Alien, 2012, Pyramids, Paintings, Growing Theory Thread

[Mydral]

Pyramids don't necessarily mean much. We are all humans, hence we think somewhat a like all around the world.

Notice that civilizations which never had contact with each other also developed other things in common:
Pots, clay, some form of housing, some form of cloths, some form of weapon... etc. etc.

At some point they developed pyramids, probably because its a simple shape to build (at least more simple then towers since the center point of gravity is very stable).

Now some things are just invented by most civilizations and some are shown by one to the other.
Actually some civilizations which build pyramids had contact with each other at one point.


Simple question:
Why does everyone think humans are to dumb and to unskilled to invent things on their own? It always has to be God, aliens or some other beeing which is not human.
500,000 years from now someone will probably also say that the number 0 or so was actually brought to us by Aliens or God 

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Pyramids don't necessarily mean much. We are all humans, hence we think somewhat a like all around the world.

Notice that civilizations which never had contact with each other also developed other things in common:
Pots, clay, some form of housing, some form of cloths, some form of weapon... etc. etc.

At some point they developed pyramids, probably because its a simple shape to build (at least more simple then towers since the center point of gravity is very stable).

Now some things are just invented by most civilizations and some are shown by one to the other.
Actually some civilizations which build pyramids had contact with each other at one point.


Simple question:
Why does everyone think humans are to dumb and to unskilled to invent things on their own? It always has to be God, aliens or some other beeing which is not human.
500,000 years from now someone will probably also say that the number 0 or so was actually brought to us by Aliens or God 

I live in America.

[AndrewTheSinger]

This is fascinating, and disturbing: http://www.book-of-thoth.com/article1238.html

[CFTraveler]

I read it and indeed found it fascinating.  However, I don't get why they decided:
1-The code had to be designed (shows a preconceived notion, and I would think that for a code programmer this would be their starting position)
2-Why it had to be extraterrestrial- The meat of the discovery is clear about:
The non-coding sequences are common to all living organisms on Earth, from molds to fish to humans.  This tells me that cancer is something that is common to all organisms on earth- so why the et connection?
This indeed may give us a cure for cancer- cancer indeed is something that does not support health and longevity, but to say that this is the reason to assume it wasn't created on earth is-suspect.
It's like saying that because killer bees contaminate other bees and are harmful to practically all other living creatures they must have been genetically programmed by something not of this earth.
This reads like the ET version of the old theistic creationist 'clock mechanism' explanation as an excuse for it.
Like I said, I basically agree with the idea of panspermia for a very simple reason, (which is besides the point of this post) but I don't see how this discovery is in any way related to it.

[AndrewTheSinger]

True, since they are proposing an alternative solution for the non-coding genes presence, without more information this is simply an entertaining hypothesis. When one puts that into a context tough, it can help us evaluate the indications. Let's say for instance that the probe on Mars finds a kind of bacteria that has the same type of sequences as the earthly organisms, that would add weight to the nonrandom nature of the coding, for if it the sequences were an evolutionary trait one would expect to find totally different arrangements in alien organisms. Being nonrandom therefore it had to be designed, the cells are definitely following the same predetermined instructions. But yes, some could say it's God, some could say it's ET.

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True, since they are proposing an alternative solution for the non-coding genes presence, without more information this is simply an entertaining hypothesis. When one puts that into a context tough, it can help us evaluate the indications. Let's say for instance that the probe on Mars finds a kind of bacteria that has the same type of sequences as the earthly organisms, that would add weight to the nonrandom nature of the coding, for if it the sequences were an evolutionary trait one would expect to find totally different arrangements in alien organisms. Being nonrandom therefore it had to be designed, the cells are definitely following the same predetermined instructions. But yes, some could say it's God, some could say it's ET.

I belief in aliens, ok...but this article doesn't connect it at all.

[CFTraveler]

Let's say for instance that the probe on Mars finds a kind of bacteria that has the same type of sequences as the earthly organisms, that would add weight to the nonrandom nature of the coding, for if it the sequences were an evolutionary trait one would expect to find totally different arrangements in alien organisms. Being nonrandom therefore it had to be designed, the cells are definitely following the same predetermined instructions. But yes, some could say it's God, some could say it's ET.

But there are a few things (I don't want to call them facts) to consider:
Both Mars and the Earth have been hit by asteroids and meteors, etc, that came from the same places (Can't remember, the Kuyper belt?) so if the idea of panspermia is correct, then we are all descended from microorganisms that came in through these meteors or asteroids.
This is obviously not proven (and I don't know if it's even probable) but it brings on the idea that DNA may be extraterrestrial, though not necessarily planned by an intelligence (Leaving God aside from this convo for now, because we can get really complicated really fast) it would show why there could have been the same microorganisms in Mars as in Earth- because both got 'colonized [in the biological sense] while the Earth was in the 'primordial soup' phase.
I find this idea compelling because really ancient microorganisms needed different things to thrive and were adapted to conditions that would destroy us now.  They actually had to adapt to oxygen when it became abundant.  This is in the fossil record.  So what I'm saying is that primitive life here on earth was abundantly different than it is today, in a very basic sense.  So what I'm trying to say is that I applaud that they're trying to find evidence of ET genetics here, but I think they jumped the boat on this one.

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I also believe that aliens created us.

[AndrewTheSinger]

Both Mars and the Earth have been hit by asteroids and meteors, etc, that came from the same places (Can't remember, the Kuyper belt?) so if the idea of panspermia is correct, then we are all descended from microorganisms that came in through these meteors or asteroids.

The problem I see is that due to the extremely high levels of radiation that occur in outer space, be it from the Sun or Cosmic Rays, living organisms wouldn't be able to survive the travel. Meteorites and asteroids would be completely sterilized before they got anywhere, and if they didn't, the iron melting temperatures reached during the passage through the atmosphere would wipe out any traces of life that might have existed there.

This is obviously not proven (and I don't know if it's even probable) but it brings on the idea that DNA may be extraterrestrial, though not necessarily planned by an intelligence (Leaving God aside from this convo for now, because we can get really complicated really fast) it would show why there could have been the same microorganisms in Mars as in Earth- because both got 'colonized [in the biological sense] while the Earth was in the 'primordial soup' phase.
I find this idea compelling because really ancient microorganisms needed different things to thrive and were adapted to conditions that would destroy us now.  They actually had to adapt to oxygen when it became abundant. This is in the fossil record.

See, supposing that they survived an arduous space travel, for these very reasons the organisms shouldn't show the same genetic sequencing. They had to survive under very different conditions: different distances to the Sun, different atmospheric compositions, different environments, etc.  Now, what if the sequences were the same? That's when things get interesting.

Meteors and asteroids are not as relevant to the history and development of the planets as they are portrayed to be. This is a very long story, actually a very big conspiracy, or preferably, a big play of interests. The importance of those loose space rocks have never been accepted until the late 1950's, when planetary science started growing and they became aware of what's going on 'out there'. They realized that it would be undesirable for people to know of these matters, maybe fearing that people would panic, maybe not wanting the public to know that it's out of their control, so theories were embraced, not because of their validity, but because things needed to be addressed to mold the mind of the people before the geology of our neighbouring planets could be spoken of.

So what I'm saying is that primitive life here on earth was abundantly different than it is today, in a very basic sense.  So what I'm trying to say is that I applaud that they're trying to find evidence of ET genetics here, but I think they jumped the boat on this one.

I'm not sure that I agree with their conclusions either, I just feel there's something there.

[CFTraveler]

Meteors and asteroids are not as relevant to the history and development of the planets as they are portrayed to be. This is a very long story, actually a very big conspiracy, or preferably, a big play of interests. The importance of those loose space rocks have never been accepted until the late 1950's, when planetary science started growing and they became aware of what's going on 'out there'. They realized that it would be undesirable for people to know of these matters, maybe fearing that people would panic, maybe not wanting the public to know that it's out of their control, so theories were embraced, not because of their validity, but because things needed to be addressed to mold the mind of the people before the geology of our neighbouring planets could be spoken of.

Sources?

[AndrewTheSinger]

www.freewebs.com/hiddenhistory

[CFTraveler]

I'm fine with the concept that previous civilizations were more advanced that we give them credit for, but I don't get why the 'conspiracy' idea.  I don't see any 'undeniable proof of conspiracy'- more like our tendency to think we're the 'highest point in evolution'- our cultural ego, as history has shown over and over, that makes us think we're 'the lords of creation' somehow entitled to be 'it', and naturally resisting any ideas that suggest otherwise.
As to conspiracy, true or false, I don't know, but not necessarily based on any facts.

[AndrewTheSinger]

As some people say, a good conspiracy can't be undeniable, because then it's not a conspiracy anymore, but a proven fact. Still there's a lot more evidence, that was just the 'tip of the iceberg', but things start to get way too serious, and I'm not sure that I wanna get into that yet. I'd like to think that there are good conspiracies, like people working silenty for the betterment of the situation, but it seems that it's always cover ups and manipulation of information, and it stinks. 

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As some people say, a good conspiracy can't be undeniable, because then it's not a conspiracy anymore, but a proven fact. Still there's a lot more evidence, that was just the 'tip of the iceberg', but things start to get way too serious, and I'm not sure that I wanna get into that yet. I'd like to think that there are good conspiracies, like people working silenty for the betterment of the situation, but it seems that it's always cover ups and manipulation of information, and it stinks. 

I think the aliens are going to show themselves after 2012.

[CFTraveler]

It's not that far off.