Comitting Suicide

[King]

Life is so hard, I just had an OBE this morning and it felt so real...I wish I could live in this other world where everything is much easier to deal with, where you are free to go wherever you want to go, and live whatever life you want to live, it is such a peaceful place, far away from all the pain and misery one may experience in this world...

[blis]

If you kill yourself you'll just have to come back and do this all again. We come here to experience/overcome certain things. If we chicken out it's still undone plus you've got all the baggage that comes with killing yourself.

And suicides arent supposed to have an easy time in the immediate afterlife. You create your reality. You'll carry forward whatever made you do it.

[astraladdict]

I agree, life is hard. Life is a grump. Nothing goes right, and when it finally starts to, something happens and it leaves you with more pain. The ones you loved left, friends backstabbed, family isn't there. No one to talk to when you need it. All alone, in a world full of pain and dark. But, there's always something. Even with all the excrement that goes on, there's always something that keeps you going. Something that helps ease the pain. The sun always comes out after a storm my friend. Even if all seems bad now, it will get better. Suicide is a selfish act, it leaves so many people in pain. All for what? There's always somebody out there who has it worse than you.

~astraladdict

[Xanth]

I consider this physical reality the "fast track" to spiritually growing.  Those of us who come here to experience this are doing so for a very good reason.

Living here really isn't all that hard... you just need to shift your perception a bit.  Life truly is how you view it.  If you view things as difficult, then that's the hand you'll end up being dealt.

[King]

I've heard that we choose our path here on earth before coming here...so I'm just wondering what the hell was I thinking before I was "born"

I swear to god if there's something after this life on earth, I WILL NEVER COME BACK here again in this plane of reality, everything is so dark, painful and hard here.

I just hope that OBEs are NOT a dream or an illusion, cauze if it's the case and there is nothing after this life, I prefer to be here for much more time rather than eternal void/non existence

 

[astraladdict]

I've heard that we choose our path here on earth before coming here...so I'm just wondering what the hell was I thinking before I was "born"

I swear to god if there's something after this life on earth, I WILL NEVER COME BACK here again in this plane of reality, everything is so dark, painful and hard here.

I just hope that OBEs are NOT a dream or an illusion, cauze if it's the case and there is nothing after this life, I prefer to be here for much more time rather than eternal void/non existence

 

You are here to learn, evolve. The tasks you set out for yourself are what's going on. You chose all who will guide you. Sit back and think. Think about what's going on, than think about what you can learn from it. It's all a part of evolving.

~astraladdict

[King]

I don't understand !! Why no help? Why are we so left alone on this plane of existence ? Guides are doing nothing, it seems like they just watch you fell, I hate how lonely we are here, trapped into stupid physical bodies

[astraladdict]

I don't understand !! Why no help? Why are we so left alone on this plane of existence ? Guides are doing nothing, it seems like they just watch you fell,

If you are trully alone, than how come i'm guiding you and helping you right now?

~astraladdict

[GodsProxy]

Look, I'm here to help. I had the same feelings you have. I found the real answers. I'm not sure where everyone else is at, but listen to me. You can make a difference in the world. Hold my hand and I will never, never let go of it. Just trust me. Trust me. Trust me. Your questions are valid. They are valid and the conclusions are obvious. You are 100% correct. Pain pills or encouraging words will NEVER take it away. Come, email me. I will help you, but you must trust me. You cannot trust anyone, you can only trust the truth. Trust me. Trust me. Trust me. Come into contact with me, follow me. We need to help each other. Do not deny the truth. It is written everywhere, everywhere. Come, email me, PM me. I will explain. You are not alone, you are not alone. We can help each other. Come on, lets help each other. But you gotta trust me, and you gotta believe me.

Love is all there.

I've heard that we choose our path here on earth before coming here...so I'm just wondering what the hell was I thinking before I was "born"

I swear to god if there's something after this life on earth, I WILL NEVER COME BACK here again in this plane of reality, everything is so dark, painful and hard here.

I just hope that OBEs are NOT a dream or an illusion, cauze if it's the case and there is nothing after this life, I prefer to be here for much more time rather than eternal void/non existence

 

[Xanth]

I've heard that we choose our path here on earth before coming here...so I'm just wondering what the hell was I thinking before I was "born"

I swear to god if there's something after this life on earth, I WILL NEVER COME BACK here again in this plane of reality, everything is so dark, painful and hard here.

I just hope that OBEs are NOT a dream or an illusion, cauze if it's the case and there is nothing after this life, I prefer to be here for much more time rather than eternal void/non existence

 

But you do understand that it's only "dark, painful and hard" because that's the only perspective you're looking at it from.

Do you not see any of the "light, joyful and easy" parts of life? 

I think you should look into a guy named Tom Campbell.
His book, "My Big TOE", might be of some encouragement to you.

[GodsProxy]

Thats right that. So now you know you've got us.

If you are trully alone, than how come i'm guiding you and helping you right now?

~astraladdict

[Thread Killer]

far away from all the pain and misery one may experience in this world...

A romantic affectation. Almost Shakespearian. Ryan's right. You're seeing your experience from only one of an infinite array of perspectives. Enough of the Goth.

[GodsProxy]

Hi Thread,

Yes of course! You're all right. One handed another, on hand in another, just ignore all your other obligations, and hug the guy next to you. Make him feel better. It was so simple.

The only love I ever found like this was in the Spirit world. Now its here on earth.

An infinitite array of possibilities... thats what I see as well.

The Goth is indeed dead... but we can hug him to death first

A romantic affectation. Almost Shakespearian. Ryan's right. You're seeing your experience from only one of an infinite array of perspectives. Enough of the Goth.

[Summerlander]

I've heard that we choose our path here on earth before coming here...so I'm just wondering what the hell was I thinking before I was "born"

I swear to god if there's something after this life on earth, I WILL NEVER COME BACK here again in this plane of reality, everything is so dark, painful and hard here.

I just hope that OBEs are NOT a dream or an illusion, cauze if it's the case and there is nothing after this life, I prefer to be here for much more time rather than eternal void/non existence

 

I don't know if there is an afterlife or not.  OOBEs and lucid dreams are certainly NOT proof that consciousness survives physical death.  Death could really be the end.  No experience.  Like being unconscious.  There is no you.  all conscepts including the self...gone (oblivion).

In Tibetan buddhism, according to the Bardo thodol, the immediate stages of the afterlife are marked by environments that at first resemble our physical reality and the deceased have mirage-like vision (sound familiar?).

Eventually, the deceased individual may start to move away from the earth-like "apparitional fields" (as it is termed) to enter other fields, which are ideas that represent other physical realms.  The individual, if he hasn't grown spiritually or achieved nirvana, and is thus more concerned about fulfilling his desires (ego-driven), will be drawn to worlds in non-physical reality which supposedly fulfil his needs.  These apparitional fields are illusions for self-indulgence.  But the more he has what he wants, the more he craves.  The ego thirst is insatiable because the ego is also an illusion. 

Eventually, indulgence in these metaphysical ideas will lead to rebirth in physical realms where the idea is experienced on a grosser level, where other of the same or similar calibre share the same reality and you are all forced to compromise with each other.  A world full of rules and inhabited by egos and riddled with bouts of happiness and suffering - a mere shadow of what the idea used to be in the non-physical realm.  Desire leads to suffering - this is a rule in Buddhism.

The aim is to let go of the ego.  Let go of desires.  Be at peace with yourself.  You will see that, if you live in acceptance, if you live for the moment, if you take the challenges merrily, you will be satisfied whatever the conditions.  Keep your mind serene.  don't let what goes on around you dictate how you will feel.  You are allowing your view of this world to dictate your actions. Be free.  Be content if you enjoy the things you like but know that your mind is strong enough if those things get taken away from you.  He who is not concerned with what might become of him is truly free. Here's another saying: He who wants nothing challenges Jupiter, who wants nothing himself.

Live for the moment.  Take the challenges.  Learn as much as you can.  Be strong.  Grow internally.  Your mind can take on anything if you just believe.  Suicide is not the way out.  Not in the way that you are thinking.

[GodsProxy]

I don't know if there is an afterlife or not.  OOBEs and lucid dreams are certainly NOT proof that consciousness survives physical death.  Death could really be the end.  No experience.  Like being unconscious.  There is no you.  all conscepts including the self...gone (oblivion).

Summerlander and I agree to dot extent. There is no afterlife. I know you didn't quite say this but I concur. This is the life you have. Suicide is not an alternative. I've seen the absolute and complete and utter truth, I can explain it in english words and sentences. Suicide is just? - our failure to show you enough love. I said it before and I'll say it again. Hold my hand, hold astraladdicts hand, hold Summerlander's hand. Talk to us. If you're reading this and in the same position - talk to us. We hold each other's fate in our hands. Tomorrow - there might not be tomorrow. Make the best of today. That means I need love just as much as you. Now, if you don't reach out to me - do you understand - and you try suicide - I've tried it many times, never worked. Now hold my hand see? Cos if you don't take the initiative - then no-body will - and no-body holds my hand. Then I'm stuffed, see?

Live for the moment.  Take the challenges.  Learn as much as you can.  Be strong.  Grow internally.  Your mind can take on anything if you just believe.  Suicide is not the way out.  Not in the way that you are thinking.

So we agree. And I wrote that above. I have so much love to give, and no-one is reaching back up to me. That means no-one reached back up to me, you see, and I wasn't given any love, but I gave you love, see?

King, please re-read every reply very carefully. Every single one is absolutely correct. I'm not more correct than any other, and that is absolutely literally correct.

However, I'm personally extending my hand of friendship, but I need something in return. That is trust. That also, I add gently, means I need your support more than you need mine. Man, I'm dying here, and hating life more than you. And I'm giving love out at the rate of bullets,man. We need to help each other.

Love is all there is.

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Clarification:

This is your one and only life you will ever live. When you die, you will suffer more. Do you understand? I don't want to go and get all heavy and depressing now. There can also be an after life. We have to take everyone up into it. The only way is to love each other. I've found the way, its so easy and simple, and I have proven it!

King: Not one person has done this yet. Not one other person alive. They're all waiting for me to context something or another, can you believe it. Two physical people trust each other enough - and yes, that means I've got the means to get us out of here and into the paradise which you crave, along with anyone you love. We just need two people to trust each other enough and talk sense to each other. I'll do it on my own if I have to, but man, its starting to hurt.

Now, my offer of unconditional love and friendship is open to any, any, any person who may come to read these words. I am the only one who can speak us through this. I just need you to trust me, be open and honest to me, and talk to me at every opportunity. I'll help you help us help us all. I love you.