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« Reply #90 on: October 20, 2005, 07:16:46 »

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Frank build himself a pretty strong reputation here over the years. Helping many in their quest for either phasing and/or OBE. Everyone who as taken the time to read his posts will recognize his great knowledge.

Up to there, he is a generous fellow, helping others. Then money leaks in.

He figured that since so many wanted that he write a book on the subject, he started. Then why not make a special class and charge money for it.

There's a slippage here. Exchanging with the members of the Astral Pulse, on a free basis, giving some of his time even in exchanging emails with some...to hey! why not make a buck out of this!

Now there's absolutely nothing wrong with this.

So he puts up his newsletter, and if you take the time to read it...what a sell pitch!!! The best there is in marketing.

He offer private tutorials for a fee. That's still OK, he has every right to be paid for his time.

He even gives out his personal home address to prove that he is a real person not a company. He adds to this the "Frank Keeble Foundation" and ask to those who are willing to make donations.

Now that's two source of money coming in.

He makes his group for the Virtual Classroom, member pay through PayPal. Then he tells the member that he is sick.

No news for a while. Some ask for a refund then, no reply from Frank. He gives members 3 weeks to either stay or ask for a refund. After 6-7 weeks no more news.

I wish like everybody here that this whole thing is just a misunderstanding. That Frank has health problems which are preventing him from giving any news. I wish that its nothing serious and that he will recover.

Now some facts. The home address that he gave DOES NOT EXIST. There's one in a nearby town which exist, BUT NO ONE BY THAT NAME LIVES THERE.

As much as I would like to beleive that Frank is an honest fellow, this whole thing smells bad. And it is LEGITIMATE TO ASK QUESTIONS.


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I am addressing your post because it seems like you have the most initiative, and also the fairest approach of those who strongly question Frank's motives. Also, your points are quite persuasive.

Based on probability and intuition, however, I have to disagree with even the slight probability that Frank is a con artist. Seriously consider what you would do if you were in Frank's position and you were a con artist. He would have invested so much time and energy into this con that he could have really made it pay off. I'm a new member here and after reading his newsletters and some posts, I was ready to pay for the book ASAP, without proof or anything!

He could have made a lot of money for 3 seconds of work by posting: "My new book is ready. Here is how you buy it." But he didn't, and therefore it cannot be a con. It really is the strongest point, none of the others, for or against, even matter comparatively. Unless you have a good suggestion as to why he wouldn't capitalize on this last, easy opportunity, then I think it's a finished argument. Adrian even said he knows for a fact that Frank's book is near completion, and I see no reason to disbelieve him.

I really do think, based on the nature of his work, that he is probably undergoing some kind of illness/crisis which has caused his life to fall apart, but that's obviously just speculation. Frank was obviously an expert in the field; forget the "he doesn't have a book nonsense". There is practically a book's worth of material in his newsletters and posts. Contrary to other opinions, these works of his do form a very cohesive, although not complete body of work, including the method Frank himself recommends.

I would be ticked too if my money was taken without explanation, and I think every step you are taking is the right one. I just want to suggest that you think about my point and if you have a reply, by all means! I am just trying to break the matter down into its composite parts in order to give the most accurate possible representation of the reality of the situation.
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« Reply #91 on: October 20, 2005, 11:13:45 »

Thanks for the info RooJ, thing is I don't have any money involved, so I probably won't invest too much time in finding Frank right now  (Maybe a corporate effort I would support). As you said, it is probably the best to wait it out. I just thought maybe a computer crackerjack could find some infos with a few mouse clicks.

An the other hand if I find Franks manuscript I could sell it to you guys and make some cash  wink
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« Reply #92 on: October 20, 2005, 13:25:45 »

Hi hotshotrobot,

I agree with what you pointed out in your post. I am also leaning towards Frank's health being the source of all of this situation.

Some things are troublesome though. The ones I mentioned, the home address that HE gave to convince, and which comes out to be nonexistent is one. Another one is the final communication that he made with the members of his class in which he stated that he was giving the members 3 weeks to wait him out or ask for a refund.

This can go both ways. He wanted to be honest and refund those who didn't want to stay after this first delay because of his health problem. Another way to see this could also be that he was giving himself time.

Problem is that some members had already ask for a refund through many emails which Frank never answered. At that time, if he was able to send us an email why didn't he answer theses asking for a refund ?

I can easily comprehend that if after that last message his health tumbled down that he was in a position unable to communicate with the member's class. But why didn't he answer the previous one and make the refunds ?

I also agree that the con artist possibility seems ridiculous, for the same reasons that you, and others, have mentioned.

Every one here who have read Frank's posts respected him for his generosity and for his knowledge in phasing and classic OBE. Then go and read his sell-pitch on his newsletter offer.  Marketing at its best! A con artist couldn't have done a better job.

Fact is that he didn't need to do this to have members of the Astral Pulse join his classroom. We all trusted him. He had the utmost credibility for anyone wanting to learn

As for the money involved, nobody knows the amount. There's the classroom and the Foundation. We can only speculate.

I'm as baffled as everyone. Both conclusion are plausible, and each has an Achilles heel.

As you pointed out, it is hard to understand why he would do this when a lots money would have resulted from his published book.

As for myself, I deeply wish that this is all a misunderstanding, that he will come "back in the Land of the living" as he wrote. That he will explain everything and do what every members of his class wish for....teach!
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« Reply #93 on: October 23, 2005, 13:34:33 »

OK i jsut read a couple of Franks older posts and realized that he can not be a con artist the mere thought seems ridiculous. He was such a nice and helpful person I would bet all my money that he is honest. grin
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« Reply #94 on: October 24, 2005, 05:57:42 »

ya know he said he was on the verge of discovering the secret of linear time... maybe he ripped a hole in the spacetime continuum and was deleted from this timeline or something crazy like that! ha heres hoping the lad's ok.
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« Reply #95 on: October 24, 2005, 20:58:19 »

Hello everyone,

For the Internet detectives among you let me assure you that I have the last IP address that Frank posted with and it belongs to the same ISP that he has always used in France. I can fully understand your effiorts to investigate this under the circumstances.

I would like to thank everyone for your positive observations on the character of Frank. I know how much time Frank has put into writing his book and you can be sure that there is no way he would have done that for it all to come to nothing.

I also know that Frank was totally motivated to help others with Astral Projection based upon his own vast experience and the immense amount of time he has freely given to people on these forums over the last three years. And this is why he thought a course would also be a good idea.

What little I do know of Frank's current situation I do know that it is not good from a health point of view, and that is an understatement.

I am fully confident that if Frank is able to return to the Internet he will carry on where he left off. In the meantime the best thing everyone can do is to send him as much healing energy as you can.

As always, everyone can feel completely free to contact me about this or any other issue.

Best regards,

Adrian.
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« Reply #96 on: October 25, 2005, 10:03:04 »

Thanks for the updata Adrian, I appreciate it very much!
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« Reply #97 on: October 25, 2005, 18:33:00 »

Adrian, you said that you know little, but u know something. Do you know or have an idea of the problem/disease affecting him? Or you dont have any idea about it? Or you know but u dont want to reveal, since is a personal thing? If is the last option, u can say it (i think...i speak for myself) and i will respect that. I was just curious about Frank situation..i dont like to know that he is living a very bad problem.

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« Reply #98 on: October 25, 2005, 18:44:51 »

I think it's clear that the exact details are considered personal and are to remain so for the immediate future.

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« Reply #99 on: October 25, 2005, 19:06:02 »

oh! ok...so, Adrian knows the problem. It must be a bad one, or he wouldnt call for our help for pray (or send healing energy) to him.
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« Reply #100 on: October 25, 2005, 21:53:05 »

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I think it's clear that the exact details are considered personal and are to remain so for the immediate future.

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Is it? I never have heard that anybody said that he knew for a fact what Frank is going thru. If somebody knows I would like to hear about it. I don't mean he should say specific what Frank has (this is personal I understand) but he should clearly state that he personally knows the truth.

Do you know it Gandalf?
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« Reply #101 on: October 26, 2005, 12:44:10 »

Somehow you guys keep on missing the point
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« Reply #102 on: October 27, 2005, 06:56:24 »

yeah this is no kiddy club business this is serious stuff. I think the people who payed money deserve to know the truth if anyone is aware. maybe send them pms?
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« Reply #103 on: October 27, 2005, 13:52:10 »

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What little I do know of Frank's current situation I do know that it is not good from a health point of view, and that is an understatement.

I am fully confident that if Frank is able to return to the Internet he will carry on where he left off. In the meantime the best thing everyone can do is to send him as much healing energy as you can.

As always, everyone can feel completely free to contact me about this or any other issue.

Best regards,

Adrian.


Hi Adrian,

Although I am also leaning on the health situation of Frank in all this turmoil, I have difficulties with your position.

Either you KNOW something or you DON'T. Are you just speculating, or basing your affirmation on a logical assumption and/or rumors?

I would like you to clarify this. If you do KNOW then why not tell us precisely what the situation is. I'm not asking about a medical diagnosis or anything personal.

The worse in all of this is that we are left with basic facts which leads us to conclude that this was a scam. In the same token, I myself, for all the reasons you and other have pointed out, can't believe that the man who wrote in the Astral Pulse for all those years could have done something like this.

The little I know about Frank, is from reading his posts. The man is intelligent, to say the least. In reading his sell pitch, he goes a long way to secure people that he his not a con artist and he even explain his motives.

In saying this I'm thinking that he must have come across scam artists in his life and wants to tell people that he is not one.

If he was with those of us who have paid for the Virtual Classroom, caught in this situation, I believe he would be with us trying to find out.
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« Reply #104 on: October 27, 2005, 16:00:18 »

It would be helpful if people who keep on about 'those who want their money back' to look at the facts:

All the transactions were fully refundable through the third party, so nobody has to 'be looking for their money'. They can easily get it back themselves; most have already done so.

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