The wave of the Yellow Warrior is starting on the 30th of March.

[DH]

Isn't fear a lousy thing?

We all have our fears.  They come in all sizes and shapes, depending IMHO on where we are unwilling to trust Life (or whatever you call the Higher Power) to move us on safely. 

I try not to judge anyone's fears.  Mine sometimes bite me!

I don't know Hannah B, but I understand that she comes from a country that has been brutalized by any number of the aggressors in past decades -- like Nazis and Commies and power hungry nationalists.  That damages the national psyche big time.  It gives you a certain view of the world that is different than if you grew up in the USA.  It makes you nervous of any nation that has the power to enslave you once again.  Hannah, I'd just say beware of your Russian sources for news (like the US bombing Iran).  Russians and Americans have been fighting propaganda wars for a long time.  They both can be full of crap instead of truth.

I understand the fear of Big Brother that many of us have in the US.  Since 9/11 paranoia has gotten worse for a lot of folks.  I personally think that even though the government is collecting a lot of info, that it's not going to affect the life of the average person.  If you have links to terrorists, maybe you should watch out.  The gov. has been collecting info on us for years.  I learned that I was monitored for awhile because I was (gasp gasp) a campaign coordinator for George McGovern on a campus in 1972.  Later we got in trouble again because we staged a protest against "Tricky Dick" who was speaking at the commencement at our university shortly before he resigned.  But we lived through it.  Life has been good.

I've lived in places where I basically felt safe (UK and US) and places where I didn't feel secure from day to day (Bolivia), but personally I have grown a lot by facing my fears head on and trusting the Higher Power to lead me on to bigger and better things.  There is definitely something to having a positive attitude and believing in the law of attraction.

I salute Hannah B for getting on the plane and facing the aggressors!  I salute Mustardseed for his desire to get on the boat and head out to sea!   I salute anyone of you who are willing to get out of the comfort zone and move on to bigger and better things.  You will be rewarded.

And now that I've finished my Scotch and my rant, I'm going to bed.   Nos da!  DH

[erynys]

OMG!!!!! THE USA IS BOMBING IRAN?!!!! WHY ARE THEY DOING THAT!!! iran is totally gonna bomb the excrement out of the usa.

[CFTraveler]

Well, it didn't happen.  I hope it doesn't at all.

[Hannah b]

Hello everyone,
So I've been stuffing myself with chocolate chip cookies unconscious of the debate that has been going on here.
First of all I'd like to say I agree and identify with everything Stookie has said. Thank you Stookie for verbalizing my thoughts 

To TalaNay:

I thought the topic was about fears?  Aren't your feelings based on being afraid? 

Erm...that's exactly why I'm talking about my fears Nay  This is how people generally tend to "work on themselves":they observe their feelings and thoughts, accept them, transform them, and move on. This wave is teaching me quite a lot, and I'm grateful that I'm able to see the signs. I thought that what I'm doing this for is quite clear, especially on these spiritual boards. .oh well, I guess it's not.

  No offense Hannah, but isn't this having a over inflated sense of self importance to think that our govt wants to know what you wipe your arse with?  Every last person on this website isn't worth the govt's time.. sorry.  I think it borders on paranoia to think they are watching you or any of us that closely.

An over inflated sense of self importance? Where did you get that from? I'm stating a fact. If you had ever been through questioning during immigration you'd know what I'm talking about. From what I remember you have never been outside of US, so I guess it's quite easy for you to give out judgments like that. Go through it yourself and then give out statements.
It's the US government that wants the information from me and I'd be more than happy to keep my personal info to myself. So exactly what IS your point Nay??

Maybe there is a different definition of paranoia apart from the one I know. To me things like Patriot Act are paranoia. Feeling a bit strange when someone (or the system) knows details of my life is a normal, healthy reaction. So, who's paranoid here?

Living on a uncharted island not only means you can't have the conveniences of food or material objects but if someone rapes, or murders your daughter, you best learn to deal with it because there is no law to enforce peoples behaviors. 

That is your point of view and I respect that. Personally I'd love to give up the conveniences of the material life, so that I can live the way I want. I'm working hard on accomplishing that, and believe that it will happen one day soon. I can live without my morning pancakes and a weekend movie.

To DH:

I don't know Hannah B, but I understand that she comes from a country that has been brutalized by any number of the aggressors in past decades -- like Nazis and Commies and power hungry nationalists.  That damages the national psyche big time.  It gives you a certain view of the world that is different than if you grew up in the USA.  It makes you nervous of any nation that has the power to enslave you once again.

Yes, you have a point DH. The only thing is that I grew up in the US and don't really remember what communism is like, but I guess it effected me in this way or another.
I think that no matter where you come from, and no matter what your own history is, a need of being  or at least feeling free is stronger than anything else. At least for some. I'm a freedom fighter because I don't agree to live in the world I'm living in. Yes, it is my, and only my problem. So all I can do is change myself as much as possible, so that certain things won't bother me anymore. The world, the way I see it is a very sad place...and to me Orwellian visions are not some spaced out ideas, but issues with which we are dealing with more and more. I do see the world that way. I know that there are different interpretations of en slavery and freedom. That which is freedom to one, can be en slavery to other. To me freedom is a state of mind. I heard this beautiful sentence by Gandhi.
 
After he has been let out of prison after a few years, a journalist asked him: So how does it feel to be imprisoned? Imprisoned? Gandhi replied. I've never been imprisoned, because I've always been free.

That's all for now...I got a plane to catch 
I'm keeping my fingers crossed for you Mustardseed 
All the best

[Nay]

Erm...that's exactly why I'm talking about my fears Nay    This is how people generally tend to "work on themselves":they observe their feelings and thoughts, accept them, transform them, and move on. This wave is teaching me quite a lot, and I'm grateful that I'm able to see the signs. I thought that what I'm doing this for is quite clear, especially on these spiritual boards. .oh well, I guess it's not.

I said what I said because you told me I was off topic, and I didn't roll my eyes at you, did I do something to deserve such a smarmy reaction?

An over inflated sense of self importance? Where did you get that from? I'm stating a fact. If you had ever been through questioning during immigration you'd know what I'm talking about. From what I remember you have never been outside of US, so I guess it's quite easy for you to give out judgments like that. Go through it yourself and then give out statements.
It's the US government that wants the information from me and I'd be more than happy to keep my personal info to myself. So exactly what IS your point Nay??

Maybe there is a different definition of paranoia apart from the one I know. To me things like Patriot Act are paranoia. Feeling a bit strange when someone (or the system) knows details of my life is a normal, healthy reaction. So, who's paranoid here?

I said an over inflated sense of self because you seem to think that our Govt is worried about what you are about and are keeping track of your comings and goings.  To ME, that seems like you have a over inflated sense of yourself.   I'm not saying it to tick you off, I was trying to express my opinion, that's all. 

"from what I can remember you've never been outside the US"  Now I'm paranoid..   I don't recall speaking to you much about anything in my life... and I'm not sure what that has to do with the govt eye-spying on you.  You seem upset and very defensive, sorry you took my comments and opinions on such a level.  I'm sure my abusive childhood has made me very paranoid about certain things so, I guess this could be the different definition that is happening. 

You are more than welcome to be just as paranoid as you like, the base reason on why I commented the first time was because you seemed angry and a bit put-off by the US and I'm sorry, but when going to another country, in my book, you don't bash it before visiting it.  I'm going to guess that you are going to have a horrible time because that is exactly what you think is going to happen.

BUT... I'm going to wish you a safe flight and may you feel less angry towards Americans.

[Hannah b]

Nay:

I said what I said because you told me I was off topic, and I didn't roll my eyes at you, did I do something to deserve such a smarmy reaction?

My reaction is to your question:

I thought the topic was about fears?  Aren't your feelings based on being afraid?

The off topic was the government issue.

I said an over inflated sense of self because you seem to think that our Govt is worried about what you are about and are keeping track of your comings and goings.

Well...this IS a fact. The US government IS keeping track of my comings and goings and I know that because I have been asked about the details of my past trips, and they had it all: When, with who, why and what for. I didn't make this up. They knew which school I was attending 15 years ago and that I brought a flat this year. Most people are being interviewed this way it's not just the "very special me". Believe me Nay, I'd love to be invisible and could even pay them not to have these informations taken out, but hell...it is a must, otherwise I wouldn't be able to enter US.
Keeping track of what people are doing is mostly part of the Patriot Act. It's a fact...not my speculation. I really can't figure out where you got this self importance thing. Maybe I'm just so self centered that I don't see it...

"from what I can remember you've never been outside the US"  Now I'm paranoid..   I don't recall speaking to you much about anything in my life... and I'm not sure what that has to do with the govt eye-spying on you.  You seem upset and very defensive, sorry you took my comments and opinions on such a level.  I'm sure my abusive childhood has made me very paranoid about certain things so, I guess this could be the different definition that is happening. 

I have the impression you mentioned that once when I was talking about my Egypt trip...sorry if I'm wrong. What I meant by you going and experiencing it for yourself is that you could see for yourself what it feels like to be scanned like a soulless robot. Thanks to that you could maybe get a wider image of what I'm talking about.

You are more than welcome to be just as paranoid as you like, the base reason on why I commented the first time was because you seemed angry and a bit put-off by the US and I'm sorry, but when going to another country, in my book, you don't bash it before visiting it.  I'm going to guess that you are going to have a horrible time because that is exactly what you think is going to happen.

First of all, I'm not angry at US. I'm angry at the system that is ruling this world. The poor stay poor, the rich get richer...You should hear me talk about my own country!!!  Twin pro catholic potatoes are the hugest absurdity of all time (Poland is now run by two twin brothers that look like potatoes (that's what the Germans call them)(they are so alike no one can tell which is which)one is the president the other is the premier)...Believe me THAT is a real circus

I don't hate America ( My trip was a lot of fun btw).  As I've said earlier I see the pluses and minuses of US because I lived there for almost 4 years. There are many good things and I'm upset by the fact that the "land of the free" is becoming a land of the "fearful" and a control freak. I do get upset when I see that people in this world instead of opening up and communicating through partnership and simple human to human approach, just make things worse by isolating themselves from the "bad" and unworthy world. I see that the control decisions are driven by fear foremostly. And what does fear shed? More fear. What does aggression shed? More aggression. Yes, what the terrorists are doing is very very wrong, but they are human too, and their acts are the only way the world can turn their heads in their direction.  In my opinion isolation and control are not the answers. I know that this is a very complicated situation...so maybe let's not get into that

I do get upset when people on spiritual forums see this planet as a nice place to live where everything can be glorified. Maybe I'm just too freakin' sensitive or paranoidal hippie...but for me there is no glorification to things that are going on Earth.Today when flying a couple thousand feet above the ground I reassured my opinions. From the way up high, Earth doesn't have boundaries or segregations. It's one living organism with little human beings roaming around. I believe there are no better or worse people. We are all one. We are all human. We have the same needs and longings. We cry the same tears and laugh the same way. We all have one heart and the unfortunate ability to forget about that.

No hard feelings Nay
I guess if we all had happy childhood no one would be paranoidal and touchy... how boring If not for my childhood I'd have nothing to do! So thankfully it was well messed up and now I have things to work on 
I'm running off to start a "fear" debate in this thread.

[Nay]

LOL!      Something on your mind Hannah? 

We can just agree to disagree, but it still sounds like conspiracy talk to me.   Rosie Odonell seems to be on a roll these days saying the Govt put bombs in the one of the towers and that those British hostages were part of a staged ploy to entice a war.  Oh well, I'm under the opinion our or anyone else's govt isn't that smart, but I could be wrong.

[Hannah b]

egh....just a simple thread that will encourage people to talk about their worst fears
Yeah...I'm totally into conspiracy in case no one has noticed...oh well...  ...shoot...why isn't this little guys eyeball moving?aww....

[Canicula]

Very interesting. I just arrived in St Maarten April 1st, to join a  38 ft boat across the Atlantic. Have not yet met the skipper but he will be arriving on the 15th. I found out he sunk his last boat down here and just bought this one and have not sailed it for a year as he led me to believe. The guy who does his charter also said he is not a very experienced sailor but a nice guy. The boat is not ready for a crossing no safety equipment inferior coastal radios and tattered jib. He plans on going due west into the trades against current and wind. Hmm

The Atlantic is very big and a scary place . A friend of mine crossed a few months ago and encountered 60 ft seas off the Azores.

Now I need to decide am I afraid or am I using my intuition. Fear is an interesting subject. A lot of fear is imaginary but some is definitely not. The ocean will be the ocean and I think it wise to fear it, for many have drowned in it. Any of you are praying folks or can send me some good energy it will be appreciated. I have a decision to make, based on...............well thats the question.

Regards Mustardseed

Hey Mustardseed,

i think what your doing is truly amazing! i will pray and send lots of positive energy

have a good one!!

[Mustardseed]

Hi Everybody
I just landed in the Azores after 1 month crossing the atlantic, it was a rough ride and taught me a lot about myself. We blew out our main sail, and lost our boom in the first tropical depression to hit the eastcoast. It was SCARY 4 days blown out of course with storm winds force 10.

However......the good news is that I made it and I am very happy about that. Look forward to sharing some interesting observations.

It was very interesting spiritual journey. I had heard that sailors that far out often hear voises and I DID. Crossing over what is called "The Atlantis Sea Mountains" a ridge south of the Azores, I had a constant audio of children playing laughing and people talking. It was too faint to understand very well only caught a few words here and there but it was Amazing.

Regards to you all

Mustardseed
Wanna post some pictures..........but forgot how to do it.....can anyone help me?

[Nay]

Ooooo.. I can't wait to see some pictures!  Use photobucket.com

That is a huge fear for me...being out in the middle of the ocean...alone.   You are very brave. 

[DH]

Welcome back Mustardseed!

I'm interested in hearing about your spiritual progress.  These risky endeavors are usually revealing.  I once did a hike through the Bolivian Andres mt. range that was a major spiritual development for me.

Glad you are back safe and sound.  We had intercessors praying for you.

DH