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376  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: All most got it ? on: July 03, 2015, 01:09:05
So i fall asleep at 9:30 wake up at 2:30 fall back asleep at 4:15 flat on my back, i begin to feel paralysis and a vibe in my head when i noticed im lucid dreaming. When i was lucid dreaming i saw a pink and blue flashing ufo in my back yard i got scared and notice the vibe and i had lucid dreams of a ap, does ap look real or does it look like a dream and does the con actually leave the body??? Plus can ets be in ap planes?Huh

The fidelity of the experience you have is associated with the level of awareness you have I believe. You could say that a lucid dream and astral projection are the same thing, but experienced at different levels of awareness.

I have lucid dreams most nights, I am aware of who I am and what I am doing, and they are usually first person perspective dreams, however, I am yet to break out of the construct of the dream. With awareness one tier higher one could convert the lucid dream experience into a more vivid astral projection experience.

I benchmark myself for an astral projection when my mental alacrity during the "dream" experience is equal or similar to waking consciousness levels.

I am not sure what you mean by "con". Perhaps you are referring to a connection with the body. I wouldn't worry about leaving your body. There is nothing happening to you that doesn't happen during normal sleep. I believe that all conscious beings can exist in the astral planes, including aliens.
377  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Breathing problem on: July 03, 2015, 00:57:21
so when i'm trying to get into an astral state when lying down, I end up putting my gaze upon my breathing, when that happens I cant get my mind off of it and I then feel my mucus down my throat. Any suggestions as how to fix this problem? huh

I find it difficult to forget my breathing too. This is something I have had trouble with my entire life, once I have taken control of my breathing manually it becomes hard to return to automatic breathing. For astral projection attempts I use a couple of breathing techniques which help a lot.

Do a google search on the 4-7-8 breathing technique. I came across this article by chance claiming the breathing technique can put you to sleep in 60 seconds. It isn't that good, but it is quite good and I figured that if it can put you to sleep it is potentially useful for accelerating the relaxation and dissociation process.

Try to breath from your diaphragm instead of heaving your chest. I have read that if you identically match the breathing pattern used while sleeping that it will put you to sleep. I use the 4-7-8 for a couple of minutes to warm up, then relax into a more natural breathing pattern similar to sleep.

There are couple of little properties of the sleep breathing pattern. It should feel very cyclical, like a consistent flow of air in and out with little pause in between. It helps to focus on the airways at your nose and mouth. Feel the air moving through your nostrils and you may find that the rest of the breathing response is automatic. If you get the pattern right your sense of breath will become completely numb in not too long.
378  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Need mentor! on: June 21, 2015, 04:31:31
Here are some of the best tips I have picked up:

  • Do not allow your thoughts to refer back to your physical body in any way. This means eliminating physical distraction and reaching a mental state where you forget your physical body. Notice any returning thoughts to the body, including reflecting on "is this it" feelings, intercept them and resume your focus.
  • The hardest thing for me to forget is breathing. I find that breathing through my diaphragm can allow me to lose sensation in that area. Manually inducing a sleeping breathing pattern can also be useful to greatly expedite the relaxation and sleep paralysis process.
  • Engage your focus in a way that works for you. Investing everything into seeing the horizon of darkness induces strong visuals and dissociation for me.
  • You can also try passive imagination. Let it flow naturally. Don't manually comb the experience to fill in details. Engage as many senses as you can.
  • I find it useful to imagine previous lucid dream experiences. I notice that there are often strong emotions associated with dreams that are unlike most physical world experiences. I theorize that focusing on this helps to draw your attention toward the state of mind you are trying to achieve.
  • Try to remain blissfully calm and accepting of the various energy surges and feelings you will encounter.
  • Reflect and eliminate any possible source of fear. I think fear leads back to thoughts of the physical body. One thing that gets me is noises and a sensation like people are walking around near my sleeping body.
  • It is possible to have a successful projection and not even realize or remember it. My understanding is that the mental awareness state must be maintained at both ends of the experience or it will be forgotten like most dreams are. I think this means that you cant go into deep sleep as part of your attempt.
379  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: What does this mean? on: June 19, 2015, 01:37:35
So I've been trying to AP with different methods for awhile and have had no success. But last night, I decided to try and just watch myself fall asleep and I got strong vibrations and pressure that went from my head to my tongue. I also noticed that through this experience I was still pretty conscious during the process but maybe not when it started.

In my experience the sudden onset of transition sensations does occur during a lapse of awareness. Akin to what you described, if you viewed your conscious awareness of your body on a graph you would probably find a saddle where you are crossing over just enough to invoke considerable changes. For me the mental state is comparable to when you realize you almost fell asleep during a movie and get startled. The sudden feelings and mental snap back do make me more aware.

Typically what happens after this is that the symptoms slowly fade away; in my case due to over activity or excitement of the mind. I believe the key is to become familiar enough with these feelings that you can relax through them without skipping a beat.
380  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Phasing attempt while wide awake on: June 17, 2015, 01:26:49
If you haven't looked into AD (Astral Dynamics) by Robert Bruce I would give it a read.  If I am understanding what you are talking about correctly his practical works deals almost exclusively with this type of energy work, which he calls NEW (New Energy Work).  I am not a huge fan of his explanations but his methods for working in this state are very sound.  I am pretty sure you can get just the section of the book that deals with this work for free or very cheap, maybe a dollar.  It deals a lot with building up sensations and several methods of moving focus outside your body, Just about all of NEW can be done from a wide awake state.  Good luck and keep us posted on your progress with this work.

This sounds fantastic. I will definitely look into Astral Dynamics. I have also ordered Explorations in Consciousness.

I actually made my first attempt at Scrying last night. I have a small crystal ball made of selenite and I decided to stare into it to see what would happen. After only a minute or two my field of vision completely greyed out and was replaced by typical closed-eye visuals. I wanted to be sure that my eyes hadn't just closed on their own so I carefully moved my hand into my field of view and my physical sight phased in slowly. I repeated this a few more times for extra validation. I have little doubt that it would be possible to phase with eyes open now as long as there is nothing moving in the field of vision.

I also implemented another tip I picked up from somewhere regarding focusing into the distance beyond any visuals you see rather than focusing at them and I found this to be extremely powerful. My visuals became more vivid and my entire field of view seemed to slowly fluctuate in color with dull greens and pinks, which is something I hadn't noticed before.
381  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Consciousness! / Re: Tactile Imagination, Energy Sensations and Rainbow Tower Method on: June 15, 2015, 01:15:35
Cheers for the replies guys. This message resonates with me.

The key is to lose your focus on your physical body. Once that is achieved, make a intent and "be" there.

In the past few attempts I have been pouring my focus into some kind of mental zone that seems to stimulate alternative vision.

All of those astral moments I had in the past were achieved by letting my imagination run wild. Maybe there is some stock to this too; although it is the danger zone when it comes to accidental falling asleep tongue
382  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Phasing attempt while wide awake on: June 15, 2015, 00:42:27
Thanks for the advice, I have been trying a blindfold recently, but the one I have now has obvious design flaws compared to the two which you mentioned. I am going to try and source something more like the Mindfold; I live in New Zealand so the actual Mindfold is 5x more expensive than the price in the US (that is not due to exchange rate either).

What you describe sounds exactly like what I experience. I am happy to hear that it can be overcome. Great advice regarding the personal obstacles. I will keep this in mind.
383  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Phasing attempt while wide awake on: June 14, 2015, 14:50:23
That is interesting. Your explanation makes sense. I currently attempt afternoon, night and morning phasing. I have been practicing for 6 months, but recently after reading posts here I have become excited and determined enough to keep trying until it happens.

I have tried most of the well known audio tracks including guided meditations. I have also trialed no beats and either way is comparable in outcome for me. I mainly use them to block out other distractions. I am currently trialing some hemi-sync tracks which Xanth suggested and they are my favourite so far.

My biggest obstacle right now is an automatic eye opening response that I get when I reach a hypnotic state. This is actually why I have become interested in awake projection; eyes open feels reasonably natural to me and at times I have ended up starring without blinking for 20 minutes.
384  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Phasing attempt while wide awake on: June 14, 2015, 02:35:38
Thanks for the replies guys. I will look into Scrying and I will keep trying to train this sensation.

Lumaza, It is interesting that you mention the focus on a particular subject. On three or four different occasions I have "spaced out" while awake for only a couple of seconds and got quite a shock because it felt like I was basically receding or falling into my own mind extremely quickly. At this point of time I didn't know about phasing or astral realms so I would rapidly return to physical focus with a scare. I suspect that if I was able to remain calm I could have had an experience.

I have been trying to capture this same feeling during my sleep based phasing attempts, however, somehow the proper focus is much easier to identify when upright compared to laying down. I can't explain why this is yet.
385  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Phasing attempt while wide awake on: June 13, 2015, 13:08:07
For several months I have been developing a strange ability which is growing stronger. I let go of my physical body and then apply focus in a certain way in my mind. I feel electrical sensations running from my head down by body, a numbness in my limbs and a feeling of lightness and dissociation in the mind. The symptoms do resemble the feelings I get when I make normal relaxation based phasing attempts. My guess is that whatever it is that I am doing forces my consciousness slightly away from the physical; however, I cannot maintain the state for long. Focusing too intently on this causes my muscles to twitch and shake intensely.

Does anyone has have any experience with this phenomenon?
386  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Consciousness! / Re: Tactile Imagination, Energy Sensations and Rainbow Tower Method on: June 09, 2015, 02:41:44

By the time I reached the yellow room in the process, I would estimate that no more than 10 minutes had past but I started feeling strange. I tried to keep focusing on my room but for some reason I was unable to. I was feeling complete sleep paralysis and a slight falling sensation. The most prominent feature which was new for me was kaleidoscopic color patterns. Pretty sure the first one I saw was yellow too. I was determined not to get too excited and ruin this opportunity but I was unable to continue imagining so I reverted to noticing instead. After a matter of seconds, my physical eyes slowly began to open.

This is an ongoing problem for me, once I reach a certain stage in the sleep process my eyes open automatically and stay open until the next sleep phase. When it happens I am in almost complete sleep paralysis. My eyes don't seem to dry out and I don't blink. Usually the eyes being open provides enough sensory input to suspend me from completely phasing away from the physical reality.

I decided to abandon the attempt because I was basically stuck in a hypnotic state but unable to relax further due to the light. I tried again about 30 minutes later, and to my surprise I found that I was almost instantly returning to the same depth of hypnotic state that I was in previously. Within a minute or so my eyes began to open on their own again and I was back in sleep paralysis. I repeated this two more times with the same result. I became aware of a new depth to my focus on the 3rd eye region. I don't know if I was focusing in the wrong place before, but something about this felt more natural. Upon engaging with it my energy began to move in a new way. The best way I can describe it, is that it felt like my body was split down the length into two energy sections. The right coil was spinning clockwise and the left coil counter clockwise. Energy would flow up through the center and then spiral around the outsides and back in again.

Excited to see what you guys make of these experiences. I would appreciate any advice on my progress!
387  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Consciousness! / Tactile Imagination, Energy Sensations and Rainbow Tower Method on: June 09, 2015, 02:38:55
Hey guys,

This is my first post and I would like to share some of the experiences I have had over the past 6 months while attempting astral projection. I haven't had a complete astral experience yet, but the things I have felt while meditating vary greatly and are a little bizarre so I am quite interested to hear your thoughts and insights on these events.

Tactile Imagination: This is when your waking imagination seemingly interacts with you physically. It usually happens when the imagination is allowed to run wild after some relaxation.

The first time I experienced this I was imagining a folder to keep documents inside. Subconsciously I decided I wanted to handle the object. When I realized what was happening I was flipping the item around in my hands and it felt physical to touch, however, my real hands were in a different position under the blankets at this time. Upon realizing this I was shocked back to awareness.

In another instance my mind was running free and I saw a Giant with a cricket bat. He he hit me as I was laying in bed, with a type of golf swing, where I was the ball. I felt like I was flying at roller coaster speeds, parallel to the ground. Once again the experience proved too shocking to relax through.

Energy Sensation: Throughout most of my experiences I have been feeling an energy sensation which gets stronger the closer to sleep paralysis I become. I suspect they might be vibrations, however, I am also slightly doubtful of this because I also feel them when I am awake and I seem to be able to induce them at will.

It began on a particular night where I was laying on my side attempting to astral project. I didn't think I was very deep, most sleep paralysis symptoms hadn't kicked in yet and I was lucid but empty of mind. Suddenly I felt a physical jab in my lower spine. It was as if someone had taken two fingers and hit me forcefully. Instantaneously my entire body was flooded with an energy and vibration at a magnitude I had never felt before. It differed from vibrations I had felt in the past in that the sensation had extended beyond the shape of my physical body. I actually felt as if my entire body was an ethereal cloud, but in a reasonably uniform cylinder of perhaps 1 meter radius. The experience was shocking and even though I tried to relax into it, the sensation slowly waned as I became too engaged mentally.

These sensations are getting stronger and stronger in my body and they seem to intensify if I focus in the region of the 3rd eye. It hit a new frontier last night and I will elaborate on that soon.

Phasing Theories:

I am currently trailing two different separation methods, based on two approaches which Frank Kepple described. I believe that keeping the mind away from thoughts of the physical body is key. The first way, Frank describes, as noticing or passive engagement; I interpret this as, avoid thinking about your body by engaging in the activity of noticing. The alternative method is to engage your mind completely in imagination so it is too occupied for thoughts of the physical body.

I personally struggle with passive engagement. A combination of a nose injury and allergies result in me having inflamed sinus cavities a lot of the time. It can get to the point where it isn't comfortable to breath through my nose. This is a problem because breathing through my mouth causes it to dry out and the irritation is prohibitive to relaxation. Ultimately my body's various nags make it difficult to notice without my thoughts returning to my body.

I see the imagination method as turning up the volume knob on your mental engagement and phasing your consciousness away from the physical world. It is also a decent use of time for improving memory and imagination if you are a person that has spent many hours trying to astral project unsuccessfully.

Rainbow Tower Method:

The concept is to create a sequence of imagination which can engage your mind for long enough to forget your physical body. I created the prototype for this sequence by combining some elements of the description Frank Kepple gave of his experience with Monroe's CDs and another method I happened upon which involves visualizing colored objects in the order of the rainbow. There is something to the rainbow method; at first I was skeptical of the significance of the colors and imagined the key was in the familiarity sequence. After violet, you are supposed to imagine glorious white light. Each color I went through, an intense anticipation built up. When I reached the white light phase, I was feeling the strongest exit symptoms I have experienced. I felt like I was falling backwards down into an abyss, but there was something more than just the physical sensation. There was also a profound sense of the unknown. Regrettably, the experience was quite frightening and I unwillingly succumbed to fear, which halted the experience.

I would be interested to hear if anyone thinks there is a special interaction between the mind and these colors or whether it is just the concept of a countdown that creates a powerful positive frame of mind. In either case, I combine both techniques in the Rainbow Tower; it doesn't have to be a tower, choose something important to you. The idea is that you walk up a tower, room by room. The rooms are colored in the rainbow order and filled with objects of that same color. If you like you can imagine that the tower exists in your body and each floor corresponds to the chakra of the area. The colors you imagine will also match to stimulate each chakra. I chose to categorize the objects in my rooms chronologically by my life experience, selecting the ideas, items and people most important at that time for each room. I found the exercise of remembering the things that mattered on each floor to be very engaging and stimulating.

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