Observation of the Obvious

[GodsProxy]

The body is a theta (spirit) trap to end all theta traps.

L. Ron Hubbard, Philadelphia Doctorate Course Lectures, 1952.
Now, don't throw the baby out with the baby water. Don't go and join Scientology. I am not a scientologist (tm). Do I really have to make these points over and over again? Don't let emotional responses and black PR ruin our chances. Scientology (tm) was suppressed and killed a long time ago, estimated 1984, ref David Miscavige. No need to comment on how insane we all believe Scn is, that's besides the point. The point is lets put aside our differences and see what each other can contribute to helping us.

[GodsProxy]

I'm re-posting this, because it is important, and people tend to only read the material on a new page

My answer is: I'm proving to you logically that you're in a death trap. Then I'm begging and pleading for your help to help us help us all to make sure we're going to get out of it. Then I'm trying to point out to you, that the conditions on this planet should make us suspicious, of the fact that we're in a death trap. Then I'm trying to get you to ask intelligent questions so that I can put forward the proof I have. Then I'm trying to get you to ask intelligent questions so that I can get you onto the same page as I am. Then I'm wanting to share with you everything I've learned so far, so that you don't have to reinvent the wheel, you can validate what I know and then help us from there.

Now, I am trying to tell you, that I need help in answering the question "how do we get out of a death trap?" I don't have the answers. I need your help.

Does that answer your question? How much more clearly can I answer it?

Rather say death trap than hell. It makes more sense in the context of the readership of this forum.

Actually, I am... believe it or not. An interest of mine is understanding all perspectives no matter how ridiculous they are compared to my own. But I don't need to introduce my beliefs in this thread, just common logic. When someone tells me, "You're going to hell but you can change it." I'm going to ask, "Okay, how?" You beg us to keep this thread on topic, it doesn't get more on topic. So... your answer?

[Astral316]

Thanks for the synopsis... but try to think beyond your own subjectivity. Not everyone who opposes your stance is a villain. Also please don't take my light hearted metaphors seriously, I don't think you're a turd.

Now, I am trying to tell you, that I need help in answering the question "how do we get out of a death trap?" I don't have the answers. I need your help.

That's easy... death!

[GodsProxy]

Sorry, too late, that is when your chances are over, and you find out for sure. Note: death trap. When you die, you may or may not be granted another chance. Religions have noted the same point. Incarne is your only chance.

That's easy... death!

[Astral316]

Sorry, too late, that is when your chances are over, and you find out for sure.

Okay so if you don't have the answers then it's fair to say you don't have the incorrect answers, yes? So I revert back to mind/emotion/desire control and being an overall good human being to your fellow man. I don't think it has to be more complex than that. What are the other possibilities? I mean besides excepting "prophet xyz" as our lord and savior.

BTW... I edited out the delusional disorder quotes as I agree, in retrospect, that they aren't in good taste.

[Thread Killer]

Hey God's Proxy,
                        I apologise. I'm sorry if you feel I've been hostile. I guess I'm amused at your earnestness. Another guess is you're under twenty five. I used to feel the type of certainty with which you conduct yourself. My age has taken that away. Your voracity impresses me. In the face of overwhelming opposition, you persist. At my age though, it's just an exercise in ego. That's cool. Just don't be too disappointed when people don't see it your way. It's hearts and minds, G.P., hearts and minds.
                                                                                                                   Shine On, You Crazy Diamond,
                                                                                                                                                              -Jim-

[ether2]

Same here. I'm lost. I'm baffled. But I suspect it's the same thing again...Earth is hell and when you die you go to a another hell worse than this one unless you have Godsproxy's and ether2's knowledge.

Godsproxy and ether2, has it ever occurred to you to look at the town you live in from above rather than driving through it with a map and no destination?

Just when you think you know something, consider other perspectives...

hay that is a really nice avatar ya got their ...

for the record i do not believe in a hell in after life and dont not know where ya go that assumption of me from...

i believe/know that life is all scripted look at Nostradamus predicting world towers collapse, it's scripted from centuries ago...

theirs plenty of speculation about Bush flying OBL family out of USA that day...

thats it was all to do with producing fear...

ya heard OBL was trained by USA military...

the discretion of what air craft was used...

the unexplained puffs of dust/smoke below the actuall crashing into the world towers...

look at what a pro lucid dreamer use to be able to do, influence a situation, i know of one death through this practise...

heard the saying lifes a dream...

Aborigines here in Aussie call now, dream time...they are a real smarties this lot when it comes to things talked about on sites as this, masters...

all scripted man being saying this for ages...

we get these scattered bits of info so when the time comes (soon before, 2012) we can all look at what all we percieved as the evil was all scripted prior to us in this body existing excepting a few areas, i know of one lucid death a decade ago and of course their are a few situations since late 2009 that will/need to be addressed...
so no-one guilty except a few of noth'n...that amounts to no hell
they above guides may show ya visions of hell but that all it is is just a mirage, not their man...

so as ya can see i do not believe in hell in after life, when one leaves thats it man for given so to speak we are all just instruments of the system, the strings have been of in a few areas especially of late but not many aresa before that...

good luck

love all

[SomeRandom]

Hey God's Proxy,
                        I apologise. I'm sorry if you feel I've been hostile. I guess I'm amused at your earnestness. Another guess is you're under twenty five. I used to feel the type of certainty with which you conduct yourself. My age has taken that away. Your voracity impresses me. In the face of overwhelming opposition, you persist. At my age though, it's just an exercise in ego. That's cool. Just don't be too disappointed when people don't see it your way. It's hearts and minds, G.P., hearts and minds.
                                                                                                                   Shine On, You Crazy Diamond,
                                                                                                                                                              -Jim-

Good song! 

[GodsProxy]

@Astral316: Thank you for the gesture of removing the crazy stuff, it is appreciated.

@Thread Killer, Jim: I'm 39 and my conviction is only growing stronger. Its the truth you see. How old are you, if you don't mind me asking? My given name is Neil.

This thread is going to be locked soon. I'm going to give it a new incarnation

[Summerlander]

for the record i do not believe in a hell in after life and dont not know where ya go that assumption of me from...

Actually, you have just shown yourself to be really self-centred here. It's like for you, everything has to be about you. The belief in hell is about Godsproxy. The homosexuality issue is about you. I was killing two birds with one stone.

@Godsproxy:

Look back and read the posts by the people you listed and you might learn something. They are actually quite constructive. Only the ignorant will not take such statements onboard.

[CFTraveler]

Hey God's Proxy.
Have you ever read "The Four Agreements" by Don Miguel Ruiz?  It's premise begins similarly to yours (besides describing material reality similarly to how you describe it, as a 'subjective hell') it goes on to giving ideas on how to improve things, based on Toltec Mythology as the vehicle.
I'm only basing my answer on my perception of your having asked for ideas.

[ether2]

Actually, you have just shown yourself to be really self-centred here. It's like for you, everything has to be about you. The belief in hell is about Godsproxy. The homosexuality issue is about you. I was killing two birds with one stone.

@Godsproxy:

Look back and read the posts by the people you listed and you might learn something. They are actually quite constructive. Only the ignorant will not take such statements onboard.

well thanx this is the one time i'll take the self-centred as being balanced...as centre means balance i don't like balance as balance is inbetween negative and positive which is noth'n... as wisdom is a positive thing!
everything about me, Nay... not me man, but everyone else, it's called careing

good luck

love all

[Summerlander]

LOL!

Evasive as ever.

[Thread Killer]

I'm 43 yrs old. Despite your claim to  the contrary, I'm sticking to my estimation of your age.
  "...and though time goes by, I will always be in a club with you in 1973 singing "Here we go again"
                                                                                                  -Jim-

[GodsProxy]

Hi Jim, I'll post a scan of my ID book and my passport to prove it. 39 with scars to back it up.
Yeah, "here we go again". Sooner or later someone had to hit on the right formula

I'm 43 yrs old. Despite your claim to  the contrary, I'm sticking to my estimation of your age.
  "...and though time goes by, I will always be in a club with you in 1973 singing "Here we go again"