REUTERS : Mexican government will release Mayan secrets on "2012"

[Stookie_]

Good find Volgerle

[vagusnerves]

no...
http://www.travelweekly.com/Mexico-Travel/Insights/In-2012,--Mayan-World--program-begins/
 

Good. The next thing is to determine if the CONTENTS of the Mayan 2012 secrets are true, genuine, false, etc.

Even something that is true or genuine can be used for commercial reasons, without being less true or genuine in the process.

[CFTraveler]

Something about the comet the correspondence is based on:
http://www.universetoday.com/87619/worried-about-comet-elenin-faqs-from-ian-musgrave/

[Volgerle]

Good. The next thing is to determine if the CONTENTS of the Mayan 2012 secrets are true, genuine, false, etc.

But we might never know if these are "contents" of Mayan "secrets" at all, as they might be made up by the governments 'spin docs'- well, at least we won't before 21 Dec 12.  

I'm asking myself: if the Mayans know this stuff from their mythology or whatever, why would a Mexican government now guard these secrets? They are NOT the Mayans. Or why would they determine if and when to publish it? And why only now, doesn't this (planned) moment of publishing makes it even more suspicious now?

Btw, I 've heard and read quite often that many of the supposed descendants (currently estimated at 7 million scattered across Meso-America) as well as scholars and Maya experts ("Mayanists") said that there is nothing special (means: no known related prophesy) about this date (which is just the end of a calendar cycle - not more).

"Indeed, current debate about 21 December 2012 results from contemporary confusion from projections, assumptions, and
misunderstanding about the science and beliefs of several ancient cultures of the Americas."
- M. Van Stone (Maya scholar, Foundation for the Advancement of Mesoamerican Studies)
http://www.famsi.org/research/vanstone/2012/2012Part1.pdf

[Xanth]

And anyway, as CFTraveler said, the Mayan Elders have kind of already "spilled the beans", sort-to-speak.  There are no "secrets" to be told.

[CFTraveler]

But we might never know if these are "contents" of Mayan "secrets" at all, as they might be made up by the governments 'spin docs'- well, at least we won't before 21 Dec 12.  

I'm asking myself: if the Mayans know this stuff from their mythology or whatever, why would a Mexican government now guard these secrets? They are NOT the Mayans. Or why would they determine if and when to publish it? And why only now, doesn't this (planned) moment of publishing makes it even more suspicious now?

Btw, I 've heard and read quite often that many of the supposed descendants (currently estimated at 7 million scattered across Meso-America) as well as scholars and Maya experts ("Mayanists") said that there is nothing special (means: no known related prophesy) about this date (which is just the end of a calendar cycle - not more).

"Indeed, current debate about 21 December 2012 results from contemporary confusion from projections, assumptions, and
misunderstanding about the science and beliefs of several ancient cultures of the Americas."
- M. Van Stone (Maya scholar, Foundation for the Advancement of Mesoamerican Studies)
http://www.famsi.org/research/vanstone/2012/2012Part1.pdf

 This is correct- the connection to 'endtimes' had to do with the person who wrote about them, a Mayan man who lived on a monastery and schooled in eschatologic prediction.  He lived with Christian monks and had dreams about the Apocalypse.  So it's not that two different cultures had the same belief, it's that one culture imposed it's belief system on the other and then told everyone about it.

[vagusnerves]

But we might never know if these are "contents" of Mayan "secrets" at all, as they might be made up by the governments 'spin docs'- well, at least we won't before 21 Dec 12.  

I'm asking myself: if the Mayans know this stuff from their mythology or whatever, why would a Mexican government now guard these secrets? They are NOT the Mayans. Or why would they determine if and when to publish it? And why only now, doesn't this (planned) moment of publishing makes it even more suspicious now?

Btw, I 've heard and read quite often that many of the supposed descendants (currently estimated at 7 million scattered across Meso-America) as well as scholars and Maya experts ("Mayanists") said that there is nothing special (means: no known related prophesy) about this date (which is just the end of a calendar cycle - not more).

"Indeed, current debate about 21 December 2012 results from contemporary confusion from projections, assumptions, and
misunderstanding about the science and beliefs of several ancient cultures of the Americas."
- M. Van Stone (Maya scholar, Foundation for the Advancement of Mesoamerican Studies)
http://www.famsi.org/research/vanstone/2012/2012Part1.pdf

And anyway, as CFTraveler said, the Mayan Elders have kind of already "spilled the beans", sort-to-speak.  There are no "secrets" to be told.

 This is correct- the connection to 'endtimes' had to do with the person who wrote about them, a Mayan man who lived on a monastery and schooled in eschatologic prediction.  He lived with Christian monks and had dreams about the Apocalypse.  So it's not that two different cultures had the same belief, it's that one culture imposed it's belief system on the other and then told everyone about it.

PART    1 :

In the first place, experts, researchers , etc, are neither infallible nor impeccable.

Consider the following :

Corruption of Science: Fraud and Errors in Scientific Studies Skyrocket  

http://www.sott.net/articles/show/233364-Corruption-of-Science-Fraud-and-Errors-in-Scientific-Studies-Skyrocket


PART   2 :

The Straw Man Fallacy :

A straw man is a component of an argument and is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position. To "attack a straw man" is to create the illusion of having refuted a proposition by replacing it with a superficially similar yet unequivalent proposition (the "straw man"), and refuting it, without ever having actually refuted the original position

Stage 1 :

The Mayans believed that the end of one great cycle of  13 Baktun (5125.26 years) is marked with catastrophes/cataclysms, and a NEW great cycle starts after that. The world does NOT end, and it continues into a new cycle. Before the joy of motherhood is the pain of childbirth.

Don Alejandro (“Wondering  Wolf”) said (EXTRACTS) :

Our books are the Mayan Codices. For us, this is our writing. The hand is a book. We have 5000 codices. We study these.

The Harmonic Convergence began the Twelve Baktun, Thirteen Bahaou and will end in 2012 or 2013 by your calendar. This will end the fourth period of the sun by our calendar. There will be huge problems. Catastrophes and cataclysms will befall us. So I have been asked to speak to you and all over the world, of these prophesies and other elders, too.

Mayan astrologers know a lot but do not say everything.

During 2012-2013 there will be a great comet and a red comet. We are all creatures of the earth, but in space there are others. Comets might fall elsewhere.

EXTRACTED from :

http://awakening-minds.com/2011/08/mayan-elder-speaks-of-prophecy/

Stage 2 :

Christians project their beliefs onto such things and talk about "the end of the world" in relation to their beliefs of the Apocalypse.

Stage 3 :

Straw Man Fallacy : The belief in ANY form of catastrophe / cataclysm in relation to the end of one great cycle of the Mayan calender is condemned as if it MUST  be a foreign Christian Apocalyptic element introduced into the Mayan beliefs about the end of a cycle.

ADDITIONALLY, the 2 extremes :

On one hand : there are GULLIBLE pople who will totally believe in any nonsense proposed, claimed, etc.

on the other hand : the SKEPTICS who have been projecting their biases and prejudices that there CANNOT be any cataclysm/catastrophy in relation to 2012 , and are thereby are no better than their gullible opponents ?