Mankind and space travel

[cainam_nazier]

The ones I have seen are on small scale mostly using an electrical current.  Most are constructed with tin foil in a triangular shape.  I do not know if it is true anti gravity but basically a magnetic field is created that pushes away from the ground.  The only problem is that they A) use 10 to 15 amps at 115 V to get a about one pound of material off the ground, and B) they are highly unstable.  Of the different ones I have seen no one has been able to build one with it's own separate power source because they can't get enough lift to pick up more than a pound or two.  Most are tethered to the ground by the same cord that supplies the power.

I could be wrong but most are listed as an "anti gravity" devise.

I see if I can pull up some of the links to different web sights and video when I get home.

[Rob]

Ah, you are talking about lifter craft I think. Hehe I did my final year reseach project on them   .
Well, there are some definately peculiarities they display. Most interesting are the fully insulated layered type designs in Brown original patents (name thomas townsend brown, if you like I can send you the patents), since this would seem to rule out ion movement. Another oddity is the increased thrust efficiency at certain frequencies, and another I identified is that thrust should be much higher when the wire is connected to the foil, but instead thrust drops to like 1/6th its normal setup value. Yeah they are often listed as AG a lot of the time but frankly thats jumping to conclusions a bit! IMO they are interesting and havent been researched enough, but a lot of their operation could still be down to ion movements. However there are some big problems with this model, which is the main hurdle in research. All the models we have are all very incomplete.
I dont think they can lift one or two pounds though! Like, max I have seen is a coupla hundred grams (and a small mouse   ). Power source  needs to be above 15kV, and ampage is in the mA region and below usually. Power to thrust efficiency is approaching, at best, half that of a helicopter I believe. Main reason they cant take off with supply is, as you have said, not enough thrust to carry a very high volt PS.
Interesting topic though, to be sure. Jean-Louis Naudin site has some of the best info out there IMO - http://jnaudin.free.fr (and lots of other cool stuff as well!!!!)

[The AlphaOmega]

So I guess once again we're faced with machine vs man.  If we do have such anti gravity devices, capable of galactic exploration, should we be content in using those for our understanding of the physical universe.  Or is it necessary, for some reason, to attempt to make such travel available to humans.  This is our planet.  This is where we've evolved.  What reasons, if any, do we have to explore space or step foot on other planets?  Our desire for the knowledge of truth has pushed us to explore space using many different tools.  But should humanity be concerned with putting ourselves in that environment as well?  Naturally we can spend a lot of money used for space exploration to help ourselves and our only one true planet.  But we continue to spend it gaining knowledge of our solar system.  Should we be content with our current method of space exploration?  Simply put, is it really necessary for man to travel space?

[cainam_nazier]

www.americanantigravity.com is a good site.  I couldn't remember what they were actually called.  It's been a while since I first saw them.  But even then it I had the impression that they were cool and all but really wouldn't go any where.  I will admit that most of my understanding of physics and other advanced sciences is self taught so I can be a little sketchy on details some times since I lack the actual schooling to go with it.

Alpha,

Yes I personally feel that it is important for us to get out there.  I truly believe that if we were to get out there and learn once and for all if there is anybody else in the universe it would have a more unifying effect on humans as a whole.  I believe that there are others out there.  If that is the case it would be one of the best platforms for global unification of goals for the human race.  I kinda hate to say it but much the same effect as in Star Trek.  I would like to believe that when faced with hard evidence people would take a harder look at what we are doing to ourselves on the global level.  

But of course if the opposite is true and we travel all over hell and creation to find that's it, it's just us.  That too could have a very unifying effect.  To learn that we are that special again could force a lot of people to step back and look at what we do.  Because at that point it would be simply that no one is going to help us figure things out.  There would be no out side voice to say, "You know what, maybe that's not such a good idea."

I dunno, I guess my whole point is that we and species need some thing to force the realization that a unified planet doesn't mean the end of personal beliefs.  That we can work together to end poverty, disease and still take pride in our individual differences in stead of condemning others for being different.

[CFTraveler]

www.americanantigravity.com is a good site.  I couldn't remember what they were actually called.  It's been a while since I first saw them.  But even then it I had the impression that they were cool and all but really wouldn't go any where.  I will admit that most of my understanding of physics and other advanced sciences is self taught so I can be a little sketchy on details some times since I lack the actual schooling to go with it.
Alpha,
Yes I personally feel that it is important for us to get out there.  I truly believe that if we were to get out there and learn once and for all if there is anybody else in the universe it would have a more unifying effect on humans as a whole.  I believe that there are others out there.  If that is the case it would be one of the best platforms for global unification of goals for the human race.  I kinda hate to say it but much the same effect as in Star Trek.  I would like to believe that when faced with hard evidence people would take a harder look at what we are doing to ourselves on the global level.  

But of course if the opposite is true and we travel all over hell and creation to find that's it, it's just us.  That too could have a very unifying effect.  To learn that we are that special again could force a lot of people to step back and look at what we do.  Because at that point it would be simply that no one is going to help us figure things out.  There would be no out side voice to say, "You know what, maybe that's not such a good idea."

I dunno, I guess my whole point is that we and species need some thing to force the realization that a unified planet doesn't mean the end of personal beliefs.  That we can work together to end poverty, disease and still take pride in our individual differences in stead of condemning others for being different.

I agree completely.  I want to also add that there are things that have helped humankind as a side-effect of space exploration.  
Plus we have the drive to go out and explore- It's gotta be for a reason!

[The AlphaOmega]

Very good points, I would have to agree.  At the risk of sounding like a lunatic, there have been a couple of occasions in my life when I have witnessed something in the sky that I simply can't possibly explain.  I would like to know what those were all about.  I think a good way to do that would be to go and and look.

[cainam_nazier]

CFTraveler

I agree completely. I want to also add that there are things that have helped humankind as a side-effect of space exploration.
Plus we have the drive to go out and explore- It's gotta be for a reason!

Like Tang.  

The AlphaOmega Posted: 18 Apr 2006 14:47    Post subject:  

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Very good points, I would have to agree. At the risk of sounding like a lunatic, there have been a couple of occasions in my life when I have witnessed something in the sky that I simply can't possibly explain. I would like to know what those were all about. I think a good way to do that would be to go and and look.  
 

Okay, you're on a site that deals with largely un-provable concepts, where people claim to do things that some one else can't even witness if they are in the same room, and not to mention the people who channel beings from all over including "aliens", and then the real crazy people who want to raise armies and conquer the world and all that.  And you're worried about sounding like a lunatic because you saw some lights and didn't know what they were.  Not sharing something here in an open disscusion because you think other may label you as a lunatic is the crazy part.

[Rob]

Alpha,

What reasons, if any, do we have to explore space or step foot on other planets?

I am with Cainam on this, would be an excellent way of proving the who ET thing one way or another, which would have a rather large effect on the world. But also, its about the evolution of mankind as a species, the opening up of more possibilities, and the enriching of the living experience. Wouldnt it be amazing if you could choose to live life in space station orbiting Jupiter, then a few years later move to a enormous bubble on the surface of Mars, just because you could? In a way, the more positive things we can experience in life, the wealthier we become as individuals and as a species.
And the alternative would infer approaching stagnation, which would not be good!

Hey Cainam - in that avatar, you look an awful lot like that fella in Mythbusters  

Rob

[Nay]

I love the Mythbusters.  Adam and Jamie.  That Jamie has an incredible constitution!  Did anyone see the show about motion sickness? OMG, I was puking just watching. :sick:  

Ok back on subject.  According to Sylvia Brown, we are going to make contact in 2010.    :abduct:   I wouldn't mind being first in line.

[El-Bortukali]

Alpha,

What reasons, if any, do we have to explore space or step foot on other planets?

I am with Cainam on this, would be an excellent way of proving the who ET thing one way or another, which would have a rather large effect on the world. But also, its about the evolution of mankind as a species, the opening up of more possibilities, and the enriching of the living experience. Wouldnt it be amazing if you could choose to live life in space station orbiting Jupiter, then a few years later move to a enormous bubble on the surface of Mars, just because you could? In a way, the more positive things we can experience in life, the wealthier we become as individuals and as a species.
And the alternative would infer approaching stagnation, which would not be good!

Hey Cainam - in that avatar, you look an awful lot like that fella in Mythbusters  

Rob

yes it would.but it would be better to be able to visit africa without seeing kids die of hunger.

i think we should first rid our species from hunge,diseases,poverty,iletaracy,aging and then,we're off to space.

but i'd love to live the life of a space merchant =)

[cainam_nazier]

Unfortunately those things probably won't go away until we start heading towards more global thinking.  But most people don't care about what is going on down the street from their house let alone other countries.

And have heard all kinds of people say when contact is going to be.  But no body is ever right.  Or they just keep changing the date.  Sylvia Brown has always been a mostly accurate source of information but I don't think I will believe it until it happens.

One of the people who channels on another site said that they would be here in a couple of months.  Just after we impeach Bush.  But I don't think that is going to happen either.

And no I have never been told I look like that guy.  I love the show though.