I just updated the main post and made it a sticky!

This will give more information as a break-down to "why I can't project".

Many people think that once they are able to project, it's all smooth sailing....

I remember back in the day when I first started.. trying to reach perfection, on the fly at-will projecting... 20 some years later, still working at it... - never stops!

tvos

[For those who question "Why Can't I Project"?]

Author: David A. Warner
Copyright: 07.21.2008
www.invisiblelight.us

For those who question "Why Can't I Project"?

Pulled this from the book "InvisibleLight" that I am working on...

Chapter 6 - Trial By Error

Why I am so successful at projecting is a mystery to me while other’s work equally hard? Is it really hard to pinpoint why I’m able to project weekly, maybe it’s because of passion, devotion, hard work and organization. It’s possible that when growing up I was diagnosed with being hyper active and having a learning disability. Could it have been my interest in the rock band Kiss, or having a imaginary companion dog named “Leroy Brown”. When I was five years old attending kindergarten school my teacher Mrs. Bailey noticed unusual behavior in me which lead my parents to have tests done on me. Hyperactive with a learning disability.

I started to think about this from many discussions and radio shows I have been interviewing with lately. "Why, Can't I Project"?

There are a lot of variables to consider:

Amount of Sleep
Exercise
Tracking Statistics
Intent & Objective, Goal Setting
Passion, Patience, Perseverance
Communicating Daily
Research, Discussion, Learning
Trial by Error

You have to look at projecting as if you are training for the Olympics everyday and show up! There are no short-cuts, competition, or fast food  drive thru, or thinking that you will arrive at perfection.

I am not trying to boast, but I can pull a OBE out of the hat almost every week w/o fail. Project 5-10 times per month and have experiences thousands of OBEs. Does this make me any better than the next person “No” – just thanking God for giving me this gift and being able to share.

From 2005 - 2008, I gave my time to track statistically by creating a excel spreadsheet based on the following catagories. I wanted to complete this three year study so that I can compare the days,months,years for analasys.


Food & Sleep Statistics

Food

What I found valuable to this research is food didn't matter if I projected or not. No starbucks frapacino or heinken beer made no difference in reaching enlightment, Well, maybe.. Meats, veggies, fruit, different ethenic meals again had no effect on projecting.

Sleep

This area of tracking is vital and has proven variable to success. Each sleep cycle I would track, researching if the amount of sleep mattered in achieving successful OBE. Yes, it does and here is the breakdown based on the hours of sleep needed the day before the OBE. As you see below, between 7hrs - 8hrs of sleep was recorded showing success rate at projecting. So now, I am able to see a better picture of the hours of sleep needed personally for me in yielding the OBE.

1 hour   0
2 hours   0
3 hours   1
4 hours   6
5 hours   7
6 hours   23
7 hours   50
8 hours   65
9 hours   27
10 hours   16
11 hours   3
12 hours   2


Projection Statistics

This is definitely the gold mine of tracking for determing the best days to project and times.

In this three year study 2005 - 2008, I have projected 352 times, broken down to four categories

Three Year Stats
Misc: 32
Dream to OBE: 112
False Awakening: 68
Conscious OBE: 140

I know now that my favorite technique in projecting is Conscious OBE or (Mind Awake, Body Asleep) method. Second, is Dream to OBE (Projecting from the dream into the OBE). False awakening (most FA's are from my return back from the Conscious OBE) and the fourth is Misc Experience (attempts within the dream in projecting).

This is the ticket for developing and focusing my energy on Conscious Projecting then subscribing to other methods, practices, etc. This is not to say the other methods are wrong, everyone is right for that person to tune to and craft to success. It just so happens that I am a conscious projector and found out by error!

Now, the next breakdown is based on Day and Times of the when the OBE occurs:

Weekday Stats

Sunday   35
Monday   41
Tuesday   30
Wednesday  25
Thursday   24
Friday   42
Saturday   23

As you can see, Monday, Friday, and Sunday are my best days for projecting. Each time that I would project on a specific day, I would record that the OBE occurred. Later on, adding to that number specific to that day when the OBE occurred.


Now, the times that I project has yielded excellent results in determining when these OBEs occur.
As you can see by the times listed below that between 9:00AM - 11:59AM is my range for when
the setting is right for me to project. Since I work nights and normally don't goto bed until 2/3AM
the schedule shows 6-7hrs of sleep is needed before my OBE. If I was to work the morning shift,
the numbers would shift. The importance here that I will STRESS is the amount of sleep the
day before and leading up to the OBE. Projecting when you are going to bed for most people will
skip and go straight into rem unconscious sleep. So if you get the sleep needed, wake up a little
earlier to practice your favorite method, you will find results.


Time Stats

Time                        OBE
12:00 AM - 12:59 AM     1
1:00 AM - 1:59 AM           1
2:00 AM - 2:59 AM           7
3:00 AM - 3:59 AM           13
4:00 AM - 4:59 AM           6
5:00 AM - 5:59 AM           6
6:00 AM - 6:59 AM           11
7:00 AM - 7:59 AM           11
8:00 AM - 8:59 AM           26
9:00 AM - 9:59 AM           39
10:00 AM - 10:59 AM     40
11:00 AM - 11:59 AM     38
   
Total   199
   
Afternoon   
12:00 PM - 12:59 PM     30
1:00 PM - 1:59 PM        14
2:00 PM - 2:59 PM           5
3:00 PM - 3:59 PM           0
4:00 PM - 4:59 PM           3
5:00 PM - 5:59 PM           0
6:00 PM - 6:59 PM           0
7:00 PM - 7:59 PM           2
8:00 PM - 8:59 PM           2
9:00 PM - 9:59 PM           0
10:00 PM - 10:59 PM      0
11:00 PM - 11:59 PM      0


Validation Statistics

This part REALLY helped me out in the last three years of this research. From many discussions that I adhere to "show me, prove to me, how do you know it's real or not in your head - where is your proof"?.

From 2005 - 2008 I have conducted experiements, precognitive, coincedence, validations in the OBE. What I really enjoy about this section. Once you start having these experiences where you can match up to physical correlation there is no way to deny the legitimacy. What I can say about this firmly is "Yes, it is real and there is a wizard behind the curtain that we all call God in our native tongue's".

Not taking the time to track this data and breaking it up as validation, synchronicity, or coincidence is like throwing stones into the water, watching them sink. Or if you have a OBE which a validation occurs w/o testing or repeating, you or other people might think of it as "wishful thinking of projecting". But once you start seriously tracking, there will be no more of that wishful thinking. Can you prove this to the world? "No", but if you do the work yourself, take the time, and be fair as a reseacher/scientist and be honest with your record keeping, the only person you need to convience is "you". We all learn from experience, book reading theory is fine, but to really grab hold and understand, its living the experience vs. measuring it with closed mind.

In the three years, I have tracked 61 occurances that have validated the OBE:

Classification Type   Sub-Total
   
Validation   27
Synchronicity   15
Coincidence   19
   
Total   61


Real Life Example of Tracking

My last angelic encounter took place back in 2007 and been trying to make contact in many prior expereinces. Most of the experiences were short-lived but still I persisted at it. Just last week 07/2008 I was in a OBE where people were around me, we were out in a field by building on-looking trees surrounded by a neighborhood of houses. What caught my attention was a translucent, whispy greenish energy spanning a good 1/4mile. I looked towards the people I was with and asked "do I fly into this energy"?. 

The OBE "07-09-2008 - Jack.mp3" that was a angelic encounter was very interesting.

During the OBE, I saw a angel materialize from a green energy radating in the distance above treetops. The angel's mission was to deliever a baby to a woman who I was interacting with in this group.

When the angel was close, I decided to take flight into the air and grab hold of her asking "take me with you". The angel turned to me and said "Jack, I don't have time, I have many things to do and do not have time". The angel then shook me off her and I fell to the ground blacking out and physical conscious awakening I returned.

Days later, 07/11/2008 I was picking up my VW Beetle car from the dealer. As I was waiting for my car a salesmen passed me by with his phone sounding ringtone "Hit the Road Jack and Don't Come Back No More, No More". I instantly froze on the spot questioning "what are the odds" of this ringtone being a favorite among cell phone users and the coincendence to my experience with the angel telling me to hit the road Jack.

Now, if this experience was the first OBE / Validation I could easily dismiss this as coincendence, but in the last three years now this occurrs all the time. So now, do you see the separation of "wishful thinking" vs. tracking the coincedences that stem from the OBE!


Energy Exercise Statistics and Exercise Statistics

Honestly I have not pursued faithfully. Do I think they are important "yes", especially the exercise. Our bodies need the exercise, healthy life.  Energy work for me I am sure that it does help in the long run but I have not been avid about it then I should be.


The bottom line is trial and error, sticking with one technique for at least six months. If it does not yield results, move onto the next technique and repeat the same process. I am very lucky to find trance state (between awake/sleep) early in the game and able to tune. But remember, it has taken me years to *try* to perfect.

It doesn't matter if your novice or expert at projecting - you will have the good and bad days, just like everyone else (author, writer, musician, speaker) for pursuing OBE.

Personally for me, this was well worth the effort and energy to put together for seeing a clearer picture of how I can project and be successful at it. Now, I don't know if this will help the next person, because we are all different. If anything , I stress to track the dates,time,sleep, validations, and be consistent at it. Also, document or narrate to audio your experiences as well to review and see progress.


Good Luck and see you on the other-side!

Tvos

beyobizzle,

Don't worry about projecting.. Been at this since 1987... faithfully and able to pull the OBE out of the hat every week... still around and alive.

tvos

www.invisiblelight.us

Hi I was wondering if this was true or not. If your physical body gets touched during astral projection  you will die.

I got this information from Franz Bardon's Initiation into Hermetics.

If I could get a few verifications weather this is true or not that would be helpful thanks.

I actually studied a little of Franz back 20yrs ago, a lot of the materia was interesting, too esoteric and very complex. Had real fun dunking my head in water for "clear seeing"...

To answer your question, no you will not die if your out-of-body and the physical body is touched. I have had my wife hold me while OBE during the night, no problems. I even had my scottish terrier dog "Leroy Brown" for experimentation on the bed while video recording myself during the OBE - no problems there.

Tvos

Don,

Good Job and Thank You for keeping up posted on these courses.

Tvos

Zorgblar,

I'll make this simple and hopefully clear up any concerns about the bible, devil, and
out-of-body experiences.

First, I have been a constant weekly projector since 1987 w.o missing a beat. I have had a my good/bad OBEs, educational, spiritual, you name it.

In the twenty years plus, because of my OBEs I a hospice volunteer to the dying, foster care mentor to a teenage girl, attend church weekly (christian), never been to jail, booked for crimes, killed anyone, pay my taxes, am a IT consultant, author of a upcoming book, guest speaker on radio shows, family orientated, adopting a child from china, stopp'd drinking alcohol socially, exercise, college educated etc. Okay, I have said enough..

If the devil is in anything of this - I fail to see it. Do I have my flaws "Yes" just like everyone else, but am I doing something about it to be a better person "You Bet". I don't pretend to know it all, but experience outweigh's opinnion.

First hand experience, education, and intent is the key to better understanding Out-of-Body experiences vs. opinnions and lack of knowledge. I am not bashing your loved one's, but like yoda said "Fear, Unknown, Leads to the Dark Side". This is where experience, education and "One's Intent of Projecting" come into play that removes all of this.

I sat down and set up a discussion with my local minster and he was with me on the Out-of-Body experiences based on my "Intent" and what I have done for the community. I thought he would start throwing Holy Water on me, instead he said that it is a legitimate religious tool.

There are millions of ways to reach God and help people... OBE is just another path!

What I said is available on my web site www.invisiblelight.us

Hope this helps!

tvos

Hi David,

I watched the movie just the other day. I liked it and like you said, it pulled at the heart strings! 

Another movie you might like is "The Celestine Prophecy". A little "New Age" but it tells a story that is ageless!

John

I rented the video out, watched it and honestly was weak IMO. Maybe the book is a better read, I don't know. But something about the whole movie didn't flow. Everything happened to quickly and was forced acting.

Well, I appreciate the info. you gave me on this - It is definitely a one-time movie to watch. There were some cool stuff in it about "seeing" auras, energy etc.

Tvos

Jezsika,

It is all about trial and error of learning. It doesn't matter who you are in this world, your experiences will always range from short to long lived. Even the projectionists that have been doing it for many years have their good and bad days at projecting..

Tvos

Jub Jub,

Long time no chat eh!

I read the book up to the fifth person then switched over to the movie. I don't know if it was me, the tv but my wife and I had a difficult time hearing the dialog over the background music.

Anyways, still a great book/movie!

I will check out your recommendation! I really enjoyed James Redfield book "God, and the Evoling Universe".

Tvos

Jezsika,

I respect the beliefs of all religions, faiths, and practices which makes this a interesting topic to discuss. I do not want to dwell into "who is right or wrong", but the truth of the matter is that we live in this world that there are too many opinnions trying to say otherwise w/o first hand experience.

Think about it this way - you study a course, master it and receive an 'A' for the semester. Now, you think that your ready for the world, apply your knowledge and conquer. But when  you take the first steps, you realize the experience is totally different. This is not what the professor told me, or that example does not fit this scheme that I studied.

This applies with spirituality and out of body experiences. It does not push you away from your beliefs, deepens them but also open you up to a wider perspective of what do people really know w/o experience.

How can someone claim that out-of-body, near death experiences are the devils work, or the wrong path to travel. Point blank ask that person - Have you ever experienced the OBE thousands of times?

Don't get caught in the trap that if I follow this religion, I won't project, or spent one month on binural beats and nothing happened. There are no fast food drive thru's to projecting - it all takes serious patience, time, practice, whole hearted passion and devotion with intent! I am a christian, follow God but I have a wider understanding through experience and am so thankful!

Technique's that are out there are great ways to introduce you to these vibrations, get you to feel what it's like. But your true inner-self will find a way to project, no matter what it
takes using positive actions. There are no magic pills to projecting!

Remember, this is a lifetime commitment, not something you strap on and the way you go. You have to give everything!

You are more welcome to visit my web site - www.invisiblelight.us You might find a few
ideas to help.

Thank You,

Tvos

Lume,

You don't have to travel into the higher planes to find God, angels, devas, beings of light etc..
In matter of fact, you don't even have to project to find God. It's in front of you, behind you, inner,outer, visible/invisible, high,low, between, beyond, past, present,future and so fourth.

Think about it like this: look at the world, the sun, the moon and how exact the alignment is, perfect w/o error. We need this to survive! So did man/woman create these planets? no.

Look inside the biological, chemistry, genetics, of a human being. Could woman or man build the complex structures, components that keep us running? Sure we can reproduce, give birth - but what brought us here?

Another simple example, look at the animal species and how many different breeds there are in the world. Can man or women make these different species?

When I first started projecting it was for fun, learning, crusing around picking up astral chicks burning a lot of energy.. But during the course of my twenty years at it, eventually you dive deeper into the spiritual components, study different religions, philosphy's, beliefs. When you base *experience* of projecting first hand and see what is out there and compare it towards the worlds beliefs and experiences. There is only one conclusion - there is a wizard behind the curtain and the different tongues of the world express it as *God*.

I have been blessed and honored to witness angels in different experiences and I tell you it really sends you into complete shock, lost for words, and absolute pure love and beauty of what is possible through the OBE.

There is no fast food drivethru to projecting- you have to work at it, be open, test it, challenge it and most of educate yourself. It all takes time, practice, trial and error and there is no arrival. Many of the best known projectionists have their good days and bad at projecting. There are times I have a split second I am out, but return or a good 5-10mins.. As long you can achieve projecting, learning the trick on understanding how it feels, works, emotion involved that will be your key.

I encourage you to document statstically your success and failures in a spreadsheet for tracking. I have done this for the last three years whole heartdly and can tell you my best times at projecting, what days, how many hours of sleep, validations, etc...

You are more than welcome to visit my web site InvisibleLight at www.invisiblelight.us

Good job on the successful projection - keep up the good work!

Thank You,

Tvos

Lume,

I know the feeling because I back in the day when I first started projected for 4-5yrs straight and then hung up the OBE shoes for a long time. There was nothing left of me, I had to focus on physical, and the energy for it was not there. I still projected but at lesiure and didn't put the commitment on me like I did.

It wasnn't til 3yrs ago I found my energy again, but approached projecting into a total different light. Now, I am able to project weekly w/o fail!

You just have to find that one important thing "God" and helping people in both planes....

Tvos

Definitely...

I liked reading the book first because there was more texture to it, emphasis on events that the movie left out. Also, the movie moved quickly and it was hard to develope emotion or key points with the characters. Still, never the less they did a good job with the movie..

I read the book up until the 5th person you met then watched the movie. It was a surprize - kinda of cool...

tvos

Friends,

Just finished reading the book "Five people you meet in Heaven" and watched the movie
prior. Even though it is a fictional book, but it is a good one and pulls at the heart strings!

A deffinite gem of the ocean!

Tvos

Lume,

Honestly, never tried it - let me know if it does work. But in all honesty, everyone is different when it comes to projecting. I have done a three year study on my food in-take, I document *everyday* w/o fail what I eat, drink, consume.. So far the star bucks frapacino's yield no results when it comes to projecting..

Anyways, back in the day I tried all sorts of gimmicks and found out that it was a mental crutch. It does not matter what position you sleep, what you eat, smoke, drink - if you have the desire, passion, conviction you will project.

Tvos