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1  Psychic and Paranormal / Welcome to Psychic and Paranormal! / Re: The Law of One or The Ra Material on: September 15, 2019, 05:07:13
1st – 3rd density corresponds with Focus 1 Physical Realm & Focus 2 Dream Realm [singular consciousness level; development related to physical experience; being, movement, self-awareness]
Void / 3D Blackness – door to astral planes and beyond
4th – 6th density corresponds with Focus 3 Astral Realm [collective consensus level; development related to social experience; love/understanding, light/wisdom, unity/balance]. Where we begin to merge with one another becoming social memory complexes (i.e. “angels”) and learn to “settle” into one another more and more to achieve perfect balance.
7th density corresponds with Focus 4 Divine Realm [Gateway/Our Goal]. Where social memory complexes begin to merge with The Divine.

The density in which we “live” = our Primary Focus. But we can “visit” other densities by shifting our focus. (Our primary focus remains where it is while we “live” there even while we visit other densities through shifting focus temporarily)
For example, as long as we have a physical body, our *Primary Focus* is Focus 1 which corresponds to 3rd Density. After our body dies, our *Primary Focus* transitions to Focus 3 (unless we must reincarnate into another 3rd density) which corresponds to 4th Density. Our *Primary Focus* remains in Focus 3 throughout 4th through 6th Density. After we learn all the lessons of those Densities, our *Primary Focus* transitions to Focus 4 which corresponds to 7th Density. (Perhaps this is when our astral body “dies” or is no longer needed at all.)


Very interesting, thanks for posting this. I remember the Ra material mostly from what I read about ancient Earth history and Mars because it interested me back then.

Interesting to ponder: Is the Ra material (model) the only and first one who mentions "densities" instead of planes, focus levels or dimensions or whatever or was it just adopted from earlier models/material by the Ra channellers who had to translate what they received in their mind into earthly concepts and language. So all this new age "ascencion to 5D" talk would originate from the Ra material? Just wondering.
2  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Projection Experiences! / Re: The Fate of Frank Kepple on: September 14, 2019, 23:59:52
 I can't believe this thread has kept going.  Hi Ryan!
I can't believe that CFT is back! Yipieh! Nice to read from you here on the Pulse again. Been a while. smiley
3  Psychic and Paranormal / Welcome to Psychic and Paranormal! / Re: The Law of One or The Ra Material on: September 14, 2019, 16:56:51
It's been years since I read some of it. Interesting stuff for sure.

What are your crossover areas, any examples you can give?
4  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Difference between lucid dreaming and Focus 2 projection on: September 14, 2019, 16:55:21
You mention you had an astral body in dream(state). Was that during a lucid dream? Or was that when you projected into Focus 2 without falling asleep?
Not just lucid dreams. Dreams in general.
5  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Difference between lucid dreaming and Focus 2 projection on: September 13, 2019, 16:47:29
What are the differences in sensations between lucid dreaming (which is still dreamlike and you don't "feel" your body) and astral projection into Focus 2 (dreamworld / subconscious area) where we do our lucid dreaming? I'm wondering if one "feels" their astral body in Focus 2 like one does in Focus 3. As I understand it, the astral body feels quite real in Focus 1 and Focus 3. That our astral body feels very much like our physical bodies do in our physical world now. Wondering about Focus 2, though, as it's a "dream reality" where our actual dreams (both lucid and unconscious) take place.

I'm assuming one "feels" their astral body in Focus 2, otherwise I'm not sure how one would tell the difference between lucid dreaming and projection into Focus 2. Hence s projection is by definition (for me) the projecting of your mind away from your physical F1 body out into 'mindscapes' of all different levels. (As said, it is my definition).

Hope this makes sense. Thanks for any help! smiley

I also had cases in dream(state) where I felt something physical and had an 'astral body' that reacted to it although some things might filter down to your actual physical body (in F1).

I also believe that dream(state)s take place in F2 but for me even dreams is a 'projection' - a rather unconscious one, when we talk about projections we normally mean controlled and conscious ones which I believe are possible into all focus levels (F2,F3 and F4).

Anyway, you ask good questions and it is difficult to provide a solid answer that is why I did not react at first because I (and I assume no one here) can answer it 100% satisfactorily. It is all subjective experience, too, of course.
6  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: Higher astral projection or f4 on: August 31, 2019, 18:29:10
I greatly appreciate the comments on my post and would be happy to work up a proper generic version for a sticky, but I could use some advice. After all, this is a perspective that I have evolved over fifty years and it feels like fairly common knowledge to me (but I do realize that this may be very particular to my development path). I appreciate that certain aspects may be new for some, but I would like some comments on just what parts of it are particularly interesting or what ideas might be expanded upon given a broader summary that I might explore.

Thoughts?

In a sticky usually you leave out the more 'personal' parts. For me it is not 'new' since I share a lot of this view, so of course it is easier for me and nothing to 'digest'.
Certainly a reference to Leland's writing and his linking of body <--> plane attainment/development during the personal evolutionary process would be useful taken as the common thread running through it while describing the levels/realities/planes (e.g. BST) and their particulars.

My 1.5 cents.
7  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: I want to thank those who are still here keeping the boards going on: August 30, 2019, 18:50:01
The Internet has become more of a comment platform rather than a place for sharing valuable information in a categorized and organized fashion.   I have a Facebook account but I never use it and I can't even remember the last time I've been to my page.  I tried to get into it a few times in the beginning, but I could and still just can't get into that style of writing.
So true. Exactly the same for me. I've been there and still have an account and even created a page about AP books. However, honestly I can't get anything useful or practical out of Fakebook anymore.
8  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: Higher astral projection or f4 on: August 30, 2019, 18:44:44
EV,
can you make a sticky thread with your post copied there because I concur that it is very precious info. Maybe titled something like 'progressing/evolving through the levels&bodies in NPMR' or similar? It's a great post really, thank you for that. And yes, I also love Leland's writings.
9  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Consciousness! / Re: THE GRID on: August 25, 2019, 01:30:39
It could be part of the travel system connecting realities.

I also see black and grey mostly but it all is more like a 'smoke' and constanly moving. Sometimes like a galaxy swirling.

See also the stickied Void article in this forum for more descriptions by projectors all over the place.

Once I discovered the Grid also from within a (more malleable ... haha, here we go again ...) F2-reality. I posted it in my journal back then. For convencience, here's a copy:

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10/May/2013
The Grid

There was more to this lucidventure but I cut it short. It's just to mention a known phenomenon I encountered for the first time in the astral and can put it on my list of 'haves' now.

I am in my garden and try to lift off from the ground. As many times before, 'astral gravity' holds me down and I can only fly until up to the houses' roof tops or a little higher. I then decide to fly horizontally over the city. I make it a little higher and am right under what seems to be a cloud cover.

I had the idea to test out if I can now get a little higher and indeed I make it into the clouds. Suddenly the vista changes dramatically. I see lines, pixels, some symbols all swirling around me. It does not last long, maybe about 2 seconds or so, and I dive down again into the astral realm. I did not try it a second time.

Comments / Afterthoughts

Are we all really living in The Matrix? Bodies and minds? Seems this way to me.

It was funny how it seemed like I emerged from under water for felt 2-3 seconds, saw the "real" world behind it all, and then dived down again into the simulation of my astral / lucid dreamscape. The "water" experience was pretty malleable and dream-like, that's why I assume that it was my own creational space within the astral, or a dream simulation set up for me?

In this space, there was - amongst other things - also a test where I helped a child who had a flat tyre on her bike. It was also a kind of healing situation supposedly. But due to the instability and malleability of the environment I assume it was a simulation as a training for the 'real thing'. It seems Besh and "Bibi", two of my helpers, are somehow waiting for me to become fit and help them with child retrievals.

And maybe this kind of "simulation" was not intended to be broken free from unexpectedly, even if only for a short moment. I might kind of 'tricked' the creators of this mini-matrix simulation space set up to test me. It seemed like a glitch in the matrix somehow, a crack to escape from the training space. When I dived back down (like going under water) everything was normal again, like before, which I find amazing.
10  Astral Chat / Welcome to Members Introductions! / Re: Hey Everyone! Newbie here :) on: August 25, 2019, 01:19:20
Welcome! I am also quite a fan of the name especially the 333 in it since  I came and come across it in my life more than any other 'number'. It has meaning for me.
 smiley
11  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Consciousness! / Re: FRANK KEPPLE FOCUS 2 AND 3 on: August 25, 2019, 01:13:19
Hi guys, I speak just a bit of English... I need to know, according to your knowledges, if I met my relatives or just they was a fruit of my mind. The landscape was not responsive to my thoughts....
If I'm correctly translating your replies, it seems to be not possible for me to meet my relatives, but only my creations of mind!
Why?!
Those persons were actually solid and interacted with me.
I think I was in Focus 3 and need to dissolve just a doubt about it....
Please, I need the opinion by who of you have direct experience with Focus 2 and 3 and not just a personal opinion without experience....
Thank you.
MARY from Italy
Mary, it was just a short internal discussion about Focus levels and also a misunderstanding maybe since the language terms we use to describe the nonphysical/astral might have slightly different meanings for some of us (which is fine).

It seems to me that you were in Focus 3 in a stable environment and thus it is highly likely that you met your relatives in my opinion and I assume the others will mostly agree to this.
12  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Short term lucid dream/OBE memory loss? on: August 21, 2019, 20:07:07
So the other day I "woke" up, and I did, and I knew I was in my bed, but I was very relaxed, and I started to feel like I could control vibrations that usually lead to me either phasing into an obe or a lucid dream like state, and it happened.  The wierd thing is, I kept doing this upon waking, I was able to phase or get back into a lucid nonphysical state, and it was awesome, multiple times, and I felt like I've mastered it.  Here's the thing, when I got up, I remembered nothing about this until hours after and a hard realization hit me of what I did when I was asleep.  When I got up, I literally had ZERO recollection of this until hours later when something sparked my memory, like wtf?
I remember I had this a few times when I was able to phase/project several times in succession. It is a cool feeling to be able to do this.

About the memory loss or retrieval: what sparked it? Maybe it was also a more relaxed state you were in then and the 'changed' state of consciousness more akin to the projection state (such as e.g. daydreaming) caused it?
I have a similar thing about dreams: When I lay down in bed and begin to drift away I remember snippets of the dreams I had the night before. Never told that before here but it is a very frequent thing. Sometimes it is just a second or two and then it fades again. It is as if the subconscious would like to 'resume' the dream it just left before. Stranger things.  wink
13  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: Question for the Lurkers on: August 21, 2019, 20:00:55
Hi Nameless,

English is not my primary language so excuse me for grammar faults.

I have been lurking on the forum now and then for a few years already.
This has to do with the wealth of information and references on the subject of OBE and phasing, like Frank Kepple's archive.
I got interested in OBE and phasing after a few personal experiences (especially in childhood) and reading the books of Robert Monroe.

To answer your questions:
For me it's kind of hard to talk about these subjects on a forum because:
- My experiences on OBE and phasing are too fuzzy and I doubt about the value of the experiences to share with forum members.
  I only have some 'clear' results with lucid dreaming.
- As some people here and on other boards stated, it's about personal experience and there's a risk to get certain expectations how something should be, what may hamper someone's experience.

Hope you have some information why I stay silent but are very interested on the subjects.

Kind regards,

Erik


There is actually no "should be" as you say. Our experiences are all different and each has the same value. Comparing them can be fun and sometimes even lead to insights, but your experiences are you own and no one can take them from you or re-interpret them. And fuzziness is a lot of what even experienced projectors/dreamers get, too. Sometimes (at least for me) the fun is in making sense of the fuzzy stuff (even more than about the clearer memories), such as dream symbol interpretations.
14  Astral Chat / Welcome to Members Introductions! / Re: Just wanted to say Hi. on: August 21, 2019, 19:53:15
Yeah, we also enjoy reading from you and we hope we all grow together (HARD) with you, too.  grin
15  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Consciousness! / Re: FRANK KEPPLE FOCUS 2 AND 3 on: August 21, 2019, 19:51:08
Very true, Xanth. I had thousands of experiences and I proved this to myself that it is not really true that everything is thought responsive.
Agreed. But again: Who said that?  wink
If so I'm sorry for not expressing myself correctly in an above post because this is not what I meant.

F2 dream levels are thought responsive and not to forget: The Void which is HIGHLY thought-responsive, probably (as the base of reality creation) the most thought-responsive one methinks.  cool
16  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Consciousness! / Re: FRANK KEPPLE FOCUS 2 AND 3 on: August 20, 2019, 20:11:30
This is actually a complete and utter misunderstanding of the non-physical.
Most of what you experience non-physically won't be "responsive to your thoughts".
Very few realities seem to be that malleable... and while you might be able to "modify" things from time to time, what you're changing is your subjective experience of the reality you're experiencing.

That's my two cents at least.  Smiley

This statement seems a little contradictory since you then actually state what you deny before. It's a little confusing. Please clarify, thank you.

Yes of course this very 'subjective experience' you mention is called F2 and you 'modify' or even 'create' it entirely by your beliefs or 'thoughts', mostly subconsciously if you are not lucid / in dreamstate. That is what we call F2 according to Kepple.

The question of the OP also was with regard to Kepple's descriptions of F2/dreamscapes and while he does not use the word 'thought-responsive' he at least says it is constructed by your beliefs, I think he also means mostly subconscious beliefs and creations since we are in the 'dreamworld' then.

Do you call the 'dreamworld' (F2) now not 'the non-physical' anymore? Because that is what you stated before iirc. It surprises me a little. I thought you meant the nonphysical includes thoughts and dreams (to which I would agree).

Other experiencers and authors (probably Leland and Ziewe) used the word 'thought responsive' indeed for these 'dreamy' areas, if I remember correctly. I find it quite adequate and not wrong.

Yes you are right that many or even most realities (F3) do not show this 'malleable'-trait and you cannot change anything there because the scapes and environments there are based on 'collective thought', this is true. But this was said here already and also by Kepple.

However, in some F3 areas you can create/modify individually and consciously - in some cases. Many projectors report these cases. If you create something "in the astral" (F2 or F3) or are "shapeshifting" this is also 'thought responsiveness' imv (works to some degree also in F3 areas). It does not matter if you consciously or subconsciously create because both kinds of thoughts are meant.

So in dreams (F2) you could also create subconsciously the persons, deceased or living ones. This what was this thread is about. I see 'dead' people and living ones from my current life quite often in dreams. It is also possible that you are 'visited' or have a telepathic connection and this is represented. Oftentimes deceased people appear with meaningful and even verifyable informative messages, so this would be another possibilty I would not rule out per se, although the act of self-creation for some (emotional) purpose seems more likely to me in dreams (F2).

For convenience I copy Kepple's F2 description entirely below.

http://www.astralpulse.com/frankkepple.html

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T4) In depth: Focus 2

The region of your Consciousness Continuum that I call Focus 2 is very interesting. Unlike Focus 1, 3 and 4, this area of your consciousness can only be experienced by you. It is an area of individual consensus reality that nobody else has access to apart from you.

Focus 2 of consciousness is the next area inwards, so to speak from F1. Now, anything that ever has, or ever will come about within Focus 1 originates within Focus 2 of consciousness. This is the area of a person’s imagination; it is where all ideas come about, all impressions, gut feelings, etc. Each and every manifestation that is brought into being within Focus 1 oC, absolutely all of it, every invention, every design, every piece of art of any description, etc. without exception originates within Focus 2 of consciousness.

Focus 2 oC is the place the olden day explorers termed the astral. It is perfectly possible to enter this area and engage in whatever belief construct you like in 3D. It’s the place where most of us do our dreaming. If a person develops a degree of lucidity while they are dreaming, then this is where they will have a lucid dream. If they purposely enact some kind of "projection technique" then they can often enter this region with certain expectations, which will pan out as an "astral projection" experience as opposed to a dream or lucid dream. But these actions are all essentially the same. All that changes is your level of awareness and your expectations.

The key fact about engaging with F2 is that all your belief constructs will be represented in front of you in glorious 3D! As F2 is divided into many, many areas which all hold different beliefs, thoughts, memories and experiences from your life, you can engage with these belief constructs as you wish.

There are tremendous joys to be had here. Myself, I love running through all my childhood memories, for example. Anything you ever felt, saw, experienced, etc., etc., in your life, you can “relive” again within Focus 2 and in stunning detail. Absolutely anything and everything your physical senses have ever experienced, and I mean that LITERALLY, is recorded by your senses and “stored” within Focus 2, plus all your dreams too. F2 is where you do your dreaming every night so you are actually well used to this area.

When engaging with F2 worlds, you will find that the characters there can be quite limited in their range of abilities. This is because they are constructs made by you. Dream characters are a typical example of these constructs. When you are in a dream state in F2, your awareness is usually pretty restricted anyway, usually to the scenario depicted, so you don't really notice. If you enter an F2 area while fully aware, you will soon notice something odd if you try to engage these characters in meaningful debate or try to get them to do something other than what they were doing. They come across as being a bit vague and not quite 'all there'. This is one of the BIGGEST differences between F2 and F3. Some people ask how I can tell the difference between F2 'dream' characters and real people in F3. Don't worry, You WILL be able to tell! People in F3 engage in a whole range of actions, communicate with you directly in meaningful dialogue and act in ways that you could not predict, just as they do in F1/physical. This will become obvious to you once you gain a bit of experience of F2 and F3 environments.

I should point out that although this is your own personal area and cannot be experienced directly by others, it is still possible for someone to communicate with somebody else in an F2 state (such as a dream for example - which is just F2 with restricted awareness). Someone else from outside, say F3, can try to communicate telepathically and this communication will hopefully manifest itself in the F2 experiencer's world, perhaps even as a representation of the communicator. With any luck, the communicator may even succeed in raising the F2 experiencer's awareness to an F3 state, resulting in full face to face contact. This can happen in a seamless manner and is another example of 'overlays' in action, in this case F2/F3. This is how it is possible for those who have 'passed over', to use the old terminology, to communicate via dreams with those still residing in the physical.

This is about as far as those olden-day inner explorers went. Some of them tried to venture “beyond” F2 but by and large they were captured by their superstitions when they came across the 3D Blackness or FZ area. Getting lost or getting mutilated by some monster hidden in the dark recesses of 'The Void' was a big thing in those days. The tales of which would be filed alongside all manner of other scary “facts”, such as, if a person travelled at more than 15mph their physical body would fall apart.

But these days the more forward-thinking practitioners realise this infamous Void of old is just an area of 3D Blackness situated between Focus 2 and Focus 3 of consciousness. To followers of the Monroe School, The Void is simply the 3D-Blackness at Focus 21. Simple as that. No superstitious nonsense getting in the way. Just place your Intent and away you go.

So when you “take off” into the 3D Blackness, you generally emerge within Focus 3 of consciousness, or what is becoming commonly known as the Transition Area, where you will come into contact with other people who are very real indeed, not just F2 'dream characters'. It is to F3 that we will turn our attention to next.
17  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Consciousness! / Re: FRANK KEPPLE FOCUS 2 AND 3 on: August 15, 2019, 22:28:11
Hi, Volgerle, thank you for your answer.
The place, where I met my relatives passed away, was actually solid, permanent, and wasn't responsive to my
thoughts.
MARY
Could have been the real thing then.  cool smiley
18  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Consciousness! / Re: FRANK KEPPLE FOCUS 2 AND 3 on: August 14, 2019, 21:45:46
This can be a hard one indeed.

Maybe by observing the environment you might find answers. Was the area (city, landscape) more stable and / or was it more shifting all the time and thought-responsive? The first might be an indication of a F3  'realm' and the latter more of the individual (but nonetheless REAL) F2 level.

Even at F2-level you can get 'visits' (such as in dreams) from deceased relatives and friends, so no one but you can finally decide if the person/soul was 'real' or just a thought form of yourself. But even then there might be a kind of 'message' from your Higher Self or even the person involved. In the end we never know 100% anyway. Just my two cents.
19  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: I want to thank those who are still here keeping the boards going on: August 13, 2019, 19:08:25
We had this discussion here a while ago and as far as I remember one valid argument is also that Social Media such as Facebook and also Reddit-Groups or similar did replace the 'old fashioned' forum/message-board like this one.

It is a younger generation thing so mostly the younger ones look there first. Facebook is pretty active with some AP groups.

I think this is sad and a bad development because real discussions don't take place there. It is more like a blog comment system and more of a short-attention span thing. Sign of the times maybe.  undecided

20  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: Whaley Bridge needs our thoughts and well wishes on: August 04, 2019, 18:02:11
Send some good wishes to the workers and engineers working on the dam to succeed.
21  Astral Chat / Welcome to News and Media! / Re: Would you make contact on: August 04, 2019, 18:00:01
Intriguing stuff with all of your vanishing posts.

Just out of interest: Do you suspect them to be the good guys (ET/human) doing it for protection or delay disclosure for some 'reason' or to be some bad guys (ET/human) to prevent disclosure or just to 'annoy' and disinform? Just curious what you think.
22  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Projection Experiences! / Re: Still Learning on: July 30, 2019, 22:41:58
Years ago, I had a kind of kundalini energy going up from the anus or the perineum region (where the base chakra is) during a dream (which was NOT sexual in kind but rather loosely related to healing ... interesting). It was very strong. VERY. Like s.o. put a pole or 'whatever' long thing in it. As said, it was not necessarily the anus itself but the region. I was happy to stop it by waking up though because I did NOT want this to go on (literally, haha).

The other energetic one was the whole chakra inner torso movement during my first wilful OBE induction, but I already wrote about this here. It did more involve the torso than the lower regions though, but it was as heavy and violent.

 evil
23  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Projection Experiences! / Re: Souly for Retrievals! on: July 21, 2019, 16:59:29
Interesting find. There is also a book as I found out by (very) quick search.
"Afterlife, Interrupted: Helping Stuck Souls Cross Over—A Catholic Priest Explores the Interrupted Death Experience"

You can read his forword in the preview. Good that he says he does not want to teach catholic doctrines or convert anyone. Interesting man indeed. He does not seem to use AP though in a traditional way, does he? He says they seek him out in dreams but then he also seems to converse with them clairvoyant/audiently in waking state, as far as I see it from the first chapter. Here it is:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/0692187537/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1539311567&sr=1-1#reader_0692187537
24  Astral Chat / Welcome to News and Media! / Re: Recent Disclosure??? on: July 09, 2019, 19:39:54
The global society is already in the midst of an ongoing "collapse".
They are apparently expected by many people.  It's clear that the majority of society is dissatisfied with the conditions of this world and most would love for anything to come and save us from the perceived plights in this world.  The Christians continue waiting for the Rapture.  UFO enthusiasts hope and wait for an alien rescue or even an alien invasion.  Conspiracy theorists are always waiting for this dystopian New World Order to rule the world.  New Agers keep waiting for the Earth to ascend to this 5th dimension.  Economists keep predicting a global economic collapse that the impoverished hopes will level the playing field and eliminate the growing economic disparity between the social classes.  People waiting for the next president to change the world for the better.  People waiting for the end of the world.  And I could go on and on.  As long as society continues waiting on some event to save or destroy them, as the case may be, from something then they will never stop waiting because they fail to take responsibility for themselves.
Really like what you write here. Can agree to all of it. Especially the similarity between christian and new ager's beliefs of doomsday/rapture and ascension/shift-to-5-D for the 'chosen' or 'ready' ones. It's hilarious. Practically the same thing.

And yes, people are too much waiting for an OUTSIDE saviour instead of focussing on their inner strengths. It is up to us to save the world - if we can at all and it is not too late. But society still seems to inert to move into the right direction despite the impending (or necessary?) collapse. I am not too optimistic but am open to be proven wrong about it, and maybe hope it a little.

Again, people are so incredibly caught up in their own self-serving affairs that an alien full disclosure would have little to no effect.
That would again be 'chop wood carry water before and after' in a more negative (unenlightened) sense.  wink
25  Astral Chat / Welcome to News and Media! / Re: Recent Disclosure??? on: July 07, 2019, 18:56:20
I don't see much in my life changing that much. I'll still have to pay my mortgage and fight over who cuts the grass.
Reminds me of that famous Enlightenment quote.  wink

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