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« on: August 29, 2003, 14:12:00 »

I thought this was the Astralpulse forums.

Or is it becoming www.astralpulse-zeta-pleidans.com forums?

Come on people. What´s goin on?

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« Reply #1 on: August 29, 2003, 15:03:33 »

Greetings Goingslow,

I was going to contact you privately on this, but as you have chosen to attack me personally in public I will now respond in public.

First and foremost, it is not acceptable to openly accuse anyone of starting a cult in these forums! You have absolutely no proof whatsoever, and further you are merely reacting to your own ideas and suspicions, non of which are reprentative of either the Astral Pulse, my own or any other members position. You are entitled to your opinion of course, and as you know we allow people considerable lattitude to voice opinions here, but I cannot or will not allow anything which is slanderous and is stated as a fact in very large letters rather than as an opinion. You have been allowed more lattitude than most members here for your often vociferous and highly provocative posts and attacks on people, as witnessed by this very topic.

Secondly, at the Astral Pulse I and the other moderators try very hard indeed to maintain the dignity of these forums for the benefit of all members, not just a few.I will not tolerate such accusations not only levelled at other members but also at myself, specifically being accused of "endorsing cults" while accusing other members of being "self-deluded". This behaviour is intolerable and is an insult to myself, the people concerned in the Mayatnik project, and indeed all members who voice opinions with sincerity. As a result goingslow you have now made your last post on these forums. Goodbye!

Regarding the Zeta, Pleiaidan, telepathic communications; I absolutely and completely support Mayatnik, Parmenion, Edi, Truthseeker and all of the other members involved in their project. I have already clearly stated my concerns which I did with complete sincerity and without trying to publicly avoid such concerns. There is absolutely no evidence to suggest these members where not in direct telepathic communication with the Zeta. No one raises an eyebrow when people communicate with their guides, many of whom I might add are Pleiadians, the reason being they are more advanced than Earth humans and can therefore properly fulfil the responsiblity as Guides. The Zeta are just such another race of beings who seem to  assisting mankind in a different way. There are many advanced beings in the higher spheres assisting mankind, it is one of their most sacred tasks to do so, which they do gladly of their own freewill. This is the way of the Universe, the higher always assisting the lower on the sacred ascent back to our creator. To claim the members who communicate with the Zeta are dillusional is no different to saying everyone who communicates with Guides are dillusional, and we all know communicating with guides is not dillusional and is not considered as such by anyone. Millions of people believe people like members here who Astral Project, Meditate, raise Eenergy and many other Spiritual disciplines are dillusional; we all know better! To some, those who do not worship God and offer themselves to Jesus are dillusional as we have seen recently in several topics. People who claim, without proof Mayatnik and the members with are dillusional, are no better than the creed and dogma or the church saying Astral Pulse members are dillusional for following Spiritual pursuits. The fact is, in this infinite Universe in all of its spheres, anything is possible, and we are advised the higher spheres and the abilities beings who dwell there are beyond the comprehension of most people.

The fact is we simply do not know for sure, but we should always give people the benefit of the doubt, especially people we know and respect, and until proven otherwise if appropriate. Most people here are intelligent, level headed, sincere members and all Brothers and Sisters on the path who can decide the truth of these matters for themselves, accept it or dismiss it and proceed on their own path.

With best regards,

Adrian.
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« Reply #1 on: August 29, 2003, 15:03:33 »

logoVisit the website of Astral Pulse creator Adrian Cooper.

Home of the best selling book Our Ultimate Reality.

Astral Projection, Metaphysics and many other subjects.

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« Reply #2 on: August 29, 2003, 15:37:53 »

Until recently goingslow has been a pretty decent member of the forums. I am not sure what has gotten into him lately, but I hope you do not permenantly ban him. I think he does need to take a break and calm down.

There are a lot of different ideas shared on these forums. Everyone is most likely not going to agree. But we all need to respect each other's ideas. If you do not agree with a topic just do not read those topics. No one is forcing you to do so. Don't keep reading them until you get upset and angry about it. Accept the fact that everyone is different and can have different ideas.

goingslow, if there are issues in your life that are leading you to this anger I hope you can realize what they are and deal with them. Good luck.
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« Reply #3 on: August 29, 2003, 16:14:34 »

Greetings fallnangel77,

Thank you very much indeed for your comments.

Yes, there are over 6000 posts each month on these forums and increasing as we enjoy more and more members contributing. These are all complex and far reaching subjects involving numerous perspectives, ideas, information etc., and which subjects are not unfortunately, yet anyway, considered mainstream by people generally. Differences of opinion and perspective are inevitable, but as you most correctly stated it is all about respect. Fortunately the level of respect between members on these forums is extremely high for the benefit of all concerned and it will assuredly remain that way. Also as you say, people have the option of reading whichver forums and topics are of particular interest, and to which they can contribute.

Unfortunately, when we see situations such as with goingslow whereby a member is effectively engaged in a personal witch hunt and starts shouting (in very large letters) "cult" and other accusations, and then follows it up accusing me of generally supporting cults in these forums, and other members who I know and respect as being "self-deluded" the line is crossed from acceptable to totally unnacceptable.

The most important aspect of this is nothing is impossible or out of the question. The days of attacking people who are not understood or conformist, such as the days of the witch hunts are long since over. The Universe is infinite and we are only aware of a small fraction of it in both the physical and higher spheres. There are unquestionably numerous beings, worlds and planes which are beyond the remotest comprehension of any living man on Earth including planets with advanced life. People who I know and respect meet beings from other planets in the Astral frequently, and indeed many are guides to Earth humans due to the fact they are much more advanced. As I also said, for people to attack things they do not understand or agree with is no different to to the church and indeed many members of the public attacking people involved in Spirtual, Metaphysical and Mystical matters. We all know this to be true. We simply have to accept the fact they have their own opinions, and one day those opinions might change as they see the light. As a frequent member of these forums, goingslow should have known better.

With best regards,

Adrian.




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« Reply #4 on: August 29, 2003, 17:34:03 »

Wow, I never thought i'd see the day.

But I can't say anymore. I don't want to be banned, yet.
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« Reply #5 on: August 29, 2003, 17:44:13 »

Greetings Nerezza,

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Originally posted by Nerezza

Wow, I never thought i'd see the day.

But I can't say anymore. I don't want to be banned, yet.



You need not worry [Smiley] It is extremely unfortunate when it becomes necessary to ban someone, and indeed it has only happened three or four times. It only happens when a member goes so far out of line as to upset the peace, harmony and stability of the forums and/or uses provocative or threatening behaviour towards any other members.It is unfortunate this last month or so has seen all of these high profile incidents. Lets hope we have them all out of the way now [Smiley]

We are all here to agree, disagree and exchange information, but always with respect for other members. No on should ever be afraid to express their true opinion whatever it might be, providing it is expressed with reason and respect.

With best regards,

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« Reply #6 on: August 29, 2003, 17:47:29 »

What happens when one is banned anyway? Is there a message at login, and if so, can you, Adrian, customize that message?

Just curious because there are so many interesting ways to ban someone.
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« Reply #7 on: August 29, 2003, 19:36:02 »

hi there Adrian and others!

I'm not sure I agree with banning goingslow, but I respect your decision as a moderator, and furthermore as a person who puts in a great deal of hard work to bring us this website.

I think its crucial that everyone here maintains respect towards one another in the forum, even though it is hard at times. Sometimes a person's opinion can be provocative, which leads to insults being traded.

At the same time though, the forum environment should remain a level playing field. Whilst I agree with Adrian's comment :
 
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The fact is, in this infinite Universe in all of its spheres, anything is possible,

,at the moment, I'm concerned for the welfare of individuals involved in the matter under debate.

I'm beginning to see it as less of a threat though, because clearly Mayatnik is keen on providing information and being open & good-willed in general.

Here though is a generally accepted definition of a cult. Please note that I am not accusing anyone of belonging to one !!!

Rutgers University professor Benjamin Zablocki (1997) says that sociologists often distinguish "cult" from "church," "sect," and "denomination." Cults are innovative, fervent groups. If they become accepted into the mainstream, cults, in his view, lose their fervor and become more organized and integrated into the community; they become churches. When people within churches become dissatisfied and break off into fervent splinter groups, the new groups are called sects. As sects become more stolid and integrated into the community, they become denominations. Zablocki defines a cult as "an ideological organization held together by charismatic relationships and demanding total commitment." According to Zablocki, cults are at high risk of becoming abusive to members, in part because members' adulation of charismatic leaders contributes to their becoming corrupted by the power they seek and are accorded.

Earlier on today I was considering on giving up on astral pulse....but I think that wouls be a bit rash. As fallnangel77 wisely (!) says :
 
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If you do not agree with a topic just do not read those topics. No one is forcing you to do so. Don't keep reading them until you get upset and angry about it. Accept the fact that everyone is different and can have different ideas.



have a good weekend !

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« Reply #8 on: August 29, 2003, 20:09:10 »

Greetings everyone,

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Each of us shines in a different way,
but this doesn't make our light less bright.
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Goingslow,

Go n-eírí an bóthar leat. May the road rise with you.

Yours,

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« Reply #9 on: August 29, 2003, 20:15:59 »

goingslow
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This forum obviously endorses certain cults while condemning others and telling people 'find your own way'.



This is a very important topic. In my opinion, goingslow was right to address this in public on this forum. To ban him because of that without giving him the chance to explain his opinion seems a bit unfair to me.

Adrian, I was wondering about your following quote:

quote:

You are entitled to your opinion of course, and as you know we allow people considerable lattitude to voice opinions here, but I cannot or will not allow anything which is slanderous and is stated as a fact in very large letters rather than as an opinion.



Adrian, I really have to ask you for an answer on this. I hope you don't mind it too much. Please tell us members of this forum why we cannot see you marking your quotes as your opinion, when you are writing on this new age subject. During my time in this forum, I couldn#8217;t avoid noticing that almost everything in your post I read regarding this matter was expressed as a fact, even the two replies you wrote to my own rare posts.

If you believe in this Pleiaidian stuff, I don't mind it. But please mark it as your opinion and don't misuse your position as an administrator of this forum. Anybody in such a position as yours should be especially cautious.

I have to say it, but according to my view, this whole Pleiaidan stuff is so much new age and new age cult that nobody can really deny it. Most of it is based on thoughts of cults like the 'Ground Crew Project' or the 'Planetary Activation Organization'. I really don't understand why so many people are believing in stories like the ones of Sheldon (Sheldan?) Nidle, David Icke and Pamela Stonebrook, who just make a living at the costs of easily influenced people. Ok, they are suspense-packed stories, but they are also brain-less stories, which are put together badly.

I recommend people who are frequent readers of their or similar stories to read a scientific texts for a change. There is a pretty good one about new religious UFO movements at:

http://http://www.uni-marburg.de/religionswissenschaft/journal/mjr/ufogruen_main.html

To make one thing clear. Nobody, not Adrian and not anybody else needs to ban me, because of what I've written above. If it is not possible in this forum for a forum member as goingslow to address such an important topic, it doesn't make sense to me to be a part of such a forum any longer. Which is sad somehow.

This was my last post here.[8]

Greetings to everyone who is also fed up with this Zeta, Pleiaidan UFO stuff!

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« Reply #10 on: August 29, 2003, 20:26:08 »

Hi everyone,

I am one of this forum members who spent much time on MSN with Mayatnik.
When I read Goingslow's last posts, I could not believe it. A cult! Is this a joke?

Mayatnik is a teacher. He did not try to convince me of anything. I asked him for hints about developing my telepathic abilities and he helped me right away. He answered my questions and it was up to me to decide if I believed in this information he was giving me or not. In what could this be a cult? A cult is a group where people are not allowed to have their own ideas, right?

He interviewed me at first to see if I was ready for a "specialist" guide, but I also asked him questions to see if what he was talking about was related to my own beliefs, because I do have beliefs on my own and I'd run away from someone who would absolutly try to convince me of something that I FEEL is totally wrong.

And about the "chosen ones" Mayatnik refers to in his posts, to me it simply means that they were well trained in telepathic skills and therefore were "able" to get connected to the Zetas with the help of their guides. And who are those "chosen ones"? They are people from this forum who approached Mayatnik because they wanted to know more and learn telepathy. I know this term upset some people, but actually it simply means that their guides found them ready to do another step ahead.

No really, to me Mayatnik is a person with great knowledge who is always willing to help people. And I thank him for this.

So Adrian, thank you for trying to calm down this topic. I don't understand either why Goingslow behave that way.
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« Reply #11 on: August 29, 2003, 20:41:05 »

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« Reply #12 on: August 29, 2003, 20:54:24 »

Adrian, I've always respected you and what you do here, but this banning was a shock. I would have never expected such a thing, when people like Allanon trample through here regularly. But goingslow is banned for questioning.

The only "reason" I can see is that Goingslow said something that bothered a only a few people(powerful people), while Allanon graces almost everyone with his insults(the masses).
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« Reply #13 on: August 29, 2003, 21:16:46 »

Greetings MJ-12,

Goingslow was banned for outright accusing Mayatnik of recruiting for a cult, and then fuether accusing me of being a part of that process. He also accused Parmenion (who I know quite well) of being "self-deluded". Also read the way in which he went about all of these accusations which is very far from the standards we are accustomed to here. His posts were provocative and inflammatory as well as unjust.

Only three members have been banned before out of several thousand, it is not exactly a common occurence and one which is not taken lightly I assure you.

Yes, I said there is no reason to doubt the ongoing communications as detailed in the relevant topic because quite simply there isn't. If you were to doubt the this matter you would have to doubt almost everything which is mystical, occult or esoteric. With all of these matters it is for each person to decide for themselves based upon what they already know to be true and believe in. There are no absolutes. Your words, with respect, are exactly what the professional skeptics would say in response to this. Nothing can be dismissed out of hand in this field, all of the evidence should be considered first. The project in question is highly organised and ongoing. It is not a group of people simply getting together through nothing better to do I assure you of that.

This is a situation which calls for open-mindedness, not abject dismissal as would most people dismiss most things we discuss here.

With best regards,

Adrian.
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« Reply #14 on: August 29, 2003, 21:22:54 »

Gotta defend Adrian here. He didn't stop goingslow posting because of their different opinions; adrian said  
 
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It only happens when a member goes so far out of line as to upset the peace, harmony and stability of the forums and/or uses provocative or threatening behaviour towards any other members.


If the moderators started chucking everyone out that they disagreed with, it would be a pretty crappy discussion group !!

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.....when people like Allanon trample through here regularly.


Surely Allanon's views are fairplay..., ok, I don't agree with him 99% of the time, but he doesn't attack individuals.
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« Reply #15 on: August 29, 2003, 21:35:39 »

Dear Adrian,

I might as well be banned as well.  

I totally and utterly agreed with Goingslow.  I think this forum will lose a great deal of equilibrium if we lose Goingslow.  He questions where no one else will.  Perhaps the bold letters were a bit over the top but since I did not disagree with it I had zero problem with it.

I also completely agree with Nezerra.  I think that your personal experiences with Goingslow are shading your attitude towards him, to a greater or lesser extent I cannot say...but to some extent I think it has influenced your decision.  I would ask that you consider withdrawing and let the other mods vote on this.  

I also think that this is partly due to legal concerns which I do fully understand.   I would really like to have Nick explain this to Goingslow.  I am certain Goingslow will understand if Nick explains the legalities to him.  

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« Reply #16 on: August 29, 2003, 21:40:15 »

Yup...put me on the banning list as well Adrian...Because I dont agree with everything you say...
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« Reply #17 on: August 29, 2003, 21:42:22 »

Perhaps a formal set of rules would come in handy, so people could understand why someone has been banned?

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« Reply #18 on: August 29, 2003, 21:54:33 »

Greetings everyone,

I can only repeat again what I said before, he was banned due to making outright, unproven accusations in an extremely provocative way, and also for insulting other members in a similar way. Behaviour like this has never been tolerated before and will not be in the future. We have several thousand members to consider here, and we cannot allow just one member to upset the equilbrium and harmony we have always enjoyed, and members have a right to.

People know me well enought to know I am never influenced by personalities or differences of opinion, and categorically no one has ever been banned for that before. The three members who were banned previously all brought huge sighs of relief from every member who expressed an opinion. To say people are banned for differences of opinion is just plain unfair and incorrect as most members here will know. I have posted 1290 posts in these forums discussing all manner of topics whether I agree with them or not. As a matter of fact I am never concerned if people do disagree with me, everyone has an opinion, and everyone has the right to modify an opinion. The most important factor is supporting opinions with reasoned arguments. Everyone knows and can plainly see my disagreements with Allanon for example, but at this time he is still here is be not?

I willingly put alot of time and effort into these forums for the benefit of the thousands of members we have here, and I will never allow any member to compromise these forums by means of the behaviour we saw from goingslow and the others who everyone was so pleased to see banned at the time.

And Timeless, you know I respect your views very much, but you know very well my actions were forced as a direct result of his overtly provactive attitude not to mention the factors you mention yourself. For the record, I have only had to warn goingslow once before, and that was many months ago when he first joined these forums. Beyond that I have taken alot of flack from him, but never on the scale of the posts in this and the other topic.I would suggest you would not like to be accused of these things and in such a way, and neither would any member. Again, the integrity of these forums has to be protected at all times, and that means respect by and for all members.

With best regards,

Adrian.
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« Reply #19 on: August 29, 2003, 21:56:43 »

This is starting to get very hot.

All of you are needing to relax. Get a bear and some pizza, sit back in a couch and enjoy a good porno movie![Cheesy]

Ok, ok, you don´t want a porno movie, you want something better...with a few dollars you can go to a nice hook [Smiley] and you will fell better!

See some Seinfeld episodes or Third Rock From the Sun if you don´t want sex [this is impossible unless you are a woman....they are very strange and prefer talk about dressing and cloths and shoes...maybe they are the true pleidians or arcturians]



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« Reply #20 on: August 29, 2003, 21:57:42 »

OK, so nobody has been banned for that before...But why are you starting now? He couldve just got a warning! You are insulting goingslow by continuing your self-righteous crusade...
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« Reply #21 on: August 29, 2003, 22:06:42 »

MJ-12,

"PS. Vallk, do you think that goingslow should be banned for what he did? Is his point of view so toxic to you? If so, then one of you has a problem, and it sure isn't goingslow."

To answer your question, according to me it was not necessary to ban Goigslow. Goingslow has the right to give his opinion, but in a respectful manner. He has the right to believe whatever he wants to, but he also should respect other's beliefs.

Can you imagine if everybody on this forum was accusing everybody else of anything? If I read the post of let's say a guy saying he teleports himself  and don't believe in it, I am not going to write a post claiming that the author is a liar! I won't read the thread.  I am not going to stick to that thread to try to upset everybody who is interested in the subject. That's it.

Do you really find these words acceptable?
From Goingslow
"Paremenion. You are seriously self deluded. Who is this mediocre spirit you are chanelling. The way you talk to mayatnik "perchance"..and other ways you think make you sound more intelligent. You really think you're chosen for anything?"

"Most of the chosen people on that forum are seriously self deluded people who really want to believe they will have ANYTHING to do with saving humanity when all this darkness comes. "

Etc......
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« Reply #22 on: August 29, 2003, 22:15:57 »

Everyone,

This post is similar to one I just posted on another topic also in this section, however after reading how this thread has developed, I needed to set down something a bit longer here.

There have been a number of posts that I've traded with goingslow since last Spring. I have always liked him. In recent months though, he has expressed anger a lot more, I don't know why but that was goinglow, he usually would come back the next time and apologize in his own way. Lately though, his disposition has become very angry, and while that is not a problem in itself, it becomes one when the anger is directed in such a way that it can hurt others.

His long post actually hurt at least one other member. I know this for a fact. Further, I'll bet it has hurt other long standing members I know of as well. This goes beyond differences of opinion, this is not having a disagreement, but more serious. This is why Adrian was forced to step in. Thinking it was personal on Adrian's part is not understanding Adrian at all.

You see with all of the people posting here from all over the world, there are bound to be disagreements. All that Adrian and the moderators are asking for is that each member treat each other with a measure of respect, even if we disagree. That isn't too much to ask is it?

In any forum, such as a courtroom or a classroom, there are certain rules of conduct. That's what makes things work. Critics should try and think for a moment how hard it must be for one person to manage a website like this. Adrian doesn't get paid for this. He does it because he believes in it. He believes in the importance of maintaining a site where people can exchange different spiritual ideas and opinions within bounds of good conduct. Does he get thanks for this? Not often enough in my opinion, more often he receives undeserved criticism and even attack.

Please think about what I've said, as there is another side to this, as hard as that may be to accept right now.

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« Reply #23 on: August 29, 2003, 22:23:41 »

Dear Adrian,

You have no idea...how much I will miss Goingslow on this messageboard.  I cannot tell you how to run things.  This is your creation.  

I will state my opinion once for the record.  I feel that a lot of people enter the board with absolute attitudes.  Mayantik did not question his beliefs and presented them as THE TRUTH.  There is not greater absoluteness than this.  This I believe was the root of the problem.   Goingslow intensely dislikes absolutism as I do.  Insults must be apologized for and a warning is in order but there is a big difference between Goingslow and others who have been banned.  Goingslow does listen.  I did something similar to Goingslow with Kakkarot.  I gave Kakkarot a bit of a slap when he decided to call up demons since he felt he was not advancing.  I did this in the desperate hope of waking him up.  I did not go anywhere the extent that Goingslow did with Paremenion but that does not mean Goingslow's intent was not the same.  

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« Reply #24 on: August 29, 2003, 22:32:16 »

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This is starting to get very hot.

All of you are needing to relax. Get a bear and some pizza, sit back in a couch and enjoy a good porno movie![Cheesy]

Ok, ok, you don´t want a porno movie, you want something better...with a few dollars you can go to a nice hook [Smiley] and you will fell better!

See some Seinfeld episodes or Third Rock From the Sun if you don´t want sex [this is impossible unless you are a woman....they are very strange and prefer talk about dressing and cloths and shoes...maybe they are the true pleidians or arcturians]


Actually, I think grabbing a bear while watching a porno movie would result in lots of scratches on your private parts...




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