Reward for Anyone Who Kills an American!

[Lysear]

what a moving post, I read it all and it really makes you think. Every country has its negative points (mostly attributed to their governments!) but when people get wrapped up in bad points they will more than likely forget the good.

[Tom]

So how do these 14,112 (statistic from 1999) killers collect that reward for bumping off their victims? Even with the numbers going down some, there must be thousands of americans getting bumped off every year and hundreds every month. How many murders have there been today?

http://judiciary.senate.gov/oldsite/te061301agm.htm

From "TESTIMONY OF ANDREW G. MCBRIDE BEFORE THE SUBCOMMITTEE ON CONSTITUTION, FEDERALISM AND PROPERTY RIGHTS June 13, 2001 RACE AND THE FEDERAL DEATH PENALTY"

"I would ask the Subcommittee to keep four points in mind as it evaluates these very serious, but, in my opinion, wholly unsupported charges. First, pointing to statistical disparities between racial percentages of capital defendants and racial percentages in the population at large is utterly specious. The population at large does not commit violent felonies – only a small percentage of both the white and non-white communities are ever involved in violent crime. The sad fact is that non-whites are statistically much more likely to commit certain crimes of violence that might lead to death penalty prosecutions. African Americans make up approximately 13 percent of the nation’s population. Yet, according to the FBI’s 1999 uniform crime reports, there were 14,112 murder offendersin the United States in 1999, and of those offenders for whom race was known, 50 percent were black. Given that most murders are intra-racial, it is not surprising that of the 12,658 murder victims in 1999, 47 percent were black."

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[Fat_Turkey]

America's a great country sure, but like all governments, its one is starting to reveal its sure-as-daylight corruptedness. Absolute power corrupts absolutely, and who has the most weapons of mass destruction? Who tore NATO apart? I don't hate America, it's one of the most logical and best countries there is. But the way their government acts is annoying. They make their people believe that America is the one and only country, the only power that has the right to have power, the only place that can control. They are basically policing the world.

Sorry, ranting again.

America's great, but its government and its army are sometimes so conceited I feel like puking

Just my opinion
Don't hate me.

I think, therefore I am []

Later
-FT

[Anonymous]

My problem with this country is its disposable mainstream culture. All the things I used to be into are somewhat mainstream now. They take everything that is sacred and market it and turn it into nothing more than a product to satisfy the whimsical cravings of ignorant people.

I also dislike the government right now- When a guy that isn't really our president gets some strings pulled to get into office, and is able to succeed, something should be done about the conditions that have allowed this to happen. I also agree with what Fat Turkey said. However, I am totally against the whole reward for killing an American thing. Or any other kind of violence for that matter.

[Frank]

quote:Originally posted by PeacefulWarrior

What is an American?

You probably missed it in the rush of news last week, but there was
actually a report that someone in Pakistan had published in a newspaper an offer of a reward to anyone who killed an American, any American.

That's hardly news as the average Pakistani earns about as much in a year as the average American makes in a day (if they are lucky). Perhaps if you were to actually visit these kinds of places and see how these people live....

quote:An American is generous. Americans have helped out just about every other nation in the world in their time of need. When Afghanistan was overrun by the Soviet army twenty years ago, Americans came with arms and supplies to enable the people to win back their country. As of the morning of September 11, 2001, Americans had given more than any other nation to the poor in Afghanistan.

This is getting rather sicky-bucket.

quote:
Americans welcome the best -- the best products, the best books, the
>best music, the best food, the best athletes.

Yes, I agree. But I rather think the 2nd and 3rd world view is you do that entirely at their expense.

quote:
But they also welcome the least.

As long as they are not Mexicans skipping border controls.

quote:
The national symbol of America, The Statue of Liberty, welcomes your tired and your poor, the wretched refuse of your teeming shores, the homeless, tempest-tossed. These, in fact, are the people who built America.

Well, next time I'm suffering loss of sleep over how to pay my monthly bills I'll just turn up on your doorstep and all will be well. Cheers mate!

quote:
Some of them were working in the Twin Towers the morning of September 11, earning a better life for their families. I've been told that the World Trade Center victims were from at least thirty other countries, cultures, and first languages -- including those that aided and abetted the terrorists.

So the forthcoming bombs you are about to land on those innocent Iraqi people don't count, I suppose.

quote:
because Americans are not a particular people from a
particular place. They are the embodiment of the human spirit and
freedom. Everyone who holds to that spirit, everywhere, is an American.

I think the people in question whom you are against think otherwise. Moreover, I fear your country has not heard the last of this "war".

Yours,
Frank

[Jenadots]

But the Pakistanis are our "friends."  Everyone says so, especially their military ruler.  These are the very same people who were dancing in the streets while my American brothers and sisters were jumping out of windows and being burned or crushed to death.  These are the very same people who will be getting billions of American tax dollars to -- that is, whatever is left after their leaders squirrel away most of it someplace.  

I am most appreciative of messages that show there is at least one person who doesn't hate Americans right now.  Most of what we hear in our news media tells us the rest of the world does hate us.  

I am not at all certain of the coming war with Iraq.  Something doesn't seem right with it.  I don't know why now.  I would prefer that the USA were completely out of the middle east and all other countries and let them settle their own problems or live with them as they can.  But clearly, a war is coming.  It is, however, the aftermath of it that I fear.  It will be even more open season on any American anywhere than it is now.  

As a nation, I do not think we are always right, but I don't think we can afford to be wrong about this.  I certainly hope that the rest of the world does not feel the way the reward offerers do.  As for me, I won't be traveling outside the USA this year.  Why make myself a target for people like these?  

Thanks for listening - Peace to everyone.

[Rob]

" Most of what we hear in our news media tells us the rest of the world does hate us. "
We don't hate americans!! I think only a misguided few do. We hate your government.....
The same misconception is made in Muslim countries - they say "why do you hate us?" " we DON'T hate you!" "so why do you bomb us - you live in a democracy?". Its just a big damn game of pitching one site against the other, making out that the other hates you so you are justified in hating them back. Ggggrrrrr. Unite!!!

America could have been out of the middle east 50 years ago, if they hadn't have suppressed free evergy technology. Oil provides a useful choke point for control and money gathering purposes. And arms etc etc

and hey!! I'm not an American. I am English, but I appreciate the offer hehe!

peace
Rob

[Frank]

quote:Originally posted by Jenadots

But the Pakistanis are our "friends."  Everyone says so, especially their military ruler.  These are the very same people who were dancing in the streets while my American brothers and sisters were jumping out of windows and being burned or crushed to death.

The reason why these people are *so* glad when they see American lives suffering a horrid death, is because their societies have to live with such horror often on a daily basis... and they blame you for that.

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These are the very same people who will be getting billions of American tax dollars to -- that is, whatever is left after their leaders squirrel away most of it someplace.

And the reason why your so-called tax-dollars never get to the people in question is because normally the Dictator that "squirrels it away" is a puppet of the United States' government. And those poor people in question are rapidly beginning to realise that. Hence the reason why a significant portion of them think the only good American, is a dead American.

quote:
I am most appreciative of messages that show there is at least one person who doesn't hate Americans right now.  Most of what we hear in our news media tells us the rest of the world does hate us.  

In terms of population you are but a tiny minority.

quote:
I am not at all certain of the coming war with Iraq.  Something doesn't seem right with it.  I don't know why now.  I would prefer that the USA were completely out of the middle east and all other countries and let them settle their own problems or live with them as they can.

But you cannot, because your economic superiority relies on a plentiful flow of cheap oil.

quote:
But clearly, a war is coming.  It is, however, the aftermath of it that I fear.  It will be even more open season on any American anywhere than it is now.

Well, it is not so much a "war" as you are going to attack another country in order to plunder its oil reserves. It is a fact there are those factions who bitterly resent such a policy who will stop at nothing to seek revenge for your actions. Decades ago, such factions were an insignificant minority. Nowadays, they have the power to bomb buildings in New York. Who knows what capability they will develop in the future?

quote:  
As a nation, I do not think we are always right, but I don't think we can afford to be wrong about this.  I certainly hope that the rest of the world does not feel the way the reward offerers do.  As for me, I won't be traveling outside the USA this year.  Why make myself a target for people like these?

Your policy has been "wrong" from the start. Fact is, millions of ordinary people are demonstrating against this up and coming attack. I pray I'm wrong but it seems you won't get it into your heads unless a big bomb goes off somewhere on your shores.

You know, the twin-towers incident was a warning as to what is to come IF you don't listen. And you're not. You are *still* playing that same old game. The time to eat humble pie has long-since past.

Yours,
Frank


 

[Anonymous]

Democracy, the only form of government I actually half-believed in, has failed me, ever since Bush was "elected" president. I am now an anarchist. However, I do not believe in chaos. There is a Buddhist philosophy of self-government, which is what we need to learn how to do. If we could get all these damn corporations out of the way, the government would not have so much power. The only reason they have any power is because of the fact that people (at least in the USA) worship money. We are the cause of our own death. The terrorists were wrong to kill innocent people, but I think that their message was clear enough. They are misguided. They think that all of us are bad. It is our government that is evil, and it IS. Does anyone here know about chemtrails? That's just one of the things they do to us. There are many things they use their citizens as guinea pigs for. Well, I don't know about you, but I trust nobody. Those who fit into our society well tend to be closed-minded and judgemental of anything that is different from what they believe in. They promote a life of ignorance and selfishness. I am totally an anti-republican. I hate the republican ideals. They are so stupid. My bodily waste has more meaning than their ideals. And democrats tend to sit there and point their finger at everyone, but don't offer any suggestions or solutions to the problems. I cannot speak for any other country's government but I don't like mine. Not at all. They must be stopped.

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[Klaus S]

I do hope we are seeing the beginning of the end of Saddam Hussein.
Also, I do hope we are seeing the beginning of the end of right-wing fundamentalism as a global power.

Klaus Seigel

[BDHugh]

quote:
Originally posted by Frank

The reason why these people are *so* glad when they see American lives suffering a horrid death, is because their societies have to live with such horror often on a daily basis... and they blame you for that.

Yes, victimization is common in the world and even here in the States.

quote:
And the reason why your so-called tax-dollars never get to the people in question is because normally the Dictator that "squirrels it away" is a puppet of the United States' government. And those poor people in question are rapidly beginning to realise that. Hence the reason why a significant portion of them think the only good American, is a dead American.

I halfway agree here. At the same time most of these people absolutely love the American culture, such as movies and music.

quote:
But you cannot, because your economic superiority relies on a plentiful flow of cheap oil.

Yes, but there is plentiful oil still in the U.S. Right now many oil companines want to begin drilling in Alaska, and the natives in Alaska do want them to for economoical development. They estimate the reserves in one area to be good for 12-20 years. There is also untapped oil still in Texas, New Mexico, and I believe also Colorado and Wyoming. You are assuming alot here to say that we are only after the oil.

quote:
But clearly, a war is coming.  It is, however, the aftermath of it that I fear.  It will be even more open season on any American anywhere than it is now.

quote:
Nowadays, they have the power to bomb buildings in New York. Who knows what capability they will develop in the future?

Hence, the war on terrorism.

quote:  
Your policy has been "wrong" from the start. Fact is, millions of ordinary people are demonstrating against this up and coming attack. I pray I'm wrong but it seems you won't get it into your heads unless a big bomb goes off somewhere on your shores.

Hold on, you want us to accept and respect the authority of a few radical Muslims who want to destroy the 'western devil'?

quote:
You know, the twin-towers incident was a warning as to what is to come IF you don't listen. And you're not. You are *still* playing that same old game. The time to eat humble pie has long-since past.

Listen to what? We ourselves are about to make our wakeup call to the rest of the world.

[Frank]

Okay, you are not attacking Iraq to plunder its oil reserves. So I'll pop off and have a frontal-lobotomy, which should give you plenty of time to write down why it is, exactly, you are about to attack Iraq. Then we can discuss this matter further.

Joking aside, pray tell, why *are* you then about to attack Iraq?

Also, I know it has proved to be a catchy phrase, especially amongst people in the USA (if the opinion-polls are to be believed) but don't you think, "war against terror" is rather a glaring contradiction in terms?

And no sane person in the world is calling upon the US government to accept the authority of people you call, "radical muslims." But what millions of people are currently demonstrating against, is your country acting outside the auspices of the United Nations assembly.

The potential for such action has led many free-thinking people to question the international legality of such a possible future situation. Which naturally leads these people to further ask themselves who, exactly, would be the "terrorists" in that regard... if not the USA themselves.

Yours,
Frank

[Rob]

"Yes, but there is plentiful oil still in the U.S. Right now many oil companines want to begin drilling in Alaska, and the natives in Alaska do want them to for economoical development. They estimate the reserves in one area to be good for 12-20 years. There is also untapped oil still in Texas, New Mexico, and I believe also Colorado and Wyoming. You are assuming alot here to say that we are only after the oil."
Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't the reason that these places have not been drilled already, because the oil isn't as easy to get to as it is in, say, Iraq? The oil-men who direct your government will be thinking in terms of *profit*.
There is also a large mass of oil next to the falkland islands, which even has the 2nd purest content anywhere in the world. But, it is very deep, so as of yet, there hasn't been a rush to drill it.
Although, of course, the other reason you are going to war with Iraq, is to divert home attention away from your failing economy, caused by Dubya. A classic tactic, used by countless polical leaders. Ironic, since it eats up even more government spending.

Rob