Kirkland,

Good for you and keep it up!

You see this is not just for projecting, but other aspects of your life as well. I have no doubt that you will succeed in projecting. Remember patience and determination is the key with goal setting that will connect to the OBE. Just keep plugging along, documenting, journal writing, and importantly statistically writing everything down.

All the best,

Dave

Everything that you put fourth towards projecting, if it is reciting during the day, exercise, looking at your hands it all takes one shape or form in the later.

I can't tell you how many times - especially in the beginning how valuable writing on paper 200 times "I will project tonight, I will recognize that I am flying and become conscious" helped in later years. Now, I know that is extreme but I didn't take failure as an option. Now, guess what? after so many years my biggest awakenings are "becoming conscious during a dream as I flying" or entering the trance state as I fall to sleep. It all comes to full circle.

So ask yourself "Am I really ready to go the distance and do whatever it takes". As a side note, make SURE you think safety first and going about this in a healthy way.

Keep up the drive and energy... You'll get there...

Dave

Kirkland,

Carlos Castaneda discussed this in his books and was wondering did you read his material on
this technique?

Back in the day, I tried this when starting out and had a difficult time. For a good couple of months, I couldn't for the life of me perform this technique/method. Accidental, I projected from the MWBS (mind wake body sleep) state and realized their were other ways to project. Even though, I still kept up on looking at my hands during physical and reciting in dreams, eventually I was able to become lucid in the OBE. So now, I could project during trance and recognize in the dreams.

Keep practicing and it will come. But also, look into accessing the OBE during trance.

All the best,

Dave

Hi Doomkain,


Try projecting 25 years and still having that energy as when you first started.. Trust me on this one,
there are times I don't want to project and it happens. Sometimes I just don't have the energy to muster
but that desire, fire and sharing is my goal and mission to help those around me.

As lionheart posted "Ask Yourself why do you want to project"? Please write a list of pro's and con's
on a white piece of paper. See if the pro's outweigh the con's for your achievement in learning.

Take your time at this and really reflect on that question. This is just not for you, but others that are
wondering the same. If you don't have the drive or motivation, I would not try to force it or pursue til you
really ready to run that marathon. It is a lifetime of work!

There is nothing wrong to chickening out or being afraid. I still have many experiences that I abort or have a bad vibe and return. Advance or just starting out - these are real concerns. so take your time and digest what I explained. You'll not physically die from projecting.

All the best and good luck,

Dave

alexvill1994,


You need to have patience, give it time, document statistically and enjoy the process. I recently did a Astral Academy conference session and the question always arises "How long will this take?". It can be a few months, six months, year, two years. But you keep trying, being patient, keep studying, research, and statistically document. Think about it this way:

Your training for a marathon - the first day, or second month do you honestly think you'll be able to run that distance? It takes conditioning, mental and physical. Showing up everyday working out! How do I know? is because I am training for my second marathon in October and I have been able to project consistently over the 25 years active. It never stops and ever ending!

So relax, enjoy, and develop that muscle and persistence to try methods, and most importantly - document your results!
Realize there will be failed attempts, but this is through trial and error til you do get it right.

Your own the right path and before you know it, you'll experience OBE consciousness.

Dave

Todd,

I am going to jump in on this conversation about "Open Eyes" during the OBE.

I have done work with video camera's and projecting. Capturing "what goes on" during my experiences.
The majority of the times, my eye lids are closed, and there are times for  a brief flicker my eyes
open but immediately close.

Even at those times when my eyes have opened briefly, I don't remember (during the experience) my eyes
ever opening. From the physical + spiritual  body each one feeds off another so both are tied together and will trigger different responses during separation.

You are more than welcome to visit my web site and download the video content. I also highly suggest other(s) here execute the same experiments. Please note that some of the experiences that I was able to capture on
video tape took weeks, months, or almost a year to obtain. So be patient and have fun with it!

Good Luck,

DW

I would ask;

What three things are most effective at helping the APer get from a success rate of 2 projections a month to 2 projections a week?

Think of projecting like your training for a marathon. We focus on health, professional quality running shoes, training 3-4 times a week, persistence, passion, and desire along with "documenting, documenting, and more documenting!". Also, realize that to project it is never ending training and continuous.

It all takes time to build that endurance, speed, muscles to have a full out-of-body experience. In addition, don't expect it to happen by just reading a few books, joining a few boards. You have to dig deep and go after it to earn it. Expect to fail, trial through errors and seeing success too.

I have so many people ask me what does it take - I ask them these questions whole heartily and most show up for the marathon training at 25%.  

Please take the time and read my post sticky: Why can't I project?

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_out_of_body_experiences/why_cant_i_project_invisiblelight_book_reference_for_beginner_to_advance-t28923.0.html

Hope this helps and all the best...

DW

Friends,

Biblical myth or not. It does exist, the chord that is.

Some have seen the chord and some haven't. I have on occasion seen the chord and will describe it from my own experiences. Most of what I can tell you is that the higher your level of consciousness, in-tune to everything around you and able to maintain your focus in one moment for periods of time. It does show, the chord that is.

When I have tested seeing the chord, it reminded me of a metal cable steel wire as in the following
example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Steel_wire_rope.png

The texture of the metal wrapped spiny feel was extremely tight when I touched in my hands. In addition, it was vibrant and dense, almost invisible but present. I have also seen the chord when I have projected witnessing from my parents bedroom while we all were sleeping, but I out-of-body. The chord definitely came out from their back head region of the body.

As for the chord being severed - honestly, we will know when the time happens one way or another. But for those in the physical will still keep on guessing.

Either way you look at it, severed or not - does anyone want to find out anytime soon...

Good Discussion Here..

DW

this is called "interrupted sleep" technique. very widely well known and effective. it does take a little patience, persistence, but it is doable.

my suggestion is to: do this in intervals and at random times. this way it will mix up your body, mind, and spirit will come out by accident. you'll see many false awakenings and these are true projections.

enjoy and have fun with it!

DW

[Date: 7/14/2005Time: 3:45AM – 3:53AMSubject: Card Verification Experiment #1 – Conscious ProjectionAuthor: David A. Warner© Copyright 2007www.invisiblelight.us]

Rezef,

You hit it right on the head!

Accidental validations vs. forced verification's. It is nice to have a controlled validation and I have had them, but
not like the accidentals.

I would strongly suggest that you put together when you project, document the date, time, experience, and break it down to controlled, accidental, precognitive obe, etc.. This data once collected over a period of time will give you the *proof* you need. Plus, it is documented by you and be honest when you are going about this.

The very first thing you will want to do is grab the notepad, audio recorder and dictate the date,time, nature of the OBE. Once that is completed, save it, archive it for later reference if needed. You don't want to contaminate the validation with altering the experience or twisting it to validate physical to astral to match.

I give you an example:

In one OBE, it was a false awakening. My wife came into the room, looked down at me, got into bed and we held each other. Minutes later as I broke out of the false awakening, the same event occurred note for note. I didn't say anything - it all happened just as it did in the false awakening. This was just not one time, we are talking multiple times with different variations.

I immediately documented everything so later I could review this data and not edit, enhance, or add to it later.

Another example: I was in OBE, saw a playing card and returned back to the body. Immediately, documented the whole experience. A day later I was jogging, I came up to a playing card at my place of work in this neighborhood on the sidewalk face down. Of all places yah know and WHY? So take a guess what the card face up was?..  

Here is the documented OBE journal back in 2005.


Date: 7/14/2005
Time: 3:45AM – 3:53AM
Subject:  Card Verification Experiment #1 – Conscious Projection


Author:  David A. Warner
© Copyright 2007
www.invisiblelight.us


OBE Journal (Validation)

This was the first time that I had setup the experiment with the cards. My wife placed one card on the bedroom door and another card on the door that leads to the mudroom and to the outside the house. Both cards were faced down taped at the top. I figured this would be a great experiment and not to hard to miss since I would be projecting into that path.

The cards were placed on the door about 3-4 weeks ago and it took me that long to finally wield the results.

Anyways, roughly around 3:30AM 7/14/2005 I awakened into the trance state after have gone to bed about a 1/2hr prior. I did feel the vibrations and realize that I was rather in a good stance to project. As always, I just rolled out off the bed and onto the floor. I knew exactly what I wanted to accomplish and that was to view the card on the door. I floated around the bed frame and pushed my way towards the door. I was able to pull the card off the door and view the number and suit. The card that I read was the King of Diamonds. After that, I lost control and was pulled back the way I traveled around the bed-frame.

The weird thing is that when I was on the bed, my astral body was upright and my legs were on the bed. Basically, sitting upright on the bed and during that time I was spinning around in circles. I felt the physical body trying to re-align my astral inside of my physical but just couldn't. I had to actually had to lay down and focus and could feel the alignment kick in.
I kinda of wonder if this would be a good technique to prevent from coming back into the physical if you want to stay out longer?

Now, the next part is interesting because I thought I had awakened in the physical. I could see my wife Katie and she said to me "Wow, that was fast for you to verify the card". So we both went over to the door, pulled the card off and this time it was 8 of hearts.

Finally, I physically awakened and realized what had just occurred. So I grabbed my notepad, and removed the physical card off the door and went into the kitchen were there was light. I would be able to write the notes and see the actual card. To my surprise the physical card in the bedroom was 2 of hearts. Even though it wasn't the 8 at least I got the suit correct.

I decided not to remove the card on the front door leading to the mud room because I would again try to project later.


Date: 7/14/2005
Time: 10:30AM – 10:37AM
Subject:  Card Verification Experiment #2  God is the Famous One


Well, at 10:46AM I was able to project and this time no vibes were present. I did hear music from this astral projection subliminal tape I listen to physically and imagined myself rolling inside my physical like a log quickly turning.

Getting out of the body was a breeze and I moved quickly to the front door with the objective of reveling the second card. At the time, I was able to see the card and make out the number, contents BUT the problem that occurred which wasn't really a problem. I was able to stay out of body for 10-15mins exploring everything around me. I knew at the time if I was to abort the projection and come back that the experience would be cut short. So I decided to put the card in my pocket for when I would lose consciousness I could quickly look at the card upon returning and have a better memory.

Well, never a less I didn't realize this experience would be very beautiful, moving, and so inspirational that I forgot about the card details. During the experience I ran into two teenagers that I had asked if there were deceased and they both laughed at me. After that, I saw 3 black people, 2 men and 1 woman. I had asked them specifically if they were deceased and the black woman said "yes and that God is her savior and glory to be" I told her that I was sorry to hear that and agreed with her about her statement.

The other elements of the projection is that I was in a backyard which to be believed by me I was located at my mom and dads in the astral. When I was on the back deck, there were many flowers growing. Red, Pink and White in one flower petal. so I decided to pull the flower off and smell it. I could sense the texture, winkle touch and smell the scent of the flower. After that I turned to the sky and said "God, I love you and Thank You for this gift". Also, I asked help from a higher source like a angel or something from God. When I looked at the sky I could see a shimmer of a ray of light beam thru this pine tree and out from no where was this bird. The bird was a size of a watermelon, almost like a blown up puffer fish. I asked this bird at the time if you/it/he/her was my helper and it nodded back to me gracefully shaking his head up and down.

There's more to this experience and probably would take another 2-3 pages to detail, but I picked out the beautiful highlights of the experience. Imagine if I had aborted the projection upon verifying the card what I would have lost...!

When I finally returned back to my physical body, I went to the kitchen room and removed the card off of the mud room door. The physical playing card was the Jack of Diamonds.

What is truly interesting about this experiment is that the first projection and the false awakening the both times that cards matched the suit.

Astral Bedroom - card I read was King of Diamonds
Physical Front Room Door - card is Jack of Diamonds

Physical Bedroom - card was 2 of hearts
False Awaking Astral Bedroom - card I read with my wife was 8 of Hearts

What I think happened is that in the first projection and false awakening I had already read both cards. So if I was reading the card in the bedroom, I would have been actually reading it in the front room kitchen door and vice verse. I know that the card in the astral that I tried reading on the second attempt was not suit or the number on the physical cards. I am going by gut instinct and vague memory.

The odds of having the same suit in one astral projection and false awakening attempt is 416 to 1. I still have more experiments with the cards but for a first time shot - pretty dam good!!!


Date: 7/14/2005 [/b]
Later that day I was on my break jogging. I've been jogging at work for 15Min's a day for the last couple of months. Along my travels there was a playing card face down on the cement. I did not pick the card up because I wanted to finish my jog.

Date: 7/15/2005
Anyways, I came up to the card again on my daily jog this evening and still faced down.
Out of curiosity I picked the card up.. To my surprise it was the Jack of Diamonds.

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So what I am trying to say is that these experiences do offer proof. Maybe not right away in this case, but it happens. So be diligent and active in documenting.. The more data you can obtain - the picture will paint itself to knowing it is real!

All the best,

DW

I definitely have to get in on this thread here..

I am going to sum it all up with a clear concise reply.

If you are serious about proving if OBE is real or not, it is... 

So now, that I have spoken the word take it for everything I write.....  but you have to prove it to yourself first before others. You are the *one* that has to go out and get it! Not by just a few random experiences, but running the whole marathon and pursuing.

Let me tell you a real story... Five years ago, I was about 225lbs way over-weight. So I wanted to lose weight by running and diet. So if I told you five years ago, I am going to lose x amount of pounds, run half marathon, 25k, and a full marathon in one year.. You would probably laugh.. But that is what happened and within 2-3 years I achieved that goal of a full marathon. Along the way, I learned how to run, breath, desire, and reach the goal of 26.2

It is the same way with projecting and with anything you do in life if you find a *way* to make it obtainable. Even thou it took me close to 20 years to obtain proof, it all came to me without trying to prove it. Weird as it might sound, that actually happened. When I stopped focusing on being hell bent on proving the reality of OBE, failing year after year. I gave up and when I surrendered to that - then the course changed.

Proving it to someone else is futile  - if they want to the proof, let them do the work, research, and training. It is all about energy and you are #1 to prove it to yourself. Just imagine if you did prove it to someone, then you would have to prove it to the next one, so on. And even *if so* you had hard core evidence, there still would be people that would say its a trick, hoax, and the list of excuses goes on and on.

Now, I am not saying never to do validations, or targets with images, cards, other people. Go for it!!  But be careful and realize that no matter what you say, or even if you did validate your own claims. People will want the proof.... and then still say its make believe hoax.

Hope this helps

DW

Friends,

I skimmed through this topic and would like to comment on who's better, what method, this or that.

In a nutshell, both are excellent and you really can't compare apples to oranges. Each uses different techniques, flavors and teaches differently. Dig down and learn from both of them because you can use both practices to incorporate into your own methods and experiences.

Remember its not about quantity, or who is better than the other. It's about bringing together this information and sharing it so we can help others.

That is my .2 and hope this helps.

Thank You,

DW

Hi Delfi,

Trust me, you don't want to make yourself scared into having vibrations. It is scary enough the first time you have that rush of energy electrocuting you!

The best you can do is relax yourself, let go but at the same time try to remain conscious as you drift towards the physical body falling asleep. It is tricky? (Yes) but after awhile you will feel that moment of brief consciousness while the body is asleep - now that is your ticket to OBE. During that phase, you will definitely experience vibrations and more!

This is something that will change your world forever!

Good luck,

DW

thats the best way to go for results is tricking your senses and brain in random wake-ups. it's tough on the physical sleep pattern, but the beauty of making it to the astral is a gift!

DW

don't waste your time on stuff you don't doesn't work.. in other words, if your failure have been in the mind-awake body state, focus all your energy on the sucess you had with entering the OBE from the dream state.

last, I would be vigilant with documenting your results, times, dates, experiments so you can fine tune it. otherwise, you will be randomly target shooting.

DW