'Advanced' Civilizations

[Barnowl]

Forgive me if there is a topic on this already, but here goes...

After reading the, 'Seth Speaks' material, I heard about a civilization called, 'The Lumanians'

Check these out

http://www.infobarrel.com/Lumania__Civilization_before_the_Atlantis

-- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlv4rRFNfgM&feature=fvwrel --

Do you guys think that there have been similar spieces on this planet, that have, 'died' out?

What are your thoughts?

I certainly believe that we are not the only civilization that has roamed this planet. The pyramids (forgive the ignorance) in Egypt still havn't been fully explained to me for starters.

Do you think, once we do reach a level of less spiritual ignorance, they may come and help?

Just curious as to what you guys think?

[Volgerle]

That's a vaaast topic. 

I've been watching Ancient Aliens recently and it's amazing that there is so many hints to high civilisations before our 'official' history (regardless as to their being influenced by 'aliens' or not).

Yes, e.g. the Sphinx is way older (according to many geologists) than the Egyptian culture. The pyramids also may not have been built by them, at least not the Great one on the Gisa plateau.

Btw, the Lumanians are maybe connected to the myth of Lemuria (hence the name similarity). At least some think so.

[Lionheart]

 The Gobekli Tepe Pillars have been dated at over 12,000 years old. Kind of hard for man to have made them since modern science says Humanity has only been around for 6,000 years. But I guess that's like Pluto was once a planet and now it's not. We don't have the answers for everything, but we certainly do stay stubborn about our theories, lol.
 Linda Moulton Howe has spent the last couple of months at the ruins there. You can find out more on her website here. She is like a "pitbull" when she gets handed a story, one of the best journalists I have seen in a long time. http://www.earthfiles.com/

[Barnowl]

thanks guys for your replies, really appreciate it.

I'll certainly check the journalist out, she seems facinating.

I think it is a shame that (in my opinion) not many people create projects or reports on ancient civilizations. (I know some do, and they visit a country, do a report, a few videos, but in mainstream this subject normally goes under the radar)

I think we can learn a lot from ancient civilizations, what they did and so on, (although there may be a lot of guesswork involved, as the records may not go back that far)

thats my thoughts anyway...

[Szaxx]

Hi,
For some info have a read of,
C W Leadbeater's book The Astral Plane.
It's free in e-book format and contains some lines on this subject. Its 100+ years old and a good read.

[Barnowl]

thanks

really appreciate it

[zareste]

Yes, e.g. the Sphinx is way older (according to many geologists) than the Egyptian culture. The pyramids also may not have been built by them, at least not the Great one on the Gisa plateau.

I've been across one source saying the pyramids are hundreds of thousands of years old, and that may well be true. The people who have been assigning dates to the pyramids are giving the lowest possible age they can get away with. "The pyramids are at least 5,000 years old, therefore they are 5,000 years old."

A guy noticed the weathering on the Sphinx indicating it was at least 10,000 years old, and this discovery was hated by quite a few people. Never disproven, of course, just hated.

It's noted that there were several 'ages' of Egypt, under different rulers (mostly Sirians and Anunnaki members), suggesting that there was no single culture there, but several that moved in during different time periods. Maybe some of these cultures lived there several thousand years apart from each other. Also noted that some of the pyramids were built with a different style, and the Sphinx's face seems to have been changed at some point. When built, it was probably a dog of some kind (Anubis?) and later chiseled into a human face.

[Lionheart]

 The Egyptians themselves are the ones that dated the Pyramids. They won't let anyone else do any kind of research on them that will prove otherwise. They believe that they are the ones that built them. To go against this would totally destroy their entire cultural understandings. It would be like someone proving to a full fledged Catholic, that God does not exist. They can't ever have this happen and it's understandable.

[Szaxx]

Hi,
At present we all know the ancient Egyptians built the pyramids. Its one of the seven wonders of the world and Egypt knows this. Should some clever person come along and totally uproot this with every concievable fact of backed up information the wonder would have gone. They may find the pyramids are not Egyptian too also lowering their value.
Thats too negative IMHO. After all WE have santa, the tooth fairy....
Thats the wonderment, lest we destroy it.
Good for the Egyptians.

[Volgerle]

Good for the Egyptians.

But bad for Truth.   
We should always strive for truth. Science should do it, but it does not, nowadays it mostly strives for profit and poltical or societal manipulation.

I've been across one source saying the pyramids are hundreds of thousands of years old, and that may well be true. The people who have been assigning dates to the pyramids are giving the lowest possible age they can get away with. "The pyramids are at least 5,000 years old, therefore they are 5,000 years old."

No, these traditional orthodox egyptologist don't even to this. They are more straight. They want to assign the building of the pyramids to the times of certain pharaos, such as Kufu and Cheops. So they say it's a concrete time span around that time of this and that pharao, and not probably older. (Other less orthodox researchers say that these pharaos only changed and/or used the pyramids for themselves, which is highly likely, same applies to the Sphinx, see below).

A guy noticed the weathering on the Sphinx indicating it was at least 10,000 years old, and this discovery was hated by quite a few people. Never disproven, of course, just hated.

It's most probably Robert Schoch.

http://www.robertschoch.com/sphinxcontent.html
http://www.robertschoch.com/articles/schochnewdawnjune2009.pdf

Also noted that some of the pyramids were built with a different style, and the Sphinx's face seems to have been changed at some point. When built, it was probably a dog of some kind (Anubis?) and later chiseled into a human face.

Schoch also says it's been a lion.



This ties in with Duval's (controversal) astronomical theory because the Sphinx was at the time of its creation headed towards the Leo constellation. It was thus constructed around 10500 BC (instead of only 2500 or so, as "estimated" by orthodox egyptologists).

These guys from a university (Institute of Environmental Geochemistry, National Academy of Sciences of Ukraine) even date the Sphinx back to the Early Pleistocene:

http://mgu.bg/geoarchmin/naterials/64Manichev.pdf

The absolute mark of the upper large erosion hollow of the Sphinx corresponds to the level of water surface which took place in the Early Pleistocene. The Great Egyptian Sphinx had already stood on the Giza Plateau by that geological (historical) time.

So what's Early Pleistocene?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gelasian

2,5 mio - 1,8 mio years ago ?? Wow.

 

[Barnowl]

This is amazing...
and I totally agree with both Szaxx and Volgerle, that we do have Santa, and the toothfairy, and the egyptians have their pyramids (with other cultures having theres, of course)...

...which brings about a new debate between cultural myth/wonder and truth ...which is...

At what point (while we are on the subject) does cultural myth/wonder no longer is acceptable and truth (or the telling of it...) needs to take place?

And are we getting close to that point now? (or have we already past it with the current world issues?)

[zareste]

Schoch also says it's been a lion.

That's the more intuitive theory, and could be true, but the Sphinx's proportions are closer to that of a dog or jackal. (length of limbs and torso) Considering Anubis' influence, this would reasonable.

These guys from a university (Institute of Environmental Geochemistry, National Academy of Sciences of Ukraine) even date the Sphinx back to the Early Pleistocene

Oh my. At this point I'm not terribly surprised. We know there were humanoids living alongside the dinosaurs, and plenty of off-worlders visiting today and throughout our written history, but what happened during those millions of years in between? Nothing? Well it looks like the dates we've been handed about our ancient structures were minimized if not completely fraudulent. I'm sure a lot of other ancient structures are also hundreds of thousands - or millions - of years old.

I remember getting hints of this before. Some years ago I learned to go into a trance where I could see things psychically, similar to known remote viewers, and when I looked into Earth's past I kept seeing off-world civilizations dropping by, some showing up and settling in, some coming and going. A lot of them were human and looked just like us. This was all happening when the continents were different. Millions of years into the past.

Of course, telepathy is only as good as hear-say, but I took another look through ancient history - the stuff criminals told us is mythology - and noticed a lot of civilizations that resembled the ones I saw. The ancient, culturally developed people who often had interplanetary flight. Looking through more esoteric texts, I found that a lot of the 'gods' and 'angels' were actually existing people from these cultures. None of the original texts used the word 'god' or 'angel' - those are English words, never appearing in the actual ancient texts. These weren't gods and angels at all. Many were our own ancestors.

The Atlanteans and Lumerians were apparently just a few of the many similar cultures.

[Barnowl]

So does anyone else believe that E.T.'s may have helped with the pyramids, or that E.T.'s delibrately crashed in 1947 in Rosswell to help with the advancement of this planet? (Just seems funny that since then, the technology has advanced, big time...)

[Contenteo]

All technological advances since that alleged crash have highly traceable descriptive and logical progressions of their invention.
Only if you want to not do due diligence and entertain a more general, normative theory does that hypothesis hold any merit whatsoever.

Don't forget, this 'explosion' correlate with that of the radio, the most successful invention of the 21st century. It enabled a form of unified communication allowing large scale markets to be reached. Ensured large-scale market penetration allows privatized industries to take on more risk, and thus, more R&D projects. This is exactly what we saw happen.

Don't forget, we are a pretty 'advanced' civilization too.

Cheers,
Contenteo

[Lionheart]

 Finally an excellent Documentary orchestrated by the minds of Mathematicians, Stone Cutters, Stone Crafters and Archaeologists. This one is definitely a must see. Way too many "coincidences" to be found here. See what you think. I didn't even know China had Pyramids, but I heard recently that one might have been found near Nome Alaska.
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooy2LTJoMVM&feature=related It's 1:41:00 long so make yourself some popcorn and grab a comfortable seat.