reasoning capability, and are dominated by emotions.

The physical plane, being a less thought responsive environment, allows souls to gradually learn to master their emotions; in the non-physical, emotions like fear quickly spiral out of control creating nightmarish situations.

As humans, souls develop their reasoning while having to solve problems, and participating in various forms of training.

It doesn't make sense to me that we would incarnate in order to "learn to love", and even less to "love unconditionally". I even feel that pursuing such a quest is counterproductive to both reasoning development, and learning to master our emotions.

I kind of agree but will suggest a different angle in addition. In less structured realities there is an "undo button" for almost any scenario and that makes it difficult to learn to make effective choices. One of the benefits of this reality is that there are consequences for your actions that cannot be taken back.

Why do you think that learning to love is counter productive to reasoning and emotional mastery though?

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While on the physical plane, inherently, souls accumulate karma that will have to be cleared. Karma is that which determines what lives we'll live, what experiences we'll go through.

I dunno about that. Karma is a commonly misunderstood concept. The word means action and it refers to how taking an action associates you with other events at a similar level. The idea of some kind of balancing force has always been misinterpretation as far as I understand.

I will admit that people might repeat lessons they fail to learn but I am not sure what that has to do with Karma.
131  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: What have you learned about the fundamentals of the universe? on: July 13, 2017, 21:48:01
Rather than learning to love - what if the purpose is more about learning to experience and pursue the quest of success?

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What's the quickest way for a group of people to succeed?  Love

Not necessarily true. The quickest way for people to succeed is to use whatever the most effective strategy is that we can muster. Is said strategy sometimes or a lot of the time, love? Perhaps, but I think it would be a mistake to assume that love is the end game and that is locked in for eternity.

The logical conclusion for me is that the point is to find the logical conclusion based on ever growing experience data. Learning to love may only be a bi-product of the actual quest.
132  Magic / Welcome to Magic! / Re: New to magic, need help please on: July 11, 2017, 06:28:43
My experience is that you will have a lot of trouble convincing a devout Christian that anything paranormal (magic, Claire-senses, astral projection, premonitions, telepathy) is not the work of the Satan. I struggle with my elder brother on this matter.

Fundamentally the book (bible) says psychic = witchcraft = Satan. For some people you will be unable to penetrate any issue that goes against what is written in the book because it is viewed as unassailable and beyond rational arguments. Those people are stuck in a belief trap, but if someone is willing to entertain new ideas and has an open mind you can try these rational arguments.

1) Only for good use - some people believe that our reality is intelligent in the sense that it can predict if psychic information is likely to result in net growth or recession for those involved. If the outcome is negative, the information is simply blocked. The powers simply aren't available for Satanic purpose. I haven't seen any evidence to the contrary - yet mediums and so forth that deliver valuable information do it with pure intent.

2) Satan is a metaphor - The word just means to be alone. You will find that almost every satanic act is about selfishness and destruction one way or another, whereas the path of god is that of unity and creation. I really don't think it is useful to imagine that there is a boogie man waiting to get you if you step out of line - that is a fear tactic used to control people - what matters is not picking the satanic path.

3) We don't really know what god wants - No one here can pretend they can even begin to start to touch the mentality of god. If you think you know, you are wrong. Don't be obsessed with the book because it will only ever be a crude translation. Many of the aspects of god described in the bible don't make sense for even a highly loving human, such as jealousy and revenge, let alone an angel or god.
133  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Consciousness! / Re: Quick loss of consciousness on: July 09, 2017, 21:06:56
Yes, I have found impatience, boredom and needing or wanting an outcome to all be considerable blockers. In addition to enjoying and being in the now, a mindset of detachment can be effective - especially for dealing with any fear scenario. The type of detachment I am talking about is like enduring a Sauna for as long as one can. You acknowledge the feeling of the heat and the bodily urge to leave, but you remain mentally calm and disjointed from those impulses, as if you are an observer of the discomfort only rather than the subject.
134  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: What have you learned about the fundamentals of the universe? on: July 08, 2017, 22:09:00
Is the "3D shared experience universe" infinite? The pure physical 3D plus time one we all seem to share our minds in? I have no idea - have not run into copies of myself yet. We can only see out to what 13 billion light years?.. but the universe seems to be infinite yes, due to its uniformity and other reasons. And that in itself opens up a whole can of worms. Multiple versions of yourself being a mathematical inevitability then. Add the various infinite higher densities on top of that construct as well as the various "universes" inside waking minds that do not get shared like this one and it gets mind numbing.

I don't think we would be likely to find alternate versions of ourselves, REALLY far away, within the "same" physical reality.

The Copenhagen interpretation of quantum physics, which most physicists back today, describes all probable locations of a given particle being encoded into the particle.

Under this interpretation there has to be alternate versions of ourselves that fit a bell curve of probable outcomes, but they are unresolved in terms of a real consciousness collapsing the wave form into an actualized event in our timeline.

We can still experience these unresolved probable outcomes as a dream. It is likely that we do this all the time - if you need a given dream scenario just pull the data out of someone's probable reality.

But what about "real" alternate versions of ourselves that are actualized and have their own separate branches of alternate probable universes? I can't imagine how we would ever prove their existence, but conceptually, to get the most bang for your buck out of simulating a reality like this you might want to make the occasional hard copy of a reality that explores a slightly alternate branch with a high probability of "spiritual success".
135  Metaphysics / Welcome to Quantum Physics! / Re: World Is A Simulation on: July 06, 2017, 21:26:28
Either or. Take your pick.
 To fully understand a Human's mind, you need to be Human as well. So, why wouldn't it work the other way around?

I guess I view extra terrestrials as cousins of humans with a comparable, but more complex and higher level, consciousness. We can understand what life might be like to a limited degree for another physical matter reality incarnated being.

A celestial being on the other hand is totally outside of our frame of reference to even imagine in my view. The reason I make the distinction is that it is odd to think that extra terrestrials are governing our minds when they may be just co-operative players in the same game we are playing.

I do agree that an extra terrestrial would possibly have trouble understanding our minds. A celestial on the other hand should have the ability to be our mind - see every detail - and have a greater understanding than we do ourselves.

It should be well and truly possible to understand a human mind or an alien mind with basic levels of psychic ability shouldn't it?
136  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Projection Experiences! / Re: First time after a long time trying, unexpected and confused on: July 06, 2017, 20:39:38
The thing is, Im confused what that was. Was it a lucid dream or was I finally able to astral project?
There's things that put me off, cus there was not much there. No entities at all, it was dark (could be cus of emotions or fear cus i was honestly a bit scared of it). There was no vivid colors like i read it would be online (it was pretty though). I could not leave, because there was no doors. Now that I think back I didn't look at myself, like I used to do in lucid dreams. (Looking at my hands as they distort would make me go lucid) nor did I check or see a silver cord. Im fully aware that I was there but not sure 100% where or what that was.

Sounds like a wake induced lucid dream. I have had a pretty similar house experience to this from a wake induction.

It turns out that "was it astral projection" is a fairly arbitrary question because the experiences exist on a continuum and it is difficult to categorize. The category of experiences such as the house can range from an apparently mundane dream to exciting virtual reality video-game-esque adventures.

I think what we really are talking about is "was it a hyper or higher reality experience" ie: the vivid colors, silver cords and thriving dimension of blissful entities. It is the experience we come to expect from astral projection - a friend of mine had one of these types of experiences and that is what spurred me to get into doing this.

It has now been 2 years and out of maybe 300 memorable experiences there hasn't been anything comparable to the hyper reality described by Frank Kepple for instance.

Maybe the hyper reality is more subjective than we imagine, or perhaps we are banned from reaching it prior to achieving a certain level of spiritual evolution. Perhaps it is uncommon to find yourself there by accident and you need to manually raise your awareness - which also requires prerequisite skill. Sometimes I feel like I have been banned from having such an experience because it would be too amazing in contrast to my experiences here and cause some kind of mental regression.

Keep pursuing the hyper reality in my opinion. I think there is a reason this place gets stuck in the back of our minds; the information I channel says that it is important to have a concept of higher dimensions to realize your potential post-mortum.
137  Metaphysics / Welcome to Quantum Physics! / Re: World Is A Simulation on: July 05, 2017, 21:47:46
Alien mind!?

Are we talking about philosophically alien entities, something born and native to the non physical, or the spirits of extra terrestrials from other planets in ours or similar universes.

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Thaomas- I initially agree wholeheartedly with your response, with a few minor exceptions. The larger point is to be open to these wider perspectives and to consider what they are indicating. This is the stretch of perspective that we need.

We, as humans, consume multiple lifeforms for our sustenance- plants and animals. If we give even the slightest acceptance to their having some credence to life and consciousness, then what does that say about our consumption, much less our casting into the trash elements we don't want to consider further? How is that different from a greater consciousness casting back into the 'soup of consciousness' some undesireable bits of us that haven't worked out to their expectations? What makes us so special?
With respect to our consumption I suppose it means we have found ourselves in an unfortunate predicament where the only way we know how to stay alive is by destroying other life forms.

I think there are major differences between that and the greater consciousness idea. If we kill and eat a wild animal we aren't enforcing a true death upon that being and our motive is coming from a place of necessity rather than judgement or a sense of superiority.

I somehow suspect that greater consciousness isn't in a rat race predicament such as the one "they" created for us wherein they have no choice but to eat us. I don't think anything makes us special except for maybe our niavety?

What makes the greater consciousness special? Higher perspective, higher responsibility, leading by example, respecting beings and not controlling them for personal gain.

We in the spiritual community are told not to fear death and that there is no true death, however, this is probably false! If your consciousness doesn't measure up to expectations you will experience true death as your consciousness is forcibly modified. "John, today you will become Jake. It will be as if you were always Jake and all recollection of John will be gone".

Indeed, my attitude is fiery, but I don't want to give the impression that I am bitter about any of this. It is just a fun debate for me.

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Both DeMarco's book and Cannon's books stretch our perspectives into new areas of consideration. I am admittedly uncomfortable with some of this but will point out the similarity between them and therefore the consistency. How about the topics of moral relativism and the conflict of Good versus Evil? How about the necessity of man-made catastrophic events such as 9/11/2001 or pick any school shooting or terrorist attack? Consider how these insane events may serve to move Mankind forward in its evolution.

If these are relatively new considerations then I would whole-heartedly recommend The Sphere and the Hologram. It will challenge your thinking up to the next level. A complimentary work would be Dolores Cannon's 'The Three Waves of Volunteers and the New Earth'. Personally-speaking, 'Three Waves' confirmed for me where I am in the 'mix'.

The 'logic' isn't always apparent at first. We also need to add in a mix of feeling and intuition...and give it time to percolate.

I am pretty excited by that book. I haven't managed to get a copy of it yet but the preface sounds like it is right up my alley.

Negative events definitely hold the potential to move us forward. It is kind of the fundamental rule of this reality. Bluefirephoenix says that it is better to get to the path forward in the outset rather than walking the dead end and turning back after realizing. I would be disappointed if someone would carry out an attack like 9/11 to try and make man kind evolve. Put the energy into something positive!

138  Metaphysics / Welcome to Quantum Physics! / Re: World Is A Simulation on: July 04, 2017, 21:09:26
Cannon's last Convoluted series book mentioned 'shadow players', 'background people': Human characters that just play roles and are moved from place to place, environment to environment, world to world...she even likened them to a kind of 'slave character group'.
In the middle of the Sphere and the Hologram, a section discusses human personalities that fail to develop sufficiently within a lifetime; they fail to fully 'individualize' completely...and therefore are mixed back into the 'soup' of the Higher Self, their characteristics to be re-combined in a new mixture at some future date, to try again.

A personality that fails to individualize in a lifetime seems like nonsense to me. For that to really be true you would require a fresh consciousness that comes in without any initial conditions and has a duplicated experience to another entity to every detail.

Say the experience is 99% the same - would the governor of the "soul soup" make the judgement that this entity is no longer worth having? Such a decision would only be possible for a low quality consciousness since they are establishing themselves as being superior, a flaw that guarantees non-superiority.

Shadow people seems like a waste of potential - this reality is supposed to be a sea of learning for real entities. I suppose it is conceivable that they would have something to add but why not real entities that can mutually benefit from the experience?

Our dreams tend to be populated with shadow people for the purposes of ad-hoc learning scenarios. I feel like this reality has stricter rules though; wouldn't shadow people mess with the continuity and or make this reality into a play pen for external entities that feel like throwing some drones into the mix. We have such limited access to even communication from the outside let alone matrix agents.

I am happy to be proved wrong though. How can we understand the logic behind this stuff?
139  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: Becoming Lucid in Dreams - Movie Scenes Of How It Is Like on: July 04, 2017, 05:49:31
You might also enjoy the movie Mr. Nobody. The entire thing is essentially about astral projection and alternate lives.
140  Metaphysics / Welcome to Quantum Physics! / Re: World Is A Simulation on: July 03, 2017, 20:51:39
There are more similarities. There are experiments to prove the simulated nature of the universe, such as the famous double slit experiment and the delayed choice quantum eraser experiment. There are theories and proofs for the simulation hypotheses.  However, there are some ridiculous assumptions too. Once you say that the universe is simulated, there arises a need for a simulator, a computer and operators of that computer. So people imagine all sorts of things from aliens to future humans. It is perfectly possible but highly improbable. Plus there are big holes e.g. the presence of avatars, if the avatars are aliens or humans from future, they would know beyond any doubt that they are playing a game. The only possibility left is that we are just bots, dummy players, which is not anyone's experience as far as I know. Bots would mean no consciousness or subjective experiences. No amount of simulation would produce that.

I find simulation to be the most satisfactory answer to the mysteries of this material universe.

The need for a simulator isn't such a huge issue even for the average skeptic I think. If we treat dreams as our own personal simulation it sets the precedent for a reality experience computed by consciousness.

Many people believe that there are aliens or future humans participating here that are partially or fully aware of their circumstances. I suppose the idea that these governing entities are the only ones that would participate in their creation would create a hole - but if you look at the purpose of the simulation deeper it makes sense that many players would either be fresh or have their minds compartmentalized in order to have a seemingly fresh experience.

We could be bots. Some spiritualists think that very few people are soul participants in this reality and that other entities are just "matrix bots". I think the concept is a bit egotistical and doesn't make a lot of sense from a practical outcomes standpoint. Never the less it is really difficult to prove that we have free will. The best we can do is to imply it should exist logically. Ultimately ones entire life experience can be scripted bot adventure and we would have no way of proving otherwise that I can tell.
141  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Im a bit stuck on: July 01, 2017, 01:07:36
Am I focusing too hard? Am I getting too excited when I feel the vibrations? I know that when you try to force yourself to astral project that it's usually unsuccessful, and I'm not sure that's my problem. I know this is probably insanely long, but since I have yet to have a full OBE, I'm hoping to get some advice from an experienced traveller.

What you describe reminds me a lot of my early experiences. I wouldn't say the mystery is solved yet but here is what I have come to believe.

Most of my early attempts were too engaged in carrying out a step by step process and in needing a successful outcome. This is further complicated by hidden fears that haven't been confronted at the conscious level before and anticipation of fear in the forthcoming experience.

I suffer from conditions of anxiety disorder and compulsive obsessive. This made it difficult to simply be and let the process unfold without a worry in the world.

Consider your own mind set and what it would take to be unflinchingly calm and stable with no attachment to any outcome in particular.
142  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Consciousness! / Re: For Fork's Sake! on: June 29, 2017, 21:43:27
So I have to still my mind as I pass from hypnagogia to full LD. Once locked into the LD I can once again use critical thinking.

But anyway, that's how it works for me!

Works this way for me as well. It seems like one should or could be able to transition without this being a problem. It might be that the critical thinking plays too much into our fears so we have to disconnect from that temporarily.
143  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: What have you learned about the fundamentals of the universe? on: June 28, 2017, 07:46:30
You frequently hear in Astrap projection experiences of people travelling through space and timeffort and asking entities all sorts of educational questions. Is there anything you have learned in your astral journeys that perhaps sheds light on some of the mysteries of the universe? Do parrallel dimensions exist? Are there other vensigns of ourselves out there? Is the universe infinite? Are there alI ensure?  The list goes on. Anybody had any luck with these sorts of age old questions?

The book series My Big Toe by Tom Campbell is basically an attempt to answer the mystery of the universe with knowledge obtained through astral projection experiences. We can say it is possible to learn something greater than our current understanding without doubt.

It likely that experiences like astral projection are going to advance our understanding of the material universe; Tesla suggested we would advance technology radically faster through astral projections in the future.

My personal experience is that there may be educational entities and, subconscious or not, they are capable of delivering real value. I met one that appeared as a monk and communicated with me psychically. It was a profound understanding delivered through a form of thought control. You ask a question and the understanding of the reply is manufactured in your mind as a personal experience. The thing is that the impact doesn't last - similar to some temporary breakthrough psychedelic drug experiences you could say.

Sometimes we experience parallel realities. There is no way to validate it but the experience is comparable to waking up normally in the morning and going about your usual routine. Early on you notice something about your house is different. It is correct for this reality's version of you, but you know it is different to your house. There is a signature of the scenario that you can perceive with a type of Claire-sense that makes it feel like there is true affinity to this alternate house being yours.

You may have experienced this identity Claire-sense I mentioned by meeting an alternate version of an entity you know in a dream. It is difficult to go as far as to say that it is an alternate reality version of that person, but that is how it seems.
144  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Consciousness! / Re: For Fork's Sake! on: June 24, 2017, 23:34:52
I have had trouble like that before too. I am receiving some channeled information that awake or alertness in itself shouldn't be the root cause of coming back down. We should be able to be hyper alert, indeed at peak levels of alertness without disrupting the scenario. The matter is how flexible and fluid the state of mind is and how self aware you are.

Compare a separation to a high stakes sporting event like baseball. When you are about to bat you need to be fully focused on what is happening but still in a fluid mind state capable of reacting to the pitch on instinct. The key is that you aren't self aware, you are just doing and all encompassed. When the self awareness comes in to play too much, the mind loses the ability to transition from one brain wave state to another seamlessly.

145  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: projection: imposter and thieves on: June 22, 2017, 20:57:29
Sounds pretty scary. Having false awakenings into a threatening situation in your home sounds like quite a fear test.

What do you think the deal was with the Chesire Impersonator? It almost seems like this entity might have inspired the burglar experience you had right after meeting it.
146  Astral Chat / Welcome to Members Introductions! / Re: Hello! on: June 22, 2017, 20:26:21
Welcome to the forum. I hope we can help learn conscious induction of projections together.

Don't be too concerned about whether your experience was "just" a dream. These projection experiences tend to exist on a continuum scale. A wake induced lucid dream or dream induced lucid dream both have the potential to be a valid astral experience.

One trigger we tend to use is simply "were you aware that you were participating in another reality to this one?", if the answer is yes, that was a projection. A wake induced lucid dream is more or less the same process as phasing and has resulted in astral projections with awareness for me before.

Ultimately it will fall to you to judge the quality of your experiences, but you might find the quality and value you get out of the experience doesn't match the label.
147  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: I Can Induce Vibrations, But Then What? on: June 21, 2017, 22:40:15
Right, yeah the idea was to move my body out into the non-physical. The only part of me that twitches is my eyes. There was one time I microdosed a psychoactive tea at a sub-perceptual dose in the morning, then the next morning before getting up I was trying to astral project. And I felt like I could just fall out of my body into an energetic pool, but I was scared because the space around me felt intimidatingly big, probably because I wasn't use to it.  cry There was no vibrations that time.

Definitely sounds like you got hit by the fear of death test. I just posted a new thread about it that will hopefully be useful for you. I think it is normal that there could be no vibrations in a scenario like that. Your mind was flexible and unlocked by the micro dose most likely. I once experienced a psychedelic that made retraction into the consciousness so easy and natural that it seemed like I could never lose the ability even after the psychedelic effects wore off. Alas it was not the case Sad
148  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Overcoming fear at the precipice of separation on: June 21, 2017, 22:35:16
At some point in conscious projection attempts we are often faced with a fear test and given a choice. I have experienced it from the void. It felt like standing on a cliff with the floor about to fall out, on the other side an immense cosmos of the unknown. There is a strong foreboding of death.

It is probably a fear of death test and the experience may resemble physical death given the similarities with projection experiences and NDEs. To be successful I think it is important to have given this issue consideration prior to being presented with the choice or your automatic response will be to back away.

The reason I opened this thread is to share what I have done to help train myself for the test and maybe you will get something out of it for yourself.


Susceptibility to the fear response in our biological brains is related to a calibration of relative threats. If there are no significant threat signals being received by your mind, such as being chased by a wild animal, every day stresses that shouldn't cause a problem result in an exaggerated fear response.

Two techniques for managing this problem are to give your mind a more natural understanding of a true threat or to experience the scenario that causes fear and manually change the response. Remember that the purpose of the fear response is to keep us safe. Every time you back away from the choice to astral project due to fear you strengthen the evolutionary success markers of that pattern in the brain and re-enforce that response.

I achieve the two types of approaches to managing fear with practical exercises. Re-calibration of threats is done with ice baths as the cold speaks directly to ancient centers in our brains in a relatively safe way that has a large impact.

I practice experiencing the scenario with 3rd eye yogic techniques such as Bandha locks. This exercise often induces symptoms of separation or fainting that resemble what you experience with projection. Over time I have become very comfortable with letting go and accepting the symptoms without fear.

What other techniques could we try as a form of "fear" training?

149  Dreams / Welcome to Dreams! / Re: Lucid Dream: area 51, beast perspective on: June 21, 2017, 20:54:35
Sounds incredible. It would be a lot of fun to battle with Shinobi - even to witness such physical speed and ability from a realistic perspective. I have had similar experiences centered around Jojo's Bizarre Adventure battles.

What was it like to be a wolf beast? Did you have inhuman perceptions such as super smell?

I wonder what the message is when we get swarmed by hostile entities in these experiences, it is common isn't it?

Once I experienced an astral projection as a DC superhero fighting against a group of three other people with super powers. Despite having super speed the three would quickly run me down and beat me up, yet I experienced no pain or fear. After they would get tired of wailing on me and go to leave I would throw a rock at their backs or something to restart the conflict. It all seemed like a hilarious joke to antagonize these guys knowing I couldn't be harmed.
150  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: I Can Induce Vibrations, But Then What? on: June 21, 2017, 07:19:15
I can be quite close to the physical while inducing these vibrations, so I don't have to be in some deep trance state to turn them on.

Is your induction method related to moving your phantom body while staying physically still? Sometimes I feel like I could step out of my body but attempting to raise the vibrations always ends up in physical twitching as the signals get crossed.
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