Where will you be on Dec 21, 2012?

[Nay]

btw the 'evidence' is not very convincing: the reason more 'catacalysms' seem to occur nowadays is because they are more widely reported now due to advances in communication technology

Ok..you said it better. *says over and over in mind, advances in communication technology*  

Nay

[joya250]

hmmm... tried to post this earlier, but it didn't go through... trying it again...

You know, I do not appreciate (Frank and others) labeling people with different ideas as "younger" and therefore implying that WISDOM comes with age.  It seems that I see the same people posting their "I know better than you" or "you only believe this because you are young" opinions over and over.

So, to those who have said they have seen this sort of thing (prediction dates missed)... would you be so kind to provide specific examples?

I am a highly aware, highly intelligent (hehe, and not too-modest) 28  year old.  I have done the whole "new agey" thing -- and I too have been duped by sprititual preditors, who pretty much "raped" me on almost all levels (spiritually, psychologically, and most of all financially).  Yet, I have come through that time of exploration and learning even stronger and more intact.  I respect myself for still having the ability to mix reason with an open-mind, and to not be bitter or shattered by these experiences.  I consider myself WISE, despite the fact that I may be younger then some others here.

I do not push my beliefs on others, but I do offer my thoughts.  I try to do this in a non-offensive, non-namecalling way.  I would appreciate if others would do the same.    Would YOU like to post your ideas, in the nature of sharing, only to be called OLD and ridiculed???

peace, joya

[Chimerae]

This planet for thousand upon thousands of years has been having cataclismic activity.  The only reason why we've been noticing these things in the last oh.. lets say a hundred years (perhaps Joya can help out with that number, cause I never claimed to know it all) is because of the introduction of the mail delivery, telegraph, phone, then the computer.  

This planet is doing nothing more than it's been doing all along, we're just hearing about now everyday on the news.

Hey Nay,

I totally agree that earthquakes and other natural "disasters" have been going on for as long as there is time.  

Hell they're only "disasters" from a human point of view.  From a geologic point of view they're just part of the daily bump and grind -- the planet brushing it's teeth and going about it's geological day.

Where I find "wake up calls" useful -- independant of whether or not their "clock" is set accurately or the specific alarm is the right one -- is in the reminder of just how deeply imbedded I am in the mass hypnosis that is human culture.  

Natural "disasters" have greater effect right now from a human perspective because of the way we have populated and built up structures and moved from a distributed economics into specialization of skills and even regions.  That matters because the emotional and strategic thinking that comes along with the natural adjustments shift suddently -- and the various nearly instant communication techniques can sweep that emotional thinking around the world before the stabilization of time and perspective can do it's thing.  

That quick sweep can add to that the manufactured disasters we create and their consequences.  

I have a friend who likes to chuckle and remind me that there's an old Chinese curse that goes:  May you live in Interesting Times.

My personal goal is to grow to the point I can revel in Interesting Times without losing my sense of mundane and the personal.

[Teomim]

I too am surprised by the negitive stigma attached to this. I could make this post pages and pages long, typing out pages of this book. If you want, i have been very careful to not set off the right wing extreamists, but We only know now, with the most Advanced science we know toady, what that mayans, have been telling us this whole time.
Beleive me, the numbers DO add up, and the peices fit too well together. If you want, i can type up a condensed version of this book, indicating the exact who's what's and where's. But this will be based of the feed back i get here. Im not gonna waste my time, if i don't need to.

its kinda funny. You know the movie "The day after tomorrow"? i feel like the main charachter we he told the prez "We need to start preperations for a mass scale evacuation"
straight up, exodus style.
The egyptions knew of this comming event, the last time it happened. They took years and years of preperations, building Mandjits (boats reputed to be unsinkable), food and water for everyone. At this time was a war, and most of the ships were destryoed, as the war raged on, the cataclysm, started, and the people fled in a terrible panic, while the earth convulsed, spurted lava, ash, and doom fell from the sky's. As the paniced masses trampled each other to the few ships left, the over filled them, and sunk them. . . wich brings me to my next point.
Never Underestimate The Power Of Stupid People, In Large Groups!

This indeed is a crude rendetion of the story, of horus, and set and the like. I will go into mass detail, like i said before, if you all feel so compelled.

~Z?~

[Nostic]

I have a friend who likes to chuckle and remind me that there's an old Chinese curse that goes:  May you live in Interesting Times.

LOL, that made me chuckle. I like that line.
I just think it's important to consider, even if 1,000 of these prophecies come and go and never amount to anything... only ONE needs to be right.
I agree with you when you say, things like this are important in that they give you a bit more motivation to examine your life. Regardless of if they're true or not, it does make you think. Of course, it can also back-fire, when people become immune to all of it.

[Nay]

hmmm... tried to post this earlier, but it didn't go through... trying it again...

You know, I do not appreciate (Frank and others) labeling people with different ideas as "younger" and therefore implying that WISDOM comes with age.  It seems that I see the same people posting their "I know better than you" or "you only believe this because you are young" opinions over and over.

So, to those who have said they have seen this sort of thing (prediction dates missed)... would you be so kind to provide specific examples?

I am a highly aware, highly intelligent (hehe, and not too-modest) 28  year old.  I have done the whole "new agey" thing -- and I too have been duped by sprititual preditors, who pretty much "raped" me on almost all levels (spiritually, psychologically, and most of all financially).  Yet, I have come through that time of exploration and learning even stronger and more intact.  I respect myself for still having the ability to mix reason with an open-mind, and to not be bitter or shattered by these experiences.  I consider myself WISE, despite the fact that I may be younger then some others here.

I do not push my beliefs on others, but I do offer my thoughts.  I try to do this in a non-offensive, non-namecalling way.  I would appreciate if others would do the same.    Would YOU like to post your ideas, in the nature of sharing, only to be called OLD and ridiculed???

peace, joya

That is weird because I saw the ORIGINAL post you say didn't go through, thus why I commented about you helping with the dates.  

This link is pretty interesting.  There are alot of links out there showing failed predictions that have gone on through the ages. I know I posted a better link somewhere on the forums..I can't find it now..hehe  but I think you'll get the point.
http://www.religioustolerance.org/end_wrld.htm#menu

As for calling me old, hey no problems here with that!  Believe me I've been called worse than that on these forums when certain people got all defensive..lol   I find it funny that so many people think because one calls you young it is offensive.  If it is no problem then why the raised hackles?

Nay~ Peace out Maaaaaaan..

[Nostic]

. . . which brings me to my next point.
Never Underestimate The Power Of Stupid People, In Large Groups!

LOL, that gave me another good chuckle! For such a "tired" topic, I'm finding this thread to be pretty interesting. Seeing both sides gives it depth, I think.

[Nay]

I too am surprised by the negitive stigma attached to this. I could make this post pages and pages long, typing out pages of this book. If you want, i have been very careful to not set off the right wing extreamists, but We only know now, with the most Advanced science we know toady, what that mayans, have been telling us this whole time.
Beleive me, the numbers DO add up, and the peices fit too well together. If you want, i can type up a condensed version of this book, indicating the exact who's what's and where's. But this will be based of the feed back i get here. Im not gonna waste my time, if i don't need to.

its kinda funny. You know the movie "The day after tomorrow"? i feel like the main charachter we he told the prez "We need to start preperations for a mass scale evacuation"
straight up, exodus style.
The egyptions knew of this comming event, the last time it happened. They took years and years of preperations, building Mandjits (boats reputed to be unsinkable), food and water for everyone. At this time was a war, and most of the ships were destryoed, as the war raged on, the cataclysm, started, and the people fled in a terrible panic, while the earth convulsed, spurted lava, ash, and doom fell from the sky's. As the paniced masses trampled each other to the few ships left, the over filled them, and sunk them. . . wich brings me to my next point.
Never Underestimate The Power Of Stupid People, In Large Groups!

This indeed is a crude rendetion of the story, of horus, and set and the like. I will go into mass detail, like i said before, if you all feel so compelled.

~Z?~

Gee, how in the world did I miss this post?  eh, thinking too much about the end of the world I suppose.  

its kinda funny. You know the movie "The day after tomorrow"? i feel like the main charachter we he told the prez "We need to start preperations for a mass scale evacuation"
straight up, exodus style.

 See, I'm sorry, but it is times like this that make me totally shake my head.  It is a MOVIE!  

I promise I won't call you stupid for getting your facts from a movie, THAT is offensive, but I will say you seem misguided.  Don't get me wrong I saw the movie and enjoyed it, but lordy, do you really think that the world is going to freeze over sooo fast that it freezes up in mere seconds??

Like I said, if anything happens I'll deal with it at THAT moment, but I won't waste my days worrying about it.. I totally have other things to do, like the dishes..ugh  

Nay

[Chimerae]

I don't think people are stupid.  

I think "what you focus on determines what you miss" and our cultural world is so complex and intense that there is simply TOO MUCH INFORMATION of all kinds available.

As a byproduct of systems design, we respond naturally to mirroring -- it was part our earliest learning about how to learn.  

Groups protect themselves from cohesion destroying interpersonal chaos by silently agreeing what information will be acceptable and what will -- by mutual unconscious agreement -- be ignored and relegated to "false or trivial"  There's aggressive policing of those rules within any functioning group for the simple reason that addressing EVERY piece of info with equal regard creates a tower of babel effect.  

What happens over generations of time is that human intepersonal cues and standards actually become more important than tracking the Big Real -- and individuals who grow to majority in those cultures increasingly lack the very tools to even experience the Real.  (I'm talking very much about myself here.)

Individuals NOT in tune with the subtle unwritten rules find themselves unable to interact with the culture and the group and are marginalized to the point of not being heard.

I think (read those two words softly because this is an area where I am significantly uncertain instead of my usual level of basic bewilderment) Ahem.  I think there's something in much of this stuff that sounds like nonsense that speaks to the wise intuitive parts of all of us -- but is the right message in the right time and the right place for some people to come into a different and better level of balance between their human interpersonal cultural selves and the larger reality.

I think of them as contemporary mythology, struggling to translate something real and important but not quite being able to fit it into words.

Or, as Mel Brooks said in 2000 Year Old Man:  THERE'S SOMETHING BIGGER THAN PHIL!

[Teomim]

when i quote the movie it was only just that. A quote of a movie. I am not basing ANY facts beleifs or ideas from the said movie, but that paticular line keeps running though my head, and the helplesness and empty feeling of tring to get people to understand as well as accept. Do not think i am misguided, at least no more or less than anyone eles, I just find Anaologies easier to deal with people on a mass scale. Not so much as persons, that i can connect with, ya know?

Chimerae said
"Individuals NOT in tune with the subtle unwritten rules find themselves unable to interact with the culture and the group and are marginalized to the point of not being heard."

nice.

~Z?~

[Nay]

when i quote the movie it was only just that. A quote of a movie. I am not basing ANY facts beleifs or ideas from the said movie, but that paticular line keeps running though my head, and the helplesness and empty feeling of tring to get people to understand as well as accept. Do not think i am misguided, at least no more or less than anyone eles, I just find Anaologies easier to deal with people on a mass scale. Not so much as persons, that i can connect with, ya know?

I hear ya, sorry if I assumed wrong....friends?    

Nay

[Teomim]

Sheeit. OF COURSE!!!

i love all youz guys!

PLUR

(for those of you who do no know what PLUR is i means Peace, Love, Unity, and Respect)


~Z?~

[coolbreeze]

Yes I have heard about the 2012 prophecy, bunch of bs, I say. I recently finished an Earth Science class. We did learn about the switching of magnetic poles, but there was nothing that showed that this had anything to do with solar flares. Please show me some hard core reliable facts that theorize this had something to do with the poles switching.

[RT]

Ok this is my first post, but I consider myself an expert on 2012 in many ways.  2012 is not in anyway a doomsday period, it is a new begin and accession into a higher dimension for most of us.  It is not just the Mayans that predicted this date but many many different cultures and people of great wisdom.

If you take a moment yourself and start to do the research you will see all of the 2012 information cross referencing itself about what is going to transpire. You will have to come to a conclusion in your own right.

Even the Time travelers at Montauk could not break the barrier of 2012 and 2013.

I myself have tried to see the years and only find it thick and heavy, that is the only way I can describe those years.  Kind of like something is trying to keep everyone from seeing it.  I have spoken with many people with abilities like mine own and they appear to be getting the same results.

I will give you all a great link to start the research on 2012, because I can assure you it is of great significance for us all.

http://www.diagnosis2012.co.uk/link.htm

I believe this date is so significant that I am in the process of constructing a site/forum just for 2012 talk.   This site will be up in about a month and it will be free.

Before people start to slam this date I would suggest to do your research and then you can make an intelligent comment that contains some wisdom, I think most will find the link I provided a great start.

Again there is nothing to worry about 2012, this will be a wonderful transformation for all of us.  


Warmest regards,

RT

[RT]

Yes I have heard about the 2012 prophecy, bunch of bs, I say. I recently finished an Earth Science class. We did learn about the switching of magnetic poles, but there was nothing that showed that this had anything to do with solar flares. Please show me some hard core reliable facts that theorize this had something to do with the poles switching.

There are many hard core facts about what is transpiring it started about 1987 and has been going on for quite some time.  Your not going to learn this in a basic Earth Science class.

You just need to look around you Weather, Wars, and Chaos.  Why do you need someone or something to valid the inner senses you already have.

But if you need more........

Schumann's resonance 7.83 Hz increasing (Earth's pulse) for instance it has been at a constant for thousands of years until 1987 where it has dramatically increased to about 11 Hz+ right now.  This is fact and can be quantified.

http://shekinah.elysiumgates.com/resonance.html

http://www.thelightwand.com/schumann.htm

http://www.nwbotanicals.org/oak/newphysics/SciNews.1003.pdf

RT