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76  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: New perspectives on intimacy in dreams on: October 19, 2017, 01:39:50
Thanks Stillwater. I don't believe that anyone gets harmed in these scenarios or that the choice one way or the other would lead to harm. I like this idea of the middle way, thanks for explaining that, I feel freer and better able to judge moral choices now.
77  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / New perspectives on intimacy in dreams on: October 18, 2017, 23:07:14
When I began at this forum I would very often face issues of lust in dreams. I might experience impulses to have sex with incidental characters in the dream. I may take conscious awareness of the scenario and seek out these kinds of experiences. Like many of the aspects I witnessed in the dreams my core being has taken dramatic shifts in behavior and intent. I feel good about this, but with the new perspective comes new issues to handle.

Increasingly, and in particular with abstinence from pornography, I find women seeking me out in dreams with a total role reversal. It probably sounds great, but for one reason or another I find myself denying the experiences these dreams are delivering. Perhaps the compass of my core being has swung too far. A definite part of the mechanic I have identified is a sense of guilt that relates to my physical reality partner and my commitment to her, even though we have agreed that non-physical encounters do not constitute a transgression on our relationship here. Furthermore I believe that monogamous relationships are really a foundation of low spiritual quality anyway, such as jealousy, and have little place in true unconditional love.

As these issues seem to do, I have noticed this compass problem is presenting itself in physical reality. The natural inclination to back away from other females causes a slight, but undeniable, knee jerk reaction. I have sensed that in some cases this reaction can cause suffering for the other party, which clearly goes against Buddhist philosophies.

I _think_ that the dreams are telling me to allow the balance between these extremes to be found and let the situations unfold without guilt. It is hard to be sure. What do you think?
78  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: DevilDogDogma's Experiences on: October 17, 2017, 23:49:43
The challenge is to become Lucid though, otherwise it is just a recalled Dream and you had no control at all over it.

I was kind of confused lately because all I have been reading here on a Forum named the Astral Pulse is other people's Dream Journals. It's been awhile since anyone has actually shared a story or experience here based on achieving projection while completely 100% consciously aware from the get-go.

In a conscious AP, you are aware all the way through it. There is no getting you bearings involved. You are there purely by conscious intent.

This is a really controversial and complex topic, this will be great, I am ready to dive deep. What is the difference between a lucid dream and a recalled dream?

Sometimes we say that a lucid dream is when you are aware that you are dreaming. Lucid dreaming is when you are aware that you are a human, your human mind set has started to enter the dream. I think if we measured brain waves we would see cortex thoughts have started to get in. This is often why we begin to de-stabilize and wake up, and also why it is more common to become lucid as you approach waking anyway.

Do our human thoughts really belong in these dreams and why is it useful to have them? When we die the cortex and its logical thinking dies with it?

When I am lucid dreaming or...not, it is pretty hard to differentiate for me at this point, I am still making decisions actively regardless of whether I know I am dreaming or human. When I look back at what occurred the contrast is that when I don't know I am human I feel the decisions are coming from the core being level. When I know I am human it is more like waking life, but I feel that our waking life should be more like the core being dream than visa versa. Have we mixed up which of these experiences is actually the higher order of consciousness?

Why is it impossible to learn from the decisions when we make them from a core being level. The lessons are still remembered and make an impact on the next core being experience for me.

In the long duration conscious projection experiences I have had, I have not actually remained aware with the human mindset for the entire experience. It starts off like a human lucid dream and quickly transitions to a core being experience as you get into the flow.

I'm certainly glad that Thomas Edison, Nikola Telsa, Einstein and others of note didn't feel that way. Thomas Edison once said "I have not failed 10,000 times. I have not failed once. I have succeeded in proving that those 10,000 ways will not work."
 Achieving something of note, especially a fully consciously aware OBE/AP, by hard work and dedication creates a sense of personal satisfaction on a whole new level.
I think that Tesla did think exactly this way. He made a point in the video posted in the other thread about the benefits of refining his inventions in mind space without actually building physical prototypes. He worked smart and hard while others wasted time, perhaps working even harder than he did on dead end roads. I have watched my own family members exhaust themselves with fruitless labor for years. It makes me very mindful of putting effort into prospects that look profitable. We can't succeed without doing that. I understand Edison's quote, but I think he would also agree that he found 10,000 different ways that will not work, he didn't repeat the same mistake 10,000 times.

What I was actually trying to say is that I am not convinced that it does take a lot of hard work and determination to achieve conscious projection. I haven't proved it yet but I suspect that if we were able to visit an advanced alien culture they would say projection is easy because they understand the requirements fully. Most experts seem to agree that we get in our own way more than needing to overcome some innate difficulty in projection, it is supposed to be natural.
79  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: DevilDogDogma's Experiences on: October 17, 2017, 22:15:07
I disagree with Thaomas on this one. I see LD's as more of a "effect" of a successful OBE. A successful OBE opens you to a new awareness. That new awareness will be felt in all aspects of your life. Waking or dreaming. You will just seem to notice more in general. Hence the increased LD's.

Lucid dreams are the default out of body experience for us. I think almost every child has them regularly long before successful conscious induced events enter the picture. Maybe what you are saying here is that conscious events further alter the content of lucid dreams by introducing an increased awareness mindset. I can agree with that, but I still feel that lucid dreams are an introductory egg experience and conscious projection is the next evolution chicken in this relationship.

If you have to crawl before you can walk, might as well get the most out of crawling that we can. We are going to get exposed to dreams each night. I don't see it as a trade-off so much as a very valuable bonus experience waiting to be seized.

Projecting consciously is hard. Repeating it is even harder. But just because something is hard, doesn't mean it can't be achieved. When I hear someone advise another to rely on LDs instead of going the harder route, I see that as a "cop out". This is hard for a reason. You have lived all your life, so far, thinking that you were just your physical body and that nothing lies beyond that. Now, spontaneously or otherwise, your eyes have been open to a new truth. One that words alone couldn't prepare you for. That new revelation should be the result of hard work and determination.

I advised to "re-distribute some of the effort" into lucid dreaming rather than to totally rely on it. If it takes weeks, months or even years, which it can, to achieve conscious projection it would be unfortunate to not have been utilizing the free experiences we get each night.

My intent here was truly to encourage the best results, not to dissuade, so I have to apologize if that isn't the message that was delivered.

To add further commentary to the way I think about this now; I have witnessed lots of people start at the idea of conscious projection with gusto, but the metaphor resembles trying to reach the promised land on the other side of a brick wall by running into it at full speed repeatedly. Almost everyone gets to at least feel the presence of the wall in the early experiences but tend to lose interest before actually penetrating it.

I feel that our techniques have to be partially to blame for this outcome because they don't deliver in vacuum. Hard work and determination might be pivotal for success, I'm not convinced it is actually, but is also fruitless if the determination is to run into the wall instead of learning how to pass it. Advanced machines and learning strategies can be used to teach someone to achieve the same proficiency in meditation in a couple of sessions that typically takes monks decades. We should do our best to work smart and hard.

I guess my bottom line here is that we might have it backwards. Brute forcing the wall can open our eyes to the truth, but if we just open our eyes to the truth the wall comes down. This is why I labored the point of examining motivation before practical technique. I am in the early stages of discovering how we can easily open our eyes to the truth and how that may impact the ease or difficulty of conscious projection.
80  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: The Unsolvable Mystery of Reality Itself on: October 17, 2017, 19:58:53
Maybe we can side step the issue of knowing when we are at the outermost layer of reality and assess the model directly with some assumptions on the possible branches that could exist.

If there is no outer layer, you have an infinite cascade; it poses some annoying problems so maybe we can drop that logical branch as being unlikely or supremely mysterious and unknowable. 

If there is an outer layer it is the true origin of existence. I think this implies that something can come out of nothing. There is no practical way of knowing how long ago the something came about, but it gives us a finite existence.

Other alternatives may exist - perhaps when you get beyond the outer most loop of the consciousness layer, any logical conception we have is invalid.

Its still a really unsatisfying tree. All three branches seem to dead end before anything world breaking is learned.
81  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Consciousness! / Re: Being able to project only by focusing on breathing. How is that possible? on: October 17, 2017, 19:35:47
The slow breathing is a natural state for humans. When we are sleeping it tends to be deep in the diaphragm and rhythmic. We lose that with the stress of adulthood and it is unhealthy. Some people call the technique of projection through this mechanism "sleep breathing". They suggest you even go as far as to record your breathing pattern while you are asleep and learn to replicate it. Many techniques are effective for doing this such as box breathing or my preferred Butekyo. You should think of it like an action that induces sleep paralysis, that is what happens in practice.

Focusing on the heart beat or the breathing itself, even if you don't do sleep breathing changes your brain waves. Lucid dreaming and deep meditation tend to be associated with low levels of "beta waves" that usually correspond to cerebral cortex logical thought in our waking state, and an increase in gamma waves. The ceasing of the beta waves shouldn't be mandatory for OBE, but the presence of gamma waves possibly is mandatory. When a person's third eye is open these waves are able to co-exist in synchronization - think of it like experiencing logic, creative insight, intuition and lucid dreaming simultaneously; truly a blissful state.

In general I think it is necessary to reduce the beta waves in order for the gamma behavior to begin, so we squelch the cerebral cortex. The Buddha gave instructions on the achieving the out of body state; "stop naming things". That's the cortex. Focusing on the breathing or heart beat fills your mind with busy work that is intended to distract you from naming things. That is all that is going on here in my opinion. The visualization and non physical focus methods are a kind of advanced short cut into the gamma wave state that can make it easier to make the transition without experiencing uncomfortable exit symptoms.

I'll preempt a question; when you lose your "non physical focus" and thoughts return to your body, you have started to name things and returned to the beta brain wave state.
82  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Dark entities on: October 17, 2017, 01:28:11
Thanks for your insightful response. Itís true that I have a real fear, and Iím cognizant of it, of being killed in a violent manner, such as a gun shot to the head.   I didnít draw a parallel between said fear and the nightmarish figure I encountered. As I have somewhat frequent episodes of sleep paralysis, the lesson I drew from this was, although Iím afraid, I can take control of the situation and rise above my fears in any given situation.
No worries. Maybe it would pay dividends to consider why you are afraid of being killed. I am afraid of dying in this physical life before the mission is completed so to speak. There are things to learn prior to the next stage. It is good to experience rising above, I think this will have a lasting impact, even if you continue to have these kinds of dreams for a while longer.
Typically when I wake up paralyzed, Iím fully aware of whatís happening. Not being able to move doesnít generate any fear, itís the very intense feeling of not being alone. Instinctively you want to turn around to reassure yourself but you canít move. You lay there helplessly sensing imminent danger. With this somewhat successful experience under my belt, Iím better equipped to deal with this type of situation going forward.
The way you described this reminds of a page from the manga Stardust Crusaders. Studies show that humans know when they are being watched a high percentage of the time. No one can explain exactly how this works but it could be a psi phenomenon. Perhaps the feeling of not being alone is an extension of this property applied to consciousness that doesn't necessarily have a physical body here.

At the same time though I am reminded of the fear of separation, that imminent danger or death feeling that causes us to pull back from early projection attempts.

I will share an experience I had on a drug induced trip. It was an encounter your deep rooted fears style event. I was deep and felt paralyzed. I had a feeling that something bad was happening with my partner but I was powerless to help. It revealed an incredible fear of loss, I was pretty desperate but had no control. When these feelings reached a climax I experienced a resignation of what I could control and a letting go of fear.

The moment this happened I woke up and experienced a physical purge, vomiting with nothing to throw up. Dry heaving with a deep guttural sound that I had never experienced before. The reason I recounted this experience is to point out the struggle against what you cannot control and the eventual resignation I experienced. Why do you think it is so uncomfortable to be intimidated by the presence of this entity? Perhaps another fear of death test.
83  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: The Unsolvable Mystery of Reality Itself on: October 16, 2017, 19:52:51
So why isn't there nothing? Nothing might actually be unstable. It might be under direct risk of spontaneously differentiating itself into opposites, in an act of un-directed creation.

Sounds like a plausible mechanic. The sun we are trying to touch is the root of causality. I think most people can contend with the logic that reality systems can have a true casual beginning if they exist as a nested system.

Suppose that the highest conceptual level that exists for us is primordial consciousness, and it can exist spontaneously through opposites. For me this infers that conscious existence is potentially infinite because the spontaneity needs no cause and thus has unlimited time and existence on its hands.

I find infinite existence to be unsatisfactory - it undermines my sense of purpose. There is still parts left unanswered though, what is the medium? All of the reality systems we know about have a medium. A quantum vacuum seems like a real medium. The spontaneous primordial consciousness has a medium that we arbitrarily label the source.

Its Matryoshka dolls all the way up and all the way down trying to grapple with this.
84  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Dark entities on: October 15, 2017, 19:56:51
What you experienced here is possibly just a core being lesson. I get these almost every day. You are put in a scenario that may not occur all that frequently in physical reality, such as a confrontation with an entity that causes a fear response. You react violently towards that entity, and thus the lesson is revealed that you hold some fears, perhaps of being physically threatened, and that your default is to feel hostility towards these threats.

For years I would experience threatening entities in dream experiences and very often I would physically fight with them, truly a pointless struggle in these dreams but a persistent scenario. The reason I had this experience is that I was afraid of humans attacking me in real life, I saw it everywhere I went in normal life. A response encoded into my core being due to years of physical threats and abuse living in a violent society.

Over time this illusion has slowly been dispelled. I no longer fight with entities in my dreams. I rarely feel afraid of people I see in real life. The core being response has changed. This is the lesson you are experiencing.

Where does the lesson come from? I don't really know, but I suspect the scenario could be a form of telepathic communication from another entity.
85  Spiritual Evolution / Welcome to Spiritual Evolution! / Re: Reconciling non-physical models on: October 15, 2017, 19:47:21
I think that both models are probably valid in isolation as somewhat separate systems that don't need to be reconciled into a consistent reality view such as the apparent consistency of this reality.

I suspect the reality model you get in the non-physical is some hybrid between what you expect and what you require. In a thriving metaphysical cosmos with access to concepts like the akashic record, if you can imagine it, it may well be a real system out there. Just imagining it might even be enough to make it real even if it wasn't pre-existing.

One interesting aspect though is the idea of retrievals for the lost vs automatic hand holding for those that die. I always found the idea a bit strange that dead people would be hanging out in fantasy scenarios waiting to be rescued and we need to be enlisted for this job. It is as if there is a lack of manpower to reach these entities, but that seems bizarre. One aware unit of consciousness should be able to concurrently visit every human that has ever lived and solve this issue in a few minutes.

It is possibly an issue of force - those that want to remain stuck get to be and those that have the will to move on automatically get put into the educational zone. Volunteers are required to take it upon themselves to go and help the stuck people. Its anyone's guess as to why mass enlistment doesn't work in this hypothetical.
86  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: DevilDogDogma's Experiences on: October 13, 2017, 02:02:06
Thank you for the information Thaomas.  I realize I didn't give my intent.  My intent behind striving to Astral Project is mainly for knowledge.  There are massive gaps in information on our purpose, why we are here, what we can do to better ourselves.  Most personal development I've practiced has been hollow.  Most gurus create an almost cult-like atmosphere and do not like challenged on beliefs ect.  I love pushing boundaries and exploring new ideas.
Sounds legit. You are on the warriors path, using logic to find answers and pursue big truths and wisdom. It is important to differentiate gee whiz knowledge like "what was Atlantis like?", which probably has little meaningful impact, from the noble pursuit of knowledge.
I think the biggest pull for me is exploring myself.  We spend alot of time in our lives shutting our minds off and resting.  Even awake I've caught myself shutting down and my focus lost. While rest is vital, I think I can use some of that time to develop myself, my knowledge, and form much stronger convictions and beliefs.  I already have noticed my mind is much less cluttered throughout the day, my mood is much better,  and I seem much more clear headed. 
I think your intent is good, you hopefully won't find much resistance in this area. It would be nice to make use of the time we sleep. For a long time I day dreamed on this concept, but usually with respect to getting physical matter reality stuff achieved with an extra 8 hours in the day, or spending more time on the things I find fun like gaming. Recently I am getting life lessons from dreams almost every night so the prophecy has been realized, but not quite in the way imagined initially or with the same degree of freedom and control.
I will definitely start researching lucid dreaming.  I've already begun a dream journal to improve recall, which I naturally assumed would improve remembering OBE experiences.

Thanks so much for the information, I'm glad I found a place with people I can relate with.
Many people find journals useful, I am not very dogmatic about it and a bit lazy when it comes to writing things down. What really matters is that you develop that skill of transferring the memory of the dreams into your physical brain. The journaling is just about wrote learning something school style to make it sink in. You can achieve the same results with reflection.

Often times waking up in the early hours of the morning will make it easy to remember the dreams. Especially if this happens several times before you finally wake in the morning. I don't know if you could call it a trick, but drinking tons of water prior to going to sleep can ensure a few early morning wake ups...
87  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: DevilDogDogma's Experiences on: October 12, 2017, 20:05:46
Welcome, if you are insatiable about astral information this is a pretty good place to be. Your experiences so far strongly resemble mine, and almost everyone's. The big question is how do we push through all of that cruft of physical problems, self initiated blocks, snapping back issues, fear tests and so on.

There is a lot of consistency in the way we fail but there doesn't seem to be much to grasp on to in terms of consistent ways to succeed. Even if a person that does succeed regularly explained their experience it can be difficult to replicate since the experience is so subjective and based on internal factors.

Everyone wants to start at this with conscious projection. For most people, including myself, it will be the most difficult thing you have ever tried. I would start by re-distributing some of the effort into lucid dreaming. I recommend this because it is easy to succeed in experiencing other realities right away if you skip the conscious transition issues. At the end of the day the experiences you end up with through these two alternate initiation methods will be largely the same.

The idea that conscious projection will result in a special type of experience where you have your full mental faculties and or experience something life changing doesn't seem to always hold water. I thought this way until I had a few conscious projections and found them to be identical to lucid dream kind in almost every facet.

To get started with lucid dreams is pretty easy, all you have to do is think about dreaming before you go to sleep. If it is something that is "on your mind" you will have dreams. The next step is to improve your recall of the dreams. You do this by trying to remember the dream as your first action upon waking. If you wake up thinking "breakfast time" or something like that you have an issue with the intent and have to put more mental energy into thinking about dreams.

The dream recall aspect builds momentum with each dream you remember, every day, until you are experiencing what seems like 6 hours or more of dreams every night. This will get you accustomed to your core being, the dream you.

When it comes to conscious projection I won't labor over techniques because they probably won't work for a while to be honest. What you need is to understand who you are at a core being level and why you are trying to consciously project. The mandatory attitude perhaps, is to do it for self improvement and service to fellow conscious beings. What will almost certainly block you is roller coaster rides, anything that makes you feel special like performing miracles, indulgence in fantasies, craving an experience that will make you feel better than you do now.

What I just described really takes the fun out of it in many ways for our normal attitudes coming in. It is important to understand that our ability to access these other realities in our minds is limited by the "physics" of this reality experience in order to preserve the sandbox of the human life experience. The "physics" of this reality has an end game of you becoming a better you. If the "physics" predicts that conscious projection experiences aren't adding anything to your end game those experiences will be actively denied. It sounds mystic but that is how it works in my observation.

Digest this. I am happy to help you on this mission.
88  Dreams / Welcome to Dreams! / Re: ThaomasOfGrey's Dream Journal on: October 10, 2017, 21:45:00
The experience started in the town center of my home town. I visited the video store with my family and looked for a movie to rent. The scenario lingered for a very long time around this but I can't quite remember what the controversy was. My elder brother was present in this dream which is uncommon as he lives remotely.

The scenario shifted to the orchard, my childhood home, it is a spiritual home of a kind and I very often dream of this location. When I arrived there were a bunch of shipping containers that were surprising to find. Some kind of a containment breach had occurred and I was very concerned about this. The specifics of what was happening with what was inside those containers escapes me.

Some foreign being was there. I perceived it as an extraordinarily powerful being and it was not necessarily a good being. It may have been what was inside the containers yet I seemed to perceive it outside the containers or perhaps telepathically. Somehow the entity reminded me of a super villain such as Darkseid or Hexxus.
89  Dreams / Welcome to Dreams! / ThaomasOfGrey's Dream Journal on: October 07, 2017, 19:37:53

In the dream I had agreed to meet my partner at the ocean for a swim each evening. There was a Warf with a conjoined building that had its base in the water. The water was pretty rough but I went for a swim anyway and dove underwater around the base of the building. Underneath the building I saw something that looked like a dead body. I did a few more dives since it was around 5 meters deep, and confirmed that there was a dead youth down there. I think it was the body of a girl, maybe around 12 years old. I wasn't afraid but the entire scenario including the atmosphere of the waves and water was dark and malicious.

I transitioned into another area on the beach where a group of people I knew from school were hanging out. One bully that often appears in my dreams as a kind of fear test was present but I felt no fear or animosity this time. We spoke about the dead girl and he said he had seen her too.
90  Spiritual Evolution / Welcome to Spiritual Evolution! / Re: The ethical dilemma of eating to live on: October 05, 2017, 20:04:15
They aren't black and white at all, and the views here were so polarizing as predicted, but I am glad I started this thread. Lots of information to absorb and it prompted more research into Buddhist philosophies that I need in my life right now.

I think I will continue to eat meat, but I feel privileged that most animals in New Zealand are free farmed and get a decent go at life. Factory farming is where it starts to cross the line in my mind of being potentially more harmful than driving a car for instance.
91  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Pulse Island! / Re: Infinite knowledge on the astral plane? on: October 04, 2017, 20:20:45
I think that the "no time in nonphysical" refers to what is observed during past life regressions: no matter from what past life you die, you pass into the same point in afterlife (your current nonphysical projection). It isn't like you spend segments of time in the afterlife interleaved with the segments you spend in physical.

Maybe it is exactly like that. I will agree that we may return to the same state of being, but not at the exact same point in time in the non-physical.

That's why some say that we live all past lives at the same time, and that our concept of linear time in physical is just our perception.

They are incorrect. If we lived ALL lives at the same time it would be impossible to learn from previous incarnations and apply them to the next. Growth requires a logical sequence of what you know now versus what you know after and that forms a basis for fundamental time in the non-physical.

Deciding what to do next when one incarnation ends counts as the interleaving of time spent in non-physical vs the next incarnation. There can still be other incarnations in progress during this period.

Some authors claim that our incarnations don't even happen in the same chronological order as they appear in physical

That is perfectly fine. Suppose one incarnates to 2050 and has a gambling problem at the future dog races. That lesson could translate into overcoming the urge to gamble in 1980 at the stock market. The key is that you can't overcome the urge to gamble in 1980 before you develop a gambling problem in 2050. That defeats the purpose of the reincarnation plan.
92  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Pulse Island! / Re: Infinite knowledge on the astral plane? on: October 04, 2017, 06:13:52
Very interesting. I'm not really looking for limitless information I'm just looking for faster way to learn what I need. I figured maybe since in the spiritual world time is basically nonexistent (from what I figure anyway). I could get to that point where I could get to use the akashic records and learn everything I want in a night.

I think it is a misnomer when people say there is no time in the astral reality. We can look back through a database of previous reality states or look forward at uncertain predictions of the future, but there is no fundamental time travel happening there. I think it is more like the hyperbolic time chamber from Dragonball. Sometimes during near death experiences time appears to slow down as we enter an altered state of consciousness. Who knows what the difference in scale is between one second in this reality and one second in those other realities. Some people say thousands of years each night, it could be millions or billions. At those scales I guess it is fair to say that time is effectively non existent since you can get most practical things done.

Suppose you could perform a dream lesson and try to learn a lot in a single night, what would the recall be like? Most of us quickly forget our dreams after waking. Actually memories of dreams return when dreaming, almost like a separate memory database. Robert Bruce in the Astral Dynamics book talks about a memory transfer that occurs during the waking process that is necessary for dream recall. It is a period of time where the information in our "astral brain" is transferred to the physical data storage of the human brain. I feel like it would take some exceptional talent to successfully recall a serious night of astral learning. I wonder if anyone has ever pulled it off.
93  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Pulse Island! / Re: Infinite knowledge on the astral plane? on: October 03, 2017, 23:43:45
What you are talking about is often referred to as the "Akashic Record". It probably doesn't contain every possible piece of information (stuff yet to be learned or discovered), but does contain all or most of the information that has been gathered in the entire cosmos thus far, which is effectively infinite from our vantage point.

The state of mind during projection can be beyond optimal performance for waking consciousness. Many famous people in history have said this was their  experience, including Mozart obtaining some of his best musical pieces and Tesla discovering many cutting edge technologies. Most revolutionaries have got information via projection at some point.

Even more regular practitioners such as Tom Campbell have used projection to solve problems in computer science, in say 10 minutes, that would go unsolved for a week in normal consciousness states. I have used the "Akashic Record" and projection mind-set to assist in solving hundreds of problems in computer science personally.

It works, but there are limitations. It isn't like the movie The Matrix where you get information downloaded into your mind in one second and come out as a black belt in Martial Arts. The problem is that telepathic knowledge transfer has a signal to noise ratio mechanic. The information is out there but you need to be able to parse it. In general we get fed small pieces in a single file sequence that build on our existing knowledge rapidly. Delivering the final answer doesn't work because you wouldn't be able to comprehend the information.

People don't often talk about this because it is difficult to do I suppose. Not many people have the level of control to enter a projection scenario and even maintain control, let alone pursue a particular learning task for a long period of time. There are also other barriers such as what will this learning experience do for your spiritual growth? Being a Matrix Mind person might cause ego problems and be blocked.

You don't actually need to fully project into a foreign 3d environment to make this work. You can just focus deeply on the task, ask the universe for the answer to the next question you are capable of understanding and see what comes, build momentum on the answers with more questions. For designing systems it can be useful to simulate them in your mind and find what works rapidly, almost like a projection rundown exercise. Tesla would spend hours doing this to advance multiple prototypes without actually building them.

94  Spiritual Evolution / Welcome to Spiritual Evolution! / Re: The ethical dilemma of eating to live on: October 03, 2017, 20:16:46
I suspect Kzaal's thoughts are typical of the majority of the population. The mentality that 'even if I stop eating meat, it won't stop the killing of animals, so I may as well continue eating it'. To me, that is a complete yellow-bellied, pathetic cop-out of an excuse.

I know you have stepped out of the thread for now, but I will reply anyway because I enjoy it. This point is an intriguing one, on one hand you vote with your wallet when it comes to the production of meat, on the other hand it does make little difference to be among the first to go against the flow. Maybe being the first to make a fraction of a difference is a necessary step in the starting the avalanche.

When it comes down to it though, the quoted phrase might be a pretty good excuse for other reasons. If any of us stop eating meat it really won't stop the killing of animals because of the costs of agriculture. What I am talking about is that you cant (I know vegans who still do though) say you are going to stop eating meat in order to save the animals and then turn around and use fossil fuel transport or genetically engineered cancer food. To be truly committed to the welfare of animals feels like an all or nothing prospect and that is why it is paralyzing for the majority of the population.

I have lived on an organic orchard and we did raise cows, chicken, ducks, turkey, geese. Those cows had good lives in my view. When I compare the impact of eating them to the impact of mass vegetable production at the farm next door I am left wondering what is really ethical?

One thing I can say is that factory farmed meat is a pretty bad deal. Free farmed meat might be more ethical than vegetable farming or other consumables/technology though.

Animals are not second-class.

And if you counter-argue that plants have feelings too, well at least let's start somewhere with animals who we can hear and see their pain/terror when they are being killed.

This is a little bit of a contradiction because if animals aren't second class then plants cant be second class either. Is it valid to say that plants and animals and humans are all on the same class but we will prioritize those beings that experience pain? That's just making non-pain experiencing beings second class. I am weary of the trap of prioritizing beings that have a similar experience to ours that we can relate to. If we could experience what it is like to be a plant we may find that their version of pain and terror is just as valid as ours.

When beings start killing each other we regard them in a hierarchy and pick which one we want to terminate. If wild animals were ravaging the eco-system to the point of collapse we would start valuing the plants more than the pain and terror of destroying the animal causing the pestilence. Some credence has to be given to what the being contributes to the system versus the harm in terminating that being.

I respect your contribution to the discussion Selski, good post imo.
95  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Back At It & Hurdles To Work Through on: October 03, 2017, 19:37:31
I'm at a loss here and don't know how to move forward.... Do I want this to much? Possibly overthinking and making it way more complicated than it needs to be?

You might want it too much. That is a barrier. The reasons you want it can also be a barrier. I feel like it is possible to brute force your way into a projection experience, by inducing sleep paralysis for instance, but it takes a very long time. Projection should be easy and quick and with the right motivation and state of mind it will be. I suspect that when our motivations pander to the ego we self-deny the experiences. Sexual fantasies or having a roller coaster ride in mind is likely to hinder, even after projecting successfully this kind of intent will limit the systems you are permitted to visit and thus limit the benefits.

What if you knew that when you projected it would not be a lucid experience, you would be at the mercy of the scenario, whatever you are given and would act from your core being? Not as exciting anymore, but honest and detached from a specific outcome.

I am going to suggest a modification to your approach that is centered around a kind of ego training. Start mentally priming the concept that you are not your body. Your natural state is one of mental experience only. If you can genuinely get more interested and comfortable being withdrawn consciousness it will be easier. You don't need to succeed in projecting to practice this, it doesn't take long sessions and can be done whenever you have some free moments. Getting grounded in the process rather than the outcome might help. Good luck.

96  Spiritual Evolution / Welcome to Spiritual Evolution! / Re: The ethical dilemma of eating to live on: September 29, 2017, 01:45:50
So in this common concept of ethics, we are trying for a system that results in the maximal well-being for the widest possible number of entities. The tricky thing, is it is still in the context of the domination and power struggle I mentioned earlier. It starts because some group feels like they know what is in the greater good. In order to realize this goal, they have to dominate reality around them in order to impose it.
Yes, this does seem true. There is a name for the break point at which a unit becomes self aware at a level that they can go from some kind of reactive and semi-autonomous mentality to actively taking up the quest and responsibility of altering their behavior. I think it was named something like the third order of consciousness.

Once you take an active step to meddle with the environment around you, you are eternally responsible for the repercussions. Taking control on some level is mandatory to make a change. I see this pattern repeating at levels beyond our reality, the existence of this system and our participation in it is a domination of higher order reality.

This is effectively what all political power is... asking for the right to the sole exercising of force over a given domain, in order to enact a given goal of their choosing, but we know that old Lord Acton dictum, that, "Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely".  There is the biological thing that happens, where the more power a person has, the less empathy their brain will produce. It is some evolutionary mechanism we have, where we only seem to value the wellbeing of others as long as we aren't winning. When we switch to winning, we switch to a strategy that maximizes our influence, and thus our number and quality of our mates, and / or the resources for our children is maximized.

If the power corrupts idea is really correct wouldn't that mean that the idea of God is absolute corruption? I suspect that the power corrupts observation may only hold true in the short term because those that become corrupt with power would tend towards self destruction. The evolutionary mechanism is a pretty amazing factoid. That strategy for survival has to have worked pretty well for us in the past but it is likely also short term. If humans continued to evolve for millions more years natural selection might create a default where we do value the wellbeing of others even when we have power, since that could be the best strategy for our current and future scenarios.

Where does that leave us? Maybe the escape route is to find a way to have positive influence without exerting power. Kind of seems conceptually impossible though, almost by definition the ability to make change, directly or indirectly, is power.
97  Spiritual Evolution / Welcome to Spiritual Evolution! / Re: The ethical dilemma of eating to live on: September 28, 2017, 06:23:34
Well for me, I have no definition for spiritual profit. I cannot even say if it is a real thing or not, since it depends on all sorts of metaphysical assumptions I don't think it is safe to assume.

True, what is really fundamental in the cosmic scale might be unknowable. I try to use a scale of extremes to imagine spiritual profit, suppose that living on earth is the game and that game supports two states: being alive, playing the game; being dead, game over. By these standards winning the game is maximizing the units and the quality of the experience of each unit. Losing the game is some unsustainable arrangement that gravitates towards all the units dying.

On the other hand, I think even a child can understand harm. They know what things are unpleasant to them, and they reason that other creatures shouldn't have those same unpleasant things visited on them. Children respect the feelings and safety of their family pets. It is self-evident to them that harm is a tangible thing.

But let's for a moment entertain the idea that spiritual profit may exist:

It really starts to lead to a dark place to me... because we start reasoning, "how much suffering is it ok to cause, if the result is positive for my growth?"

There is a sort of parasitic / vampiristic quality to that sort of reasoning to me. I am very uncomfortable with the notion that it is ok to harm others against their will if we determine it is for our own greater good.

Ethics leads lots of terrible, dark places if applied consistently actually.

Vampirism is a pretty interesting concept. How can you be uncomfortable with these ideas though? I feel like harming others for our greater good is what we do every single day, you can barely take a breath without doing it.

If you look at harm without the tradeoff of the benefits gained you are paralyzed in this reality and others. If the larger consciousness system generates a fresh unit, knowing we are likely to suffer in this reality, it is doing harm. But it does it anyway because in the long run there is a tradeoff for growth and it needs this process to live. If the answer to how much harm can we cause to grow is zero, aren't we dead in the water?
98  Spiritual Evolution / Welcome to Spiritual Evolution! / Re: The ethical dilemma of eating to live on: September 27, 2017, 21:46:52
Good replies. I like the Buddhist views on this topic. This is definitely a matter where people are acting as merchants of doubt to keep us paralyzed in confusion on what the least harm really is.

Speaking directly to Stillwater's latest reply I would make an advance on the definition of harm. I don't see killing a crab as being less harm than eating a mushroom just because the crab can feel pain. I think one has to judge harm based on the potential of the entire system to profit.

Mass agriculture is pretty destructive, as is the mass raising of livestock. When you are using agriculture to feed the livestock the problem really is compounded. In my home country of New Zealand we don't raise livestock on crops, there is still enough land left for them to eat grass luckily.

Maybe minimizing harm isn't the end of the argument though. Shouldn't it really be about maximizing spiritual profit while doing the least harm? There may be a point of inflection where one can say that it is necessary to cause a small amount of harm in order to yield a large amount of benefits for everything. Every decision is an active decision.
99  Spiritual Evolution / Welcome to Spiritual Evolution! / The ethical dilemma of eating to live on: September 26, 2017, 20:12:25
Here is a polarizing topic to enjoy. Many advocate veganism for example as a way of life for conducting minimum damage, but is it really correct or some kind of feel-good moral high ground stance? On the other side of the fence you see those that follow the hunt to eat protocol and deeply feel themselves as part of nature and respecting the animals.

I saw a documentary on Wakanui beef farmers. The farmer they focused on really professed to love his cows and in turn they seemed to live a relatively happy and stress free life.

The farmer, the cows, the land, the people that eat them all form symbiosis. Some say symbiosis is one of the highest vibration configurations for life. It makes me wonder what would happen to that land if we no longer ran cattle. It is ironic to think that veganism protects animals, but also obsoletes their purpose from a symbiosis standpoint. We wouldn't commit much land to cows just treat them like pets, so not eating cows will wipe out their population?

Tom Campbell uses the example that one cow in the wild has a better experience than one hundred cows on the farm, but is that really the case? Most animals that live in the wild suffer excruciating death at the hands of predators. We believe that pets undergo spiritual growth by the virtue of being around humans, can the same be said of free range livestock?

Then I look at a coffee plantation where the human and environmental cost of production is obscene - yet it is considered ethically vegan.

The question of how to live while doing the least harm is a really difficult problem to solve. No matter which direction you turn someone or something is getting plundered and abused on this planet...

How do you settle the ethical debate in your own minds? Keep it
100  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: Supplements for projection on: September 26, 2017, 19:53:29
There are some products on the market that have been shown to increase dream recall and focus such as AlphaBrain. I have tried it and didn't notice much of a difference but Dream Tea on the other hand was extremely palpable. It is made from Valerian herb and Mugwort. You might be able to find it at an apothecary.
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