Witnessing the End of Days?

[The AlphaOmega]

I'm just wondering what all of you think about all the disasters occuring so quickly around the world and whether or not you think it might be a sign that the second coming, or a great change of similarity, could be near?  I know natural disasters have always occured and that they are a natural part of the world.  But with our technology now we are able to observe them all over the world and it's becoming clear that they are increasing and becoming more distructive.  Examples...
1.  Mount Saint Helen erupts in the 80's.
2.  A 9 point earthquake causes a tsunami in Asia
3.  Hurricane Katrina hits New Orleans and is labeled the worst natural disaster in Americas history... it is the 5th hurricane this year.  
4.  Much of the national guard is across seas and unable to aid in the relief, as they are fighting a war.  The economy of this country is in serious jeaopardy now that only one state has been hit by this disaster, and as it was bad already this could really put a huge damper on our current way of life.

I'm not suggesting this is the end of the world itself, humanity is fully capable of adapting and getting through such crisis.  But do some of you think that maybe the only way we're going to be able to do this is to have a natural, massive shift in conciousness and possibly, within the next couple generations, enter the next stage of human evolution?

[Greenrat]

yeah things will change i think too, too many things are pointing at it from my individual perspective..
theres been 4 boing 747 crashes in the last half year, im not saying "ohhhh add 7,4 and 7 and get 18=coding for evolution"  but its still an odd occurence"
and this whole new orleans thing,  6 months after a tsunami, its like a "cleansing"  (holds flame sheild)

[ItachiUchiha]

1.  Mount Saint Helen erupts in the 80's.
2.  A 9 point earthquake causes a tsunami in Asia
3.  Hurricane Katrina hits New Orleans and is labeled the worst natural disaster in Americas history... it is the 5th hurricane this year.  
4.  Much of the national guard is across seas and unable to aid in the relief, as they are fighting a war.  The economy of this country is in serious jeaopardy now that only one state has been hit by this disaster, and as it was bad already this could really put a huge damper on our current way of life.

You forgot the 4 hurricanes that hit florida in less than a month, didnt cause to much chaos but it was pretty rare

[Namra]

Evolution?  No, not yet, at least not by nature.  Our evolution is already coming and by our own technology.

The Second Coming is a possibility, maybe next fifteen years or so.

[WalkerInTheWoods]

In this life, change is constant.

[Gandalf]

The Second Coming is a possibility, maybe next fifteen years or so.


Yawn... you know how many centuries christian types have been saying that? For them it's *always* about to be the end of the world. After all the millenium crud I have given up trying to help people see past this obsession, what's the point?

Doug

PS As for the rate of disasters 'increasing', such a statement is highly dubious. These events have always occured around the world. What HAS changed is our ability to report on them and to spot them. Even within the last few decades we have increased our reportage of them; the events themselves have not increased by any great degree. People who say this are basing their statistics on earlier periods, even a few decades ago, when the very statistics themselves were not as accurate as they are now.

For 'end times' obsessives and 'rapture ready' freaks however, common sense has never got in the way of a good foam at the mouth, nor is it likely to any time soon.

[Namra]

The Second Coming is a possibility, maybe next fifteen years or so.


Yawn... you know how many centuries christian types have been saying that? For them it's *always* about to be the end of the world. After all the millenium crud I have given up trying to help people see past this obsession, what's the point?

I hate to tell you this but I am not Christian.  I am not obseesed with The Second Coming and I was responding to a post by Alpha Omega.  I take your comment with great offense.  You never know the world could come to an end even though I doubt it will.

[WalkerInTheWoods]

Namra, what leads you to believe that a Second Coming is going to happen in the next 15 years?


I always liked this quote:

 "The moment you come to trust chaos, you see God clearly. Chaos is divine order, versus human order. Change is divine order, versus human order. When the chaos becomes safety to you, then you know you're seeing God clearly." - Spiritual Madness by Caroline Myss

[Gandalf]

Namra_

Sorry to have caused offence but how is it that you are not 'end times obsessive' or christian when you say "The Second Coming is a possibility, maybe next fifteen years or so."

Sounds pretty fringe christian and 'end times fanatic' to me.

Doug

[Hans Solo]

Yawn... you know how many centuries christian types have been saying that? For them it's *always* about to be the end of the world. After all the millenium crud I have given up trying to help people see past this obsession, what's the point?

Doug

PS As for the rate of disasters 'increasing', such a statement is highly dubious. These events have always occured around the world. What HAS changed is our ability to report on them and to spot them. Even within the last few decades we have increased our reportage of them; the events themselves have not increased by any great degree. People who say this are basing their statistics on earlier periods, even a few decades ago, when the very statistics themselves were not as accurate as they are now

Couldn't have said it better myself, but wait WAIT 2012 is coming soon.... AHHHH! (runs around as if hair is on fire)

I take your comment with great offense

I sorry YOU feel that way.  You should stop other peoples' opinions effecting your inner state. You are the only one that can control the way you feel.  If you are offended because someone does not agree with YOUR opinions then you will have a long miserable road ahead of you.

I own my opinions but you don't have to,
Han

[IequalMC2]

Well, what can I say.

"The moment you come to trust chaos, you see God clearly. Chaos is divine order, versus human order. Change is divine order, versus human order. When the chaos becomes safety to you, then you know you're seeing God clearly." - Spiritual Madness by Caroline Myss

Thanks that makes alot of sense to me.

Dont Panic!!!

Must be in the next 15 years then, nice one to the Boss of all Bosses!!!

Dont worry Iequalmc2 (EVERYONE ELSE IN MY LANGUAGE) everthings going to be fine.

Decode the following

Tupac: Hail Mary
Tupac: God Bless The Dead
Tupac: Troublesome
Tupac: I Int Mad at U

Or Mark Morrison: Return of the Mac

"I own my opinions but you don't have to" <-- Quality statement Han, Quality

[Namra]

Namra, what leads you to believe that a Second Coming is going to happen in the next 15 years?

Like I said, I never said I "thought" it was going to happen in the next 15 years.  I just thought it was a possibility.

amra_

Sorry to have caused offense but how is it that you are not 'end times obsessive' or christian when you say "The Second Coming is a possibility, maybe next fifteen years or so."

Sounds pretty fringe christian and 'end times fanatic' to me.

Doug?

Quite simple.  I am a Futurist.  If that counts as a religon then I have a religion.  If it doesn't then I don't.  I never believed that any person say by the name Jesus Christ had super powers.  However, I believe that if everyone else believes in something it becomes some sort of reality, astral, or otherwise.  So, the way I figure it if enough people in fifteen years from now believe there is another messiah and enough crap is going on then, by golly, there will be a messiah because people will believe that person to be a messiah.  Everything, is perspective.  9/11 happening is perspective.  Enough people believed it happen and so the events (two planes crashing into twin towers) of 9/11 are taken as fact.  However, the two planes crashing is not necessarily the ultimate reality that truly exist but the reality that we have created for ourselves.

I hope this helps clarify what I meant by initial comment.

Hans Solo, I meant I took offense in him calling me something that I was not a christian or ends of time fanatic, neither of which I am.  It really did not affect my inner state.  I just wish that Gandalf would have analyzed my comments more before jumping to conclusions that I am "such and such" kind of person.  I wasn't really offended by any differences of opinion.  I have no problem whatsover if he thinks differently.

[CaCoDeMoN]

Quite simple. I am a Futurist. If that counts as a religon then I have a religion. If it doesn't then I don't. I never believed that any person say by the name Jesus Christ had super powers. However, I believe that if everyone else believes in something it becomes some sort of reality, astral, or otherwise. So, the way I figure it if enough people in fifteen years from now believe there is another messiah and enough crap is going on then, by golly, there will be a messiah because people will believe that person to be a messiah. Everything, is perspective. 9/11 happening is perspective. Enough people believed it happen and so the events (two planes crashing into twin towers) of 9/11 are taken as fact. However, the two planes crashing is not necessarily the ultimate reality that truly exist but the reality that we have created for ourselves.

This is an interesting point of view. We don't hear much about things like second coming in Poland, but there's more and more talk about 2012. This is creating an extremely negative thoughtform, and certainly it does not help to solve world's problems. In fact it may, like you say cause bad events to manifest. Why all popular prophecies must be so negative? Maybe this is caused by laziness? People are too lazy to make the world better and because of that they are waiting for some sort of miracle like 2012.

[Gandalf]

I wouldn’t worry about this whole theory of 'thought forms' resulting in causing the events themselves. A lot of people have been worried by this idea but they needn’t be so. While I actually do subscribe to the theory of 'thought forms' generally, there seems be some kind of natural mechanism in place that prevents such *mass* 'thought forms' from translating into reality.

To see why we don't need to worry, all you need to do is look at recent past history. Millions of people where simply fixated with the whole 2000AD end of the world crap, given extra validity by the Millennium Bug, Nostradamus and all the rest of it. People in fact have been building up to it for decades if not centuries, just like they did at the turn of the FIRST millennium 1000AD (when again nothing happened even although the ENTIRE christian world believed it would be the 'end time').

FAR more people where fixated and worried about 2000AD (with added Nostradamus for good measure) than by any other future date in recent memory.

What happened when the clocks struck midnight (the point in time which millions and millions of people had been mulling over either consciously or subconsciously for years)?

That's right...zip! Even the millennium bug, the technological manifestation of this fear, largely evaporated (although partly to do with lots of hard work on behalf of programmers of course!).

Now FAR, FAR more people were aware and concerned about the Millennium than have even heard about 2012 or any other date you can imagine, so for this straightforward reason, I have nothing to be concerned about by thought form jesus's, flying saucers or exploding planets.

Even if people do eventually become aware about 2012 or any other so-called event in anywhere near the same numbers as the vastly more symbolic 'Millenium 2000', we have already seen that this does not translate into 'real-life end of time' scenarios.

It's all about common sense at the end of the day (or the end of time... no, let’s not go there!)

Doug

[Rob]

hhmmmm....

PS As for the rate of disasters 'increasing', such a statement is highly dubious. These events have always occured around the world. What HAS changed is our ability to report on them and to spot them. Even within the last few decades we have increased our reportage of them; the events themselves have not increased by any great degree. People who say this are basing their statistics on earlier periods, even a few decades ago, when the very statistics themselves were not as accurate as they are now.

Well Doug, I cannot agree with this. To the best of my knowledge, the number of natural disasters really is increasing by significant proportions. Like over in the US the yearly tornado record keeps going up. Earthquake activity does also appear to be on the up. And, the global warming thing, we are getting totally baked down here - like most the warmest years on record have been in the last 5-10 years (records which stand for hundreds of years). Further, the gulf stream is slowing down, el nino, desertification, etc.

If we now expand our scope of weird things, the sun never reached it solar minumum (should have been reducing after 1999) but carried on increasing in activity (I haven't been following too close for the last year but think this is still the case). It is now mainstream that our planets magnetic poles are starting to flip (in which case there may be a period with reduced shielding, which would not be good). And I have heard that other planets in our solar system have flipped matgnetically relatively recent, although I cannot confirm this.
From a technological perspective, we are on the cusp on some seriously powerful technologies that have the potential to either free or kill us all. IMO.
I wont go deep into the social stats, the fact that so many prophesies end or are claimed to apply about now (yes including nostradamus - whats important is not the exact date but that many bunch together into roughly the same period, eg mayan (close to vedic timelines too I think) and native american), the chemtrail problem, the military corruption and weapons issues (HAARP...scary), the absolute rape and destruction of our environment, the continual rise in corporate power and the now farcical nature of democracy, social trends, etc etc.

Interesting times....

Rob