What is the Difference Between AP and Lucid Dreams?

[tarboxb]

Hello everyone,

I have read about astral projection and lucid dreaming a lot in the past and I want to begin to attempt to do one or both of them. I am curious however what is really different between the two. It seems to me that astral awareness is one level above lucid awareness but how do you go from being inside a construct of your own mind into another world parallel to the physical world? Thanks ahead of time for you responses, I am very excited to start working on learning LD and AP and I can't wait to hopefully experience the non-physical for what it really is!

[desert-rat]

Welcome to the forum . I will quote you from what I have read , I have spent many years , and cant have a conscious o.b.e. my self .  Lucid dreaming is a dream where you know you are dreaming and can control it . Astral projecting , out of body is where your soul or spirit is out of your body , it can go any where .   Like being dead , but you have a living body to go back to .  Many believe we all go out of body at night during sleep , but only have a few vuage dreams , like flying or floating dreams . Some use the lucid dreaming state to go out of body , it is one of many methods . desert rat 

[tarboxb]

Alright desert-rat thank you very much for you response this seems to clear up the confusion for me. I am still wondering though... the astral plane is a real place so that means that several people could project together and remember the experiences correct? Also are their other spiritual entities on the astral plane that lack a physical body, and if so can you interact with them?

[Lionheart]

 Here is a recent video that answers your question. The part you want to listen to starts at around the 45:00 minute mark. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lU7jEMMMvhI

[tarboxb]

Thank you Lionheart!

[Volgerle]

for me, there is no difference, but I see a difference between AP and EP (etheric projection) or RTZ-OBEs (real-time zone projections), also between AP and MP (mental projection, higher planes),

dreams are a projection to the astral plane, hence in an AP you 'end up in the same 'area', so to speak. the degree of lucidity varies, in normal dreams you are unconscious and your subconscius or "Higher Self" is at the steering wheel

when you gain more lucidity / aware consciousness on the Astral Plane then you are at the same 'area' as when you do a conscious projection there from  trance state or "phasing"

[Xanth]

Here is a recent video that answers your question. The part you want to listen to starts at around the 45:00 minute mark. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lU7jEMMMvhI

GOLD...
I highly suggest everyone listen to that part.  Actually, listen to the whole thing. 

[Lionheart]

Yesterday I went to my bedroom and laid down on the bed at about 9:00pm. I didn't have any intent on projecting at all or anything like that. I had just finished watching my local news. They had a story about a missing Autistic boy in Prescott Wisconsin, so this thought was still on my mind. I kind of just focused on my noisy ceiling fan in my bedroom. The next thing I knew I was sitting at my computer, I heard some scratching under a plant shelf beside my computer and the next thing I knew a huge rat came out of from under it. Mind you, this was totally unexpected and immediately sent me back to my physical state again. Now this was more vivid then many Phase sessions are. My Phase sessions take a lot longer for the full vivid visuals to kick in. But I can compare it to one thing though and that's my False Awakenings. The vividness and total all around feeling was exactly the same. I think that rat scene was an actual fullfledged OBE. I was definitely in the Real Time Zone. I hope the rat scene isn't some kind of premonition or psychic view of what is occurring with the missing boy. That's the only thing that makes sense to me. I shouldn't have startled so easy, but it was like I just closed my eyes and almost immediately I was there. Usually with Phasing the progression is much slower, at least this is my observation.
 Edit!  Good News, they just found the boy!  

[Pauli2]

Here is a recent video that answers your question. The part you want to listen to starts at around the 45:00 minute mark. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lU7jEMMMvhI

"There are differences, but not fundamental differences..."

Jeez, and then he throws in RVing. Lionheart, do you think that there is no
fundamental difference between RV and OBE? If so, what exactly is meant
by "no fundamental difference"?

[Xanth]

"There are differences, but not fundamental differences..."

Jeez, and then he throws in RVing. Lionheart, do you think that there is no
fundamental difference between RV and OBE? If so, what exactly is meant
by "no fundamental difference"?

I fully agree with Tom.

Think about what RVing is... it's the shutting off/down of your physical sensory input and receiving other sensory input.  That's, in effect, what an OBE is... that's what a Lucid Dream is... that's what an Astral Projection is... that's even what a dream is.

The drive to categorize and label these experiences cheapens and demeans them.  Take them for what they are... fascinating explorations!

"No fundamental difference" is what I just said above.  It's all perspective and belief.  Of which, you, Pauli, are so full of them that they're stopping you from experiencing the larger reality first hand instead of just perceptually.

[Pauli2]

Think about what RVing is... it's the shutting off/down of your physical sensory input and receiving other sensory input.  That's, in effect, what an OBE is... that's what a Lucid Dream is... that's what an Astral Projection is... that's even what a dream is.

If I have to trust what Campbell says, it still is very fuzzy, blurred so everything
becomes the same.

I wouldn't be surprised if Campbell at some point will say that wakefulness in physical reality (PMR)
is fundamentally the same as an OBE. But that is like a physicist would say that any atom
is fundamentally the same as any other atom. It doesn't give room for any diversification.

If a carbon atom is fundamentally the same as an oxygen atom, just because both have
electrons and similar atom core, doesn't take into account that they in fact are different.

Different, but No Fundamental Difference ... I doubt such a statement helps anyone.

[NoY]

the problem is Paulie , tom is trying to teach idiots who know nothing about the subject so most of what he says is dumbed down abit for the layman, I'm sure if you was to ask him a more complex question you would be satisfied with his answer, most likely he would tell you to make up your own damn mind and don't over analyse everything he says

:NoY:

[desert-rat]

Astral projection , out of body , near death experencn, lucid dreaming , ect are not exact sciences .  Ever one has a little different idea . The best thing is to read some of the other posts on this forum , others , and sites on this .  Hear is a link with some interesting videos http://obe4u.com/   desert rat 

[todd421757]

Yesterday I went to my bedroom and laid down on the bed at about 9:00pm. I didn't have any intent on projecting at all or anything like that. I had just finished watching my local news. They had a story about a missing Autistic boy in Prescott Wisconsin, so this thought was still on my mind. I kind of just focused on my noisy ceiling fan in my bedroom. The next thing I knew I was sitting at my computer, I heard some scratching under a plant shelf beside my computer and the next thing I knew a huge rat came out of from under it. Mind you, this was totally unexpected and immediately sent me back to my physical state again. Now this was more vivid then many Phase sessions are. My Phase sessions take a lot longer for the full vivid visuals to kick in. But I can compare it to one thing though and that's my False Awakenings. The vividness and total all around feeling was exactly the same. I think that rat scene was an actual full fledged OBE. I was definitely in the Real Time Zone. I hope the rat scene isn't some kind of premonition or psychic view of what is occurring with the missing boy. That's the only thing that makes sense to me. I shouldn't have startled so easy, but it was like I just closed my eyes and almost immediately I was there. Usually with Phasing the progression is much slower, at least this is my observation.
 Edit!  Good News, they just found the boy!  

Lionheart's post is very informative. Whenever you focus on external sounds to project with, you will have a much greater chance of entering the real time zone.

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_out_of_body_experiences/obe_technique_that_uses_sound_from_a_portable_heater_or_fan-t36507.0.html

[personalreality]

There is no difference.

It's all projecting your consciousness in some way or another.  The different names only describe the methods of achieving the experience.  Naturally, if you use one method versus another, you will perceive the experience through the perception that has been primed by the particular method you used.  Any difference you identify is based in your subjective perception of the experience, not in the experience itself.  The same can be said of any kind of experience in which your consciousness is projected into "another reality", anything from a day dream (which is a very weak form of projection where most of your attention is still focused on your physical body), to a passive experience like a dream or unintentional lucid dream, to an active OBE/AP/Phase.  All the same, just achieved through different means which utilize varying intensities of mental attention and thus produce different different sensory experiences. 

No difference at all in the big picture.