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« Reply #25 on: September 07, 2016, 19:17:49 »

Do you know how all of those countries got to be Christian in the first place? It was a wonderful bouquet of inquisitions, torture, genocides, a bunch of wars on the side. Did I mention multiple genocides? Somewhere between one third and one half of the entire population of southern France is estimated to have been killed during a single war, the Albiginsian Crusade. They were all killed because they believed in a different kind of Christianity where Jesus was just a teacher, eating meat was bad and reincarnation was real. That was just one war. The Saxons also had a genocide committed against them by Charlemagne, in the name of Christianity, acting as the Holy Roman Emperor. Then there were the Native Americans...

I'm just providing the other side of the coin here. Christianity has a lot of politics baked into its doctrines and historical roots in pagan sun-worship, but that's another subject we could talk about if you like.

Nearly every statement you made is false.

The Inquisition didn't even exist until Christianity was over 1000 years old and had already spread throughout all of Europe.
The Cathars were responsible for starting the war called the Albigensian Crusade when they assassinated a Vatican Diplomat trying to negotiate with them in Languedoc (Please stop killing priests and burning our churches).
There was no genocide against the Saxons by Charlemagne... just standard run of the mill territorial conquest. He was made Holy Roman Emperor AFTER he completed his conquests.
The VAST majority of Native Americans died from smallpox and other diseases that they had no immunity to. Christianity had essentially nothing to do with it.
Christianity has to have its roots in something -- everything does.


EDIT; You ask -- "Do you know how all of those countries got to be Christian in the first place?"

Yes, I do. Christianity spread peacefully throughout the Roman Empire for hundreds of years DESPITE brutal persecution by Roman Authorities
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« Reply #26 on: September 07, 2016, 21:51:19 »

The Cathars were responsible for starting the war called the Albigensian Crusade when they assassinated a Vatican Diplomat trying to negotiate with them in Languedoc (Please stop killing priests and burning our churches).
hmmm ...  one murder of an innocent priest justifies the ensuing mass murder of many innocent people who happen to belong a specific creed that was not mainstream at the time - a 'war' which some call genocide- at least so regarded by some historians ..
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« Reply #27 on: September 07, 2016, 22:09:31 »

hmmm ...  one murder of an innocent priest justifies the ensuing mass murder of many innocent people who happen to belong a specific creed that was not mainstream at the time - a 'war' which some call genocide- at least so regarded by some historians ..

There are a LOT of Christian hating anti-Catholic bigots masquerading as 'historians'.

The assassination of a diplomat is generally recognized as being an act of war. And as usual, this was not an isolated event. The Cathar nobility routinely murdered Catholic priests in the region and burned their churches to the ground. Rome had been negotiating peacefully for many years in hopes of settling their differences peacefully. The murder of Legate Pierre de Castelnau was just the last straw.

All wars of that period led to mass murder. That is the way things were done in those days. Calling it genocide is ahistorical nonsense.
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« Reply #28 on: September 08, 2016, 00:06:43 »

And seeing as this has moved well beyond the scope of this thread... locking it up.
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