Observation of the Obvious

[GodsProxy]

Most of what is going on in this reality can be observed by Obnosis - observation of the obvious, and requires no special powers or skills.

All it requires is an open mind, a willingness to look at some unpleasant facts, and throwing away or disregarding preconceptions.

It also requires an ability to start to spot when someone is manipulating you through your emotions.

This thread is dedicated to Observation of the Obvious - what have we missed observing which could be valuable to us.

Please could we try to keep the thread on topic and keep from filling it with junk so that people won't read it and will be chased away from this forum

One obvious thing is that this is Hell on Earth.

A definition of obnosis:

Knowledge by Observation, experiential knowledge, waking up and looking, learning by going to look, learning by doing, learning by watching others, as opposed to theoretical learning.

[Astral316]

I have to drive 45 minutes to get to the nearest Popeye's Chicken. Hell on Earth? You're tellin me.

[Thread Killer]

I've observed that some people appoint themselves as harbingers of ideas or movements, assuming the rest of us are too stupid to see the "truth"

[GodsProxy]

Can't you guys leave this thread for even 2 minutes without letting us discuss it constructively?

I mean common, Thread Killer, put your weapon back in its holster! I'm not saying you're the enemy, just be nice, OK?

I've observed that some people appoint themselves as harbingers of ideas or movements, assuming the rest of us are too stupid to see the "truth"

[Astral316]

Would you rather I point out that your obnosis isn't really an obnosis? I can do that, but I'd feel like a starved fish trying to sample the old, stale bait you like to cast out. Perhaps you could be more clear with the purpose of this thread? If it's to challenge your "Earth is hell" line, please state so. Otherwise I gave a perfectly acceptable obnosis of my own... Popeye's Chicken is rediculously far away yet they keep airing there commercials on my tv. Insignicant? Maybe. An observation that's obvious? Absolutely.

[GodsProxy]

Ok, lets start. If the US can spend trillions of dollars (One source says $3 trillion, another source with a running counter says $791,292,092,798) invading Iraq to flush out Bin Laden for killing a its citizens (2752 victims who died in the attacks on the World Trade Center) could they not spend a few billion to invade other countries to feed them?
Taking a random sampling from the web "THE United Nations now estimates more than 180,000 people have died in Sudan’s Darfur from hunger and disease in the past 18 months."
Huh?? That's 18,000 per month, each and every month!
And the US is a nation of Christians who say Love Each Other. Jesus' only commandment was to "love one another".
You say it is ridiculous, the US invading to help another country. That is because we live in a world of hate and fear, not in a world of Love. I see things differently. Love one another.
By the law of obnosis, using this one example alone, I can see that there is something seriously wrong on this planet. How seriously wrong? Warning bells and alarms, that's how wrong.

[Astral316]

Non sequitur.

If Earth was hell, we'd see fire and brimstone, indiscriminate pain and suffering with no hope of peace or happiness for anyone. My life hasn't been fun and I sure as hell don't have a Pollyanna outlook, but even I can observe these things in other people and conclude that it's possible here. So it's not a biblical hell, nor is it any historical variation since they're depicted as proceding *this* physical existence. If Earth is hell, it would have to be a metaphorical hell and a metaphorical hell only. In that context, you'd have a valid case.

[CFTraveler]

I've observed that some people appoint themselves as harbingers of ideas or movements, assuming the rest of us are too stupid to see the "truth"

Yup.

[CFTraveler]

Ok, lets start. If the US can spend trillions of dollars (One source says $3 trillion, another source with a running counter says $791,292,092,798) invading Iraq to flush out Bin Laden for killing a its citizens (2752 victims who died in the attacks on the World Trade Center) could they not spend a few billion to invade other countries to feed them?
Taking a random sampling from the web "THE United Nations now estimates more than 180,000 people have died in Sudan’s Darfur from hunger and disease in the past 18 months."
Huh?? That's 18,000 per month, each and every month!
And the US is a nation of Christians who say Love Each Other. Jesus' only commandment was to "love one another".
You say it is ridiculous, the US invading to help another country. That is because we live in a world of hate and fear, not in a world of Love. I see things differently. Love one another.
By the law of obnosis, using this one example alone, I can see that there is something seriously wrong on this planet. How seriously wrong? Warning bells and alarms, that's how wrong.

If we are indeed children of God (and God is all powerful, which how can he be not if he is God?) then this can't be hell, because God created it for us.  So unless you believe in a nonloving God, this statement can't support itself.  
I see every day people that help each other out of love, that do all kinds of sacrifices for what they believe is the greater good.  That's one side of the coin, and it's the one I choose to focus on.
You said a mouthful- "It's how I see it" and as you know, "Ask and you shall receive".  So yes, it's hell for you.
Think of reality as an onion - peel the layers and you will see a lot of other things besides what's on the surface.  A portrait is not all darkness, because it cannot exist without darkness and the light, and the colors are light viewed from a specific point.  So we all have a point of view from where we're standing.
If you choose to put your energy on the negative, this is the part that you make strong, and your reality.

[GodsProxy]

If we are indeed children of God (and God is all powerful, which how can he be not if he is God?)

Obnosis: Satan is in charge.
Obnosis: "Peel the layers, etc, portrait and painting" Besides the point. We're talking about serious issues.
Obnosis: "Put all your energy on the negative" : Misleading statement. Put it onto the negative and then fix it. You can't avoid the danger by putting your head into the sand.

[Lady-E]

Godsproxy wrote: "It also requires an ability to start to spot when someone is manipulating you through your emotions."

Ok, my apologies, I'm knew to this realm, but have been entrigued on various levels for a number of years...

Godsproxy, anything you'd like to elaborate on above-mentioned quote, "between the lines"...?

As I've said, knew-comer here, just testing the waters... 

[Astral316]

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[GodsProxy]

Godsproxy wrote: "It also requires an ability to start to spot when someone is manipulating you through your emotions."

Ok, as soon as you see a post which ignores the substance of my entire question and instead starts asking emotional questions such as "unless you believe in a nonloving God" etc, alarm bells should go off in your head. Read back the reply, it quotes all the text from my message. His reply doesn't focus on my post, he asks emotional questions, tells me not to focus on the negative, etc. How can I not focus on the negative when this is a negative issue? Someone else was talking about Death...
CFTraveller, my question remains : Doesn't this point towards a highly troubled planet?:

Ok, lets start. If the US can spend trillions of dollars (One source says $3 trillion, another source with a running counter says $791,292,092,798) invading Iraq to flush out Bin Laden for killing a its citizens (2752 victims who died in the attacks on the World Trade Center) could they not spend a few billion to invade other countries to feed them?

Why not give us some other examples of why this planet is troubled?

[GodsProxy]

Your delusion, my reality and vice versa. What you think is delusional might be original thinking to me. Once people who thought the Earth was circular were thought to be delusional and locked up in lunatic asylums.

Now here is a clear attempt to manipulate via emotions.

The moderator did say he wouldn't tolerate personal attacks here

Delusional disorder

The following can indicate a delusion:

[Astral316]

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