Are we in a Death Trap?

[GodsProxy]

This thread is dedicated to the topic "Are we in a death trap?" What is a death trap? What proof do we have that we are in a death trap? Who else on Earth believes we are in a death trap? What can we do to help get us out of the death trap? Does believing we are in a death trap not turn into a self-fulfilling prophesy? These questions and others I would like to address in this thread.

I would like to open with a channeling I received a few years back, which introduced me to the concept of Earth is a death trap:

When you came here that you thought that things would be completely different to how they had actually tricked you into coming into a place where you would never send your worst enemy no matter what they had done ever. And if you did accidentally send him here you would never rest another day in your life until you had managed to set him free.
And now you were in that place and there was absolutely no hope of escape for you ever again and you would never be a free being ever again and in effect you had actually been murdered stone cold dead.

Further:

So when you came into the entrance of this place you found you were lost. So you had to proceed and to carry on into the trap and that proved to be your undoing because once you went inside then you were unable to get out and that he had actually performed the unthinkable act of wiping out your memory completely which is close to murdering a being.

So now you had no hope of getting out because you couldn't even remember the fact that you were in a trap at all. Now you came to believe that you were a body with no soul whatsoever and that this was the only reality that had ever existed and you could never remember a time before it.
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You also forgot everything forever so the primary point of existing at all which is to gain experience was robbed from you and so each life was completely pointless. So you carried on for nearly forever until you were allowed to descend to the next level down.

[GodsProxy]

Are we in a death trap? The simple answer to this question is yes.

If you can't remember anything from before you were born, and have no guarantee as to where you are going when you die, you appeal to a loving God for help and answers, and receive no reply, you can safely assume you are in a death trap, and headed for eternal hell.

This is the only proof you are ever going to get. If you don't know where you go when you die, hope for the best but expect the worst.

Now, realize you are in the most hostile environment you could ever imagine. Take precaution after precaution to safeguard yourself. Make sure you and your wife have separate bank accounts. Keep some money tucked away where you can access it in an emergency if you are ever in a position where you can't identify yourself and you don't have your bank card with you. Make friends who you can trust your life with, and make a pact with them that you will be there for them if they land up destitute, and you in return for them. Keep your mobile phone charged and on you at all times.

Now, decide your allegiances. Do you want to live or do you want to die? There are worse things possible than body death. It is time for us all to wake up. We are all in a death trap. The signs are written in the blood of the suffering on the walls of reality. Don't listen to whiners who say lets make the best of life and ignore the flashing alarm bells. We have a rare opportunity in 2011, spiritual advances have been made which allow us to understand the concept of a death trap.

Everyone else who knows they are in a trap (Buddhists, etc) are out to save themselves. I say lets put our minds together and defeat this thing together. It isn't impossible, I've had some successes, but I need your help. If I have to find a way to defeat it on my own, I will, but I'm not sure if this is possible.

Yes we can make a difference by feeding the hungry and being nice to each other. This is just making life more pleasant in a death trap. The onus is on us to find a way to spiritually defeat this device. Hubbard and the Buddhists have ways to escape the endless cycle of birth, death and rebirth. Lets take the best from all worlds and find a way. I myself have a unique context on it.

Chips are down now. Decide.

[AmbientSound]

Considering the multidimensionality of reality, I do not believe that death can truly exist. Our universe, in all of its dimensions, exists alongside an infinite number of others, some parallel to our own and others different in ways we cannot even imagine. Probabilities always exist. There is no true death. True death would mean the elimination of something that once existed from the mind of God. This cannot be done. I truly believe the functionality of existence is primarily mathematical in its nature. Everything can be expressed mathematically. Subordinate operations cannot effect change on the greater operations under which they fall. Such a thing is logically and "mechanically" impossible. For example: Z=2Y*(X*((5a-3b)+ABS(5a-3b))/2), where X=(8f*((4c-6d)+ABS(4c-6d))/2. In this case, I am using "ABS" to indicate 'absolute value.'

The variables a and b cannot affect the operation of multiplication of x with the outcome of the operations in which they are directly involved, i.e. the function of (5a-3b) cannot alter the value of X, nor can it alter the fact that X is still multiplied with whatever the result of (5a-3b) is. The variables c and d are a different story, as X is the sum total of the operations in which they are involved. In this equation, X cannot equal f, c or d.

All formulas have variables, which relate to each other in a pre-determined way. In this case, 3b is always subtracted from 5a, no matter what. True death would be akin to taking the number 5 and saying it does not exist anymore. But if its memory exists, the memory is holographic because the 5 exists in an infinite number of universes, and thus the 5 will exist somewhere else. Taking the number 5 out of the equation is one thing. Saying it does not exist anymore in any equation is quite another.

Once you understand the formulas at work in your existence, you must then ask yourself who wrote them. You must ask yourself what the sum total of the formula is, and whether it is part of a bigger formula, and what its function is. Your first clue: Reality is fractal in its nature. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandelbrot_set

[Xanth]

Considering the multidimensionality of reality, I do not believe that death can truly exist.

Bingo.
That's why it's impossible for this reality, or any other, to be a "deathtrap".  Death doesn't exist.

[SomeRandom]

"Today a young man on acid realized that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration. That we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively. There is no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we are the imagination of ourselves. Here's Tom with the weather."

[Stillwater]

This sounds like a variation of your "earth is hell" thesis with a new name...

[Summerlander]

"Today a young man on acid realized that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration. That we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively. There is no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we are the imagination of ourselves. Here's Tom with the weather."

LOL! I was thinking the same thing. I also think that Godsproxy could do with trying some mind-openers like acid.

What can we do to help get us out of the death trap?

Nothing because it is not a trap, it's a natural process. All living creatures in this world die. Don't deny the worms their meal. It's inevitable. Stronger is he who, unlike the majority, does not deny death and simply accepts it with open arms and stands unafraid of where he'll end up. This is true liberation and the source of real wisdom.

[Thread Killer]

At the risk of sounding facetious Neil, you're in a death trap and I'm in a love shack. I can't resist the musical references. The James Blunt reference was more about 1973,(your birth year, yes?) than about," here we go again."  I do enjoy these side excursions we take. The periphery is very revealing. And I swear I'm not trying to be a douche. I'm just trying to draw you out, bit by bit.

[Lexy]

this channeling you are listening to is coming from a very dark place. 

[AmbientSound]

You create your own "death trap" mechanism by giving energy (attention) to it.  There is nothing to defeat that you yourself do not create. Pay attention to the way you perceive the world and how you respond to it. No knowledge is certain. It is like Einstein said: "A problem cannot be solved by the same [state of] consciousness that created it." Everything about your existence is defined by you and no one else. Waking up is about realizing that there is no death trap, there is no heaven, and there is no hell, let alone eternal states of any of these.

The death of the physical body is necessary to maintain a healthy capacity of a physically-manifested spiritual occupancy of this planet for all species. Our vibrations will draw to us the realities and situations we need in order to spiritually evolve. We will all evolve in one way or another. We choose how we evolve by where we put our attention. Evolution is not a choice, it is a natural part of the process of being.

[Szaxx]

Hi All ,
 This death trap is not unlike the narrow mindset of most on planet earth.
 A perfect example of math earlier explained this somewhat. On earth we use base ten so all our numbers count. You can elimimate any number, the rule also applies to that and any integer above it. There are two numbers that cannot be excluded ever. These are one and zero. If you are clever you will already have worked out to do this you simply change the base you use. The amount of value still remains. In calculus there exists many dimensions which can be worked simultaneously.
Back to reality, we all live in a three dimensional space, and this is where the trap appears. Simply put we have left to right,one.
near and far, two.
 Up and down, three.
 This is our APPARENT reality. Now if we add in and out, a fourth, the human mind cannot accept this so readily. Phaseing as we all here understand the term is a perfect example of the fourth. We exist as we have in reality, but AP shows us a fourth. In this 'new' state we know of many 'states' of existence, so in reality, the question is how are we trapped?
 We can escape time, so....
we already coexist in this higher state.
 How are we trapped?
 Death is another change of state, surely, as is say a chemical reaction.
 Not being able to remember a previous life is like why didn't have awareness of AP in all humanity from birth.
 Enlighten more on the trapped utilising the above please.
 Intriguing thread.

[Wi11iam]

According to many Astral Projection experiences shared, the 'trap' in not only this side of the black stump.
 

I think that anything which acts as a distraction is potentially a 'trap' to the consciousness involved with the distraction.

But a ‘death trap’?  Consciousness cannot ‘die’ but yes – it certainly can be trapped!

[GodsProxy]

If anyone, like me, finds this disturbing, I apologize. If you know the truth, then you can help us.

But a ‘death trap’?  Consciousness cannot ‘die’ but yes – it certainly can be trapped!

Yes, consciousness cannot die, this is the point I am trying to make. You may reach a point where you wish with all your might and all your soul that you were dead, but that is impossible.
This is the point which makes eternal hell and death traps possible.
In eternal hell and a death trap, if nobody here decides to do anything about it, if you have loved ones on the outside, it is better for them to forget you ever existed. There is no hope for you and there never will be ever again, you will suffer in torment forever.
You are as good as dead. That is the only death possible for a spirit. You have only one choice, one choice alone, and that is to fight to stay alive. Death is not an option, can you see that?
Death of a spirit is figurative only. You will wish for the rest of eternity that you were dead.
Now, knowing the extents to which a spirit can be made to feel uncomfortable (witness human suffering), now you will either know or you will not, that not knowing where you go when you die, is an unacceptable risk.
In fact, it means you have been attacked, and are on your way to "dying". "Dying" is a euphemism, by the way.
Your loved ones outside the trap will have to be rescued by Father God and he will have to do the mercy of erasing all memory of you from their eternal memories.
Nice one hey?
Welcome to hell.
Welcome to reality.

[GodsProxy]

This guy asks for help in the Magic forum. All the Magicians there had to do was to offer to Cast the opposing guy back again and he would've been toast. Instead, 6 pages of discussion
I offered to help him personally. Same thing should happen here.

[Summerlander]

Godsproxy...hell may be your reality but that doesn't make it everyone else's...the optimistic say this is the best of possible worlds while the pessimistic fears that to be true.