Are 2012 calculations correct?

[grizli]

Some claims that Maya calendar is not accurately recalculated to western calendar: What do you think?

So ... ok

here is link for the dream I had recently

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_dreams/strange_dreams_intense_light-t25497.0.html

[Awakened_Mind]

There has been a little controversy of whether the calendar finishes Dec 12th 2012 or Oct 11th? 2011.

-AM

[Hannah b]

Yes, it is an ongoing debate... http://www.experiencefestival.com/a/2012/id/1726

It doesn't matter if it's 2012, 2011 0r 2020...the change IS already happening, so the "peak point" will just be a cherry on top of a pie 

[the fool on the hill]

2012- the day of saturn will come the apocalypse. i think

[the fool on the hill]

those who can feel their vibrations might be saved though. an old man told me once that those who want to be saved should go to the tallest mountains

[grizli]

Dont spread fear about earth distrucition and death

WHO is dying at the first place?!

Just be CALM, and dont be afraid of anything: what is going to happen it will happen with your concern about it or without, its the same

Those part of yout beings that is mortal is already dead, it is just an illusion, but your true self is "above" life and death
 

[Adrian]

Hello Awakened Mind,

There has been a little controversy of whether the calendar finishes Dec 12th 2012 or Oct 11th? 2011.

-AM

It is 2012. The 2011 date originated from Carl Calleman on what appears to be incomplete data.

Best regards,

Adrian.

[shadow.pulsar]

Some claims that Maya calendar is not accurately recalculated to western calendar: What do you think?

Okay, I'll through my hat into it here with my rather different opinion backed by common sense...

There is no 2012. I don't mean the year, that will come and go in our calender, what I mean is the end of the Mayan calender.

The Mayan's based their entire calender on very precise calculations made when the Earth's axis had no wobble. The Earth has a wobble now and that changes the passage of time so significantly that when coupled with the inaccuracies of the many calenders that have come since, the Mayan calender is unable to be used in this day and time.

Essentially, the Mayan calender ended when they did.

[Awakened_Mind]

Do you have any sites in regards to the wobble of the earth, when it began, how it effects the time around the sun?

I was under the impression the Gregorian calendar was still accurate.

-AM

[shadow.pulsar]

Do you have any sites in regards to the wobble of the earth, when it began, how it effects the time around the sun?

I was under the impression the Gregorian calendar was still accurate.

-AM

I didn't get it from a website I got it from a book that was written by an academic who set out to prove what happened to Atlantis. I don't remember the title or author off the top of my head so I'll browse amazon.com for you to see if I can find it. The book is filled with proven and undisputed scientific fact that he took from various sources and correlated together to prove where Atlantis was, what happened to it, and why. In my opinion he gets the job done fantastically.

Also, if the Gregorian calendar was ever accurate we would not have to adjust it every 4 years with a short February. Also keep in mind that it originated from the Julian calendar which was arbitrarily made so that the most powerful lords of Ceaser's time had the most days in their months (that February guy must of really sucked), instead of using science to calculate time properly.  The Gregorian calendar is not based on any scientific fact, it is simply an extension of the Julian Calendar.  The most accurate calendar the we can get now is a lunar based one, but then you have to make corrections for season drift. All that is due to the fact that the Earth has a wobble, which throws off any time based calculations that does not take that into consideration.

I'll go find that book now.  Man if only I was home right now I'd just pull it off the shelf...

[shadow.pulsar]

I'll go find that book now.  Man if only I was home right now I'd just pull it off the shelf...

Here we go.  It is called Atlantis of the West by Paul Dunbavin. I'll provide an excerpt below.
Here is the link from amazon: http://www.amazon.com/Atlantis-West-Britains-Megalithic-Civilization/dp/0786711450/sr=1-1/qid=1171374162/ref=sr_1_1/105-8808968-4587633?ie=UTF8&s=books

Here is the excerpt:

Do Welsh legends of lost cities beneath the sea match Plato's descriptions of the island civilization of Atlantis? Do Irish myths of a golden age when the eastern Irish Sea was a flowery plain describe the same place Herodotus said disappeared beneath the waves during a single day and night of geological upheaval millennia before Ancient Greece? Author and researcher Paul Dunbavin has embarked on a multidisciplinary investigation into how science could explain such a catastrophe and how modern archaeological findings point to a possible location for lost Atlantis. This book theorizes that the Middle Neolithic period around 5,000 years ago was a time of dramatic climate and sea-level changes all around the world. From an up-to-date scientific perspective, Dunbavin distills an array of significant geological theories and then examines the archaeological and mythological record-which together leads to a lost land thousands of years ago in the Irish Sea that was still mentioned in ancient Welsh histories recorded in the sixth century. Atlantis of the West presents a remarkable congruence of evidence from multiple disciplines to link the fabled lost Atlantis with the vanished Neolithic civilization of the megalithic builders. Maps and illustrations are included.

[3588897]

Okay, I'll through my hat into it here with my rather different opinion backed by common sense...

There is no 2012. I don't mean the year, that will come and go in our calender, what I mean is the end of the Mayan calender.

The Mayan's based their entire calender on very precise calculations made when the Earth's axis had no wobble. The Earth has a wobble now and that changes the passage of time so significantly that when coupled with the inaccuracies of the many calenders that have come since, the Mayan calender is unable to be used in this day and time.

Essentially, the Mayan calender ended when they did.

The Earth has always had a wobble. Ever since the Moon formed the Earth has had a wobble. In fact the last major tilt was just 2,000 years ago, and the Mayan callender was written sometime around 700-1500 years ago as far as I know.

[MisterJingo]

The Earth has always had a wobble. Ever since the Moon formed the Earth has had a wobble. In fact the last major tilt was just 2,000 years ago, and the Mayan callender was written sometime around 700-1500 years ago as far as I know.

Yup, http://www.museum.state.il.us/exhibits/ice_ages/tilt_graph.html . Don't quote me on it, but I think it has been found that the Earth has 2 wobbles. One takes a vey long term to cycle, the other is shorter (but still takes a long time).

[shadow.pulsar]

The Earth has always had a wobble. Ever since the Moon formed the Earth has had a wobble. In fact the last major tilt was just 2,000 years ago, and the Mayan calender was written sometime around 700-1500 years ago as far as I know.

There is a reason the Mayans are typically referred to as an ancient civilization. They were around from 2600BCE to 13CE. 2600BCE is their earliest appearance and 13CE is when they disappeared. From 6CE to 13CE their culture was in decline and then wiped out. Remnants of their people were scatted for quite a while after that date, however I speculate that they didn't create the calendar at that time. I could not find a date for the creation of the Mayan calendar, however one would expect it to be created rather early in the civilizations history. I would say around 1000BCE to be conservative, possibly earlier.

Using your calculations above, that would put the Mayan calendars appearance at around 500CE - 510CE, about 500 years after their decline.  Kind of obvious that they weren't around then. Also that puts the last major axial tilt at 7CE which highlights the event that caused the downfall of Mayan civilization in the first place.

That means the Mayan calendar was created during a time of axial stability. Once the axial tilt event occurred their calendar became inaccurate as it changed how time was measured. Just imagine what it was like before the tilt, when the seasons ran on a predictable 7 and 13 year cycle. Easy weather prediction? Crop planting predictions? Life must of been hell for them when the tilt occurred as we don't have that nice 7 and 13 year pattern anymore.

At any rate there is always a possibility that I am wrong but as I said I thought I'd just propose and odd sort of theory on the whole 2012 thing.

[3588897]

There is a reason the Mayans are typically referred to as an ancient civilization. They were around from 2600BCE to 13CE. 2600BCE is their earliest appearance and 13CE is when they disappeared. From 6CE to 13CE their culture was in decline and then wiped out. Remnants of their people were scatted for quite a while after that date, however I speculate that they didn't create the calendar at that time. I could not find a date for the creation of the Mayan calendar, however one would expect it to be created rather early in the civilizations history. I would say around 1000BCE to be conservative, possibly earlier.

Using your calculations above, that would put the Mayan calendars appearance at around 500CE - 510CE, about 500 years after their decline.  Kind of obvious that they weren't around then. Also that puts the last major axial tilt at 7CE which highlights the event that caused the downfall of Mayan civilization in the first place.

That means the Mayan calendar was created during a time of axial stability. Once the axial tilt event occurred their calendar became inaccurate as it changed how time was measured. Just imagine what it was like before the tilt, when the seasons ran on a predictable 7 and 13 year cycle. Easy weather prediction? Crop planting predictions? Life must of been hell for them when the tilt occurred as we don't have that nice 7 and 13 year pattern anymore.

At any rate there is always a possibility that I am wrong but as I said I thought I'd just propose and odd sort of theory on the whole 2012 thing.

According to Wikipedia the Mayans were doing excellent up till 900 AD, with a collapse in 1050 AD. About the callender I looked it up on wikipedia just now and it said it dated back to 6th century BC, so you've got me there. I'm thinking that the callender may have been based on lunar years which would still make the mayan callender wrong. I'll have to research it some more tomorrow when I've got more time.