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326  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Consciousness! / Re: Hypnosis tape for Journeying on: September 21, 2015, 00:57:49
So often I have a question or am looking for some material for astral projection I come here and there is new thread on the topic. That's intent for you I suppose. Thanks Bluefirephoenix, I'll try this one out. Did you ever have any success with the self created hypnosis tapes?
327  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: A determined beginner's OBE *attempt* log (never had one before) on: September 20, 2015, 15:28:07
rainbow_light, I started off quite gun-ho like yourself and was disappointed to find that controlled sessions can be both quite time consuming and prone to failure. I have had more success after taking a back seat to the process. I find dream based projection to be a really good approach since it costs you nearly nothing time wise. The only chore is keeping a dream log; I have found this is mandatory right now after failing to remember many dreams without it.

Your other option is to try hypnosis based techniques. You can find 30 second procedures that will kick start your meditation straight to vivid pattern and colors. Some people have success with the 30 minute guided hypnosis for projection videos on YouTube.
328  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: To the masters out there - being in the astral and physical at the same time? on: September 18, 2015, 00:52:28
But then, I guess, to most people, the concept that this physical reality isn't really all that physical is a hard pill to swallow.  LoL

It is hard to get your head around because most of us, including myself, have been conditioned to this reality. For me the first step to breaking this construct is to understand that there is a separation between the reality we perceive and what is actually there. A nice thought experiment is to imagine holding onto what is visually a solid box, but upon touch inspection you discover there is a hole in the middle that can only be felt, not seen.

We don't really know that what we see is real, but when you combine senses to verify each other it gives a sense of objective reality. This sense of objectiveness can further be compounded by other having another person verify that what they perceive matches what you percieve.

All of the extra-reality experiences I have had have not been objectively verifiable, but for some people they are. The moment you have two consciousness perceiving the same extra-reality there is no grounds left to call this reality physical and the other not. I suppose you can extend this idea to say that neither reality is physical at this point.
329  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Improving Dream Awareness on: September 17, 2015, 14:16:35
It's always good to go with your strengths. Last year while I was having problems consciously Aping I too relied solely on my LDs.
 
Actually I have found that many times it is important not become consciously aware in my Dreams. I know that doesn't sound like it makes any sense. But many times the realization of being in a LD stopped my dream/simulation cold. I then learned how to become of a actor without actually ending the current scenario. I was fully consciously aware of my own actions though and just went with the current script, per say. I did that until something disastrous occurred, then I would find myself re scripting the scene repeatedly until a better outcome was found. This re scripting was actually taught to me spontaneously. But after a while I learned it was a valuable tool. After I learned how to stay conscious in the dream, I stay in the same dream/simulation for quite a while.
It is interesting that you mention realization of being in a dream stopping it; I have experienced the same thing, usually after realization I wake up within seconds. I understand allowing the scenario to carry you but I haven't experienced replaying a scenario, I want to try this.

I have long simulations as well, sometimes it feels like hours and covers multiple scenarios. I tend to lose most of the memories though, I recall the most significant moments from each experience. Once you are in conscious control of the dream, have you ever been able to transition into other types of experiences like real time zone or high astral planes?

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A Dream Journal is very important if you wish to learn how to consciously maneuver in your dreams/simulations. Even a couple of key words written in the morning means a lot when you go back after about a month and try to find patterns. I have noticed though that I needed to tone down my intent to remember everything from every dream I had. I was awaking 3-4 times a night just after a dream. That got to be exhausting after awhile, especially if I had something important to do the next day. I have had many of the fight/survival, what I call "Hero" dreams as well. These taught me how to extinguish a confrontational scenario in a non violent way.
Interesting, I have been thinking that there probably is some kind of lesson in these dreams, but I never imagined that non violence could be it.

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...on your request for raising your dream awareness, there are many things you can do. You can yell out for "Lucidity Now". You could ground yourself to the scene. After while of logging your dreams you will see patterns and repeat scenarios occurring, these will help you become consciously aware that you are in a dream/simulation event. You can rub your hands or even look at your hands. What do you think would help yourself to know you are dreaming?
Ah, repeating patterns. This is an excellent piece of info, I think it will work for me. I am aware of the tricks to solidify a dream but I usually never think to do them. Even at times I am aware that I am dreaming but I still forget to do anything other than go along with it. Triggers to really bring about that certain awareness that the event is a dream sounds like a good start. In the past these triggers have been seeing someone that I know to be dead in this reality and sometimes the detection of something which is just too bizarre.

Last time I became aware forgot to use the real techniques to determine if it was a dream. Instead I tried to inspect the physical reality and found it indecipherable from this one. Then I tested the psyche of the group of people by yelling "this is a dream!". Their reaction was what I would expect in this reality, but on some level I could still tell that I was the source of these entities.

Great advice, cheers!
330  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: To the masters out there - being in the astral and physical at the same time? on: September 17, 2015, 10:05:04
Yes, it can be done. It is not uncommon for it to happen in children. I experienced it myself a few times while experiencing astral dreams. Once I became aware of the dream I would often begin to wake, but if you recognize this and relax, the dream would continue. The state has a strange duality about it where you are aware of your body laying in bed and you are looking at the blackness of closed eyelids, yet simultaneously in your mind there is completely alternate reality being perceived.

It is difficult to explain how the separation works, the best analogy I can think of is that it is like the ability of our ears to decipher individual instruments in music. Even though you are being hit with two perceptions at the same time it is in no way confusing. It almost feels like one reality is in the background and you can toggle between them with focus.

I think Robert Bruce also describes some experiences with this state in his book.
331  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Improving Dream Awareness on: September 17, 2015, 08:31:47
Hey guys,

I have been turning my attention more and more towards astral projection in the sleep/dream state during the night. I haven't had any success in my last ~100 attempts of meditative projection but I reliably have conscious dreams each night and I feel this plays to my strengths.

My short term goal is to move from dreams where I am consciously aware into dreams that I consciously control. There seems to be a mental barrier of some kind between my awareness in dream realities and this reality. While I am making conscious decisions in the dream, I still don't realize that what I am experiencing is a dream most of the time. I feel like if I could flip that switch I would access a new realm of possibilities.

I have been scrubbing my memory for dreams each morning and have started writing down what I remember. It is a powerful technique and is allowing me to recall up to 2 or 3 different dreams in a given night. There is one reoccurring theme that I have noticed about these dreams. They almost always involve fist fighting some intimidating character, whether it is a stranger in the house, a zombie in some kind of haunted house or a giant in the super market.

Does anyone have any advice for me pertaining to raising my awareness in dreams?
332  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Marijuana, medication and OBEs on: September 17, 2015, 00:30:11
You should be able to use Marijuana multiple times daily without it affecting your ability to astral project. I have heard rumours that Marijuana prevents you from having dreams. This is simply not true, I have high awareness dreams every night.

Marijuana can actually be quite helpful for entering a trance I find. It increases your ability to focus on the non physical by amplifying your thoughts and reducing normal physical sensation. Using self hypnosis videos on youtube I have found that a 20 second hypnosis session with Marijuana will put you into a trance that would normally take 10-20 minutes to achieve with regular meditation for me.

I have also heard of people combining edibles with isolation tanks to have astral projections. This is coming from people who have never heard of astral projection and are not actually trying to induce it. It is spoken about often on the Joe Rogan podcast.
333  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Projection Experiences! / Re: First Astral Projection or mimic Lucid dream? on: September 04, 2015, 08:11:04
And who creates these supposed "rules" and how does one break them... And have you done this personally? .. Perhaps you could point me in the right direction. Indeed I've watched a few documentaries on Shaolin monks. The "Ring of fire" documentary that features "John Chang" is probably the most credible documentary there is on "psychic" powers .. I just need to experience it myself, I'm sure you can understand.

And as for shared dreaming experiences, something I have not really researched, could you link me to any credible research?

Xanth may be able to explain the concept better but my understanding of the "rules" is that they are governed by collective consciousness which is kind of like a 5th dimensional concept where all consciousness exists as a cohesive unit. Breaking the rules is somewhat of a negative feedback loop in the sense that your mind will not allow fluctuations in reality that defy what you are mentally prepared to accept.

I don't think you will be able to find much solid evidence on shared dreaming or even the objective existence of consciousness outside of this reality. It isn't completely satisfying but the best scientific evidence on this topic that I have seen is a study on near death experiences where individuals that were arguably brain dead were able to obtain knowledge that should not have been possible via astral projection.

http://profezie3m.altervista.org/archivio/TheLancet_NDE.htm

334  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Projection Experiences! / Re: First Astral Projection or mimic Lucid dream? on: September 04, 2015, 00:44:15
I have no doubt that the subconscious is quite capable of conjuring up an independent agent that swears until they are black'n blue they are a seperate entity or even a reoccurring "spirit guide" that is seemingly more intelligent than the conscious dreamer.

This is true; there have been a few times where I have tried to challenge the entities I see in a lucid dream by stating out loud to them that it was a dream. I was unable to tell if I was dreaming or not so I thought it would be a good test. Not surprisingly the entities reacted in the exact same way I would have expected them to if it was this reality.

There are still contrary opinions on spirit guides, whether they are a part of the subconscious or a separate entity. I am talking about incontrovertible experiences though. You and another person jump into isolation tanks in the same room. You have a shared dream where you construct a Colosseum and fight to the death for fun. Afterwards you both get out of the tanks and talk about the experience you clearly remember. This cannot be explained by subconscious alone.
335  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Projection Experiences! / Re: First Astral Projection or mimic Lucid dream? on: September 03, 2015, 11:26:46
So my initial presumptions that their is no difference between an AP and a LD were correct, and a projection is simply experiencing consciousness.. And an "astral" projection would be experiencing consciousness in a seperate reality one other than physical reality, the confusion is just the induction technique.. WILD (Wake Induced Lucid Dream = "AP" .. Spontaneous lucidity = "LD"? Well someone could have explained that to me last week, before I spent $75 on Robert Monroes F***ing books  evil  wink  grin

I suppose I wanted to believe in more than just a conscious dream, where astral projection was going to the "Spirit Realm" where entities beyond ones imagination actually exist.. The lower realm and higher realm etc etc.. If you want to get all Don Juan crazy I wanted to meet "inorganic beings" .. Everyone talks about spirit guides and angels and all that jazz.. But it's just ones intention and imagination that creates those "realities"? Damn I thought Robert Waggoner was onto something with the whole "hidden observer".. Someone behind the curtain so to speak.. Bet it's a disappointment when that curtain drops and it's a reflection  undecided ...



I wouldn't be so fast to dismiss AP as merely a dream. The mistake is thinking of dreams as being limited to only subconscious data. I can't testify with personal experience  but respected people explain that shared experiences can occur which both subjects recall and persist through multiple experiences. The difference in these experiences are like living on earth as the only person who has ever lived and the insane creative variety that can be witnessed in this reality today.
336  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Projection Experiences! / Re: First Astral Projection or mimic Lucid dream? on: September 03, 2015, 00:42:12
In childhood I would commonly recall my astral projections during the night. This skill has returned just due to my intent, but I can confirm that what I typically thought of as a lucid dream is remarkably similar to the impression you are left with after a conscious projection from a waking state.

These experiences could all be labelled astral projections. For an experienced voyager like Xanth I imagine it is easy to see the similarities of experiences on the entire spectrum.

I believe the spectrum of experience is key here. When I think of the astral projections I have during the night, while extremely vivid at times, it is not what I imagined astral projection to be like because I usually end up stuck in the context of the situation. Occasionally I have been able to realize I was dreaming and apply conscious will to the scenario, but usually this interference results in waking or even reality "melting".

When I think of astral projection I imagine flying in amazing landscapes that I can change at will, building things, living fantasies, meeting other consciousnesses. I haven't had this experience yet but I suspect that it is just an extension of what I already know.

Maybe the real question here isn't whether it was an astral projection or not, but whether the content of the experience was sufficiently satisfying for your goals to achieve the label in your mind.

337  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Projection Experiences! / Conversation of Death on: July 28, 2015, 12:12:21
My most vivid OBE occurred through a dream entry. I was in an analog of the home of my childhood neighbor, an old man down the road. I would visit the man sometimes to obtain weaved flax tips for my cattle whip. He died years ago, I didn't know him well, and I can't remember even thinking about him in a long time.

We were sitting at a dining table and I was in the process of trying to explain concepts of consciousness and the afterlife. In the context of the experience we both knew that the man would be dying soon and I guess I was trying to prepare him somehow. He ultimately refused to believe anything I was saying and that experience ended. It was unique for me because I rarely hold conversation, let alone with a controlled train of thought, in previous lucid dreams.

The experience continued in a ball room, wherein I met two girls. In this context they were friends of my partner's family. I knew the custom was to kiss them on the cheek but there was a problem. One of the girls was over 8 feet tall. Even though I was experiencing this from a first person perspective, I simultaneously felt like an observer and the situation was hilarious. This instantly translated into my first person experience as I doubled over in hysterical laughter. Another first for my experiences.

338  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Consciousness! / Re: Me vs Vibrations :( on: July 21, 2015, 00:51:11
So I'm there, vibrating like an idiot and not knowing what to do. When I try to move, my body moves and all is over ; when I do nothing, they fade out.

I know this experience. You might not be deep enough to project. Some say that vibrations are a result of a de-synchronisation between your physical senses and mental senses. This transition seems to get less dramatic as you become less shocked by moving between the states. Some authors recommend that the point of feeling vibrations is too early in the process to exit and that you want to wait until you are on the other side of the transition and they calm down.

All of my wake induced experiences have been from this other side, but I mostly got there coincidently. When I experienced heavy vibrations and the rapid relaxation wave I was unable to remain calm enough to complete the process. It is also said that it is possible to induce the separation at this point with a very strong intent to grab a rope and climb for instance, however, like you I have found this results in my physical body moving.
339  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Astral Projection or Lucid Dream? on: July 17, 2015, 13:14:17
Congrats on your first major success. I have been caught out by forgetting my sleep mask once before as well. It is common for my eyes to open automatically during meditation so I was unsurprised that a seemingly normal vision image to appear. It wasn't until afterwards that I realized I had the mask on. The experience really felt like a false awakening and it leaves you doubting what you experienced.

It does sound like you had a projection that descended into some kind of lucid dream. My first time I was unable to fly but I did have the dark separation and a gentle floating with the vision coming in later. Last night I became lucid enough towards the end of a dream to remember to attempt an astral projection. This time I had no trouble flying at all and I experienced the incredible speed you describe.

I think you may have mistaken normal vision for an accurate mental perception. I have also been fooled by seeing out the bottom of a mask that doesn't completely block vision though.

340  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Consciousness! / Re: Cycling on: July 17, 2015, 12:47:44
I like this. I have been making most of my projection attempts in the very early morning hours. At this time I find my mentality to be not very conducive to complex focus. Doing anything other than going back to sleep takes a tremendous effort. This seems like relatively light work so I will give it a spin for those sessions.
341  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: First Experience Recollection and Analysis on: July 11, 2015, 07:38:55
Thaomas, I don't mean to put you off or dissuade you from your current practices; I think any kind of relaxation, breathing practice, meditation or disassociation method is beneficial in at least two ways: first the initial aim of the method itself, second, the cumulative effect of all these methods for training our individual Focus and Attention. In other words, it's all good...

What I would ask you to consider is the question of letting go/giving up control at some point and trusting the message/Intention you have internalised within yourself.

We all want to make conscious, self-determined exits, be it Phasing or RTZ. Quite frankly this is a difficult feat for most of us; not saying it can't be done, but for most of us, myself included, it is a skill to acquire later, if at all. After (jeez...) 45+ years of OBEing, I still can't do it on request.

Szaxx and Lumaza are two of the very few I know of who can do this on command, or near to it...

I understand, I have been trying to run before I can crawl Smiley

Since sleeping isn't my strength yet, I wanted to investigate other possibilities. I have read most of the well known books on the subject and I have learned lots from them, particularly regarding sleep based approaches, but I think I have learned much more about how to achieve projection at will over a long term from the members here. I really can't overstate how much I have advanced from the replies here and in other threads.

I am tenacious so don't fear putting me off. Truth be told the prospect of stopping would be strange for me, ever since I first felt vibrations I have just felt compelled to continue generating that feeling several times a day. I take to heart your advice on letting go as well because I definitely identify a tendency to over control processes and this holds me back during meditation.

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Like you said Thaomas, I also have a difficult time falling asleep. I think this is a difficulty of giving up control. I just have difficulty shutting down the days thoughts and concerns. As a result, I don't ever get deep enough in my meditations/visualizations etcetera to achieve an exit. I could never get to Monroe's Focus 10 Mind Awake, Body Asleep state. When I did get to Focus 10 one night, it was after sleeping a few hours and once IN the state I realized that all my earlier conscious attempts had got me nowhere near this deeper level.

For me, the best methods have been Wake, Back To Bed and early morning attempts. To a degree of indirectness, this involves giving up conscious control and trusting in the process whereby you have earlier "programmed" your subconscious computer and then gone into shutdown...only sometime later to regain conscious awareness, but much closer to, if not already within the proper exit state. Often this next shift can be a shift of consciousness that is no more than a second, or a minute or two...these shifts are referred to as "click-outs".

Given enough experiences with these types of exits, we may get closer to achieving the fully conscious projection; but for now, in the early stages, it might gain you the entrance you are looking for.

Hope that gives some further thinking...you are real close.

This really does resonate with my experience. I believe I will have more success with this approach.

Szaxx, that is great advice. It is still really hard for me to keep my focus off my body but I am getting better at it. The most difficult part is the very sudden and powerful waves of relaxation. It is almost like an auto response to body check when it happens. This habit just needs to be overcome with practice I think.

Lumaza I have your advice and letting the experience flow naturally works well for me. The feeling is almost like the mental wandering that occurs before sleep but also containing a visual component. I do find that it can take a considerable amount of effort to maintain the focus so I understand the term pitbull Smiley
342  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: First Experience Recollection and Analysis on: July 09, 2015, 12:06:10
Hello Thaomas. Both Szaxx and EscapeVelocity have given you some great advise and teachings . This entire practice is like one big school. You find that in time you move up levels as well, akin to graduation. The more you learn the more you will learn!

 I too have found myself in situations where I couldn't fly, but could do the "Hulk" jump. Dr. Steve G. Jones (another AP Author) uses a Moonwalk as part of his OBE techniques. Where better to do a "Hulk jump" then on the moon in zero gravity, lol.

 Matching your breathing pattern to the same as a sleep pattern comes when you have finally relaxed yourself thoroughly. It can't be rushed. But is a natural process that your body undertakes through total relaxation.

 I feel the daily disassociation practice and training is a great way to get used to the feeling of separation. I do it almost daily while totally awake, anytime and anywhere. This is great way to entrain your mind and body to just let go and release, to get used to the feeling of being in a another reality or realm.

 I still have the RTZ exits. But these almost always come from awaking in full Sleep Paralysis and seeing it through. I don't experience RTZ exits when I Phase though. But, in the beginning of my practice I did. First I would find that I could see my surrounding with closed eyes. Then I would get up and check out my surroundings. Now when I have a RTZ exit via SP, I usually shoot out of my body and out my patio window. That's where the RTZ ends though. On the other side of my window are environments that are completely different then my actual one.

 I can tell you are going to be fine with this practice. You say all the right things and ask all of he right questions!  wink

It is interesting that you say that the sleep breathing process cannot be rushed, maybe this is why I have failed to exactly replicate it thus far. I have experimented a fair bit with the 4-7-8 breathing technique. This technique will put me into a reasonably deep feeling of numbness. After two minutes of continuous breathing this way I found that while I thought I was consciously breathing the pattern continued automatically after I stopped controlling it. That was one of the deepest trances I had been in during my early attempts, but the transition from that type of breathing to a natural breathing pattern for sleep is not easy to achieve.

The extra oxygen from the 4-7-8 method definitely sedates the body heavily, but it doesn't deliver the 60 second sleep it promises. If it did I feel that it could be a miraculous shortcut in the relaxation process, and would be extremely useful for someone like me that struggles to fall asleep in general.

I understand the similarity you mention between the feeling of separation and the dissociation. I have computer based job so I take a moment to dissociate in my seat several times a day. The feeling is so similar it leads me to believe that if I could do it well enough it would induce a spontaneous projection.

I am not sure why I experienced a real time zone projection. I have a burning desire to create and experience fantastic things in wider realities. I also have a friend on another continent who has a confirmation code in their house for me to read and I am adamant to blow both ours minds by getting it. This could be why I experienced a seemingly accurate emulation, however, this could also have been just what I wanted or expected to see.
343  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: First Experience Recollection and Analysis on: July 09, 2015, 11:41:31
I agree with what Szaxx is telling you in that this is a very typical early experience, along with the proper realizations that you have had; my experience and much of what I have read followed the same progression.

It seems to be a bit necessarily frustrating; a series of small steps. Your Intent to fly probably should have worked, it sounds like you had the right thoughts. I can't explain it except to say that I had the same experience: one day it refuses to work, the next it works with ridiculous ease...

I think you are properly "primed" to have a great next experience...part of that is your Intent, another related part is your Expectation. Release any current frustration...you are doing just fine...boldly go into the next step...

It is interesting that you are working on Phasing from the outset, yet you are getting ethereal/RTZ type experiences. This may be a necessary evolution of experiences that will eventually get you to the cool, smooth, 3D Phasing transitions. Go with the flow for now...whatever is presented to you...you can figure it out a couple years from now...lol. I fought with the same difficulties when I was a kid that Szaxx describes, not being able to fly on a particular night, but instead doing giant half-mile Hulk jumps...which was great fun in and of itself!

The Etheric/RTZ exits may somehow be a requirement for most of us...some need further activation of their Chakras (if you think that may apply to you)...you really have to work this out for yourself...but don't get hung up on it, you are doing just fine.

It sounds like that this last time a Wake, Back To Bed technique worked for you...keep on with that. Also, be ready for opportunities...wherever they may appear.

Great advice; I have been feeling a little frustrated and this is helpful. I have reached a better understanding of why my meditation attempts fail. I have always been a person that struggles to fall asleep and I am also known to never sleep during the day. My primary session has been 4pm; while it is a recommended time, it is unlikely that I would be able to fall asleep in the best of circumstances.

I am basically attempting two modes. Since I know that it is a difficult for me to fall asleep, I practice methods of transition that do not involve sleep. I haven't had a lot of success with the waking methods beyond the ability to induce powerful energy sensations in my body; I haven't found an application for this skill yet but it feels as if I could just walk my ethereal body out of the physical body with sufficient practice.

I gave up on sleep based attempts at night time after learning of the difficulties in remembering experiences if a deep sleep is induced. I guess my sleep based development is still a lot further along than the other method; that is probably why I experienced it first accidently, despite it being my secondary focus. I have just covered the area of Explorations in Consciousness that describes the Vigil method and I am going to take up this as my sleep based approach since it involves late night sessions where I am more likely to replicate my previous experience and have the ability to sleep more easily.
344  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: First Experience Recollection and Analysis on: July 08, 2015, 08:05:30
Your experience sounds typical of the early days. The physics of flying and nearly everything else is different. Intent and its feel is the way forwards. The first few occasions of moving things by thought took so much mental strain, I thought it impossible. Once i anaged to work it out, it was simple. Nothing in the physical world exists to compare it to as you're finding out with flying.
The next chance you get, imagine the feel of flying and put yourself up there. The giant steps may be encountered first, these are 100 foot wide and 30 or so feet up. If you experience these you can fly from the peak if your thoughts are correct.
You're going to have fun learning the ropes lol.

A fully concious projection from the waking state can be achieved. It's much easier with the basic physics of the NP under your belt. A few naturals at this just do it. Most can't explain how unfortunately. Give it time with a strong will and desire to succeed. This will help program your subconscious mind and it may oblige.

A waking phase takes a min or two once relaxed and has its sequence. A sleep phase is where you find yourself concious and aware in a location not physical. Your instincts tell you its not physical with these in most cases. The concious projections almost speak for themselves. There are a few occasions I've pulled out of one and been bemused by a slightly different scene from my location. Then next thing waking for real to see what is physical, you kick yourself for not noticing the false awakening.

Have fun experimenting.

Thanks for the advice! I think my attempts to fly were just trying to move up physically instead of feeling it or correctly intending it. Hopefully I can manage it next time. Giant steps sound fascinating; is this a common challenge type scenario that people encounter?

My ability to dissociate while awake does seem to be increasing every day. At least, the ethereal sensations I feel when applying focus are increasing. I am using the 6 direction approach described by a few different authors. One of the real keys to it is to match the oscillation of focus between the points with the oscillation of breathing. If one can also manage to get their breathing pattern to match that which occurs sleep it seems to be possible to generate, if not a complete sleep paralysis, a hypnosis like state in a matter of seconds.

I find this easier while sitting upright. I think this may be because it is more difficult to orient the direction of focus strongly when laying down. I think Robert Bruce would often use a chair. Maybe it was for the same reason.

I think I may have used poor terminology in waking vs sleeping phase. It is a difficult question to phrase. To elaborate further I am curious about OBE that occurs not just from a waking state, but during a waking state. I have experienced the transition from waking to a sleeping OBE and also suddenly becoming aware on the border of sleep leading to an OBE. I have heard anecdotes of people driving a car while simultaneously having an OBE; this almost seems like a different category of experience, a dual perception.

I suppose that falling asleep makes it easier to induce the OBE, but when I am practising the dissociation techniques should I be aiming to fall asleep or stay awake? It seems like both are possible.

345  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / First Experience Recollection and Analysis on: July 04, 2015, 03:18:43
I had my first substantial OBE 4 hours ago. It was approximately 5:00am, I awoke to the sound of the hot water cylinder boiling. I got up and went to the bathroom, then returned to bed to go to sleep. I cant judge the time that passed before I next became aware, somewhere within the range of 10 seconds to 10 minutes.

The first thing I experienced was a sensation like my body was gently drifting backwards and then my body seemed to stretch for a few moments. In this stretching feeling there was also a brief sensation of partial dis-corporation and a subtle feeling of transition through some kind of space that is difficult to explain. It felt as if I existed in a type of partial void where reality was like static on a television. There were no vibrations, nor strong energy sensations or sounds.

After the transition I was in the familiar light weight body that I have felt twice before briefly. I began to float up, parallel to the ground initially then becoming upright. At this point I became aware of my vision and I put all my focus into it to try and cement the experience. I stopped near the ceiling light. The room was still very naturally dark so I could not see extremely well but I appeared to be in an accurate emulation of real time. I wanted to fly through the roof so I could get a better look around. I put my focus on flying upwards but I couldn't move; I willed movement harder and felt paralyzed. The next thing I was aware of was that I was back in my body behind closed eyelids.

The entire experience felt like approximately 15 seconds. I felt quite lucidly aware during the experience, and it definitely possessed a dream like quality but at a higher lucidity than I have previously experienced.

Despite the fact that I have been trying to phase for over a year using various techniques and have had limited success, this experience was completely accidental. The only conclusion I can draw from this is that to recreate the experience I need to be in a deeper sleep state than I have currently been achieving through planned phasing sessions.

My ultimate goal is to be able to phase at will and I have been experimenting with waking dissociation for 6 months.

How do you contrast the experiences of a waking phase and a sleeping phase?

I feel like I forced the experience too much in my attempts to fly. I believed that it was going to be easy and was surprised when it wasn't.

346  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: All most got it ? on: July 03, 2015, 01:09:05
So i fall asleep at 9:30 wake up at 2:30 fall back asleep at 4:15 flat on my back, i begin to feel paralysis and a vibe in my head when i noticed im lucid dreaming. When i was lucid dreaming i saw a pink and blue flashing ufo in my back yard i got scared and notice the vibe and i had lucid dreams of a ap, does ap look real or does it look like a dream and does the con actually leave the body??? Plus can ets be in ap planes?Huh

The fidelity of the experience you have is associated with the level of awareness you have I believe. You could say that a lucid dream and astral projection are the same thing, but experienced at different levels of awareness.

I have lucid dreams most nights, I am aware of who I am and what I am doing, and they are usually first person perspective dreams, however, I am yet to break out of the construct of the dream. With awareness one tier higher one could convert the lucid dream experience into a more vivid astral projection experience.

I benchmark myself for an astral projection when my mental alacrity during the "dream" experience is equal or similar to waking consciousness levels.

I am not sure what you mean by "con". Perhaps you are referring to a connection with the body. I wouldn't worry about leaving your body. There is nothing happening to you that doesn't happen during normal sleep. I believe that all conscious beings can exist in the astral planes, including aliens.
347  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Breathing problem on: July 03, 2015, 00:57:21
so when i'm trying to get into an astral state when lying down, I end up putting my gaze upon my breathing, when that happens I cant get my mind off of it and I then feel my mucus down my throat. Any suggestions as how to fix this problem? huh

I find it difficult to forget my breathing too. This is something I have had trouble with my entire life, once I have taken control of my breathing manually it becomes hard to return to automatic breathing. For astral projection attempts I use a couple of breathing techniques which help a lot.

Do a google search on the 4-7-8 breathing technique. I came across this article by chance claiming the breathing technique can put you to sleep in 60 seconds. It isn't that good, but it is quite good and I figured that if it can put you to sleep it is potentially useful for accelerating the relaxation and dissociation process.

Try to breath from your diaphragm instead of heaving your chest. I have read that if you identically match the breathing pattern used while sleeping that it will put you to sleep. I use the 4-7-8 for a couple of minutes to warm up, then relax into a more natural breathing pattern similar to sleep.

There are couple of little properties of the sleep breathing pattern. It should feel very cyclical, like a consistent flow of air in and out with little pause in between. It helps to focus on the airways at your nose and mouth. Feel the air moving through your nostrils and you may find that the rest of the breathing response is automatic. If you get the pattern right your sense of breath will become completely numb in not too long.
348  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Need mentor! on: June 21, 2015, 04:31:31
Here are some of the best tips I have picked up:

  • Do not allow your thoughts to refer back to your physical body in any way. This means eliminating physical distraction and reaching a mental state where you forget your physical body. Notice any returning thoughts to the body, including reflecting on "is this it" feelings, intercept them and resume your focus.
  • The hardest thing for me to forget is breathing. I find that breathing through my diaphragm can allow me to lose sensation in that area. Manually inducing a sleeping breathing pattern can also be useful to greatly expedite the relaxation and sleep paralysis process.
  • Engage your focus in a way that works for you. Investing everything into seeing the horizon of darkness induces strong visuals and dissociation for me.
  • You can also try passive imagination. Let it flow naturally. Don't manually comb the experience to fill in details. Engage as many senses as you can.
  • I find it useful to imagine previous lucid dream experiences. I notice that there are often strong emotions associated with dreams that are unlike most physical world experiences. I theorize that focusing on this helps to draw your attention toward the state of mind you are trying to achieve.
  • Try to remain blissfully calm and accepting of the various energy surges and feelings you will encounter.
  • Reflect and eliminate any possible source of fear. I think fear leads back to thoughts of the physical body. One thing that gets me is noises and a sensation like people are walking around near my sleeping body.
  • It is possible to have a successful projection and not even realize or remember it. My understanding is that the mental awareness state must be maintained at both ends of the experience or it will be forgotten like most dreams are. I think this means that you cant go into deep sleep as part of your attempt.
349  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: What does this mean? on: June 19, 2015, 01:37:35
So I've been trying to AP with different methods for awhile and have had no success. But last night, I decided to try and just watch myself fall asleep and I got strong vibrations and pressure that went from my head to my tongue. I also noticed that through this experience I was still pretty conscious during the process but maybe not when it started.

In my experience the sudden onset of transition sensations does occur during a lapse of awareness. Akin to what you described, if you viewed your conscious awareness of your body on a graph you would probably find a saddle where you are crossing over just enough to invoke considerable changes. For me the mental state is comparable to when you realize you almost fell asleep during a movie and get startled. The sudden feelings and mental snap back do make me more aware.

Typically what happens after this is that the symptoms slowly fade away; in my case due to over activity or excitement of the mind. I believe the key is to become familiar enough with these feelings that you can relax through them without skipping a beat.
350  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Phasing attempt while wide awake on: June 17, 2015, 01:26:49
If you haven't looked into AD (Astral Dynamics) by Robert Bruce I would give it a read.  If I am understanding what you are talking about correctly his practical works deals almost exclusively with this type of energy work, which he calls NEW (New Energy Work).  I am not a huge fan of his explanations but his methods for working in this state are very sound.  I am pretty sure you can get just the section of the book that deals with this work for free or very cheap, maybe a dollar.  It deals a lot with building up sensations and several methods of moving focus outside your body, Just about all of NEW can be done from a wide awake state.  Good luck and keep us posted on your progress with this work.

This sounds fantastic. I will definitely look into Astral Dynamics. I have also ordered Explorations in Consciousness.

I actually made my first attempt at Scrying last night. I have a small crystal ball made of selenite and I decided to stare into it to see what would happen. After only a minute or two my field of vision completely greyed out and was replaced by typical closed-eye visuals. I wanted to be sure that my eyes hadn't just closed on their own so I carefully moved my hand into my field of view and my physical sight phased in slowly. I repeated this a few more times for extra validation. I have little doubt that it would be possible to phase with eyes open now as long as there is nothing moving in the field of vision.

I also implemented another tip I picked up from somewhere regarding focusing into the distance beyond any visuals you see rather than focusing at them and I found this to be extremely powerful. My visuals became more vivid and my entire field of view seemed to slowly fluctuate in color with dull greens and pinks, which is something I hadn't noticed before.
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