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« on: September 28, 2011, 12:35:59 »

If so can they perceive the real time zone? How does one who was blind from birth perceive differently from one who went blind later?

Also I would encourage the blind to try contexting and report the results. The black and white static behind closed eyes can be used as anchors.  They should be able to get spiritual or physical perception like this. Email me if you know someone who tries this.
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« Reply #1 on: September 28, 2011, 13:08:16 »

Non-Physical perception is non-physical - meaning we dont use our physical eyes.  The only reason we perceive things visually is because thats what we are used to.  So yes, blind people can project.
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« Reply #2 on: September 28, 2011, 14:24:29 »

I've never heard from a blind projector. I think Robert Bruce talks about teaching blind people to project in Astral Dynamics. He might have written more about it on the internet somewhere idk.
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« Reply #3 on: September 28, 2011, 14:26:10 »

Blind people project, definitely.

However, what they "see" will depend upon what their concept of "seeing" is for them.

Someone who became blind throughout their life will still have a concept of "seeing".
Someone who was blind from birth has no "seeing" concept.
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« Reply #4 on: September 28, 2011, 15:03:06 »

It seems that they have "mind-sight", at least that is what it is called in their NDEs, that is a special way of sensing that does not necessarily translate into what we call 'visual' and still you can perceive, operate and navigate in 'astral' enviromnents.

Maybe it's is the same sense we use when we're out with "exit blindness" and still have some kind of perception thing going on. At least that is my experience, I think I already used 'mind-sight'.

Here's an interesting book on NDEs of the blind:

http://www.amazon.com/Mindsight-Near-Death-Out-Body-Experiences/dp/0966963008/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1303926623&sr=8-7

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"There is compelling evidence that the blind do "see" in those moments, but it is not sight as we think of it. Ring and Cooper uncover a kind of "transcendental awareness" they refer to as mindsight. It involves the strange experience of being able to perceive from all angles at once, from every focal depth at once, and a sense of "knowing" the subject, not just visually, but with a deep and inexplicable knowledge."
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« Reply #5 on: September 28, 2011, 17:05:06 »

Other states of consciousness are more than just visual appearances.
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« Reply #6 on: September 28, 2011, 18:54:06 »

My dad used to know a blind guy who took acid. He said he saw stuff when he was on it. Think he was blind from birth.
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« Reply #7 on: September 28, 2011, 23:08:54 »

 Blind people experiencing Astral Travel is exactly the reason Robert Bruce created his NEW Energy Wave Program.
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« Reply #8 on: September 29, 2011, 07:51:00 »

Robert Bruce must be a wise man. If we better understand how blind from birth people relate to the physical universe using the bridge of astral travel, then we can better understand how sight relates to the very concept of concept itself. It should help us better understand the concept of conciousness itself. For example how do the blind conceive of the 3 primary colours?

Mental telepathy relies on common anchor points or concepts for communication. So communication with an alien civilization, especially one on a differet plane to ours, is very challenging. Understanding the concept of concepts by understanding how we relate to the blind, may be the key to transcending understanding using words to understanding using concepts.

This in itself is a tricky concept to communicate.
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« Reply #9 on: September 29, 2011, 13:59:43 »

For example how do the blind conceive of the 3 primary colours?
They don't.  They would have no concept of "colour"... let alone what the 3 primary colours were.

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Mental telepathy relies on common anchor points or concepts for communication. So communication with an alien civilization, especially one on a differet plane to ours, is very challenging. Understanding the concept of concepts by understanding how we relate to the blind, may be the key to transcending understanding using words to understanding using concepts.
I can understand what you're saying here (I know, I'm baffled how that happened too Wink)...
When we communicate (ANY communication really, not limited to telepathy), we do so using symbols and metaphors.  Our language is nothing but a group of symbols and metaphors we use to communicate ideas and thoughts with.  Communication can happen with direct symbols, such as a picture. 

If I sent you a mental image of a man helping someone up off the ground with a smile on his face... what would I be saying here?  How you interpret it will come down to your personal set of symbols and metaphors. 
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« Reply #10 on: September 29, 2011, 17:12:27 »

I've had projections (ok, one) where I perceived everything as vibration.  I could tell mass and the sense of space by feeling vibration when in this state, and I 'kind of' remember translating it to color.  Of course, I am sighted, so I was able to make that interpretation, but I wouldn't be surprised that non-sighted people may translate this type of information into temperature (for example) since there is no frame of reference for 'color', unless they were born sighted and lost it later on.

Robert indeed developed tactile stimulation (now known as NEW) for the purpose of teaching energy work to blind people, since most energy work available usually relies on visualization.
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« Reply #11 on: November 29, 2011, 17:06:40 »

If anyone knows a blind person to try out the contexting process, I believe I have developed perception of the room around me using the closed eyes version.

http://unbelievableexistence.wikidot.com/closed-eye-contexting-writeup

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« Reply #12 on: December 06, 2011, 01:32:57 »

I rarely "see" during my explorations.  It's more of a "knowing" or receiving impressions.  For example, the other night I was milling around a belief system territory, interested in touring a hollow heaven and all.  I didn't *see* anything.  But I *knew* that I was looking at shiny white houses.  I did get an image, but I think the image followed the knowing, like my mind was just trying to fill in the blanks.

So, yes, blind people can project.  Sight is a concept that we hairless apes dreamed up.  There is no sight in consciousness.   grin
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« Reply #13 on: December 09, 2011, 10:28:03 »

I'm blind, I indeed astral protect.


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« Reply #14 on: December 09, 2011, 13:26:03 »

Hi,
 A documentary program on some medical procedure where a blind from birth person was operated on said the gift of sight was like he imagined it. The images of his house he created the feel of were like that of a cartoon. The reality of sight in comparison to what he imagined was very similar but seeing things in the distance took some adapting to. The texture of surfaces he said looked different as the various colours were so different to the feel of it. In his mind all the similar feel surfaces were the same. In his home for quite a while he found getting around easier with his eyes closed.
It would have been interesting to know if his dreams contained real images as his interpretation of objects were cartoon like.
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« Reply #15 on: December 11, 2011, 05:40:54 »

Another similar adventure to this point of context would be the relation between 'retardation vs intelligence'.  Not saying that blind people are retarded.  What I'm getting at is that the disabled perhaps have an excess of something, like 2000 HP but only 10 MP.  Hit Points, Magic Point, like in some games.

When anyone closes their eyes, they become blind.  But perhaps blind people who were born blind from birth actually see greater light.  Maybe they were people who died staring into the Sun.  They could have too much light on their lens.

Eyeballs have always disgusted and tormented me, personally.  I get shivers thinking about eyeballs.  Just really grosses me out.

Who said that here?  He's blind and he projects, or she.  Well, if someone cut my eyes out tomorrow, I know that there's a state of mind where the third eye is fully open and directly sees reality, like someone said, 'from all angles' or even from the angle of choice.  In my 'work', I use my third eye to focus fantasies and experience deep emotional states.  Perhaps blind people could use their third eye?  I know that goes without saying. 

Right now, I'm typing with my eyes closed.  It's harder to type when my eyes are closed, as if the extra energy from the light and the constant affirmation of words on the sreen is giving me a boost of output.  (ok I just checked)...  Closed my eyes again.  Now, I'm typing with my eyes closed.  There is no awareness of the computer, yet, I feel my other seneses opening.  Perhasps one way to build psychic energy is like in that one TMNT cokic, where they blindfold themselves and walk around the forest. 

Apparently my eyes are fine, yet I'm as blind as any other fool.  Just because we have eyes, or we think we are smart, is not an indication of psychic reality, intelligence, or even anything good.  Without my eyes, I'd have nothing.  Someone blind from birth would likely have intense empathy, sadness, but no regret over not having sight.

One can speculate endlessly and blame God and do all kinds of things to explain why and how blind people project.  I have a highly advanced third eye, and I can't project at all.  Perhaps we only have so much 'slots' to fill with energy, and if we don't balance it, we have deficiencies in our other 'stats'.  Like a game character at Level 99 with 10 HP and a Million MP.  Unless it had the magick defense and defense to balance out it's lack of HP, it wouldn't survive one attack at any point in the game.
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« Reply #16 on: January 30, 2012, 18:09:58 »

My original post was written in a hurry (limited connectivity).

The contexting process has been withdrawn, it is not recommended for use with blind people, or with anyone else.

It simply leads to demonic possession or psychosis.

Will write a more complete explanation when connectivity is available.
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« Reply #17 on: January 30, 2012, 18:41:44 »

In a forum I used to be a part of there was this female who had gone blind later in life. (She used some sort of system to type on her computer, or it was her husband doing it).
But anyway, she said she had projected out of body and saw the color of a chair in her house (it was red or something). She had never seen the chair color before, but upon asking her husband, he said it was the correct color.

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« Reply #18 on: January 30, 2012, 22:44:52 »

GodsProxy - what the hell happened?

What were you exactly doing and what did that site tell you to do?
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« Reply #19 on: January 30, 2012, 23:03:09 »

 GodsProxy, there are 2 different Timelines currently parallel to each other. One leads to bliss, the other leads to destruction. I have seen both and possibly you have as well, the one with destruction has fire everywhere and all kinds of brutal destruction, so I could see this as a representation of Hell. The other one though is where the human race awakens to our full potential, where we finally find out exactly how strong we are and how much power we have over what occurs in our lives. This one leads to happiness, this one leads to what people are calling "ascension" and this one also could be what everyone calls Heaven. Do not fear because we do have a choice which pathway mankind will follow. The only problem I see is I don't think people are becoming aware fast enough to see the truth. Talk to people anywhere and you will find that they are changing. Some are being forced to change through loss of a job or some other life event. I believe that right now our consciousness is being altered during our sleep. With some people this is the only way that change can occur. Mark my words here, you will see extreme changes in the next 2 months here on earth. But through the chaos shall come order and that's what we need right now in this world.  smiley
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« Reply #20 on: January 30, 2012, 23:37:34 »

Godsproxy, what the heck are you talking about and why do you feel this way? I agree that they are Hellish type environments one should avoid, but bringing religion in sort of has nothing to do with it. Possessions are a whole other thing! So before people get the wrong idea, can you please clarify your "warning" further and a little more clear for the rest of us?
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« Reply #21 on: January 31, 2012, 01:07:02 »

Agreed lionheart - golden age here we come
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« Reply #22 on: January 31, 2012, 16:14:13 »

think of it this way we percieve the world as "we" percieve it. change one thing and the world becomes alien but is it alien no its still the same so thus a blind man/woman still can.      if we viewed the world by infrared would that change any aspect other than our vision of the world?? no id still all be the same just look different
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