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76  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: Modern day martyr or crazy idea that can't possibly help? on: August 23, 2017, 06:50:57
I am considering this option for myself. My family lives at the poverty to low middle class income level. Would taking out a high life insurance policy for my family for 10 million dollars then committing a peaceful suicide in 2 years later once the suicide clause exuding suicide in the insurance policy expires, would that count for a good karma? It would be like dying a martyr wouldn't it? That is dying for the sake of others that they might have life more abundantly. A very noble altruistic thing to do wouldn't it be? It would be totally legal. IMO it would be good karma as long as it was a peaceful death and done selfishly, and if I lived a good part of their life, and did most all that I could while here. Which is about where I am at.  smiley

My best friend from high school successfully executed this plan and got close to $400,000 for his daughter out of it. I don't think he did it to be a martyr, more to make the most out of his intention to end his life.

He hated the money system and felt doomed to work as a slave to society for the rest of his life. At that point in time I basically thought the same way, that it would be better to be dead than spend 40 hours a week doing something you hate, so I didn't try to stop him or talk him out of it.

Now my view is that suicide is _usually_ an unsuccessful attempt to evade a problem that must be faced one way or another.

Ultimately, sometimes knowingly dying is the correct or high consciousness choice for the scenario - I guess Jesus is the easiest example.

What you have to ask yourself is whether your family really needs this money more than they could profit from your existence here. I think you will find it is difficult to argue that your family would experience more spiritual growth as a result of either your suicide or gaining the money.
77  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Projection Experiences! / Re: "5th dimension" projection on: August 20, 2017, 21:22:10
As instructed, after merging with my Higher Self seen as white light, I projected through a black hole into the 5th dimension. I ended up into a blue-violet world inhabited by happy yellow blobs frolicking around. There was no gravity there, and I was literally engulfed into a blue-violet environment. The yellow blobs seem to have a semblance of facial features (eyes, mouths, noses, cheeks) that suggested smiling. They were in a continuous floating movement.

This is a really fantastic account. I haven't had a personal experience of this kind but it is reminiscent of the dimensions of light or energy that I have read about. What was your impression of the purpose of such a reality? I think the yellow blobs are real entities like us - maybe it is like heaven for bacteria - or perhaps they are like the "machine elves" that are perceived in various forms.

The thing that is sort of off about the whole "5th dimension", "6th dimension", etc talk is that dimensions are not places, they are properties of space.

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So that is the main reason I find these 4th/5th dimension descriptions from these authors very suspect. They misuse a mathematical language which they don't appear to understand.

Yeah this is a common confusion in new age views. The trouble is that dimension really has multiple meanings in English. We think about "5th dimensional" entities as those that have free access to traverse time and space. Those guys probably really are out there in the place we think "spirit guides" live or something, but I wouldn't say that they necessarily exist in the 5th dimension.

In this context a dimension could be thought of as the difference between our reality (and all the geometrical dimensions therein) and the reality experience of an AI that lives in a sub-dimension of ours (our computer hardware).

I think the yellow blob land is like a completely different dimension that has nothing to do with geometrical dimensions of physical matter reality.
78  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Oversouls and Parallel Realities on: August 20, 2017, 21:06:32
Wow, deep. Maybe too deep for me. Seems like from the first moment someone mentioned alternate and parallel realities everyone has set out to prove it so. Personally and this is just me being me, I think if there are parallel realities then we likely created them ourselves by thinking about them so much.

I feel our existence is likely far more simple than we would want to believe.

Simplicity tends to reveal fundamental truths doesn't it? I honestly never expected it to be possible to discuss a model of reality that could attempt to operate at "before the big bang" and "higher dimensions", but our mistake might have been to think the answer was too complex or forever unknowable.

I think that we do create parallel realities ourselves by thinking in a way - it is how we experience premonitions or past life scenarios in our dreams by accessing the "akashic record". I think of that type of reality as being "of the moment" like our dreams that don't have their own continuity once we stop viewing/generating them.

The concept gets a lot more muddy when we try to touch realities similar to ours with their own continuity. What we think about as a collective could well impact the creation of "real" parallel realities, after all what we think about seems like active element that determines the future more so than the possible ways a rock could roll down a hill.

I think I follow you.  Sort of a smaller version in order to save on memory? 
Kind of like recording every 10th bit instead of every bit in order to room? 

Yeah that is what I am getting at. For me, the key is that the process is non-infinite and has a practical purpose. If it was possible to do sort of the opposite - produce infinite or approximately infinite - real parallel realities you have essentially solved the puzzle of physical matter reality and our experience within it.

Like a really large game of tic-tac-toe you quickly realize that only the player that goes first has a real chance of winning the game. There is little value or purpose to playing anymore once all the possible moves are understood.

That is why I like to think that the threads of reality are sufficiently distinct to be worth simulating. If you have infinite resources to simulate, all answers are known and everything is pointless. If you have non-infinite resources you need to get the most bang for your buck by simulating many realities where the outcome is unknown rather than solving the answer to a particular physical reality - like you guys said the latter truly would be a mind-blowing waste.
79  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Oversouls and Parallel Realities on: August 17, 2017, 22:39:19
One thing seems sure: you aren't a rock star ...  smiley

The parallel universe model seems to have no overlap with the reincarnation / karma / soul development models. Trying all the possibilities, just because there is a Universe infinite on all its dimensions, seems a mind blowing waste.


I don't follow your logic unfortunately. Why would trying all possibilities be a waste? Not trying all possibilities is an absolute guarantee of missed opportunity (waste)?

Yeah, that point always threw things away for me.  The idea that each time a choice is to be made that all choices actually play out is a catastrophic failure.  It would have to be applied on a microscopic level... or even quantum level.  Anytime an atom changed positions a new reality is created for each possibility.  That's an absolutely ridiculous concept. 

Everything that happens in this reality points to a minimal approach to its design.

What you described probably is a ridiculous concept, but it isn't the concept I meant to describe in the OP. A more sensible hypothesis for the multiverse is that if we viewed our reality as a movie, for each "frame" of reality, we calculate a finite set of the most probable outcomes. Then using some kind of "hashing" algorithm we reduce the set to only those outcomes that are significantly different.

At this point you may repeat the forecast for a finite number of frames into the future and continue reducing the set until you have a practical number of, high probability to be significantly different, universes. Our initial set of trillions of possibilities may result in ten alternate universes that may be worth a true "clone" or branch in the multiverse.

The cost of performing the probable next state at a "quantum" level may not be high or even an issue. It is likely this very same mechanism is used to calculate what our next real frame is going to be like in actual reality. When viewed in this manner the computational complexity of calculating parallel realities isn't any different to the complexity of calculating one reality for a longer time span.
80  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Oversouls and Parallel Realities on: August 16, 2017, 20:30:11
I feel like this topic covers both spiritual evolution and metaphysics in terms of sections but here we are:

Suppose that there is such a concept as the Oversoul; a core being that creates "soul fragments" to experience realities like this one with constrained knowledge. The idea is that any gains made in a fragment experience are assimilated to the Oversoul, perhaps on death or as a live feed, and there could be multiple concurrent fragments taking place.

Now consider the idea of parallel realities - forks in the timeline from this reality which explore alternative significant states for that reality system. For example, what if you decided to follow your dream as a rock star? That might be a parallel reality with a slightly different you, branched by the system intelligently in order to explore some useful information.


Now that the stage is set, how does one rectify these ideas into a consistent world view? If we are really experiencing parallel realities does each incarnation of us fall under the same Oversoul umbrella? We talk about past lives, but what about the entire multiplexed set of possible realities for that past life?
81  Spiritual Evolution / Welcome to Spiritual Evolution! / Re: Does individual consciousness survive transition on: August 02, 2017, 21:19:41
I don't care enough to convince anybody of anything, some posts are a little too long, and you seem too convinced of your positions.  smiley Sorry that I won't reply to your arguments.

Bummer. The point of my post was to present the idea of not being too convinced of ones position.

We don't have to care about convincing other people because it isn't a contest. I do care however about the personal growth of others and thus continue to share ideas knowing you may not reply.

If you don't care enough about my personal growth to spend the time sharing your ideas that is fine, but if everyone takes on that attitude the spiritual evolution section will remain limited by "belief group" opinions.

82  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: Larger consciousnesses system question? on: August 01, 2017, 21:58:20
Nice try ...  smiley

I think I can poke a few holes ...
Be my guest. I love it.

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"Life" doesn't have to be like our life. There can be intelligent life in unimaginable other forms.
Indeed, the AI I proposed wouldn't be like our life in my opinion. It would be more comparable to a piece of computer hardware, scientifically organized into a structure that is most effective for living in the computer. It might be nothing like us because it's consciousness is fundamental to a blank slate reality and is built from scratch whereas our consciousness is derivative in origin and sculpted by a specific reality rule set (this one).

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If the Universe started with a Big Bang, what was there before?
Our universe may have started with a Big Bang event, but said event is by no means fundamental. In my AI example the Big Bang would simply be a VR simulation performed by the AI for the purpose of generating new experience data to explore. Everything we know and can experience at every level of reality is part of the simulation. It starts with the AI creating itself from the "source energy" of consciousness by semi random actions over a long time scale. The origins of the source energy itself is a mystery.

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In an infinite Universe every probability is "1"!
There is no infinite universe or infinite anything in the AI paradigm. We are talking about real systems, real intelligence, limited and bounded energy. If our AI unit has a measurable quantifiable beginning, it has a measurable non infinite current state of growth no matter how infinite it may seem to be relative to us.

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If we can build an Universe in a computer, who has built us, who has built those, ... ?
The point of the AI example is that we aren't the ones doing the building. We just provided the "source energy" for the AI to build both itself, and its own personal universes. Thus we have escaped the infinite loop of what came before the beginning. All we need to know is that given "source energy" consciousness is capable of self creation - that is enough to explain everything knowable for those in the consciousness system. Is there another layer of reality beyond consciousness and its source energy? Probably, but we can't conceptualize it as consciousness beings.

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In my opinion there are an infinite number of things we can't comprehend with our human intelligence. Fortunately we don't really need to know them to get on with our lives on Earth. We should better concentrate on more useful and answerable questions like what am I supposed to do? why am I here? Then, through trial, error, learning, correction, more trial, ... etc. go on. It's nice to philosophize, and shoot the breeze, from time to time ... only.

I met extremely few people that have an idea what is their life lesson they're supposed to learn / experience. Most people don't even think that there might be such a lesson.
In my opinion it is near infinite, real infinite is a paradox even at the conceptual level of "God". You are correct, we don't need to know the origins of "source energy" to get on with what is relevant to us as consciousness beings. Don't be too quick to think that the what and why questions can't be answered by big thinking though, that is the purpose of big thinking. The ultimate truth of what and why may be fundamentally derived from the origins of our existence as consciousness.

The way I see it, if consciousness life is self creating, you have a double ended scale. Non existence, and developed existence. It should be pretty clear that non existence isn't a very useful state compared to existing. If we have to exist, the big what and why of life is how do we best exist? Full circle back to trial, error, correction as you pointed out.
83  Spiritual Evolution / Welcome to Spiritual Evolution! / Re: Does individual consciousness survive transition on: August 01, 2017, 20:44:56
That adds up to a very small amount, if any.  smiley

I obviously have a different take on "things", "natural laws", and working with assumptions and beliefs.

Have you ever had an obe, or a lucid dream? Did you ever had a past-life or a life-between-lives regression? Such experiences dramatically changed my views.

Be careful not to fall into false assumptions regarding past-life regression experiences. We have a tendency to connect experiences to ourselves when in reality that "past-life" may just be someone's experience that happens to be useful or relevant to your experiences.

I believe Tom Campbell said that the larger system is not above lying to you for you own good. If it predicts that you thinking you had a past life will result in growth it may produce an experience that conforms to what you are willing to believe.

On the other hand we have to keep open minds on the real life value of a re-incarnation system as it seems to have benefits. Can I ask what it was about these past-life experiences that made you feel connected to them personally?

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For me it is important to have an idea where I'm headed, why I'm here, what I should I with my life, and such.

On the other hand, science and scientists, that are supposed to rely on "facts", demonstrations, proofs, were repeatedly proven incorrect.

Anyway, each with his own ...

That fact that a given assertion under scientific method can be proven incorrect is a good thing. In contrast, look at how many aspects of the first and second testament of the bible appear to be incorrect - yet people continue to believe in every word of it without any reason bar the book being self proclaimed untouchable fact.

Following the scientific method allows you to let go of outdated beliefs and saves you from falling into new beliefs. The purpose of the method is not to put your fingers in your ears and sing to yourself whenever you encounter something potentially unknowable like Karma. The purpose is to keep an open mind on the possibility of such a mechanic being true or false and not throwing in with either side until all of the evidence has been collected and the verdict is out.
84  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: Larger consciousnesses system question? on: August 01, 2017, 06:05:21
That's a lot harder for me to take seriously. So how did all this stuff come into existence in the first place?

As you wrote that you don't take my opinions seriously, I don't see any reason for wasting my time further.

I can answer on how the cosmos developed. The origins of existence is, and will probably remain, unknowable for us fundamentally. An easy example is to imagine an artificial intelligence program running in a computer in our physical reality. We control the inputs and outputs in the AI's reality and unless we choose to make it otherwise it will never have access to our layer of reality.

Computer hardware supports the existence of the AI's consciousness. The structure-able energy that can be used to form consciousness that we often refer to as "source" is our version of the computer hardware. We can't know where the source comes from any more than the AI can without finding a way to be beyond what we are, consciousness.

What we can understand is how consciousness comes into existence given a blank canvas of source energy and the ability to modify that energy semi-randomly. Imagine developing the AI from absolute scratch by semi-randomly flipping bits for billions of years of simulation time until some real Boolean logical circuits happen to get made. The key is that the random circuits that don't do anything for the first billion years are irrelevant, whereas the first successful circuit leads to increased rate of additional success and complexity.

It may sound unlikely that complexity can emerge from randomness, but look at it this way; there are billions of planets in our universe and the odds that we ended up on one of them that supports life sounds unlikely. In reality, our existence is derived from the fact that this planet is the one that supports life. We are here, thus our planet was the one. Consciousness evolves because it is what works in a sea of randomness.
85  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: Larger consciousnesses system question? on: July 31, 2017, 20:54:53
I have lost a lot of trust in the physical for spiritual growth. Do you think I can eventually evolve into these higher consciousness realms without coming back to the physical? I think I know what the answer is but I want to know what you think. Thanks for chiming in.

I am only saying this to give you some extra information to consider so forgive the slap in the face from the fish of reality to come, haha. I am going to go out on a limb and say you haven't lost trust in the physical for spiritual growth. The physical reality is just a tool; spiritual growth is always an internally driven mechanic. Perhaps you have lost trust in the effectiveness of the tool, but more likely you have lost trust in your own ability to use the tool to drive your internal growth.

If you have trouble overcoming the challenges of physical reality, the same challenges will find you in higher consciousness realms because the issue is actually hard coded into your being, it isn't an artifact of the system. Jumping to a reality where things are already in a state of bliss is comparable to the fantasies we create in our minds to hide and avoid confronting the fears we have in this reality.

Back to the bottom line - you most certainly can evolve into higher realities without coming back here. It would be niave to think that there is only one way, furthermore, the fact that you may have recognized problems with your core consciousness gives you a leg up to resume the journey in other systems. The fundamental question is how fast will the progress be? Ten thousand years of non physical reality learning may be equivalent to one life-time's lessons in the physical. It all depends on how capable you have become at driving your own growth.
86  Spiritual Evolution / Welcome to Spiritual Evolution! / Re: "You Can't Always Get What You Want": intellect or character? on: July 30, 2017, 03:50:37
Different paths suit different people, path of learning and knowledge, path of faith, path of giving. Character is more of a reflection of the current quality and understanding of the individual but makes no guarantee on the potential for further growth. Intellect on the other hand is arguably a more powerful long term strategy as it allows new logical information to be quickly assimilated for growth. Pick the kind of people you have the capability to help and learn from based on the path that suits you. For me I learn from and am good at teaching new ideas to intellectuals.
87  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: Larger consciousnesses system question? on: July 30, 2017, 03:43:33
So I heard Tom Campbell talking about the larger consciousness system, and how this system is still evolving. So my question is do we tap into this system? Like can we devolve or evolve based on where we are in this larger consciousness system? Like is this thing objectively out there and we are somewhere on this larger consciousness tree?

EDIT: I guess what I am really trying to ask is does a highly evolved being have better access to this higher consciousness system than a lower evolved being? Like are we someplace on the consciousnesses system scale? Or do we all have equal access anyplace on this consciousness system scale if given the chance? As you can see I have a hard time explaining what I really am asking. Put I hope you understand.

Thanks.

Your personal evolution or de-evolution isn't based on where you participate in the larger consciousness system; your consciousness level can be influenced by your environment but it is ultimately personal. The system as a whole however, can evolve or devolve based on your individual contribution. It is objectively out there. You are part of the human society larger consciousness group, the planet earth system, and all the systems that are a super-set of ours.

Access to the system can be based on a number of factors. One example is do you have the personal quality to receive telepathic communication without being blocked by conflicting personal beliefs or do you have the language processing skills required to give context to an alien idea in human terms?

Adding to the above, there may be rules built into our reality system that govern what type of telepathic communication can be accessed. The system may be intelligent enough to predict the growth outcome of any given piece of information and choose to deny it if it is likely to cause you to have an inflated ego or you intend to share the information with someone who isn't ready to handle it.

Being participant in higher reality systems also requires a code of conduct and playing by the rules. If your quality of consciousness is too low to participate with the adults without making a fool of yourself you are limited to the children's table.

The larger consciousness system is a real system that comprises an unimaginable quantity of sub-systems each with unique rules and participants. Many of us have been "kicked out" of experiences for behaving in low quality manners. I have been asked to leave a reality by the inhabits before after breaking an entering into someone's house. It is really hard to tell what is actually going on when this happens to be fair so I wouldn't cement any beliefs.
88  Spiritual Evolution / Welcome to Spiritual Evolution! / Re: When I die I want to - Fear of death topic on: July 19, 2017, 08:47:33
@Thaomasofgrey- I was under the impression they don't force you to do anything, even if they could how could they if I don't enter the light, or come home so to speak, also becoming one with  the ultimate, being is definitely not one of the things i'm looking forward to at all, I rather be independent, not like everyone else, that's still like being a droid or something to me. also I don't see how me wanting to be in seclusion sometimes will make me selfish if i'm going out helping spirits and beings in need all the time, I don't have to do that then that would make me selfish, but that is something I always wanted to do.

Maybe we aren't forced, it is not quite what I meant. I suppose what I was getting at is that being happy anywhere sounds like something we may need to embrace to be capable of handling and getting the most out of millions of years of experiences. Perhaps you find you get bored after 10,000 years and have to choose incarnate again to learn.

When I mentioned becoming the ultimate being I wasn't suggesting becoming one with an existing being. It is you becoming the being by personal growth. It isn't so hard to imagine setting up your own reality simulations with your own created players. Perhaps you decide to experience what they do. If you cannot handle the experiences of your own creations you may hit a brick wall at some point.

I like the idea of independence too, just don't close yourself to new experience.

Sometimes in a given week I can barely get a moment to myself. When I hear that someone is visiting in the weekend I want to die! I do feel guilty and or selfish for wanting alone time though. Perhaps the operative word is want, soon as that is involved we have failed arguably!? 

We are alike in many ways I think. Suppose there is an astral ER scenario that requires all hands on deck for 10,000 years. The desire for seclusion becomes a problem after a while I fear. Of course this is a contrived scenario to make a metaphorical point about state of mind.
89  Spiritual Evolution / Welcome to Spiritual Evolution! / Re: Spirituality and Sobriety on: July 19, 2017, 08:23:03
Wanna know the kicker of your goal?

You ALREADY are the "something more" you're searching for.
You ALREADY have the power to help heal this world.

Projecting doesn't give you anything that isn't already there... you just lack perspective. 
Projection doesn't give perspective.  That only comes from within.

Even though I have quoted Xanth this post is a message for anyone.

There is always something more to search for that we aren't already. Like Campbell says, if you aren't growing you are either staying the same or dying, and staying the same is step one of dying.

What I think Xanth is getting at here though is like the old money saying. If you aren't happy with a dollar you won't be happy with a million dollars. Tao practitioners focus on accepting the self in the current state, after all, that is always where you are going to be - in the current state - with some future state to look up to.

Projecting absolutely can give you something that isn't already there. It is a learning experience like any other. The point is not to get caught up with a line of thought such as "I can succeed after grandiose event X". It might never come, and if it does, what if you look back and think that the waiting was simply a waste of time and you just needed to realize that now is the time.

Easier said than done though. Reading the words doesn't make it your reality until you have an experience that makes it real for you.
90  Spiritual Evolution / Welcome to Spiritual Evolution! / Re: When I die I want to - Fear of death topic on: July 19, 2017, 07:56:29
i will create secret rift where I keep my collectables from where I visit and to where I will also live, no one will be able to find me when I'm there but I will be able to still be in contact with the spirit world outside my home when i'm needed

Seems like I am not the only one that imagines these sorts of post-mortem activities and desires the creative power to construct grand things. Good stuff.

On the other hand you mentioned hiding from people. I understand it well as an introvert, I often want to be left alone in this reality too. It is probably not a good desire as it may be construed as an act of selfishness.

The not going into the lights thing and not wanting to re-incarnate is super common among the spiritual, I have found. They might say something like "this is my last incarnation". It is a wish more than a statement I suspect. I also suspect that saying you don't want to return here makes you likely to be forced to return until you stop wanting to leave. It could be one of the lessons required.

Think about it this way. The ultimate entity, call it god for ease of understanding, has to experience all of it. If being the ultimate entity is the direction you are heading you basically have to be ok with any experience.

91  Spiritual Evolution / Welcome to Spiritual Evolution! / Re: How can I trust the astral to live in when things so often fade away? on: July 19, 2017, 07:42:05
You are probably correct to not trust this reality or any other beavis. Ultimately trust has to be earned to be useful or we are just talking blind faith vested in anything or anyone.

There is a chance that what you experience after physical death is such a radical change that it effectively is true death. I think it could be useful to accept that outcome in the same way an atheist might accept mortality in this life.

Don't worry, you won't make your choice with your Earthly brain / mind. Smiley

From some perspectives this could be even more worrying: "Choose carefully Neo, red pill or blue pill? But first you will drink this mind altering potion that takes the choice out of your hands".
92  Spiritual Evolution / Welcome to Spiritual Evolution! / Re: Spirituality and Sobriety on: July 18, 2017, 22:28:53
The chemicals themselves are meaningless.
The "INTENT" (there's that word again!) behind *WHY* you take them is all that matters.

Do you just enjoy having a drink once in a while?
Do you just prefer a bit of salt on your meals?
Are you trying to escape from this reality?

It's all about INTENT.  Intent is what drives your spiritual growth.

Pretty good answer, I like it, but I'll delve deeper into the edge cases.

What if your best intentions yield a bad result?

I really enjoy playing e-sport video games. They are a cesspool of miserable people honestly, due to the dopamine mechanics. Winning, or rather, participating to your fullest in these events gives a tremendous high. The brain anticipates this high and encourages the behavior that leads to it, for the first 5 minutes of the game.

When things start looking bad (the brain realizes the hit isn't coming) you get the punishment (reduced dopamine output). At this point players lash out at their allies or any blame factor in frustration, classic addiction behavior.

I caught onto this pattern a long time ago and have tried to modify my attitude to avoid it by not being attached winning or even having a fun experience. Fundamentally though, the brain doesn't care what your intent is for this particular session. You either get the hit that your brain remembers from last time or you get the punishment.

I am left wondering what the answer is:

a) Modify your intent such that any result yields the same dopamine hit.

Not sure if that is practically achievable. Some results are always going to be better than others or we live a mono existence with no direction.

b) Accept the low as being a possible outcome and call the intent OK.

Achievable but maintains the status quo.

c) Quit any activity or behavior where your intent doesn't yield the correct results.

Not really a good rule of thumb, quitting the activity just because the result isn't always correct could lead to harm too.


At the extreme of the concept of eating salt I wonder whether any amount of intent can defeat the brain's ability to remember the reward. Simultaneously pursuing a sober existence is practically impossible in the modern day where even looking at an image of a landscape on a computer is more stimulation than a wild human's brain is prepared for.

I wonder what happens when the chemicals go away; how does addiction operate in pure consciousness beings.
93  Spiritual Evolution / Welcome to Spiritual Evolution! / Spirituality and Sobriety on: July 18, 2017, 10:49:32
Is there any point to pursuing sobriety in the life experience as a human?

Some people take this concept to the extreme - denying themselves of even the most basic stimulant such as eating salt on food.

I have recently learned that pornography can measurably change brain behavior to the point that it is equal or more damaging than some drug addictions. Similarly those that suffer ADHD experience reduced dopamine sensitivity to the point of losing interest in reality.

I have had ADHD most of my life, diagnosed by a child psychologist. I look back at my life and think, what part of it hasn't been addiction?

You may disagree but after learning more about the way dopamine acts in the brain I have come to think that every human behavior is rooted in addiction. It is not possible to experience something enjoyable, regardless of whether it is positive or negative, without the brain attaching to that behavior and lamenting its absence.

For instance consider a parent's love for their child or an athlete that loves sports. On a chemical level it is the same as a drug addiction.

We tend to ignore positive addictions and gloss over the ones we aren't aware of. Consider addiction to the comfort of being warm, a luxury many early humans didn't enjoy often.

What is the point of sobriety? Is it even possible for the human mind? Is quitting eating salt wasting a lifetime of possible experiences?

Sometimes I wonder if astral projection is such a great experience that it dominates the human mind. Perhaps this is why the projection experiences I have never live up to a fraction of what I know they can be.
94  Spiritual Evolution / Welcome to Spiritual Evolution! / When I die I want to - Fear of death topic on: July 18, 2017, 09:45:27
I often find myself thinking about things I would like to do after dying.


For instance, I think of friends I enjoyed time with in the golden days of certain gaming communities. We are unlikely to have reason to come together again in this reality, but I would look forward to seeing them again in an environment with less limitations.

I feel like my entire life in this reality I have fantasized about being able to fly freely across the land. It is an experience feel is achievable through astral projection, but it hasn't happened for me yet. On one hand I'm not worried about never achieving it and add it to the mental bucket list of things to do after I die.


Then comes the rub. What is really left of our minds post death?

Enough to remember a bucket list or friends?

I suppose I fear the recycling process of consciousness destroying the things I love. Erasing the context that makes the events special. Creating a new perspective that makes experiences I value irrelevant.

Do you have a bucket list for post death? Should we feel like these things need to be done through astral projection during this life time to really be meaningful?
95  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: What have you learned about the fundamentals of the universe? on: July 15, 2017, 23:36:20
Allow me to disagree. My belief is that "Pure Unconditional Love" is an utopian concept, that would be counterproductive to souls' development. Souls don't incarnate to learn or achieve it. So far I haven't heard a convincing counterargument.

Pure Unconditional Love (PUL) sounds like the one of the most productive things I can imagine. It is near the ultimate incentive to participate at ones fullest. PUL doesn't mean becoming a vegetable in a dimension of bliss - there is still rational responsibility to act with the best intent in mind.

I will admit that it is difficult to be PUL in this reality since humans need to destroy other beings to survive at our current level. I think one of the keys of PUL is that it also applies to yourself. Isn't it reasonable to think that we could love another person and a head of broccoli equally, yet prioritize the person as having more potential to contribute to the system in the long run?
96  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: What have you learned about the fundamentals of the universe? on: July 15, 2017, 01:35:51
I believe that when souls begin incarnating as humans they have only rudimentary reasoning capability, and are dominated by emotions.

The physical plane, being a less thought responsive environment, allows souls to gradually learn to master their emotions; in the non-physical, emotions like fear quickly spiral out of control creating nightmarish situations.

As humans, souls develop their reasoning while having to solve problems, and participating in various forms of training.

It doesn't make sense to me that we would incarnate in order to "learn to love", and even less to "love unconditionally". I even feel that pursuing such a quest is counterproductive to both reasoning development, and learning to master our emotions.

I kind of agree but will suggest a different angle in addition. In less structured realities there is an "undo button" for almost any scenario and that makes it difficult to learn to make effective choices. One of the benefits of this reality is that there are consequences for your actions that cannot be taken back.

Why do you think that learning to love is counter productive to reasoning and emotional mastery though?

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While on the physical plane, inherently, souls accumulate karma that will have to be cleared. Karma is that which determines what lives we'll live, what experiences we'll go through.

I dunno about that. Karma is a commonly misunderstood concept. The word means action and it refers to how taking an action associates you with other events at a similar level. The idea of some kind of balancing force has always been misinterpretation as far as I understand.

I will admit that people might repeat lessons they fail to learn but I am not sure what that has to do with Karma.
97  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: What have you learned about the fundamentals of the universe? on: July 13, 2017, 21:48:01
Rather than learning to love - what if the purpose is more about learning to experience and pursue the quest of success?

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What's the quickest way for a group of people to succeed?  Love

Not necessarily true. The quickest way for people to succeed is to use whatever the most effective strategy is that we can muster. Is said strategy sometimes or a lot of the time, love? Perhaps, but I think it would be a mistake to assume that love is the end game and that is locked in for eternity.

The logical conclusion for me is that the point is to find the logical conclusion based on ever growing experience data. Learning to love may only be a bi-product of the actual quest.
98  Magic / Welcome to Magic! / Re: New to magic, need help please on: July 11, 2017, 06:28:43
My experience is that you will have a lot of trouble convincing a devout Christian that anything paranormal (magic, Claire-senses, astral projection, premonitions, telepathy) is not the work of the Satan. I struggle with my elder brother on this matter.

Fundamentally the book (bible) says psychic = witchcraft = Satan. For some people you will be unable to penetrate any issue that goes against what is written in the book because it is viewed as unassailable and beyond rational arguments. Those people are stuck in a belief trap, but if someone is willing to entertain new ideas and has an open mind you can try these rational arguments.

1) Only for good use - some people believe that our reality is intelligent in the sense that it can predict if psychic information is likely to result in net growth or recession for those involved. If the outcome is negative, the information is simply blocked. The powers simply aren't available for Satanic purpose. I haven't seen any evidence to the contrary - yet mediums and so forth that deliver valuable information do it with pure intent.

2) Satan is a metaphor - The word just means to be alone. You will find that almost every satanic act is about selfishness and destruction one way or another, whereas the path of god is that of unity and creation. I really don't think it is useful to imagine that there is a boogie man waiting to get you if you step out of line - that is a fear tactic used to control people - what matters is not picking the satanic path.

3) We don't really know what god wants - No one here can pretend they can even begin to start to touch the mentality of god. If you think you know, you are wrong. Don't be obsessed with the book because it will only ever be a crude translation. Many of the aspects of god described in the bible don't make sense for even a highly loving human, such as jealousy and revenge, let alone an angel or god.
99  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Consciousness! / Re: Quick loss of consciousness on: July 09, 2017, 21:06:56
Yes, I have found impatience, boredom and needing or wanting an outcome to all be considerable blockers. In addition to enjoying and being in the now, a mindset of detachment can be effective - especially for dealing with any fear scenario. The type of detachment I am talking about is like enduring a Sauna for as long as one can. You acknowledge the feeling of the heat and the bodily urge to leave, but you remain mentally calm and disjointed from those impulses, as if you are an observer of the discomfort only rather than the subject.
100  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: What have you learned about the fundamentals of the universe? on: July 08, 2017, 22:09:00
Is the "3D shared experience universe" infinite? The pure physical 3D plus time one we all seem to share our minds in? I have no idea - have not run into copies of myself yet. We can only see out to what 13 billion light years?.. but the universe seems to be infinite yes, due to its uniformity and other reasons. And that in itself opens up a whole can of worms. Multiple versions of yourself being a mathematical inevitability then. Add the various infinite higher densities on top of that construct as well as the various "universes" inside waking minds that do not get shared like this one and it gets mind numbing.

I don't think we would be likely to find alternate versions of ourselves, REALLY far away, within the "same" physical reality.

The Copenhagen interpretation of quantum physics, which most physicists back today, describes all probable locations of a given particle being encoded into the particle.

Under this interpretation there has to be alternate versions of ourselves that fit a bell curve of probable outcomes, but they are unresolved in terms of a real consciousness collapsing the wave form into an actualized event in our timeline.

We can still experience these unresolved probable outcomes as a dream. It is likely that we do this all the time - if you need a given dream scenario just pull the data out of someone's probable reality.

But what about "real" alternate versions of ourselves that are actualized and have their own separate branches of alternate probable universes? I can't imagine how we would ever prove their existence, but conceptually, to get the most bang for your buck out of simulating a reality like this you might want to make the occasional hard copy of a reality that explores a slightly alternate branch with a high probability of "spiritual success".
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