Demons!....only exsit in the mind

[Nay]

Why would you say fun is over?  Are you one of those ppl who thrive on the negative side of things? 

You might want to say this is your opinion because I do not need to believe in some ultimate evil so I can believe in the ultimate good.  IMO, we are always 'born' with good in our hearts..it's what the person does with it that matters.  It's obvious to me that there are alot of negative people out there walking the earth today.  It seems though, they are being found out more than ever now....2012???...

[Astir]

Not at all.

I have seen some people enjoy a good witch hunt...but there's never any real witch. People do thrive on negativity. When I spoke of ultimate good and evils I was refering to religion in a manner. For example, no one would read the bible if it was entirely gray area. You may be able to understand things as you have described. Others, they look for proof.

I really believe there is no more evil than there ever was. There is only media that reports only negativity because it makes for a better story. You don't see much of the good. Nobody does, but it is still there and always will be.

...And I did say it was my opinion when I said I feel in the 3rd line down after the first two statements. I tend to make statements at the very beginning of every opinion I inject into conversation so you know automatically what I see. It's just my way, I am frank. I'm not negative or trying to be...anything really, other than myself. 

[Enoch]

Balance is the key. Jeesh dont any of you listen.? Ok some of you do so dont smite me...lol
Really seriously in ALL HONOSTY. There is a god and a devil. There is good and evil. Dont any of you have experiance in dreaming at all? Have none of you ever met a demon? How do they look lol they look like us (or whatever they want) but normally just like us. Come on open your eyes and your minds and your hearts. All the bibles in existence are not lying.....All the religions of the world are not wrong. See for Jeaash im hanging out at an astral forum and none of you can say you have net a demon or a angel? What the heck you been doing? Are you just all talk? There is no REAL dreamer among you? 

[Rob]

Few points

It would seem to me that if demons or what ever did exist, that those of us who do haeling and are following a more spiritual path etc would be a threat to thier cause, and as such as such we would be prime targets. I think there is enough diffulcty in this physical world to just live prosper and enoy our selves, with out the help of demonic enteties, thats where I believe the fine balance lies that Rob was pointing out, right here, in our minds. two cents any way God bless M x

Yup, thats true, and it happens. However, there is also the premise that "the most clever thing the devil did was convince mankind he did not exist". So both point of view have some truth, as is often the case.

Lol Rob the first bit of your reply sounds aptly like a bit of your "intellectual masterbation" that you were telling us about, and its never wise asume anything!
I base my open minded views on personal expirience and learning, and dont pressume to know the answer, the evidance I have expirienced has led me to my belliefs.
So these demons you have had first hand expirience of, what did they look like?

When I say intellectual masturbation I am talking about building castles in the sky, ie basing your beliefs upon a lack of evidence, pure speculation, and lets not forget pre-existing desires to believe the world works in a certain way eh? I have no need to do this with respect to negs etc. It is possible that I am wrong about where you are coming from, if so sorry, but I doubt I am.
What do they look like? Well I have never met a "demon" I dont think, but lesser negative entitie(s) yes. That depends only on how they want to present themselves, as Enoch said, and is somewhat irrelevant. However for me they were once like shadows in the pitch black, once like a very black figure standing at the bottom of my bed, etc etc. I have met other people with similar experiences who told me about them with little prompting, and others who talk about similar things ie spiders snakes etc etc - and IMO the collective consciousness argument does not cut it even close.

I don't like watching negative movies or even news report too much, but some people thrive on that stuff....  How much you wanna bet the person that thrives on that, is the one having "problems" with demons?

Wouldnt bet too much if I were you, I only just got a TV the other day (literally) and way prefer uplifting movies to the dark ones. Oh, and martial arts  .

Well said Enoch, this stuff does crop up in every religion. The other day I saw a hindu painting with angels in it, it was breathtakingly beautiful.

Rob

[Rob]

.... oh and CFTraveler - fantastic point of view, I have never heard it before, very interesting. Thanks for posting.

[Enoch]

Thanks rob. Im sort of stunned here really.
Here is just one more fact that good and evil exist. In Genesis adam and eve ate from a tree. The tree was what? It was the tree of knowledge OF GOOD AND EVIL. God did not want us to have to worry about balance in life. He prefered that we not know.
You see Lucifer is mad at all of us. He hates the fact that we are eternal (as angels and demons are) and the fact that we in the end would end up just like him (angelic and live forever with god) as he did was just to much. Why do you think that we have the ten commandments and the seven deadly sins? Because these are the temptations. These are literally the demon that tempt us every day of our lives. The original sin. Now look at our world and if you cant tell me who's in control than you have some serious issues.
God means for us to live in this world not OF this world. We are truly not of this earth. It is as i have said but one of many of the lords mansions.   

[Nay]

That is your belief enoch.. I don't believe in the devil, satan, lucifer..whatever the name.   In my beliefs there is no outside force tempting you everyday to go over the speed limit, steal something from the store, cheat on your mate...etc.  It is YOUSELF..

[Astir]

Balance is the key. Jeesh dont any of you listen.? Ok some of you do so dont smite me...lol
Really seriously in ALL HONOSTY. There is a god and a devil. There is good and evil. Dont any of you have experiance in dreaming at all? Have none of you ever met a demon? How do they look lol they look like us (or whatever they want) but normally just like us. Come on open your eyes and your minds and your hearts. All the bibles in existence are not lying.....All the religions of the world are not wrong. See for Jeaash im hanging out at an astral forum and none of you can say you have net a demon or a angel? What the heck you been doing? Are you just all talk? There is no REAL dreamer among you? 

I don't believe balance is the key. I believe it just is.

I've dealt with some annoying negs. Some terribly frightening ones too...no demons.

It isn't our sight, but our interpretation. The differing views here account for each individuals interpretation. It isn't a matter of sight or being a real dreamer. I could say the same about you, that you are a fraud if you cannot see the good, and the beauty in this life as well. 

When I fall asleep, I wake up inside of that sleep and I stay awake until I rise in the morning...I don't ever stop seeing, dreaming and projecting.

[Enoch]

I love this planet and it is beautiful. These are not things that are up for interpretation unless you disbelieve in god. And trust me he exists.

[Astir]

I can't trust you in this case. I'm sorry. I trust only what I feel...and I wouldn't say I don't believe in God. Or angels for that matter...

[Nay]

I love this planet and it is beautiful. These are not things that are up for interpretation unless you disbelieve in god. And trust me he exists.

Care to elaborate?

[Woah]

And trust me he exists.

He?

[Astir]

 

[gangta]

If we are to believe that we come from one supreme scource, if we belive that one energy created all that exists in this univeres, and personaly I do.
When did that scource i.e God, decidide to create demons? and why dont they incarnate (obviosly because there is no such thing). I dont believe there is anything in the non physical spirtual planes that dosent incarnate on earth, apart from higher guides and master guides etc, and to be honest does anyone truly believe there are any forms of life of a lower vibration than that which we find on our earth.
Demons only exist if fancyiful minds. Can any one evidance any different?

demons are nothing more than angels who rebelled against God. Lucifer (also known as satan, if you research you would find that a devil is a high ranking follower of Lucifer) was an angel who got other angels on his side, rebelled, and lost. demons arent the big fanged monsters that popular fiction shows you. and from experience i KNOW that they exist....and they are very very cunning.

[James S]

and from experience i KNOW that they exist....and they are very very cunning.

You know they exist?
Hmmm....

Think about something Talanay mentioned earlier - why is it that some people experience these things and others don't?

Very simple answer here - you create your own reality!!!

No that's not some new age waffle, it's being proven all the time through Quantum Mechanics - we affect the material world around us by our consciousness, by observing it. We make our own reality all the time based on our perceptions, which are "filtered" by our fears and our beliefs.

If your beliefs or fears of demonic beings are so ingrained into your thoughts you are going to make them a reality for yourself.
In which case, ask yourself - does this belief serve me or benefit me in any way? Is this belief making my life better?
If you cannot answer yes to any of these, then what is the point in bringing entities such as demons into your reality?

My experiences agree with Talanay.
There are no demons, biblical or otherwise around us.

The only demons I've ever experienced are those within my own ego.