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« on: July 29, 2017, 21:08:03 »

So I heard Tom Campbell talking about the larger consciousness system, and how this system is still evolving. So my question is do we tap into this system? Like can we devolve or evolve based on where we are in this larger consciousness system? Like is this thing objectively out there and we are somewhere on this larger consciousness tree?

EDIT: I guess what I am really trying to ask is does a highly evolved being have better access to this higher consciousness system than a lower evolved being? Like are we someplace on the consciousnesses system scale? Or do we all have equal access anyplace on this consciousness system scale if given the chance? As you can see I have a hard time explaining what I really am asking. Put I hope you understand.

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« Reply #1 on: July 30, 2017, 01:23:35 »

So I heard Tom Campbell talking about the larger consciousness system, and how this system is still evolving. So my question is do we tap into this system?
You *ARE* the system.  Or at least one small piece of it.  However, small the piece you are, within you contains the entire system.
You have access to everything that every is, was, or shall be through the simple fact of what you are: Consciousness.

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Like can we devolve or evolve based on where we are in this larger consciousness system? Like is this thing objectively out there and we are somewhere on this larger consciousness tree?
Like physically evolve or devolve?  No. 
The physical portion of you is what it is... it's part of this physical reality.

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EDIT: I guess what I am really trying to ask is does a highly evolved being have better access to this higher consciousness system than a lower evolved being? Like are we someplace on the consciousnesses system scale? Or do we all have equal access anyplace on this consciousness system scale if given the chance? As you can see I have a hard time explaining what I really am asking. Put I hope you understand.
In a nutshell, yes.  EVERYONE has the same kind of potential access to the larger consciousness system, but it requires (as Tom would put it) one of a lower entropy in order to be able to listen to it.
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« Reply #2 on: July 30, 2017, 03:12:21 »

In my view, consciousness is a dimension, like x, y, z, ... You can move on it, and are constrained by your level of development as a soul.

Although we all have the same potential, we're at widely different stages of development, and we develop at different rates.

An infinite Universe has to be in eternal expansion.
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« Reply #3 on: July 30, 2017, 03:43:33 »

So I heard Tom Campbell talking about the larger consciousness system, and how this system is still evolving. So my question is do we tap into this system? Like can we devolve or evolve based on where we are in this larger consciousness system? Like is this thing objectively out there and we are somewhere on this larger consciousness tree?

EDIT: I guess what I am really trying to ask is does a highly evolved being have better access to this higher consciousness system than a lower evolved being? Like are we someplace on the consciousnesses system scale? Or do we all have equal access anyplace on this consciousness system scale if given the chance? As you can see I have a hard time explaining what I really am asking. Put I hope you understand.

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Your personal evolution or de-evolution isn't based on where you participate in the larger consciousness system; your consciousness level can be influenced by your environment but it is ultimately personal. The system as a whole however, can evolve or devolve based on your individual contribution. It is objectively out there. You are part of the human society larger consciousness group, the planet earth system, and all the systems that are a super-set of ours.

Access to the system can be based on a number of factors. One example is do you have the personal quality to receive telepathic communication without being blocked by conflicting personal beliefs or do you have the language processing skills required to give context to an alien idea in human terms?

Adding to the above, there may be rules built into our reality system that govern what type of telepathic communication can be accessed. The system may be intelligent enough to predict the growth outcome of any given piece of information and choose to deny it if it is likely to cause you to have an inflated ego or you intend to share the information with someone who isn't ready to handle it.

Being participant in higher reality systems also requires a code of conduct and playing by the rules. If your quality of consciousness is too low to participate with the adults without making a fool of yourself you are limited to the children's table.

The larger consciousness system is a real system that comprises an unimaginable quantity of sub-systems each with unique rules and participants. Many of us have been "kicked out" of experiences for behaving in low quality manners. I have been asked to leave a reality by the inhabits before after breaking an entering into someone's house. It is really hard to tell what is actually going on when this happens to be fair so I wouldn't cement any beliefs.
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« Reply #4 on: July 30, 2017, 19:20:34 »

You have access to everything that every is, was, or shall be
Thanks for your informative reply.
Do you believe there is free will based on the above quote? Thanks.
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« Reply #5 on: July 30, 2017, 19:22:44 »

An infinite Universe has to be in eternal expansion.
So do you believe that one day we will all eventually go back into our source, god? Thanks for chiming in.
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« Reply #6 on: July 30, 2017, 19:44:12 »

Adding to the above, there may be rules built into our reality system that govern what type of telepathic communication can be accessed. The system may be intelligent enough to predict the growth outcome of any given piece of information and choose to deny it if it is likely to cause you to have an inflated ego or you intend to share the information with someone who isn't ready to handle it.

Being participant in higher reality systems also requires a code of conduct and playing by the rules. If your quality of consciousness is too low to participate with the adults without making a fool of yourself you are limited to the children's table.

The larger consciousness system is a real system that comprises an unimaginable quantity of sub-systems each with unique rules and participants. Many of us have been "kicked out" of experiences for behaving in low quality manners. I have been asked to leave a reality by the inhabits before after breaking an entering into someone's house. It is really hard to tell what is actually going on when this happens to be fair so I wouldn't cement any beliefs.
I have lost a lot of trust in the physical for spiritual growth. Do you think I can eventually evolve into these higher consciousness realms without coming back to the physical? I think I know what the answer is but I want to know what you think. Thanks for chiming in.
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« Reply #7 on: July 30, 2017, 20:21:58 »

So do you believe that one day we will all eventually go back into our source, god? Thanks for chiming in.

I don't think so. I tend to believe in a continuous infinite development. I don't see the purpose to return where we started from. We sprung as points of potential awareness, and went a long way to develop our range of access on the consciousness dimension.
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« Reply #8 on: July 30, 2017, 20:52:18 »

I don't think so. I tend to believe in a continuous infinite development. I don't see the purpose to return where we started from. We sprung as points of potential awareness, and went a long way to develop our range of access on the consciousness dimension.
That's a lot harder for me to take seriously. So how did all this stuff come into existence in the first place?
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« Reply #9 on: July 30, 2017, 21:01:27 »

Funny that nothing really changed on the Pulse. Everybody is still telling their own self-fulfilling beliefs and conversations are coming out from it lol.

I guess it could help many, to learn to phase or just program yourself to be conscious through sleep at night and try to find these out by yourself guys/girls. One thing is that you believe in something which is comfortable enough to cover what you don't know, and the other thing is you know something for sure from first hand experience, right?

There is no development in to believe something and try to cling on it, no matter what. I guess people should experience the belief system territories first hand to stop this. There is nothing wrong believing in something, it gives power in thyself but I think some people should grow up. Eventually your truth is only yours and it is up to you (everybody) to change your mind and get move on to what is existing and what is illusion in your mind.
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« Reply #10 on: July 30, 2017, 21:18:59 »

Funny that nothing really changed on the Pulse. Everybody is still telling their own self-fulfilling beliefs and conversations are coming out from it lol.

I guess it could help many, to learn to phase or just program yourself to be conscious through sleep at night and try to find these out by yourself guys/girls. One thing is that you believe in something which is comfortable enough to cover what you don't know, and the other thing is you know something for sure from first hand experience, right?

There is no development in to believe something and try to cling on it, no matter what. I guess people should experience the belief system territories first hand to stop this. There is nothing wrong believing in something, it gives power in thyself but I think some people should grow up. Eventually your truth is only yours and it is up to you (everybody) to change your mind and get move on to what is existing and what is illusion in your mind.
Before I came to the pulse I was a wreak with my beliefs. I was stuck in a rut. I made some really bad mistakes in my life because I devoid of the light of reality, and I suffered a lot because of it, and still do, as I feel like my health condition was caused in part from my poor choices in the past. So I've placed a high value in attaining the right mindset. And even the Buddha acknowledges the importance of the right beliefs when he gives the "right understanding" at the top of the eight-fold path. It is the most important aspect of spiritual growth in Buddhism. So I hope you can understand why I place such a high emphasis on right understanding of the nature of reality.
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« Reply #11 on: July 30, 2017, 22:48:56 »

Thanks for your informative reply.
Do you believe there is free will based on the above quote? Thanks.
What does free will have to do with it?
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« Reply #12 on: July 31, 2017, 00:51:36 »

What does free will have to do with it?
Well considering this quote "You have access to everything that every is, was, or shall be" it makes it seem like you believe in determinism. Because if I have access to everything that will be that means that it's a solid state.
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« Reply #13 on: July 31, 2017, 13:01:26 »

Well considering this quote "You have access to everything that every is, was, or shall be" it makes it seem like you believe in determinism. Because if I have access to everything that will be that means that it's a solid state.
Ok, let me clarify that statement then...
You have access to the potentiality of everything that is, was, or shall be.
You can ultimately take only ONE path through your life.  Each choice you make fuels the next in some way.
The "free will" choices you make essentially determines the *YOU* you become and the spiritual growth you attain.
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« Reply #14 on: July 31, 2017, 14:00:04 »

I guess Xanth meant by the way that you are doing your own job by developing in this world, and your choices are making the potential future in your life. Your past is already happened, that is still You, your path. The future is not a static thing, because we are living in the eternal now in the NP and here, in the illusion of physical space/time, we see separation in time passing too. The you one week or month later not will be the same as now, because everything is in motion, development etc... You are becoming.

The vast majority is chosing to be in fear, hatred and brainwashed, unintelligent, that is free will too.
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« Reply #15 on: July 31, 2017, 16:12:42 »

Ok, let me clarify that statement then...
You have access to the potentiality of everything that is, was, or shall be.
You can ultimately take only ONE path through your life.  Each choice you make fuels the next in some way.
The "free will" choices you make essentially determines the *YOU* you become and the spiritual growth you attain.
Oh OK thanks for that clarification.
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« Reply #16 on: July 31, 2017, 16:17:50 »

I guess Xanth meant by the way that you are doing your own job by developing in this world, and your choices are making the potential future in your life. Your past is already happened, that is still You, your path. The future is not a static thing, because we are living in the eternal now in the NP and here, in the illusion of physical space/time, we see separation in time passing too. The you one week or month later not will be the same as now, because everything is in motion, development etc... You are becoming.

The vast majority is chosing to be in fear, hatred and brainwashed, unintelligent, that is free will too.
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« Reply #17 on: July 31, 2017, 16:21:11 »

OK well my original question has been answered I think. Thanks.  smiley
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« Reply #18 on: July 31, 2017, 20:54:53 »

I have lost a lot of trust in the physical for spiritual growth. Do you think I can eventually evolve into these higher consciousness realms without coming back to the physical? I think I know what the answer is but I want to know what you think. Thanks for chiming in.

I am only saying this to give you some extra information to consider so forgive the slap in the face from the fish of reality to come, haha. I am going to go out on a limb and say you haven't lost trust in the physical for spiritual growth. The physical reality is just a tool; spiritual growth is always an internally driven mechanic. Perhaps you have lost trust in the effectiveness of the tool, but more likely you have lost trust in your own ability to use the tool to drive your internal growth.

If you have trouble overcoming the challenges of physical reality, the same challenges will find you in higher consciousness realms because the issue is actually hard coded into your being, it isn't an artifact of the system. Jumping to a reality where things are already in a state of bliss is comparable to the fantasies we create in our minds to hide and avoid confronting the fears we have in this reality.

Back to the bottom line - you most certainly can evolve into higher realities without coming back here. It would be niave to think that there is only one way, furthermore, the fact that you may have recognized problems with your core consciousness gives you a leg up to resume the journey in other systems. The fundamental question is how fast will the progress be? Ten thousand years of non physical reality learning may be equivalent to one life-time's lessons in the physical. It all depends on how capable you have become at driving your own growth.
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« Reply #19 on: July 31, 2017, 21:55:53 »

Any virtual reality (physical) system with constraints and boundaries are great learning experiences for spiritual growth.
That's why so many exist "out there".
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« Reply #20 on: July 31, 2017, 22:16:06 »

That's a lot harder for me to take seriously. So how did all this stuff come into existence in the first place?

As you wrote that you don't take my opinions seriously, I don't see any reason for wasting my time further.
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« Reply #21 on: August 01, 2017, 02:37:30 »

As you wrote that you don't take my opinions seriously, I don't see any reason for wasting my time further.
I wouldn't take Plasma very seriously, or literal... he doesn't even know what he wants.
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« Reply #22 on: August 01, 2017, 06:05:21 »

That's a lot harder for me to take seriously. So how did all this stuff come into existence in the first place?

As you wrote that you don't take my opinions seriously, I don't see any reason for wasting my time further.

I can answer on how the cosmos developed. The origins of existence is, and will probably remain, unknowable for us fundamentally. An easy example is to imagine an artificial intelligence program running in a computer in our physical reality. We control the inputs and outputs in the AI's reality and unless we choose to make it otherwise it will never have access to our layer of reality.

Computer hardware supports the existence of the AI's consciousness. The structure-able energy that can be used to form consciousness that we often refer to as "source" is our version of the computer hardware. We can't know where the source comes from any more than the AI can without finding a way to be beyond what we are, consciousness.

What we can understand is how consciousness comes into existence given a blank canvas of source energy and the ability to modify that energy semi-randomly. Imagine developing the AI from absolute scratch by semi-randomly flipping bits for billions of years of simulation time until some real Boolean logical circuits happen to get made. The key is that the random circuits that don't do anything for the first billion years are irrelevant, whereas the first successful circuit leads to increased rate of additional success and complexity.

It may sound unlikely that complexity can emerge from randomness, but look at it this way; there are billions of planets in our universe and the odds that we ended up on one of them that supports life sounds unlikely. In reality, our existence is derived from the fact that this planet is the one that supports life. We are here, thus our planet was the one. Consciousness evolves because it is what works in a sea of randomness.
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« Reply #23 on: August 01, 2017, 18:17:22 »

I can answer on how the cosmos developed. ... We are here, thus our planet was the one. Consciousness evolves because it is what works in a sea of randomness.

Nice try ...  smiley

I think I can poke a few holes ...

"Life" doesn't have to be like our life. There can be intelligent life in unimaginable other forms.

If the Universe started with a Big Bang, what was there before?

In an infinite Universe every probability is "1"!

If we can build an Universe in a computer, who has built us, who has built those, ... ?

In my opinion there are an infinite number of things we can't comprehend with our human intelligence. Fortunately we don't really need to know them to get on with our lives on Earth. We should better concentrate on more useful and answerable questions like what am I supposed to do? why am I here? Then, through trial, error, learning, correction, more trial, ... etc. go on. It's nice to philosophize, and shoot the breeze, from time to time ... only.

I met extremely few people that have an idea what is their life lesson they're supposed to learn / experience. Most people don't even think that there might be such a lesson.
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« Reply #24 on: August 01, 2017, 21:58:20 »

Nice try ...  smiley

I think I can poke a few holes ...
Be my guest. I love it.

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"Life" doesn't have to be like our life. There can be intelligent life in unimaginable other forms.
Indeed, the AI I proposed wouldn't be like our life in my opinion. It would be more comparable to a piece of computer hardware, scientifically organized into a structure that is most effective for living in the computer. It might be nothing like us because it's consciousness is fundamental to a blank slate reality and is built from scratch whereas our consciousness is derivative in origin and sculpted by a specific reality rule set (this one).

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If the Universe started with a Big Bang, what was there before?
Our universe may have started with a Big Bang event, but said event is by no means fundamental. In my AI example the Big Bang would simply be a VR simulation performed by the AI for the purpose of generating new experience data to explore. Everything we know and can experience at every level of reality is part of the simulation. It starts with the AI creating itself from the "source energy" of consciousness by semi random actions over a long time scale. The origins of the source energy itself is a mystery.

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In an infinite Universe every probability is "1"!
There is no infinite universe or infinite anything in the AI paradigm. We are talking about real systems, real intelligence, limited and bounded energy. If our AI unit has a measurable quantifiable beginning, it has a measurable non infinite current state of growth no matter how infinite it may seem to be relative to us.

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If we can build an Universe in a computer, who has built us, who has built those, ... ?
The point of the AI example is that we aren't the ones doing the building. We just provided the "source energy" for the AI to build both itself, and its own personal universes. Thus we have escaped the infinite loop of what came before the beginning. All we need to know is that given "source energy" consciousness is capable of self creation - that is enough to explain everything knowable for those in the consciousness system. Is there another layer of reality beyond consciousness and its source energy? Probably, but we can't conceptualize it as consciousness beings.

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In my opinion there are an infinite number of things we can't comprehend with our human intelligence. Fortunately we don't really need to know them to get on with our lives on Earth. We should better concentrate on more useful and answerable questions like what am I supposed to do? why am I here? Then, through trial, error, learning, correction, more trial, ... etc. go on. It's nice to philosophize, and shoot the breeze, from time to time ... only.

I met extremely few people that have an idea what is their life lesson they're supposed to learn / experience. Most people don't even think that there might be such a lesson.
In my opinion it is near infinite, real infinite is a paradox even at the conceptual level of "God". You are correct, we don't need to know the origins of "source energy" to get on with what is relevant to us as consciousness beings. Don't be too quick to think that the what and why questions can't be answered by big thinking though, that is the purpose of big thinking. The ultimate truth of what and why may be fundamentally derived from the origins of our existence as consciousness.

The way I see it, if consciousness life is self creating, you have a double ended scale. Non existence, and developed existence. It should be pretty clear that non existence isn't a very useful state compared to existing. If we have to exist, the big what and why of life is how do we best exist? Full circle back to trial, error, correction as you pointed out.
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