The reality of the Pole Shift?

[no_leaf_clover]

Yeah, what physically will happen is hard to predict and probably should be less of a concern to us than what is going to happen to people in the future anyway.

Capitalism and the Western way of life is unsustainable, especially with huge nations like India and China jumping on board.  What happens is relatively few individuals in the world use vast proportions of the available resources.  The US, for example, is less than 5% of the Earth's population, but uses over 25% of its supply of oil.  Major media is starting to report world food shortages hitting home as the value of the dollar declines and Americans become increasingly unrestful for a variety of reasons, including widespread suspicion of widespread corruption and the pitiful shape of our economy.  And did anybody forget about the wars we still have going on in the Mid-East, and trying to spark up even more?

All this was in the cards, though, and has been for probably decades, if not much longer.  That our economy would eventually catastrophically collapse was determined the day the Federal Reserve Act was passed, and private banks began issuing US currency and issuing interests and compound interests on our debts so that, at this point, we go down quicker than we could ever come back out.  Similarly for the rest.  Oil companies knew they would become obsolete as technology progressed, and at this crucial era in time, look at the White House:  Bush, Cheney, and Rice were all in the oil business.  It's like they're making their last run for it, too.

Just in general a lot of really important things are going to have to change whether we want them to or not,  and the way they're going to change by themselves isn't going to pretty for the rest of us.

[aleshah]

Oil is limited in ressource. It may remain 50 years and then it will be probably consumed like coal for example.
There are alternated energy sources and ideas have to replace the old.
Our psy is willing to pick extreme examples like oil ressources,  the population decline and natural disaster increase, because we have no clue at all. Everything that produces fear is that the system gonna to crash which means the old pattern of thinking needs to be replaced with a new one.
I expect it will not be replaced completly it will be slightly changed.
It takes just 4 years to 2012 and seeing what happens provided that we survive untill then. I dont expect rapid changes, but changes must happen according to the pattern of nature and the way we use natural resources ...

[Kyrin Blair]

Honeybees and flux capacitors aside...

What we need to worry about is the future direction that mankind is taking, not some cosmic new year.

If I were any sort of god, I wouldn't throw down judgement day on 12/21/2012 just because that would be EXPECTED. I would want to take the world by surprise.

For that matter, if I were any sort of god, I would never conduct any sort of mass ascendance, because from a karmic point of view, it's completely counterproductive.

You negate any lessons learned this time around on the Earth plane. You destroy any existing build up energetic structure. You pretty much quash any progress up till that point of time.

And don't give me any of that 'cleansing' BS. This world could be WAAAY way worse, it is within the realm of fixable.

[aleshah]

Why to worry about a direction mankind is taking.Only because out of our conservative point of view?
If ascendance is possible, why you should prohibit it?I mean everyone is free to ascend and to descend then..

What do we know about earth?What do u see in it- a ball of dirt?
To pass some questionable lessons you talk of and to die on this clump without your own progress?
I mean think about it, is your rest of days 3-dimensional or multidimensional?

If there is a god, he wouldnt give a bonk about it...

[Kyrin Blair]

Well, obviously (s)he gives a bonk about it. And earth IS multidimensional, seems you have to poke around a bit more. Just because our influence over reality is less than that of other planes doesn't make it a ball of dirt (although flying would be nice).

As for ascendance, well, most of the people here aren't ready for it, and most that are have been able to do it for millennia and are here for some reason or another. I don't think the clock is gonna strike midnight and magical pixie dust will be dispersed allowing everyone to beam up. If someone had the ability to ascend and had absolutely no reason to be here, they would have left.

[Vitruvian]

http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=why-does-the-earths-magne
One of several articles in the Scientific American, discussing why and how often the earth's magnetic field reverses. I'd say you could call that a pole shift.

We know from magnetic records locked in rocks that the Earth's magnetic field has reversed many times in the past. We don't really know why but we have some theories that are being borne out in mathematical models.
We also know that the magnetic field of the sun reverses as well-- every 11 years, whereas the Earth's reverses irregularly

Current modelling shows the geodynamo is indeed in a state of flux right now. Also, it is hypothesized that many species (such as honeybees) may navigate to a degree via magnetic fields. I have personally noted that the geese in our flyway no longer seem to have a good handle on where they are or where they're going in the last several years.
Vitruvian
PS - no_leaf_clover, I just had to give you a +karma  Using sarcasm to zing sarcasm, yet, somehow in a good way 

I like all the sarcasm and scoffing.  It reminds me of... everywhere else on the Internet that adolescents post on forums.

[Adun]

The galactic alignment is the event when our planet crosses the equator of the center of our galaxy, which is a black hole.

That's true. However, we got absolutely no proof that being aligned with a supermassive black hole thousands of light years away has any effect at all. Also, since the Sun crosses the galactic plane about every 33 million years, we can conclude the Mayan calendar (a 26 thousand years cycle) isn't based on that event.

Honey bees are not the only species that are dramatically falling onto the endangered species list.

Natural and human made changes to the environment are to blame I would guess.

There's even an increase in human deaths--some by nature, some by weird and unexplained causes, some by suicide, etc. It's the nature of time, now, leading up to 2012 which supports the prophecies of 2012. The prophecy that's getting most evidence support is that by the end of 2012, two-thirds of the world population will be gone. We're coming to the realization that two-thirds won't die by one single event but many small events as 2012 nears. So maybe it's true that the world population will decline and an order of nature is taking place.

Sources please?

We do know for a fact that life expectancy has been increasing over time. I couldn't find any information on the evolution of mortality rates, though it's reasonable to believe they're decreasing.

Adun is right about some previous statements but wrong about contradictions toward Aleshah.

Would you care to elaborate? I'm not quite satisfied with just a "you're wrong".

http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=why-does-the-earths-magne
One of several articles in the Scientific American, discussing why and how often the earth's magnetic field reverses. I'd say you could call that a pole shift.

You could but you really shouldn't, pole shift hypothesis refers to something completely different from geomagnetic reversal.

[Vitruvian]

Quote from: Vitruvian on May 26, 2008, 16:51:37
http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=why-does-the-earths-magne
One of several articles in the Scientific American, discussing why and how often the earth's magnetic field reverses. I'd say you could call that a pole shift.

You could but you really shouldn't, pole shift hypothesis refers to something completely different from geomagnetic reversal.

My (only) point was that when the field reverses the poles will indeed shift, by definition (they've moved) and in a really big way, not just the smallish movements hypothesized by pole shift theory. I grant the literature doesn't use that nomenclature.
Vitruvian

[Kyrin Blair]

Either way you look at it, it's a random phenomenon, and a process that takes thousands of years. There is no one specific event, and there is no way the Mayans could have predicted it.

If it did occur in the foreseeable future, the worse that could happen would be collapse of the ionic barrier, and we'd have more than enough time to get a mylar suit for every man, woman and child.

We have far more to worry about CO2 and methane in the atmosphere, degradation of the ozone layer, toxic buildup, and acid rain.

[Awakened_Mind]

The reality of the pole shift is that during some part of earth's history the magnetic north-south orientation has reversed 180 degrees, once or perhaps more. Secondly, we have no mathematical, scientific and to my knowledge anthropological evidence to support the notion that the earth will cease spinning and the pole's shift again on the exact date of Dec 21st 2012.

-AM

[Adun]

Vitruvian And Awakened_Mind,

The pole shift hypothesis refers to the shifting of the geographical poles. Those do not coincide with the magnetic poles (a compass won't point to the north pole, it will point to something close called "magnetic north").

While there is a gradual change in the geographical poles, sudden shifts such as those described in the pole shift hypothesis seem to be all new agey pseudo-science and speculation.

[Awakened_Mind]

Vitruvian And Awakened_Mind,

The pole shift hypothesis refers to the shifting of the geographical poles. Those do not coincide with the magnetic poles (a compass won't point to the north pole, it will point to something close called "magnetic north").

While there is a gradual change in the geographical poles, sudden shifts such as those described in the pole shift hypothesis seem to be all new agey pseudo-science and speculation.

Not geographical, geomagnetic. How can a theory regarding the magnetic reversal of the North-South orientation have nothing to do with magnetism? Seriously.

http://www.halexandria.org/dward761.htm

-AM

[aleshah]

Some expect a magnetical N-S poleshift will happen.
Can someone tell me, why this happens and its dated to 2012?

I mean if a natural magnet is turned N-S why should it switch somewhere in 2012?
Will other magnets will not change then and jump of, means if you put many magnets in one direction and setup them like a dynamo you get an energy shoot by 2012, i guess its not that physical massive, but i am just wondering....

[Vitruvian]

aleshah,
Look at my previous post; there is a link to the Scientic American magazine and articles(s) explaining this natural phenomenom. Then see the following.

Awakened_Mind -

http://www.halexandria.org/dward761.htm

fun link; I enjoy articles that quote their sources.
Vitruvian

[Adun]

Not geographical, geomagnetic. How can a theory regarding the magnetic reversal of the North-South orientation have nothing to do with magnetism? Seriously.

Again.... Geomagnetic reversal deals with magnetic poles. Pole shift hypothesis refers to a shift in the geographic poles, it's an hypothesis and not to be confused with true polar wander.