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51  Astral Chat / Welcome to News and Media! / Re: Extraterrestrials on: May 20, 2013, 03:18:13

I'm just here for the ride.  grin

Interesting expression.  While we all are, our 'rides' can be whatever meaningful thing we choose, or have no meaning at all.  I want my particular 'ride' to find data of experience which might assist the 'spirit' of our species - for example, if I were addicted to porn, heavey drugs and violence as my preferred 'ride' the data of experience might be of minimal use - again - if I am ticking along in a worker role raising a family, paying a mortgage, that particular data may be as useful as the first example.

Again, if I use an ability to traverse the integrate realities (AP) and fight dragons or play war-games, or hang out in malls or have sex etc...the data of experience may still be of little to no value.

Therefore a particular type of data is of value - one which allows us as individuals to explore the 'deeper meaning stuff' associated with their ride, in relationship to the collective 'ride'.

Smiley

This attitude derives from ego-personalities understanding the importance of 'who they are' in relation to their shared reality with others in whatever existence of experience they are involved, rather than focus on the importance of their solitary life or the particular group (family, friends, like-minded etc) to which their 'ride' consists of.

One thing for sure, one can't easily get to the realization that ego-personality is not the center of the universe of its experience (ride) without going through that phase...riding through it joyously rather than getting stuck in the role of...  wink
52  Metaphysics / Welcome to Metaphysics! / Re: A disconnection in our understanding of all reality on: May 20, 2013, 01:43:31
Theres all kinds of different dimensions and shapes and flowing patterns out there. It can of course look different to different observers. We know that from relativity in spacetime and similar things when observing the quantum. But just because it appears different to some than others does not mean there is no shared reality to it. Astral Pulse Island, for example, has many branches that network into and out of eachother, variations of it that grew as people visited and added onto it. But still some of us met there and described our shared experiences to eachother after we got back so we knew it was real.

There must be some continuous path between "physical" reality and astral. There may be different equations of physics that change gradually between them, but there has to be some way it all works.

We should be trying to understand the continuous paths between all parts of reality.

Dualism is the theory that there are 2 different kinds of reality that can not be converted to eachother. Its like the old idea that mass and energy are different kinds of things, but they are converted by the lorentz factor as a ratio based on speed. Similarly, we should be looking for the ways these observed different kinds of things dualism is about can be continuously travelled between them.

Universe means "Everything that exists." The physical exists. The astral exists. Both are part of the universe. How could there be any 2 parts of the universe which can't be travelled continuously between? Together it should all sum to zero and be balanced from all angles.

I do not want to have to choose between the worlds. I like astral and the other forms of reality out there more than the physical, but I see others around here stuck by the gravity of these forms and they don't even know other things exist so I build tools to try to network minds together (research in progress), and I think theres alot of potential in this world once we learn to merge space, time, and metaphysics using both machines and our metaphysical skills. But I don't know if they are ready to reduce the gravity of these forms and allow things to spread out in more directions like they do in astral. As a telekinetic at rare times, who used to be more skilled at it, I've seen the worlds merge a little. I know its there somewhere. I don't know if we can be compatible between these worlds, you might call them worlds, but a start is to at least agree there is some continuous path between the worlds that forms from either side can move to the other. I'm here at least for now to finish what I started in the bizarre research, but if it comes down to it and I can only exist primarily in one, I think I'd choose the astral.

Your concerns expressed here are a natural extension of the underlying 'knowing' of being part of a collective 'thing' which is absent of the practice of duality.  Duality is experienced through individual experience which trensfers itself on the rest of the universe as part of that experience.

In this day and age, we as individuals are more aware of that sense of oneness due to the evidence of our actual physical situation we are altogether one species sharing a finite reality = specifically on a planet...and this understanding births the concept of oneness and its accompanying realizations.

In relation to the differing 'kinds' of reality which duality maintains cannot be 'converted' to each other, it is the nature of individualism which has 'seen' this to be so, but it is not in actual fact, that way at all.  Yes, individuals have experienced the other reality and have not found evidence that it is objectively One Thing - although others have found it to be so but not altogether...a PART of it is, but other parts are not.

This leads to the hypothesis that 'the other reality' is a creation of human imagination (but real because of the nature/properties of 'the other' and is the way it is because human imagination is built upon the actual physical experiences of individual beings who have been largely unaware of any non-physical connection they have with each other.  Unicorns are horses with horns on them - Pegasus = horse with wings...(etc) all derive from real physical experience...

It terms of making an Island real and developing that Island and reporting together - it is a good scientific approach but of what value is it as a learning tool and how well can it help make those connections to both realities open?

In every sense, all things are real - in relation to the island, the reality is shared which proves to those involved with the experiment that they are indeed dealing with a real thing and a thing which has been created by a group effort.

The Island creation itself has little to offer the physical reality here on this planet, other than as a model metaphor for the Earth, and there does not seem to be any great emphasis attached to being able to experience this alternate reality and how these experiences could be compiled to present any particular picture which might help us here in the physical.

There is little point for now in hoping that mainstream science will somehow make any concerted effort to uncover and study the other reality = it is focused on what it can achieve here in regards to uncovering and studying, and for the time being those who do participate in the alternate reality are quite hesitant to share their knowledge and correlate the data scientifically in an effort to uncover and understand.

Again, this is due mainly to the nature of individualism.

If we had evolved as individuals who were connected and where 'secrets' were impossible to keep from one another, and supposing that every physical specie (ET) has its own alternate reality, if any of those species where more...I hesitate to use the term -  'hive-minded'  - because of the negative implications our specie places upon such a concept...I also understand why this concept appears to be an unpleasant one to contemplate - but when minds are connected, consciousness is collective...


...it is very likely that a specie which can think together will have those connections to their alternate reality open and active and the access between the two 'worlds' would not be restricted - both 'worlds' would naturally appear to be One Thing...different aspects of the same.

Consciousness would flow freely...

Such a species would have a tremendous advantage in relation to any specie which is cut off from the knowledge of their 'other' reality and have to work at making those connections open and fully accessible.

The question remains and is also integrated with another thread in this forum:

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_news_and_media/extraterrestrials-t42285.0.html;msg333176#new

...the question being, 'of what use is the alternate reality with our own'?  If it were able to make itself known (full disclosure) to individuals, it is related to the ET question 'why are they not disclosing themselves to our species?'  Are they prevented from doing so - and if so, what is doing the preventing and why?

Individuals of course can argue that THEY are not being prevented from experiencing and exploring the alternate reality, and this would be true, although by all accounts, some things are off-limits - but I think the same principle applies...if ETs exist and can be communicated with through individual experience, then - with a bit of effort and a specific intent, it can be done.

Is the information of experience of any value to the collective?  

It appears (for now) not to be, because 'the collective' are not really 'collective' or behaving in a way that significantly shows they know of and appreciate the value of the connection they all have, but dont, wont, or for some reason, cannot share.

Mainstream science may be focused upon the physical, but I think it safe to assume that IF ETs are working with aspects of our species, there will be a lot more science going into uncovering the nature of and exploring the structure of the alternate reality in find out exactly what it is and how it can assist...for now at least kept secret from those who are indifferent, focused on less mind boggling - more mundane things and happy to have such 'secrets' remain secret.





53  Astral Chat / Welcome to News and Media! / Re: Extraterrestrials on: May 19, 2013, 21:43:09
Well, I feel that all things occur exactly as they are intended, and that there are reasons for all that happens, so whether there is a massive global visitation or full disclosure or not would of course be for some purpose, be it a learning opportunity or whatever.

However, I personally feel that any mass visitation on a global scale in our current state would be highly inappropriate at this time.  The entire global society is currently going through a massive transitional phase, both on a personal level as well as collectively, and is a transition that we must work through completely on our own.  This is a period in human history that should not nor must not be interfered with by any perceived outside influences.  I strongly feel that the next few decades, and maybe even the next 100 years will be a very defining moment in our history.  How we make it through this transition will be and must be completely determined by the collective consciousess of Earth's global population, whether we "succeed" or "fail".  But in all actuality there is no success or failure, there is only experience.

If we not only survive but successfully thrive at the completion of this transitional period, we could potentially have a new global society never before experienced in Earth's history, and it could be us visiting them instead of the other way around.

However, if we fail miserably to the point of near extinction, if not total extinction, then I guess whatever aliens that may or may not be observing us can just move on with nothing else to witness here, and we humans who had our chance on this planet can just continue experiencing life elsewhere.

It just depends on what we choose to experience.

Again, if there was a massive visitation, or even an invasion, this could majorly disrupt our path to enlightenment, and distract us from our Self.  Even if it resulted in transforming society into a more positive one, we would have learned little, if anything at all, because the learning opportunities that we have created for ourself would have been taken away in the process.  An event like this would deny us the choices we should have made on our own.  If we don't learn from those opportunities then we could very likely make the same mistakes down the road, and this perceived alien rescue would have been for nothing.

As it is today, the majority of society continues to look outside of themselves for a savior.  Due in no small part to many of the religions and other belief systems, we continually look for some thing or event to rescue us from our perceived problems instead of looking within ourself for the solutions.  A perceived rescue from a massive alien visitation would turn our attention onto them and away from ourself and only reinforce our belief that we can only be saved from someone other than ourself.

Failure or success in terms of survival or extinction on a mass scale is not the most likely criteria.  If we are talking in terms of 'spirit in a material world' then data of experience amounts to spirit utilizing the material universe in various forms, some of which are more apt - the human form seems able enough to be useful for gathering the data but not so apt at feeding back the data but it is likely not the form so much as distortion of data - for example, an individual who has experience to which he or she is unable to understand and they share the information with someone who they believe is more able to decipher that data and produce an understandable answer as to "why" - a role which tribal seers  took on and cultures and religions evolved from.  It is easy enough to see how this happens and for the more physical side of everyday life on earth it is education, science, finance and politics which have evolved to become that which will 'save'.

In terms of 'only the physical' mass extinction might well be an answer to a problem perceived, even as 'spirit' finds that data of experience being gathered is of no particular value to its own evolution - I use the word 'spirit' but am suggesting rather 'collective consciousness of our species' and that extinction might well play a very important role - it has already been experienced at least once and other types of form to experience through developed as the dust settled.

It is interesting to consider options - do we stand and watch as less fortunate countries suffer under harsh political laws and terrifying constraints or do we interfere?  The decisions made are always political/business motivated and cost of interference must be weighed alongside possible return of investment and if there are to be no likely profits which offset the investment, then there will be no interference.

We cannot easily know what motivates ET to become involved or remain at arms length or what opportunities it affords their own 'species spirit' to learn by observing any others or indeed to what extent these species-spirits are entwined - what the relationship is at those levels of collective consciousness...how intimate they might be...for mostly, whether we are focused upon only the physical or consider also the 'spiritual' most of us as individual do not pay particular mind to such, content to play in our own subjective fields of experience and indifferent or simply unaware of the 'bigger' things occurring, and how those things might be viewing the reality unfolding and interpreting that unfolding in a co-creative mutually agreeable way - for reasons beyond the perceptions of individual human wants, desires, etc...
54  Astral Chat / Welcome to News and Media! / Re: Extraterrestrials on: May 19, 2013, 03:10:26
[1:] The expression 'zoological and veterinarian' implies that we regard us and consider us to be regarded by the ETs (greys and/or others) as sth inferior, even animal. However, this is open to debate, many channelled messages and information retrieved under hypnotic regression bears other messages from ETs, they talk about admiration and appreciation, since they see the soul essence in us which is not different from them. But of course this might be misinformation again ... who knows, and maybe there are different fractions and parties of ETs with different agendas and views of humans indeed ...

[2:] I'm asking myself, however, if there are so many species out there, they must still somehow coordinate and work together or at least do some counselling amongst each other. E.g. who prevents any of the races to go it alone and make "official" contact by mass landing. It did and does not happen. So who or what (authority?) would be keeping them from it? I think this is a good argument to suppose a kind of policy (or 'prime directive').


On point 1 - there is enough info re Zeta Reticuli to know that they are scientists and experiment, recreate, develop and explore pushing the limits of knowledge. Also from data recalled by those who have had the experience of being 'abducted' there is a lot of feedback on being examined and tested physically.
In watching human zoological and veterinarian at work I don;t get the impression that they think of animals as inferior although in general it seems that human beings do think of animals as being inferior, soulless, but from my own communications as well as other sources we are not considered anything less than they (the greys) but more 'of them' because of the thread of life recognized as consciousness through which we are all connected - the forms we are in may be superior to other earthly creatures because we can do so much more with what we have and we can use our bodies to operate on critters and help them to get well.  In that sense, our bodies being 'superior' ET forms might be superior from our own forms.

We can admire any critter for their particular talent - something we greatly appreciate or can't do ourselves (like swim like a dolphin, or run like a cat etc...) 

On point 2 - there are great distances involved in travelling the galaxy and one of the disadvantages for biological lifeforms is that space travel is murder on the body.
Arguments that ET can get around this problem by jumping through dimensions might be relevant but we don't know if this is real or fictional since our own science is so limited in this area.
If there is a galactic federation this implies that they communicate somehow over great distance or that they are all in one place or that they convene in some other dimension and discuss, argue, agree etc but even if 99% of the different species for example all agreed that Humans should be left alone to develop naturally, any species which is able to ignore any agreement can do so and may not even be able to be prevented from doing so.   

Anyway there is a lot of data to show that ET has indeed had a lot to do with our development.



55  Astral Chat / Welcome to News and Media! / Re: Extraterrestrials on: May 18, 2013, 23:09:32
Who exactly isn't ready to know? Is it mankind in general, organized religions and their followers, the boy scouts.


It depends upon exactly what there is to full disclosure.

What questions would arise in regard to what is revealed?

How will that affect the desired outcome?

What would be the desired outcome?

Will the ETs involved support full disclosure and are they even united?  For example, I have read channeled info that says the Zeta are not part of the Galactic Federation, because they are non supportive of major directives which others have agreed to.

Will full disclosure reveal that a lot of channeled information is human fabrication?

According to Jewish tradition, ETs are featured in their holy book as 'the gods' and thus so too is this a recognizable feature in Christian doctrine - even in Revelations there is reference to Jesus returning with a host of heavenly angels to land on the Planet and take control of the situation - that would be a mighty big disclosure but not necessarily full disclosure.

How would it be if an ET species would land on the planet and play the role of God over human beings and how much of this information has been distorted to suit human agenda?  How do we know that in ancient day the gods disclosed their intentions to the tribal leadership only to have that information twisted to effectively make those intentions next to impossible to carry out?

How would people react to being informed about the interactions of the past and the cover-ups and lies and distortions?

Would our specie be mature enough to accept the mistakes of the past for the sake of the future?

There is a certain role that an aspect of Zeta Reticuli species have had in relation to human beings, which is zoological and veterinarian, as well as other scientific roles, and also 'God'...how would such information be reconciled?







56  Astral Chat / Welcome to News and Media! / Re: Extraterrestrials on: May 18, 2013, 18:15:21
Yes and no. If they have a prime directive like in Star Trek it would be more about the "ban" on contacting the collective (mankind) officially, e.g. the sterotypical scenario of a landing on the White House lawn and saying hello to the President.

Of course the prohibition does not involve personal contacts (or groups who are open enough) also to start a slow process to help evolve the species (up to now done for millenia already I suppose) or help establish contact gradually in order to prevent a shock caused by the societal paradigm shift in case they did the 'mass contact / landing' thing.

Yes - essentially that was what I was aiming at in regard to why ET remains undisclosed in the manner that many would like them to be - the subject of 'prime directive' was offered as a possible reason why.

In general it could be argued that we as a species are ready for 'landings and mass contact' due to our far better understanding of science and the universe.

Perhaps too there would be resentment if such a thing was done without any invitation?

Anyway, it appears there are more reasons why ET should remain hidden, than for them to be revealed.  Perhaps it is 'the mark of a species' if it actually gets its act together with minimal outside interference...or maybe the focus is on the individual to make the connections.
57  Astral Chat / Welcome to News and Media! / Re: The darkness on the edge of town on: May 18, 2013, 05:30:13





One last interesting thing about the afterlife. This explained to me why atheists who have had NDE's come back devout Christians (these types made some of the strongest testaments that kept me Christian for so long). Jarrod says that when someone dies and they had no belief in an afterlife, they are the most shocked to see what they know is their dead body yet they are more aware than ever that they still exist in some form. They will instantly think that since they still exist, that the Christians were right all along, and they then create some of the worse hells imaginable, which is what they would expect was a worthy punishment for a vocal nonbeliever such as they were.



Due to the capacity to induce ones own reality instantly, this seems to be what most likely occurs - not realizing that one creates their own 'reality' (due to the particular properties of this state of being) it would be natural for some hard-line skeptics to assume the worst when their bodies die and yet they find themselves to still exist, to think the worst, especially if they have dedicated a portion of their lives in berating religion and god-concepts whilst firmly believing that death is the only logical end...death of their consciousness and sense of self.

This also explains the stories about soul retrievers who go to these hellish places to try and convince those suffering there that they can move on to better situations.

58  Astral Chat / Welcome to News and Media! / Re: Extraterrestrials on: May 18, 2013, 05:04:38
We could only be second guessing their agenda if they had for instance told it to us themselves...


If I am told anything about someone BY that someone I would take them at their word until such a time as it became necessary not to. 

I have communed with individuals through Ouija who said they are ET and even identified which particular specie they were (Zeta Reticuli).  What information I got from this type of communication was revealing, helpful and worth the effort.

From the information communicated, they are and have been involved quite intimately with us as a specie for a long time on both the collective consciousness level and at individual level and that while they are extremely more advanced they are still themselves learning and this is part of the reason why they persist.

They also have a sense of humor. 

I have only seen one type of Zeta Reticuli and that was a good 25 or so years ago.  It is my assumption that this being was Zeta due to its large dark eyes and grey hued skin, but it definitely was not the popular stereotype which media often portrays... you know, this one...



Due to this encounter (which happened while in hypnagogic state) when developing the communication techniques of Ouija many years later I eventually asked about the experience I had had, and also if it were possible to commune with the Zeta over the Ouija - and the affirmation was that I certainly could, so I did.

I have never seen a flying craft of unknown origin, but have seen unexplainable lights in the sky at night - I cannot immediately assume that these lights are from flying craft of any sort although the circumstances surrounding this particular event allow me to see something of a message being communicated, and a kind of shared humor.





59  Astral Chat / Welcome to News and Media! / Re: Extraterrestrials on: May 18, 2013, 00:06:29
We could only be second guessing their agenda if they had for instance told it to us themselves... at best be are making a long series of first guesses, lol.

I think to assume governments are in on this is only natural, because it is the only narritive that has been given to us that includes extraterrestrials. I mean yes you also have the touchy-feely channeled stuff, but with that stuff you need to take it on faith that you are being dictated to by aliens. The direct testimony of people who claim to have had experiences with them on earth are the only ones subject to possible future corroberation in the short term.

Now either we have visitors coming, or we don't. If we don't, everyone who has spoken up is a liar (which may be true, but makes alot of liars); if we do have visitors, then everything we have heard about them comes from witnesses such as discussed in this thread, and literally every one of them bar a small few mentions governments in connection to them, so it is sort of a starting point; if you believe any of the witnesses may not be liars, then governments are almost without fail involved somewhere.

To me paranoia would be taking neutral information and extracting a negative or dangerous connotation to it; but in the case of these testimonies, it isn't the viewer that is suggesting the government is hiding something, they are being told that by every speaker, so the information is not neutral to start with on that issue. So that must mean the whole disclosure and testimony movement itself is a movement of paranoia if anything about it is. But then if every source is discredited as a paranoid one, then how does a person figure out what is going on at all? If you want any data to evaluate at all, it is really your only option.

You are correct I agree.

Where did the thought about ETs originate?  Where did the imagery come from which give us examples which distinguish the three main ET types which Paul Hellyer speaks about in the video posted at the start this topic?

We cannot automatically assume that the secretive nature of Governments are the result of sinister agenda. 
We cannot seriously take any-ones testimony (including channeling) to be representative of truthfulness and as such ETs are more in the realm of the fringe subjects, such as AP, Occult, Religion, Spirituality, Alternate universe etc... science fiction.

They are not speaking for themselves and even governments are not speaking for them.  There is also the aspect of being motivated to believe based on assumption that a higher advanced space faring civilization would be in a position to 'save us from ourselves', or from our governing oppressors.

Even taking what information is available, the picture seems to be that the differing types of ET are not all working together and follow their own cosmological philosophies which clash with the others, and it is possible that information on one type is misinformation from another type.

There is some evidence that the Zeta Reticuli (greys) have had interaction with some cultures - I am thinking specifically the Maoris  - and such interaction can be seen in the stories and artwork of many cultures but ... I am reminded of Whitley Strieber...what might appear to the one experiencing 'abduction' is reminiscent of AP stories and is the most likely source where the concept of ET originates.









60  Astral Chat / Welcome to News and Media! / Re: Extraterrestrials on: May 17, 2013, 21:59:45
It would be so much easier to speak to you William through your Ouija board communication device.  wink

I find it amusing that we anthropomorphise aliens... trying to second guess their agenda based upon our own paranoia... assuming that the government are privy to their knowledge etc.

It would be interesting if you could elaborate on your anthropomorphic comment and why this amuses you Ben.
61  Astral Chat / Welcome to News and Media! / Re: Extraterrestrials on: May 17, 2013, 21:47:32
Simon

There was reference was in that post which you refer to but the post has been modified and the reference is no longer there.  My bad since I should have quoted.

It is far better to speak for yourself than for each other.

I will re-post what I said which is pertinent to communication - on topic and applicable to all of us.



We can as we choose hide behind personas and sound off spiritually (for example) but any hidden content of any communication can still be uncovered logically and rationally and it is easy enough to 'get to the bottom of things' if one is persistent and has the opportunity to do so, and pursues honest and open communication as the preferred (and hopefully mutual) expression.

Often when people complain in the way you have done here, it is because they think they are being exposed rather than that their message is found to have gaping holes in it which need to be honestly questioned and it is this honest questioning that is distasteful to their senses.  This is because they believe in what they are expressing so that the message IS them, which it is not really, not in reality - but because of this perception and misconception they think they are being questioned when it is the message which is being questioned, because they cannot separate themselves from the message and so respond by ignoring the message which exposes the holes in their own message and making personal comments about the messenger, which either shuts the messenger up or, in my case, gives me an opportunity to clarify - I am not against YOU (or the 'we' you allude to be representing - btw if any of these 'we' are reading this, please step forward and speak for your selves) I am FOR honesty, sincerity, truthfulness and pulling aside the veils of mystical subjectivity for the sake of the collective objectivity.

[note:  Personal comments such as referring to the nature of someones state of mental health, and alluding to possible reasons for their perceived mannerism which ignores what they are clearly saying in preference to some made up theory which suits the agenda of the 'court jury' - not honest, sincere, truthful or particularly useful other than to steer the focus of the thread away from having to adress the hard questions.]

In my communications with ET, this was one of the fundamental things they worked with me on - pulling away my own belief systems by questioning them through showing me the holes/inconsistencies in them.  I know it is hard at first but it is well worth it.  Many times in the early days I got snotty with them, much as you are doing with me.  I even pronounced them 'bad' and refused at times to speak with them, but they knew me well enough that I would come around as I just needed the time to absorb the data and was just reacting knee jerk and immaturely but in my heart I wanted to be truthful to myself and those whose paths cross with mine, and once I fully accepted the truth of their observations and realized the uncomfortable feelings being brought to the surface had to do with my own belief systems being shown to be faulty and that those feelings belonged to me and could be sourced within my own psyche - buttons being pushed meant that I had things to deal with and those helping to show me this were not my enemy - they were just not interested in molly coddling me or reinforcing said beliefs by playing along with them - of necessity they tolerated these beliefs through understanding, but they are not interested in pursuing communication forever on those terms because it is of no value in the long term to anyone.

You see - there is no 'Prime Directive' which prevents ET from communicating with anyone as if to do so is to interfere with the individual creating some unperceived and irrevocable damage.  All that is required is an honest and humble intent and an openness to learn and willingness to discard belief systems which do not promote unification and truthful communication.  It is really that simple.

All I ask is that in your time of 'muteness' where I am concerned you consider my words here and keep an open mind and see that I am not an enemy....but rather a potential friend.  

Thank You!

[and you and you...] Smiley

In regard to 'new information' that General Eisenhower threatened to invade area 51 - while it might be a first, it is not world shaking and does not really address or add to the topic of why ET chooses/or is forced to remain undisclosed, apart from adding weight to the argument that human beings are not communicating and thus working together effectively and honestly and this is possibly a major contributing factor to why ET remains undisclosed.

Who was it that posted in this thread 'WE ARE NOT READY'?

 wink
62  Astral Chat / Welcome to News and Media! / Re: Extraterrestrials on: May 16, 2013, 22:40:32
For some reason, I can't watch anything from that website. Can you give me a rundown of what he says?

I'd appreciate it. Thanks.

Off the top of my head:

He says he was a simple farmer who enlisted and was eventually recruited by CIA, was privy to the blue book project, that it was all way over his head but he was encouraged to persist.

At one point he and his superior visited the President (General Eisenhower) who wanted to know what was going on in area 51 and was told that it was none of his business so the President gave them a message for those controlling area 51 that they had better deliver the goods or he would order an armed invasion of the area 51 and sent them on their way.

He then maintains that when they went to deliver the message to their superiors that he was given access to sighting actual living ETs of the 'Greys' variety and to alien space craft - both wreaked and in good order - as well as secret aircraft being created by American interests for spying.

They returned to see the President (not this time at the White House) and that Hoover and Nixon were both present at that meeting and he and his superior gave them the information he had been allowed to see.

That is off the top of my head - might have some of the details wrong (or not) but dont really want to view the vid again.  Hope it helps.
63  Astral Chat / Welcome to News and Media! / Re: Extraterrestrials on: May 16, 2013, 22:26:59
Before he agreed to do this video, his information in his own words was NEVER released in the Public Domain.

 Oh my, are you comparing the internet to a Ouija Board? You know who is at the other end of the internet. Usually that is!  smiley

 There's no need to comment on my post, I can see I will never really get through to you.

 For now on I shall stay "mute" where you are concerned.

 Thank You!  smiley

He has personally never released his information to the public domain.  There is nothing in what he spoke of that I have not heard before in the public domain over the years - there is no new information and the usual lack of evidence to support the information is conspicuous in its absence.  As was remarked, could be true, could be not. 

The internet is comparable to my own use of Ouija on many levels - very obviously so.  I think you intuit this on a deeper level but cannot bring yourself to comprehend that significance.  One of the most obvious comparisons has to do with relative anonymity - we can as we choose hide behind personas and sound off spiritually (for example) but any hidden content of any communication can still be uncovered logically and rationally and it is easy enough to 'get to the bottom of things' if one is persistent and has the opportunity to do so, and pursues honest and open communication as the preferred (and hopefully mutual) expression.

Often when people complain in the way you have done here, it is because they think they are being exposed rather than that their message is found to have gaping holes in it which need to be honestly questioned and it is this honest questioning that is distasteful to their senses.  This is because they believe in what they are expressing so that the message IS them, which it is not really, not in reality - but because of this perception and misconception they think they are being questioned when it is the message which is being questioned, because they cannot separate themselves from the message and so respond by ignoring the message which exposes the holes in their own message and making personal comments about the messenger, which either shuts the messenger up or, in my case, gives me an opportunity to clarify - I am not against YOU (or the 'we' you allude to be representing - btw if any of these 'we' are reading this, please step forward and speak for your selves) I am FOR honesty, sincerity, truthfulness and pulling aside the veils of mystical subjectivity for the sake of the collective objectivity.

In my communications with ET, this was one of the fundamental things they worked with me on - pulling away my own belief systems by questioning them through showing me the holes/inconsistencies in them.  I know it is hard at first but it is well worth it.  Many times in the early days I got snotty with them, much as you are doing with me.  I even pronounced them 'bad' and refused at times to speak with them, but they knew me well enough that I would come around as I just needed the time to absorb the data and was just reacting knee jerk and immaturely but in my heart I wanted to be truthful to myself and those whose paths cross with mine, and once I fully accepted the truth of their observations and realized the uncomfortable feelings being brought to the surface had to do with my own belief systems being shown to be faulty and that those feelings belonged to me and could be sourced within my own psyche - buttons being pushed meant that I had things to deal with and those helping to show me this were not my enemy - they were just not interested in molly coddling me or reinforcing said beliefs by playing along with them - of necessity they tolerated these beliefs through understanding, but they are not interested in pursuing communication forever on those terms because it is of no value in the long term to anyone.

You see - there is no 'Prime Directive' which prevents ET from communicating with anyone as if to do so is to interfere with the individual creating some unperceived and irrevocable damage.  All that is required is an honest and humble intent and an openness to learn and willingness to discard belief systems which do not promote unification and truthful communication.  It is really that simple.

All I ask is that in your time of 'muteness' where I am concerned you consider my words here and keep an open mind and see that I am not an enemy....but rather a potential friend. 

Thank You! Smiley
64  Astral Chat / Welcome to News and Media! / Re: Extraterrestrials on: May 16, 2013, 18:21:42
Steady on guy!

Most of your personal allegations against me in the above post are misleading!  They show a distinct inability to comprehend collective consciousness and your continued inability to focus on the message and desire to make the messenger out to be some kind of bad person.
This is not the first time you have done this, but it does spotlight that probable reason I gave a few posts back as to why ET does not disclose themselves to humanity - we can barely communicate honestly and maturely among ourselves!

There is nothing magical about the particular communication device - any more than there is about the internet being used as a communications device, or even a telephone.  Questions are a natural part of communication. 

I have more to say re your personal assertions...later.

65  Astral Chat / Welcome to News and Media! / Re: Extraterrestrials on: May 16, 2013, 08:27:25
Possible "Deathbed Confession" or just another disinformation attempt. You decide!

 http://vimeo.com/64939351

 He has nothing to lose, but the World has everything to gain!

I am not sure why you think the world has everything to gain - the interview isn't giving any particular type of information which hasn't been in the public domain before.
Regurgitation at best.
66  Astral Chat / Welcome to News and Media! / Re: Extraterrestrials on: May 16, 2013, 08:05:33
I'm just curious Wi11iam, have you ever questioned just who it might be that you are talking to via your "Magical Glass Mirror"?

There is nothing 'magical' about it guy.  It is just a communications device.  Questions are a natural part of communication.

67  Astral Chat / Welcome to News and Media! / Re: Extraterrestrials on: May 16, 2013, 02:20:03
Yep, I agree with that.  It's just part of the System at work to ensure it's survival.  The global System itself is extremely well adapted, and has highly efficient self defense mechanisms on many levels.  It is quite literally a living, breathing, conscious individual formed from the global collective.  If we are unhappy with the current System or have grown tired of it or see no further use for it, then we must change ourself at an individual level.  That is truly the only way.

As it is today the majority of individuals throughout society still view themself as insignificant, helpless, and powerless, relying completely upon the System to sustain them.  It's why we continue to protest in the streets against our institutions, because we still feel they have all the power and therefore we feel they are responsible for fixing our so called "problems".  But yeah, without going into an extremely long detail, the System is extremely efficient and proficient.

But again that can easily be changed.  We just quite simply have to change our Self. wink

The End of Queen Maab

Maybe the extraterrestrials are very aware of how our System works.  Maybe that is why they have been very gradually making their presence known, if at all.  And if they are increasing their presence, then maybe due to their understanding of how our System works they could possibly realize we are approaching a major transformation towards world peace and harmony, regardless of how utopian that is currently perceived.  But that is just an assumption, and just entertaining possibilities.  cool

The Evolution of the Butterfly

What is of interest to me in the right now is the communications process.  I think that ET does not communicate with humanity as a specie because we don't communicate well even among ourselves, and this means we effectively cannot be communicated with very easily even on an individual level.

Entertaining possibilities is acceptable and advisable as an alternative to being indifferent. Indifference would be the main reason why individuals are not being contacted by ET.  If we don't want to know, we won't be informed.





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68  Astral Chat / Welcome to News and Media! / Re: Ancient Pyramid Destruction on: May 16, 2013, 01:48:20
 I couldn't believe it when I read about this. In the Country of Belize a construction road company actually destroyed a Ancient Mayan Pyramid for road fill.  cry

 This is exactly what is wrong with some people today, a major lack of ethics or morality and too much ignorance and GREED. Nothing is sacred anymore.

 http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/15/world/americas/belize-mayan-pyramid-destroyed/index.html

I think it is wiser to be more concerned with preserving the future than with preserving the past.  Ethics and morality, do not seem to count as highly desirable attributes even to the oil cartels, bankers and wall street, but as you said in another thread, "It gives structure to the World and love it or hate it, it's needed." (my emphasis)

Personally I think the best position to take on morality and ethics is a neutral one.  This is because loving or hating anything generally requires one to be in one camp or the other and contribute to whatever particular stance that camp is insisting.  wink

(and often by standing outside those camps one gets a better, less bias overview of the whole picture.)

69  Astral Chat / Welcome to News and Media! / Re: Extraterrestrials on: May 16, 2013, 01:36:44
The problem really is the one's preventing the Disclosure have more finances and resources, then the ones wishing it.

 This is painfully evident from the "whimper" that has been broadcasted about the recent Congressional Disclosure in Washington.

 As long as people that report cases keep getting accused of being lunatics and the such, we won't be seeing any progress.

 Almost every report I have seen on the Nightly news ends up with the Anchor and their cohorts either smirking or putting in a final unneeded comment.

 At the recent Disclosure meeting, they had credible witnesses and still they get balked and mocked.

 Here is a video interview showing exactly that point on Larry King Live. They brought in Bill Nye the Science Guy and the SETI program director. SETI, otherwise known as Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence or in the field of Ufologists is known as Silly Effort To Investigate, a term Stan Friedman dubbed it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sby-c9CTVk

There may be nothing to disclose or it may be that those with the money are preventing disclosure, but we have already covered these possibilities in this thread and the general consensus appears to be that full disclosure is not going to achieve anything very positive.

As to news media, they really only represent the thinking of their followers and snide remarks and sniggers are standard practice of such followers as they are - as you said - not READY.

 wink
70  Astral Chat / Welcome to News and Media! / Re: Extraterrestrials on: May 15, 2013, 22:22:16
Well yes - the introduction of Queen Mab into this thread might be very appropriate.

It is most likely that stories of fairies, Green Man, Peter Pan, Narnia, Pan, the Fey, etc all derive from individual experience with APing and alter-realities and ETs and UFOs (seen as fast moving lights in the night sky) are the modern day adaptations.



71  Integral Philosophy / Welcome to Integral Philosophy! / Re: Our Future In The Physical Universe on: May 15, 2013, 09:48:50
http://vimeo.com/66100787

Smiley

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72  Astral Chat / Welcome to News and Media! / Re: Extraterrestrials on: May 15, 2013, 08:53:16
Ok, I guess I posed this question the wrong way. What would happen to the United States, Russia, China and the European Union that rely 100% on the stock market.

 Back when the Stock market had a minor glitch it caused the World powers to give in to any and all demands of the Banking systems. They knew that if the Banks fell, everything else did soon afterwards.

 True that's not the entire "voice of Humanity", but it's a voice that controls everything right now as it currently is. It gives structure to the World and love it or hate it, it's needed.

Truly this has been made a necessity, but not a natural one.  Natural necessity is recognized not through a banking system, a religion, or a political/patriotic agenda.

The concepts brought forth in the Treky universe recognize the true necessity has nothing to do with these things we have been educated over the centuries to believe in as being necessary.

While the Treky universe is a fictitious creation of human beings, it is nonetheless quite logical and thus possible as an operational reality.  While the energy used to operate the Federation still requires human effort and even on occasion individual sacrifice, no one is disadvantaged, no tribe is displaced, no living planet ravaged, and there are no elite overlords or countries etc...

In every sense, the individual provides freely of their life energy in exchange for nothing less than a very good lifestyle and this is achieved through a collective understanding of the logic the philosophy is built upon and a combined effort of all involved.

In terms of our present system(s) the reality is that this kind of thing can be achieved through very little tweaking of those present systems.  bankers/wall street are not only unnecessary but also represent one major WALL to being able to tweak and adjust, and might (or do?) invest heavily in propaganda/education which promotes the 'necessity' of that agenda whilst disparaging 'Utopian' (but logical) alternatives as 'crazy/dreamer/unrealistic' philosophies.
73  Astral Chat / Welcome to News and Media! / Re: Extraterrestrials on: May 15, 2013, 08:27:12
Some pertinent observations are coming through in this discussion.

Keeping in mind the ET/full disclosure, we could surmise based on just our combined observations here in this thread that it would not be a great idea.

From what I am reading here, the world population is 'not ready' and nor is the infrastructure able to cope with such information being released, either in regard to ETs or some kind of free energy device.

It would have to be presumed that the free energy would be sourced from nature, either through water, wind or sun and that it would be electric.

In both cases, the population would have to be educated and that a plan on how to get from A-Z would need to be created and disclosed by degree, with and 'end game' clearly revealed and that no one, regardless of their present social status or belief systems will be disadvantaged.

It might mean that the countries presently in the best positions would be the first to benefit from the transformation and that the fruits of their cooperation in that transformation would have a flow on effect to the rest of the world.

With free energy, the need for oil would dissipate which would mean that countries which rely so heavily upon it would be less inclined to become involved in warfare with those countries who presently have the bulk of oil reserves.

The most pressing problem might be in transforming machinery which runs on oil into that which runs on electricity but with first world minds focused on the problem in a collective manner, it would only be a matter of time until it is no problem at all.

I think one of the greatest hurdles would be how to reverse the damage already done in relation to ETs - most religious orgs - especially the more radical would resist ET presence as being 'of the devil' 'fallen angels' etc...and would be another reason why they may remain hidden.
74  Astral Chat / Welcome to News and Media! / Re: Extraterrestrials on: May 15, 2013, 01:31:03
Your an educated man Wi11iam, let me pose a question to you.

 What happens when Wall Street collapses?

 The answer will explain to you why Humanity is not ready for this yet!  wink

The rich suffer lose.  The poor remain poor.  The world turns and nature carries on as if money has nothing to do with anything.  wink  In regard to 'free energy' a collapse of Wall Street will hardly be noticed - Wall Street will become null and void - unnecessary.  I am not so sure that humanity is 'not ready' but appreciate those who are the middle-persons who most profit from the stock marketing are certainly not prepared, but these hardly count as the voice of humanity - they are rather the minority who happen to be in positions where they can ignore what the majority want in support of their own agenda.

 wink
75  Astral Chat / Welcome to News and Media! / Re: Extraterrestrials on: May 15, 2013, 01:24:53
Very true, there are a number of civilizations at all different advanced levels. Some like us, some that are just starting and others that are millions of years ahead of us.

 So yes, you likely have the good, the bad and the ugly, a melding pot of sorts!

 But not all of them experience duality like we do.

 We experience positive and negative emotions.

 Some of the other races have no emotions and this is why they like to study Earth.

 Some have transcended emotions, but emotions still intrigue them.

 Like I said, there are many different varieties.

 Look up into the night sky, every star you see is likely surrounded by Planets.

 We say that many of them can't be habitable.

 In our physical form, that's true, but who says they use our biological forms!  wink

Who can say? 

Speculation is of no particular use.  It appears that disclosure is detrimental due to the known variables. ETs are of no significant use to the human situation, and pursuing and supporting a move to full disclosure is of no value, even to those who are ready to handle the truth...there simply is no way to be 'ready' due to the speculation.  No one, even those who are experienced with ET, are truly ready apart from perhaps in their own subjective experience an personal opinions.
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