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« on: November 15, 2007, 21:22:28 »

I've read through alot of websites on the 2012 subject....and nephilim???...Anunaki..Huh
Whats with all the rumors and what is gonna happen to us then if anyone knows....
Because if there is such a thing as anunaki, and if they do return to earth after the 5600 year cycle or something like that then whats gonna happen when they do?......enslavement?.....death?.....(wo)man working alongside them?....
Just what might be in store for us when the time comes around?....
Maybe nothing will happen and I'm just getting freaked out over nothing here.....but is it a possibility that these things will happen???....

Tell me what you think everyone....cuz i gotta know if my mind is playing tricks on me or if           (sorry for choice of words on that one) is gonna happen or not.....

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« Reply #1 on: November 16, 2007, 00:27:03 »

Your question; "are we all gonna die" is coming from a fear based thought in which you have absorbed into your thinking from other sources outside of yourself that is not of higher consciouness. This is normal, and you can count yourself in with the majority of the world populous. This is however, not natural for those who seek to evolve into the light, who seek to absorb truth from those who have higher consciousness.

For one, we do not "die", we pass. Death is a door opening, not closing. For two, every possible, conceivable event is happening right now, it is which thoughts receive the most energy that will be drawn to our experiential reality.

I've been faced with a lot of my friends "freaking out" lately because of this 2012 hype. Imagine how hard it is to explain to those who don't even know who they truly are, who don't understand their true reality, their true purpose, and take into consideration the many false impressions many believe from the great illusion, and you have an explanation that doesn't get heard. When you believe False Evidence Appearing Real, you create your reality in FEAR, thus you draw what you fear into your reality. If you continue the creation of your fear based reality, all that you fear will become manifest, and your experience will thus be what you do not desire, however this reality is of purpose because it draws you away from fear and into Love. One must know what he/she is not to know who he/she is.

Imagine this...

Either the world comes together and creates a harmonious expansion of our planetary consciousness to the next level of being by 2012, OR the world divides and scatters in fear of the world ending, or being invaded, or whatever leads to demise in 2012. These are just two of the most likely possible experiences we will face, the choice is ours.

For further insight, read my previous post on this subject:
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_2012_and_the_maya/2012_end_of_the_world_as_we_know_it-t24402.0.html;msg225070#new

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« Reply #2 on: November 16, 2007, 11:24:25 »

this is how the year 2012 will go down for you...

you wake up like you do every day, groggy as hell you stumble to the shower. bursh your teeth, shave...do all that nice stuff. you eat breakfast(or skip it like i did) and run off to school. you go to class come home, hang out with friends/go to work, eat, do home work and go to bed. next day repeat with events changeing.

December 31, 2012: sitting around the tv with family/friends possibly drunk off you butt...arm around that special lady(or guy, whatever your into thats cool) the clock hits 12:01 (or 00:01) and its January 01, 2013. you kiss that person say your gonna do something different this year. but no one ever does it...and everyone knows they wont, just don't say it...then you laugh at yourself for worrying about something idiotic as a giant stone circle stops telling time at the end of 2012.
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« Reply #3 on: November 16, 2007, 20:18:53 »

tksjm,

There are many theories on what will happen. The most certain thing in my mind is that something major WILL occur in 2012 resulting in some kind of conscious shift. I'm satisfied with that. Theories are merely entertainment.

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« Reply #4 on: November 16, 2007, 23:01:28 »

this is how the year 2012 will go down for you...

you wake up like you do every day, groggy as hell you stumble to the shower. bursh your teeth, shave...do all that nice stuff. you eat breakfast(or skip it like i did) and run off to school. you go to class come home, hang out with friends/go to work, eat, do home work and go to bed. next day repeat with events changeing.

What if tksjm's a girl?  LOL
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« Reply #5 on: November 17, 2007, 16:31:46 »

The one thing that I cannot not ignore about the Mayan Calendar is that It Ends at December 21, 2012.  It doesn't merely point to it.
This is the most accurate calendar that 'Man' knows of. (Planet Earth anyways)  It only needs to be slightly realigned every 380,000 years.

So when this calendar STOPS at 12-21-2012 then I am taking notice.  Further more the Mayans have more then one calendar by they way. This one I believe is one of their main calendars.
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« Reply #6 on: November 17, 2007, 18:33:52 »

In my opinion, more curiosity is raised about 2012 than any other 'end of the world' prophecy. The Mayans managed to calculate the day the planet would pass through the galactic plane without the use of a telescope. Terrence Mckenna's 'Timewave Zero' program was another eye opener for 2012. He managed to develop a mathematical representation of time.

I think the main problem anyone really encounters with 2012 is 'THE END OF THE WORLD!' It seems to dramatic. I'm more inclined to think that in some way our understanding of time will change at that point. Why other theories might be true, I don't think it's wise to preach the end of the world. It causes disorientation and chaos. 2012 is a time we want to approach with a little more understanding.

I've found with anything spiritual, the best way to get to someone is the way they will best understand. Not the way you think they should learn a spiritual truth or meditation techniques you think they should practice to obtain some inner revelation. I know there are a lot of enlightened people and for the most part, I understand and agree with what they say. However it's not the enlightened who need to understand what's being said. I am inclined to think that speaking like "You need to journey inward to realise who you are" etc is meaningless in some people's mind. The words only go to serve the speaker instead of who they are trying to teach! It's a really subtle form of arrogance.

Some people may approach 2012 and not believe it until it happens, in that case we can't force it upon them to believe. We shouldn't be doing that even if we had concrete proof, which we don't. We just have a more trusted prophecy. In which case spiritual lectures become a waste of time. No matter how 'enlightened' they are.

Point being, it takes someone of great spiritual accomplishment to be able speak from an enlightened perspective but even greater to realise that enlightenment is not a language everyone can speak. It is more appropriate to say something meaningful. Something that people can relate to and reflect themselves off. In that way we are brought together, rather than separated by our spiritual and intellectual differences. No one side is going this is THE WAY. We find a common ground. We are united. I feel that helps more heading toward 2012.

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« Reply #7 on: November 17, 2007, 21:56:49 »

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I am inclined to think that speaking like "You need to journey inward to realise who you are" etc is meaningless in some people's mind. The words only go to serve the speaker instead of who they are trying to teach! It's a really subtle form of arrogance.

An enlightened message is of no means "meaningless" to anyone's mind, although it may be meaningless through their filter, the words ring deep and the thoughts are produced nevertheless.

I see what you mean by "a subtle form of arrogance", but this is not the case. When you don't cater to everyone's personal filter of mind when communicating in a "universal" post for whomever comes across the words is more difficult (but more effective) to achieve meaningful results for any single person who heeds the message. What you are speaking of is how you personalize a message for one person to receive anything of value from the words for effect, which in the case is more difficult to achieve in a forum atmosphere unless a direct link is made of the two communicators of any particular subject for growth of mind. So in this respect, I agree with you that a more personal 1 on 1 interaction between two people with understanding of one another can be of more effect.

In an open discussion such as this forum however, there are many things the responder doesn't know about that person in particular, other than what they had given them as a post. So this is minimal personalized perception being shown. From a more enlightened perception, you can identify to that filter being shown and give a message that leads to the root of the problem, but if you cater to that filter, you will only be leading them to the symptom, so how will that mind be able to expand past the limitations of the filter if the message does not hold something beyond the limitations of ones mind and dare them to break into new thought. You can do this at any level, and for those who choose to raise the bar, it is for a purpose for those who seek to understand and climb up the bar of understanding knowledge through thought and application. For those who choose not to raise the bar, they are accepting that they are fine with being corrected by the laws and will eventually learn through experience.

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Point being, it takes someone of great spiritual accomplishment to be able speak from an enlightened perspective but even greater to realise that enlightenment is not a language everyone can speak. It is more appropriate to say something meaningful.

The language everyone can speak IS from an enlightened perspective, they just don't know it yet. The point of this is so that a person with limited perspective can see these words and be challenged by them. That is the way for movement to be enacted at a much greater pace through the levels of creation. If the person reads over these words, gets confused and squanders an opportunity for growth through the challenge of understanding, than this is the folly of that individual, and no matter how much catering to one's filter can do, he/she will never be challenged 'enough' to go well beyond the limitations and have any kind of 'meaningful' growth that will make any significance in a single lifetime.

The meaningfulness in having an enlightened message that comes across anyones path, no matter how thick the filter, is to give those in the world a message that will challenge their limitations and dare them to apply their own understanding into further growth. If you keep catering to the filter, the limitations will never be challenged beyond the initial problem one faces at hand. The problem is, after solving one problem, another appears and the catering cycle continues. This is the "snails pace" for growth, and if anyone has any hope for a better future, per say 2012 for example, we would need to find the root of the problem(s) and heed the message that directs you to the root of the problem instead of using the western medical philosophy of catering to the symptoms of the problem.

If only one person heeds the message and applies any concept for growth, than the message is of purpose. It however effects more than one person, in fact it effects everyone who comes across it, just in varying levels. The point here is to ask why we keep limiting ourselves in our evolution and to know when to cater to the symptoms of the problem and when to go beyond the catering.

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No one side is going this is THE WAY. We find a common ground. We are united. I feel that helps more heading toward 2012.

No one side perhaps, however one individual can be THE WAY, for example Jesus showed THE WAY. The way Jesus taught to those with limited understanding was in parables, however he taught directly to those who could understand (The 12 Disciples). This is the difference of a message that caters to the masses, to the message that challenges the individuals. No one way is the wrong way, it is all beneficial. However, one way happens to help those who wish it, an opportunity to grow much faster, and the latter way is for those who are bound by the laws to grow at a snails pace. Again, there is no wrong way and both are of good means, they just happen to be meaningful at varying levels, and so you can say that to those who are challenged, this message is of great meaning, and to those who aren't challenged, it at least gives them the opportunity to be challenged, so that they can know when they are challenged and ponder the thought that keeps them bound to their own limitations.

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« Reply #8 on: November 18, 2007, 08:58:33 »

Anytime we try to learn something from another individual it's growth at a 'snails pace'. The whole idea is to try and get the individual to self-reflect. Any words, no matter how enlightened, are limited to the meaning those words possess. It's the individual that takes them further - "The wise man learns more from the fool than the fool from the wise man."

I'm not saying there is NO place for wise sayings or that they are themselves entirely without meaning. Nor am I questioning their expansion capabilities or trying to define their purpose. What I'm saying is the timings often off. "The smallest journey starts with a single step" and I believe that often many are trying to teach from step 2 or higher.

I'm not proposing a theory that attempts to slow down the growing process of man, restricting people to certain boundaries. It is in fact the opposite. I'm talking about the ingition of the engine.

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« Reply #9 on: November 18, 2007, 19:23:40 »

I concur with everything you say, although it seems to me that you didn't see deep enough into my message according to how you responded, which is evidence of the point in which you are trying to make. To get a better understanding of why you have been invoked to respond to my messages, I am asking a series of questions for you to help others understand what it is you are trying to convey in correlation with what was written in my messages.

I ask, what is it that invoked you to respond to my message with the insight you have given?

You say 'many' start out at step 2, are you implying this is what I am doing?

Where is it that you don't see step one in relation to any reply given, and what is it that you mean by starting the engine?

I ask for others as well as for clarification in your replies to me. It seems to me what you are presenting to me is a dichotomy, which is something I already understand, but I would appreciate your input on this so that others may see, and perhaps you can expand on the dichotomy of your replies in relation to my messages.

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« Reply #10 on: November 19, 2007, 02:06:55 »

I am asking a series of questions for you to help others understand what it is you are trying to convey in correlation with what was written in my messages.

Thanks for the map laid out so me and other people can undertsand each other. Where would we be without you? That's the arrogance I'm talking about. That's the exact thing that turns people off. The attitude 'I know more than you'. That's my point.

The way anyone becomes 'enlightened' is through introspection. Self-reflection. What I'm saying is sometimes spiritual language is not the best way to start someone on that journey. ('Starting the engine'). Sometimes it doesn't dare people to grow, it scares them away from growth. At present, I don't see it as the best way to convey 'our' message to the everyday person.

You say 'many' start out at step 2, are you implying this is what I am doing?

No. We're speaking in an 'open forum'. This is an idea being presented to everyone. It was an idea that I raised because of a recent thread on not being able to talk to loved ones about spiritual issues. It came to mind during my post so I just let it run. I was actually looking at branching it into language but I might start another thread on that.

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« Reply #11 on: November 19, 2007, 04:34:44 »

Sounds good  smiley +1 Karma  smiley

Perhaps my style is leaning a bit towards the spiritual...thank you for your sincerity. I see you have been in these forums much longer and know the atmosphere, so I will gratefully accept your wisdom on this subject and see how I can apply it within.

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« Reply #12 on: November 19, 2007, 05:05:39 »

I wouldn't worry about your 'style' of writing. I'm sure we're always looking for something different around here. Neither would I worry about applying what I am saying to yourself if you don't feel it necessary, you seem to have your own spiritual development under control IMO.

I was merely remarking upon the content lost in communication through speaking two different languages. I'm wondering how rationalists and spiritualists can communicate if they both disagree with how each other speaks. Perhaps it's not best to get linguistically tangled in either side.

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« Reply #13 on: November 19, 2007, 17:08:05 »

I understand enlightenment as being a realization about the experience of reality - it's not spiritual or mystical, it's REAL. In this sense, 2012 doesn't matter at all. What is important is each individuals realization of their own CURRENT reality, not the implied coming reality. If something in 2012 is really going down, it's the people who understand their current reality that will be prepared, whether they know it's coming or not.
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« Reply #14 on: November 19, 2007, 17:19:55 »

Stookie - that was profound!   smiley

I particularly like your view of enlightenment not being spiritual - that really appeals to me. 

I'm finding over the years that spirituality is akin to a religion - if you're not doing this, that or the other, then you're not truly spiritual.  If you're not meditating once a day, and in a certain way, then you can't be classed as spiritual.  If you're not saving baby animals from being eaten by other animals, then you're not REALLY spiritual.  If you're not following the latest "guru", then you're a philistine.  If you don't go along with such-and-such's latest book, then you are DOOMED!!!

That attitude is a load of old rubbish in my opinion.

It's about knowing yourself, imo, and living your life to the best you see fit.  Enlightenment is just another of those unattainable words - something that is always just out of reach.  I reckon it doesn't even exist - we are always on a learning path and even if others see you as "The High and Mighty Stookie", you still know that you have lots to learn!  smiley

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« Reply #15 on: November 19, 2007, 17:22:33 »

Quote from: tksjm
Are we all gonna die in 2012?

Yes.  Slowly and horribly.





















Sorry... couldn't resist!  evil

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« Reply #16 on: November 19, 2007, 21:07:16 »

I was merely remarking upon the content lost in communication through speaking two different languages. I'm wondering how rationalists and spiritualists can communicate if they both disagree with how each other speaks. Perhaps it's not best to get linguistically tangled in either side.

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Yes, which is what I was speaking about with the dichotomy of the situation at hand, being that two are in the same but different.

I understand enlightenment as being a realization about the experience of reality - it's not spiritual or mystical, it's REAL. In this sense, 2012 doesn't matter at all. What is important is each individuals realization of their own CURRENT reality, not the implied coming reality. If something in 2012 is really going down, it's the people who understand their current reality that will be prepared, whether they know it's coming or not.

Well said Stookie  wink

It's about knowing yourself, imo, and living your life to the best you see fit.  Enlightenment is just another of those unattainable words - something that is always just out of reach.  I reckon it doesn't even exist - we are always on a learning path and even if others see you as "The High and Mighty Stookie", you still know that you have lots to learn!  smiley

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Yes, and I hope I didn't come off as a 'know it all' in a sense, I know that those who claim to have all the answers have only proven they have yet to ask all the questions. I'll be the first to admit I haven't got all my ducks in a row.

Oh, and that last post Sarah, you had my ROFL!  cheesy cheesy cheesy

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« Reply #17 on: November 27, 2007, 08:19:14 »

Stookie - that was profound!   smiley

I particularly like your view of enlightenment not being spiritual - that really appeals to me. 

I'm finding over the years that spirituality is akin to a religion - if you're not doing this, that or the other, then you're not truly spiritual.  If you're not meditating once a day, and in a certain way, then you can't be classed as spiritual.  If you're not saving baby animals from being eaten by other animals, then you're not REALLY spiritual.  If you're not following the latest "guru", then you're a philistine.  If you don't go along with such-and-such's latest book, then you are DOOMED!!!

That attitude is a load of old rubbish in my opinion.

It's about knowing yourself, imo, and living your life to the best you see fit.  Enlightenment is just another of those unattainable words - something that is always just out of reach.  I reckon it doesn't even exist - we are always on a learning path and even if others see you as "The High and Mighty Stookie", you still know that you have lots to learn!  smiley

Sarah

What you describe is just what the western way of thinking made out of enlightenment. Ask a Buddhist and he will tell you that you can become enlightened. Meditation is just helping you achieve it but not necessary.
What stookie said about reality is normally unnoticed by people, meditation helps because you get to know your mind and how to control it.
It never says that you have to meditate to become enlightened, but not doing it will make it difficult. If you think about reality and stuff your already meditating in a sense....

For example the topic creator would need it.... he just lives in fear. If he would stop for a moment and realize that worrying about or fearing 2012 is completely redundant and preparing for it is equally redundant (why worry about something which is unchangeable? how to prepare for something that is unknown?).

Here is the only thing you can do: Prepare for Death by trying to become enlightened in this life time
Death is certain at one point (doesn't mean its at 2012) or another and one of the most important times in our life......
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« Reply #18 on: November 27, 2007, 10:01:05 »

I understand enlightenment as being a realization about the experience of reality - it's not spiritual or mystical, it's REAL. In this sense, 2012 doesn't matter at all. What is important is each individuals realization of their own CURRENT reality, not the implied coming reality. If something in 2012 is really going down, it's the people who understand their current reality that will be prepared, whether they know it's coming or not.

Well said.

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« Reply #19 on: November 27, 2007, 13:14:52 »

if i still pop around here in 4 years and one month...i call dibs on the "HAHA I TOLD YOU SO" post
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« Reply #20 on: December 10, 2007, 23:40:37 »

Anunaki, 2012, yaddayadda = bullshits
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« Reply #21 on: January 19, 2008, 12:29:32 »

One of my guides decided to tell me when i was going to leave this world..wasnt sure if i wanted to know, but he seemed to think it usefull!

Anyway, if every ones going to die then illl be left on my own lol...and hes normally right.

So what im trying to say in a light hearted way ill bet every pound in my bank account that we are NOT all going to die in 2012!!!

Who cares if we do anyway, we can all disscus what happend in the next place of bieng, c ya there  grin
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« Reply #22 on: January 19, 2008, 14:14:27 »

I've been given my death date too and I'm gonna survive 2012 - so at least two of us will be partying on new year's eve, 2012.  grin

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« Reply #23 on: March 06, 2008, 01:04:39 »

Hi,
There sure is a lot of hype about this subject. And there seems to be two opposing views; the world goes through massive upheavals, or, we evolve into higher awareness.

Let's try a balanced perspective on this time-frame, why can't the reality be both are occurring at the same time? The earth goes through her natural cycles and changes all the time because the only constant in this universe is everything changes. We slowly and steadily re-awaken to our own higher awareness in this cycle for the same reason.

If we move away from the perception of doom and gloom, end of the world ideas, then we can get a clearer perspective. Our sun will reach the Galactic central plane on 21, December 2011 according to the latest figures, and historically we know this is a period of major change due to the forces involved. But, the world will not end, it will just finalize the stage of accelerated growth. In a physical sense this earth will still be here in about 5 billion years when our sun expands and devours it.

Now we massive and powerful souls are incarnate here again, for this very time-frame. That's right, you chose to be here now! You probably chose to be here the last time earth went through this phase.

What is on offer in this time-frame is that we are approaching an important crossroads where what we choose is more important than at any other time in human history. What follows from the changes is up to us, so it is a wonderful opportunity to co-create a balanced society based on true equality.

I like to say that nothing is born into this world without birth-pains. The old must die away as a natural evolution of all the choices made in that time. So while I do think physical changes will be occurring to various degrees, I see it as a great thing, wiping away the horrendous way we humans live on this lovely little world and therefore preparing the way for the new.

Hold no fear about the future. Everything is exactly as it should be for now. The worst you might experience is the release from your current physical body. Even then you will 'awaken' out of the dream of incarnation cycles into the reality of knowing your higher existence. Those who stay embodied have the same opportunity to awaken in the physical, which is what we all are working towards; remembering what we are and why we chose this.

The Annunaki are supposed to return at the end of the 3,600 year cycle of Nibiru (Marduk, 12th planet, etc) but until it happens we can only speculate. It is interesting that they traditionally return to the region that the U.S. is trying to control in the middle east. They are the ones who created our physical form, but, we are advanced beyond the level they think we should be by now because of their process of accelerating our natural evolution. They are not to be feared, even if they do not have our best interests at heart. They are only another race, and as such they are also equal souls to us.

Basically, the best advice is to live today to the best of your ability. By all means give some thought to the future but do not live it in your mind before you reach it in your body. Life is NOW, it is all you have. So have no fear about what comes next.

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« Reply #24 on: April 08, 2008, 12:12:04 »

well if we do die then GB just wasted a hell of alot of money on 2012 olympics lol
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