how to save the world

[CFTraveler]

Frankly L, that's what I'm afraid of.  I think we're being conditioned by fearmongers into making something happen, and that scares the hell out of me.

[zareste]

I've asked the question in other forums, and it never fails - everyone gets pretty defensive. Not toward the problem but toward me, and at this point it's just funny to watch. My intention is to give everyone what they want as individuals, so if someone wants death then I'm not going to go out of my way to give them life. That would be malevolent.

So I'd like to discriminate who wants death and who wants life before I put any plans into action. That's why I ask these questions. I have to know what is desired.

I've thought about the planet's problems for years, day and night, tackling them from cultural, biological, and psychological perspectives. It's just something I like to do. I've made telepathic contacts and observed how other cultures have destroyed themselves from planet to planet. It's nothing new here. There's a pattern of cultural death in our galaxy and I would like to find out what's wrong with the life systems.

As for the people in this forum: You're experiencing a conflict in the human problem-solving mechanism. You should see the world's problems and concentrate on solving them, but you don't. The thought of death causes your emotional side to go wild and demand complete control of your mind, paralyzing you with fear, making you irrational. So you've learned to stop thinking about things that scare you, and you get mad at anyone who mentions these things, which makes you a source of uncontrolled malevolence.

The solution is to let your emotions drive your intellect. When you feel threatened, think about the problem and try to understand it more deeply until you start to feel better and more confident. The fear will wear off, and when it shows up again, think about the problem more deeply. Eventually you'll understand it well enough to control it, and won't have to tell yourself to think positive. You don't have to make yourself disposable.

[Stillwater]

Frankly L, that's what I'm afraid of.  I think we're being conditioned by fearmongers into making something happen, and that scares the hell out of me.

I don't know.... I don't think people can be scared into engendering something of the magnitude that the 2012 crowd speaks of.... but perhaps people will actually take fear-induced action in response to their apprehensions, as they did before y2k, and that truly would be unfortunate.

I think the way to approach things like this is simply to say, "I am going to live my life in the way that makes others and myself most happy, and try to bring love where possible. If this end of the world scenario is true, I will deal with it when it happens- until then, just live my life as always"


Stillwater

[Stookie]

I've asked the question in other forums, and it never fails - everyone gets pretty defensive. Not toward the problem but toward me, and at this point it's just funny to watch. My intention is to give everyone what they want as individuals, so if someone wants death then I'm not going to go out of my way to give them life. That would be malevolent.

So I'd like to discriminate who wants death and who wants life before I put any plans into action. That's why I ask these questions. I have to know what is desired.

I've thought about the planet's problems for years, day and night, tackling them from cultural, biological, and psychological perspectives. It's just something I like to do. I've made telepathic contacts and observed how other cultures have destroyed themselves from planet to planet. It's nothing new here. There's a pattern of cultural death in our galaxy and I would like to find out what's wrong with the life systems.

As for the people in this forum: You're experiencing a conflict in the human problem-solving mechanism. You should see the world's problems and concentrate on solving them, but you don't. The thought of death causes your emotional side to go wild and demand complete control of your mind, paralyzing you with fear, making you irrational. So you've learned to stop thinking about things that scare you, and you get mad at anyone who mentions these things, which makes you a source of uncontrolled malevolence.

The solution is to let your emotions drive your intellect. When you feel threatened, think about the problem and try to understand it more deeply until you start to feel better and more confident. The fear will wear off, and when it shows up again, think about the problem more deeply. Eventually you'll understand it well enough to control it, and won't have to tell yourself to think positive. You don't have to make yourself disposable.

What are your plans? You haven't suggested anything yet.

[kurai kokoro]

yeah and besides emotion is not entierly nessecary, fear doesn't ensure your survival it only causes further agony thats why I said "fear is the shadow" it's because it's true, and besides you might be misinterpeting what you are seeing it could be that the truth you see is the illusion and the illusion is the truth you seek. instead of looking for the problemes that may or maynot be the supposed cause of human destruction look no further then yourself, we humans fear what we don't understand and that which we fear we destroy, to elliminate this you must elliminate our fear.

btw what where these other human's tech level at, was it modern?

btw I was right about the world war america is trying now to goto war with china and russia, as I've predicted.

[zareste]

Many people aspire to "be at peace while the world is in turmoil" because they caused that turmoil and would rather not live with it.  Well, too bad.  What I intend to do is not save anyone from the fate they created for themselves (nobody is going to do that, so just continue trying to feel positive) but find the people who are capable of change, so we can inherit a better future over the ashes of the people who brought death.

[kurai kokoro]

okay this is the last time, the world isn't going to end, okay, the world is just going to go through changes and besides if many people do die, then it is only the beginning, death brings more life through ash, the world isn't going to end for the last time.

[zareste]

Was there even one person who said the world is going to end? Or are you trying to reassure yourself again

[Stookie]

Many people aspire to "be at peace while the world is in turmoil" because they caused that turmoil and would rather not live with it.  Well, too bad.  What I intend to do is not save anyone from the fate they created for themselves (nobody is going to do that, so just continue trying to feel positive) but find the people who are capable of change, so we can inherit a better future over the ashes of the people who brought death.

Why is it that a person who experiences peace in their life not also able to experience compassion and empathy and have the desire to help others and better humanity? Don't you think a person can change the world without a constantly bleeding heart? Those who find peace during turmoil have most likely experienced a lot of pain in their lives.

I don't think there's anyone out there who lives in complete happiness while ignorantly avoiding the problems around them. It's not like there are communes or forests the average joe can escape to. It just doesn't seem feasible.

[zareste]

A person who 'can' change the world, would, regardless of what their emotions are. But if somebody finds the current turmoil to be peaceful, they're not going to change anything. Why would they? Their urge would be to create more turmoil so they can have more peace.

[Stookie]

Yes, that person is deluded and needs to get their perspective straightened. I don't see how the world's turmoil could be considered "peaceful" or what kind of person would think that. Like a Saddam type maybe?

[zareste]

Ah, so we were saying the same thing. What a relief.

[recoverer]

Going by the spirit messages I've received, if a minimal number of people get to the point where they can live according to love completely, the World will change for the better. This is because the love they radiate will spark other people to radiate love, and those people will spark other people to radiate love, and so on and so on. When people radiate positive energy, they stop radiating negative energy.  On the action level, they start acting in a positive way rather than a negative way and influence other people accordingly.  It'll become easier for people to contact and live according to their higher self.  The supposed separation between higher realms of being than this World will become less distinct, because the vibratory rate of this World will increase, and perhaps something like portals will be created where love energy can be channeled to this World.

It is good to worry about the World if it inspires you to make the changes you need to make in order to make a positive contribution; but if you wallow in worry, you end up sharing negative energy rather than positive energy and you don't help make things better. On a related note, if you don't like what a World leader is doing don't have negative thoughts and feelings about this leader because you'll end up sending he or she negative energy rather than positive energy.

I don't know what's going to happen with 2012 or friendly aliens coming to this World, but I believe it is a mistake to place so much hope on such events, that we forget to do what "we" need to do to make this World a better place.

Recently I received a message stating: "Perhaps they (aliens?) can help us clean the environment, but it is up to us to take care of the rest.

Whatever the case, I'm happy to see that people care.

[zareste]

A lot of humanoids are a part of the problem and equally a threat to deal with. Many of them have destroyed their own planets through their own wars and pollution, leaving those planets in a condition similar to Mars right now. Now these conflicts have carried over to this planet, and Earth's problems will not be solved if humanity is scapegoated.

Secondly, we have people who love death, love torment, and love the people who cause it. They cannot coexist with people who love order.

[kurai kokoro]

you know the one thing I've noticed in the bible is tho peace may exist hatred and sorrow would also exist don't you see it's the stars and planets that determin who we are, that is also how life is created the stars are in a certain position when forming and feed on each others radiation , however what ever particles are not used form what would become planets and moons, eventually when the stars separate they get bigger and some planets like gas giants form and returns radiation to the sun and feeds off of that; gets bigger: forms more planets which if destroyed become asteroids, you'll note when they announced an asteroid the size of a dwarf planet, it was destroyed by an asteroid and was once a planet similar to earth the earth will be next if no one learns to live together, the nuclear bomb is what is changing our trajectory towards the asteroid belt, every presice location there has been a nuke explosion was chosen for a reason, because they moved us in a certain part of our orbit in world war II occurred it was cooler then it is today and after a few more years it ((could)) get hotter.

[Everlasting]

The Earth don't need to be saved, when it gets to bad she will just shake us off her back.

[Xanth]

The Earth don't need to be saved, when it gets to bad she will just shake us off her back.

That's probably closer to the truth than any government wants us to know.  LoL

[kurai kokoro]

I never said the earth needed saving i was mearly applying that something big may yet happin. (besides my emotions are starting to get in the way again.)

[Astralaina]

My opinion is, to save to world, we need to wake up.
Read this, all of it: http://www.illuminati-news.com/moriah.htm#1

What do I think of the entire 2012 discussion?
I don't think the earth will be destroyed, I expect 2 things to happen. The first scenerio that could happen, the worst case, is the illuminati succeeding in their plans to control the whole world. The second, is the one I hope will happen. Everyone finally opens their eyes to see the truth about the "government"! Then finally, we can truly be free.

[Xanth]

Let's just put it this way...

Humanity will live on.
Humanity will *ALWAYS* live on.
It doesn't matter what happens in 2012, in one form or another... we'll always be here. 

[loppoppy]

i'm drunk, it's late, and i've just read this thread.

Zareste,  bless your cotton socks. "Who wants to live? who wants to die? i shall grant your wishes. It is I who will give individuals what they want, be it life or DEATH! DEATH DEATH DEATH, I FORSEEE DEAAAAAAAAAAAATH. Me Me Me. I have a plan, but i won't tell you what it is  . if you have enough time to be thinking about peace and love your not thinking enough about the inevitable DOOM, DEATH, DESTRUCTION, PAIN because you are all afraid of it and blah blah blah more random assumptions about people i don't know etc etc. They are YOUR nuclear warheads and YOUR destruction!! I won't include myself in all of this because i have a supremely large ego which can not fit inside my head alongside my delusions of grandeur, loosely based assumptions and obsession with the horrors OF DOOM. People aspire to peace because they can not live with the turmoil they created, yes! this is true because i just said so! i am on a mission to find those who are capable of change and will build a new world upon the ashes of those who brought death!! raaaaaaaaaaar!"

haha honestly, does this guy know what he's on? who does he think he is? mmm
I understand that a number of people have tried to chill this fellah out with very intellectual, well balanced, logical and appropriately detached views, only to have them thrown back in their face with comments like "watch happily as the napalm eats off your skin".....honestly...what a douche. It's like this fool is blind to all the light in this world, and is immersed only in the darkness, quite annoying really. Sure he may mean well, but he couldn't be going about it in a darker way even if he tried, that's not helping anyone..and it's very rude .

I might get a few of my hard earned karma points whittled away due to my lack of intelligent or respectable reply, but at this point i'm not too fussed. The rest of you are far too decent and respectable to mock and ridicule a mans standpoint, no matter how stupid it is, but i'm not  This morning marks the morning i found the most dense and foolhardy of them all. From start to finish, he totally misunderstood what was being said to him, added insult to injury and continued to annoy and unimpress until people replying just gave up and said "OK" (a direct quote from Awakened_Mind  ) so OK Z, OK

[Slix]

Secondly, we have people who love death, love torment, and love the people who cause it. They cannot coexist with people who love order.

Agreed, however how would one go about removing such a cancerous attitude from society without giving these people exactly what they're looking for or even worse, inadvertently moving peoples personalities towards such a state? If you were to exact justice or retribution upon a gang member (through imprisonment or otherwise) surely his cohorts and any close friends would respond to it through more death, torment, deception or negative thoughts that could eventually lead to such acts?

This 'disorder' attitude cannot be eliminated through actions that you would associate with disorder, they would only serve to create or enhance this negative attitude, disorder only creates more disorder. I imagine it would be almost impossible to turn someone from such a negative attitude through acts that would be considered belonging to that of order, most would shun it and laugh, or ignore it completely, but it at least has a chance. Thermodynamically, particles in the universe move towards a state of greater entropy (more disorder), and it usually takes a great deal of energy to move these particles towards a more ordered state, it's quite probable that these attitudes are manipulated the same way.

I guess the thing thats holding most people who love order back from acting as such is possible fear of being ridiculed or pressured by people who love disorder. I imagine some high tensions between some countries with bad pasts (not mentioning any countries in specific of course... *cough* US *cough* Russia *cough*) could easily be laid to rest if only their repective leaders had the guts to trust each other. But alas, with a world with an unknown percentile of these negative people in the populous i suppose you cant really expect anyone to trust anyone else without 'really' getting to know them first... ...pity.

the truth of it is, it's highly unlikely that we'll ever rid the world of these negative people, we can only hope to calm them and attempt to persuade younger generations to be in favour of order.

you want to know how to save the world? so do i. 

you think you know how to save the world? i hope you've had a good, long, and hard think about it.


*grabs fingers and screams in pain*

[CFTraveler]

I might get a few of my hard earned karma points whittled away due to my lack of intelligent or respectable reply,

I gave you one.  It made me smile.

[loppoppy]

i'm glad to have brought amusement and happiness

and my apologies to zareste for the nature of my opinion sharing. I hope you do not take TOO much offence.

[kurai kokoro]

you all do realize that chaos was here before order? at least in the physical world and besides if i was to choose weather or not chaos exists i would choose to let chaos exist, that way there would be order fore with out chaos there is no order, because with out one or the other there isn't free will, and i'd rather die then not be alowed the freedom to choose.