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« Reply #15 on: June 06, 2004, 00:14:25 »

Thanks upstream.

My intention is to achieve OBE/AP through the method of when going to bed, getting into trance state, focusing on some of the things you have said, and continue to do so until it works. I don't think the waking up from deep-sleep 4-5 hours (heard the method before in regards to lucid dreaming) technique is for me, or rather I don't resonate with it.

Thanks for all your comments. Much appreciated. [Cheesy]
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« Reply #16 on: June 06, 2004, 06:54:17 »

(Upstream) "It makes sense for me, that first I have to stabilize NREM-sleep and spinning afterwards. But how you I suppose to stabilize superficial NREM sleep when I find myself wild awake and nothing to spin? Don't forget to answer this question."

Well if you progress into nrem too fast you will wake up physically. Now if you are talking about being conscious in nrem sleep and you are in complete darkness and you notice you cant see and you cant perceive any things of yourself like a body or whatever, this is what happens to me. I will be in complete darkness when in nrem and I just think about spinning to the right and it does so and I feel sensations then the picture comes, or from here just project.
 
As I am not assuming what I go through is exactly what you go through I understand some of what I say makes no sense to you or does not apply to you. That is why I said just change whatever to suit your needs. As for the electrocution/shocking feeling well that happens to me before I even start to fall asleep consciously, its right before the hypnagogic imagery and sometimes overlaps that state.

Well I hope it was of help to you.

(Reemy) I am glad you had success. Once in nrem consciously isn't it so much easier to start the seperation. I find if I seperate one part it just goes on its own accord, I have to forcefully focus on stopping the seperation since I didnt dive into projection yet because I was still experimenting with the other things I was working on. Having finished that I am going to fully seperate either today in a few minutes, but I may just try tomorrow night instead since I feel so mentally fatigued from work.
Perhaps once you can get to nrem with ease, which it will be a lot easier after the first time we can do a joint experiement while projecting to validate them. If you want to just email me and we can talk about it. Well best wishes to everyone, T.L.
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« Reply #17 on: June 06, 2004, 20:16:53 »

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Now if you are talking about being conscious in nrem sleep and you are in complete darkness and you notice you cant see and you cant perceive any things of yourself like a body or whatever, this is what happens to me.
I just understand, that you spin not in your bed, but in the void, before regain awareness of your sleeping body. As LaBerge would say, you have an "unusually active REM system." The non-stop dreaming method is perfectly suit for you.

People lucky enough to fall into this category may find this method extremely useful. Unfortunately, I'm not belong to those lucky ones. It seems to me that my brain is unable to stay in dream lands for more than I've been experienced so far.


from http://www.lucidity.com/EWLD6.txt

PREVENTING PREMATURE AWAKENING

Informally experimenting in their beds at home, lucid dreamers have discovered various ways of remaining in the dream state when threatened by early awakening. All the techniques involve some form of dream action which is carried out as soon as the visual part of the dream begins to fade. Linda Magallon, editor and publisher of the Dream Network Bulletin, and an intrepid explorer of lucid dreams, has described how she prevents herself from waking up by concentrating on the senses other than vision, such as hearing and touch. She reports that all of the following activities have successfully prevented awakenings from visually faded dreams: listening to voices, music, or her breathing; beginning or continuing a conversation; rubbing or opening her (dream) eyes; touching her dream hands and face; touching objects such as a pair of glasses, a hair brush, or the edge of mirror; being touched; and flying. [1] These activities all have something in common with the Spinning Technique described below. They are based on the idea of loading the perceptual system so it cannot change its focus from the dream world to the waking world. As long as you are actively and perceptually engaged with the dream world, you are less likely to make the transition to the waking state. Magallon may be a dreamer with an unusually active REM system; it may be that she has little trouble staying asleep once she is in REM. However, many others are light sleepers who find it difficult to remain in lucid dreams for long periods of time. These people need more powerful techniques to help them stay in their lucid dreams.


from http://www.consciousdreaming.com/lucid-dreaming/lucid-dream-tips.htm

I have also found that one of the most common things that ends lucid dreams is having your visuals go out on you. You could accidentally fly into a wall or building or sometimes just be going too fast for the dreamscape to remain stable. As a result, you will not be able to see anymore. Sometimes, it happens spontaneously especially if your dreamscape is n’o stable. If your visuals do go out on you, then you often will find yourself in a black void much like a cave or a womb. If you find that you have lost your visuals, you may verbally intend more visuals to appear which sometimes works or you can just wait it out. Just DON’T GIVE UP AND DECIDE TO WAKE UP! Hold onto your lucidity and stare into the blackness. Eventually, a whole new dreamscape will appear. Once the dreamscape appears you will already be standing in it and you will be lucid or sometimes you may even have to consciously step into the dreamscape.

This technique has helped me on countless occasions. It has allowed me to reenter new LDs sometimes over and over again whenever my visuals “blow out”. This method of waiting it in “Limbo-Land” for new visuals to appear will really come in handy once you become better acquainted with the dream realm. You can use this visionless void to prolong your lucidity exploring as long as you do not wake up from the dream.. I usually find that I can successfully use this reentry technique around seven times or more in one night. Depending on how long the dream is and how well I am maintaining my lucidity, I usually wake myself from the LD after the seventh reentry from Limbo-Land. I find that any more than seven reentries and I may slip back into a nonlucid dream unintentionally fogging my overall dream recall.


from http://www.consciousdreaming.com/lucid-dreaming/astral-projection-and-out-of-body-experiences.htm

I get to a point where I am SO lucid that I can just intend or verbally command or even just think "FIND THE PHYSICAL BODY BUT DON'T GET TRAPPED INTO IT. PREPARE FOR AN OUT OF BODY EXPERIENCE!!!" After practicing this for a while, I don't have to say the whole thing anymore, but it helped in the beginning. Now, I can just get to a sufficiently heightened level of lucidity and then just verbally say "IT'S TIME FOR AN O.B.E.!!"

If successful at this point, I'll be more conscious of my actual body which before hand I'm not at all. Before I'm more in tune with my dreambody if any body at all, whereas now I'm conscious of my physical yetstill in an altered state of mind. It's like the interim phase between a series of lucid dreams where there are no visuals, you're conscious you're dreaming and of your body lying in bed but you just wait it out in the black void until some visuals start to form into a new dreamscape which you enter into the next lucid dream cycle.

Well I am digressing, it seems almost like a slight bilocation of awareness, being aware you're observing this from somewhere/place beyond ties of the body and yet you're also slightly conscious of feeling your body but in a strange loose energetic way. So if I can get to this point, I will wind up being in a state of bilocation and my physical body will be in the vibrational state.

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« Reply #18 on: June 07, 2004, 04:11:03 »

(upstream)"I just understand, that you spin not in your bed, but in the void, before regain awareness of your sleeping body. As LaBerge would say, you have an "unusually active REM system." The non-stop dreaming method is perfectly suit for you"

Actually I gain physical body awareness in nrem right off the bat, before I do anything. This is the fragile state in which if you pay attention to the physical body awareness you will gain physical feeling of the body instead of just being aware of the position you will start to gain the feeling of numbness go beyond that and you will feel your body physically and it is awaken from that point on. That is why treading carefully is what I do, ignore the body awareness and continue with what I was doing after I know my body will not try to awaken.
I think its not a good idea to toss everything into categories, without keeping in mind there are still unknowns out there. If everyone did this then we wouldn't know about projections right now we would still be convinced by others they were lucid dreams. I call them lucid dreams/dreamscapes for lack of a better term. In actuality I know its not a lucid dream, and there is actually no term for what I experience. Its not a dream, not a projection, its something completely different,  or perhaps a mix of both, or perhaps creating physical places in the non physical. Lets not get hung up on guessing what these places are and what state it is when you experience going into them. Instead I would like those that have will power and can think on their own to give what I mention a try.
So that they may experience and be able to relate to other people what they experience. This is the reason I didnt want to post my article on a regular forum, I wanted to post it in forums like this as an article and not an any active topic. The reason is because I would have people arguing with me as to what they are with only skimming what I have wrote instead of reading it completely through, and also have people who have read but not experienced it or think they have. No point in arguing or assuming anything, just experience and be all the more understanding for it. Reemy has the right idea, its a good attitude to have. Have no pre-conceived notion as to what will happen, and not take guesses as to what it is, just try and be enthusiastic then experience for ones self. Best wishes, T.L.
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« Reply #19 on: June 07, 2004, 21:55:10 »

Hello T.L.!

Thanks for your reply.

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if you are talking about being conscious in nrem sleep and you are in complete darkness and you notice you cant see and you cant perceive any things of yourself like a body or whatever, this is what happens to me
I'm confused, because your latest post seems to contradict the above sentence:

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Actually I gain physical body awareness in nrem right off the bat, before I do anything.
Before what? The spinning for example? Can you explain it more fully?

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...if you pay attention to the physical body awareness you will gain physical feeling of the body instead of just being aware of the position you will start to gain the feeling of numbness go beyond that and you will feel your body physically and it is awaken from that point on. That is why treading carefully is what I do...
We can't disregard the strong input come from the physical body at times when there is not enough stimuli from an independent source. Where does your attention focused on to stabilize NREM?

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I think its not a good idea to toss everything into categories, without keeping in mind there are still unknowns out there.
Totally agreed. But unfortunately, all we do is making categories then put things into them. For example, considering the state of spinning, we have been discussing it as NREM sleep all along, without having the knowledge of its exact nature.

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I didnt want to post my article on a regular forum, I wanted to post it in forums like this as an article and not an any active topic.
The damage is already done. Sorry for that. I hope people will find this thread useful.

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Reemy has the right idea, its a good attitude to have. Have no pre-conceived notion as to what will happen, and not take guesses as to what it is, just try and be enthusiastic then experience for ones self.
Yes, thats the way it is. Reemy should have no preconceptions because he have not experienced this state before. I have been experiencing similar states for years, so I'm able to make generalisations based on the patterns I've observed. Moreover, my duty is to have some conceptions about all of this.

However, I still not able to dream like you do, so I try to mimic your method the best I can. If someone is able to understand the significance of this method, you should be one of them, because you know that years can be spared by this method alone.
 
So, I would like you to describe your sleep architecture when doing this method, and your regular sleep habits if you have any.

Thanks again,

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« Reply #20 on: June 08, 2004, 05:05:47 »

"if you are talking about being conscious in nrem sleep and you are in complete darkness and you notice you cant see and you cant perceive any things of yourself like a body or whatever"

What I meant by this is that in nrem you are in complete darkness, you arent dreaming, you are more like thought energy in darkness. Since you are not dreaming you dont have a dream body. To spin from here you just think about spinning and you will.

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Actually I gain physical body awareness in nrem right off the bat, before I do anything.
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"Before what? The spinning for example? Can you explain it more fully?"

How is this confusing, I gain physical body awareness before I do anything, and anything would include spinning. As soon as I enter nrem sleep I feel my physical eyes slow to a stop and I feel the position my physical body is in.

"We can't disregard the strong input come from the physical body at times when there is not enough stimuli from an independent source. Where does your attention focused on to stabilize NREM?"

The reason it is so easy to project and do other things from nrem is because the lack of physical stimuli or any other kind. There will be pre obe symptoms but thats also what you want. Now if you are doing what I am and want to stabilize this state before doing anything, what I do is block out what I am feeling and ignore it. Where is my attention? My attention isnt anywhere except for looking at the darkness. Other than that I am not thinking of anything at all.

"Totally agreed. But unfortunately, all we do is making categories then put things into them. For example, considering the state of spinning, we have been discussing it as NREM sleep all along, without having the knowledge of its exact nature."

How do I know it is nrem sleep? Well when I enter this state I am not dreaming for one, secondly I feel my physical eyes slow to a stop and the whole time in here they arent moving. Its not exactly nrem sleep now since we are here consciously. So its nrem sleep + consciousness.

My sleeping habits lol. Well normally I sleep when I am tired. Sometimes I have sleeping habits of an insomniac, and at other times I sleep in excess of 12 hours. Now that I work second shift I go to sleep around 3 or 4am since I am online at this time talking to people. Then I will wake up around 2-2:30pm get ready for work then be at work at 3.

It seems to me you are confusing things a little bit, and maybe over thinking the whole thing. I know it seems stupid saying that, because its not a bad thing to over think something through. Just instead of questioning yourself or whatever you are doing, just go and do it, or try to attempt it. I have tried projection so many times before I had any success with what I am doing now, and all of my failures stemmed from thinking too much about what I was doing while I was doing it. Also the lack of understanding. But you already understand so much about the sleep cycle and probably your own unique sleeping cycle. I knew very little about mine and very little about the general sleep cycle. All I had to understand to succeed was the basics of what I was trying to do then success came.

Since you already seem like you have already accomplished projection and lucid dreams, I dont see what your problem is. You shouldnt have too many problems going from what you experience  to another experience. If that makes sense to you. A few people I have talked to succeeded with this, and some of these people never experienced a lucid dream or projection in their life, at least that they know of anyway. I am sure I didnt answer all of your questions though, so if I missed anything just let me know. Best wishes, T.L.
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« Reply #21 on: June 08, 2004, 05:53:14 »

Ahh, I do apoligize T.L., I did say I would comment here.

now, I am not really that good with dreams, but one time it looked as if you were projecting into a "realm between realms" I speak of the black and dark place you were in. now of course I could be wrong, I am after all not the one who was dreaming.

Have you tried projecting during one of these? it should be immensely easier to do. (sorry if someone asked this already didn't have time to read all the replies)
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« Reply #22 on: June 08, 2004, 07:01:49 »

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Once in nrem consciously isn't it so much easier to start the seperation.

This was absolutely what I found.  Separation was completely effortless.  The vibrations came on strong and quick, and in no time I was able to float up and then get in an upright position.  This was surprising as with my prior efforts (using different techniques) I was still having difficulty with out-of-body movement.

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Perhaps once you can get to nrem with ease, which it will be a lot easier after the first time we can do a joint experiement while projecting to validate them.

I will be in touch with you about this in the future.  I'm definitely interested, but I still have some way to go before I'm confident in my ability to produce this state every time.  I have had two subsequent attempts that did not have the same results.  I think I know what the problems were.  Simple problems really...like being too exhausted prior to one attempt, which didn't leave me enough time to firmly establish my awareness before sleep was unavoidable.  On the other occasion it was the opposite problem--I was too well rested and simply stayed in a pleasant state of relaxation that did not lead to sleep.  I'll be trying this again later today.

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Reemy should have no preconceptions because he have not experienced this state before. I have been experiencing similar states for years, so I'm able to make generalisations based on the patterns I've observed. Moreover, my duty is to have some conceptions about all of this.


Not that it's relevant to this discussion, but for the record Reemy is a she [Smiley].  I can't say that I entered into this without any preconceptions.  I've had success with lucid dreams for years--starting first from natural ability and perfected by the techniques of Laberge.  Due to my natural curiosity I've been inclined to study sleep patterns in general and in myself.  I've had a medical sleep study done, I've timed my REM cycles, I've experimented with interrupted sleep...so on.  But I did enter into this ignorant to the concept of full awareness in NREM.  If anything I might say that I was reluctant to think it was even possible, but that in no way hindered my eagerness to give this a try.  I did this purely as an experiment.  I didn't do it expecting to get the results T.L. spoke of but rather just to see what I would get.

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How do I know it is nrem sleep? Well when I enter this state I am not dreaming for one, secondly I feel my physical eyes slow to a stop and the whole time in here they arent moving.

This is what I felt also.  I could feel my eyes stop moving.  For me a sinking sensation came with this.  I've had plenty of lucid dreams fall apart into blackness (but clearly still in REM) before, where I might try to pull it back together or I might just lose lucidity, but this experience felt very different.  There was no question in my mind that I was no longer in REM.  Hopefully with future attempts I can better explain the subtle sensations.

BTW, I've really enjoyed reading all the posts in this thread.  

Namaste,
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« Reply #23 on: June 08, 2004, 12:00:17 »

Reeny, please accept my apologies for all my sins against you. (We were taught in the university that girls doesn't dream.)

[image]http://www.whimsicalnotes.com/children/bear_with_purple_flower.jpg[/image]

T.J., I don't tease you anymore, thanks for your patience.

Hey, SD, nice to have you here.
Where are we going tonight, heh?
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« Reply #24 on: June 08, 2004, 19:13:11 »

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Reeny, please accept my apologies for all my sins against you. (We were taught in the university that girls doesn't dream.)

There were no sins!  And don't trust your professors [Cheesy]

Love the bear.

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« Reply #25 on: June 09, 2004, 00:52:59 »

(Spectral dragon) "Have you tried projecting during one of these? it should be immensely easier to do. (sorry if someone asked this already didn't have time to read all the replies)"

Yes, that is part of what I talk about in my articles. I note how easy it is from here, and a few other things. I also mention it is in this state where the pre obe symptoms run rampant, especially the vibrations, and the roaring in the ears that accompany the vibrations. Seperating one thing is as simple as thinking of seperation, and then the rest will start to go on its own.

Its alright upstream, wasn't mad or anything about the questions, it was fun. I just want people to try it out for theirselves and experience it. Oh Reemy did you get the roaring with the vibrations? If so, did you note any ear pressure. I am just curious because when I hear the roaring my ears feel like their under great pressure, I have to block it out and ignore it to stop from being awakened physically. Well take care.
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« Reply #26 on: June 09, 2004, 13:23:55 »

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Oh Reemy did you get the roaring with the vibrations? If so, did you note any ear pressure. I am just curious because when I hear the roaring my ears feel like their under great pressure, I have to block it out and ignore it to stop from being awakened physically.

I can't say that I noticed it.  From what I've heard some people typically experience that when the vibrations come and others don't.  I've never had the roaring in my ears.  The vibrations that I experienced with this technique were particularly strong, though.  I even had to tell my self to calm down because it was so intense--they came on really fast and hard, like a roller coaster.
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« Reply #27 on: June 09, 2004, 20:21:05 »

Yes the vibrations I get from doing what I describe are really intense as well, perhaps even a bit overwhelming. Well keep it up, you are doing pretty good with it. Best wishes, T.L.
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« Reply #28 on: May 31, 2004, 08:40:33 »

Wake initiated lucid dreams and astral projections from non rem sleep with consciousness intact.

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For the many people who try to have lucid dreams and astral projections, most methods described by other's whom experience the lucid or obe state are for the most part misleading, not intentionally of course. Rather the experience itself is so complex that they lose sight of how they accomplished it in the first place. That and what they do and their thought processes leading up to the experience is in itself hard as hell to explain and rightfully so.

I have experienced lucid dreams for the first time a few months ago as a direct result of the way I try to induce astral projections. Before I thought I had experienced the perfect state for projection but it wasn't until now I know the exact state to be in. I haven't used this state yet to project because at the time my intentions were on having lucid dreams. I set out to see what occurs between dreams and being awake, meaning can one be conscious during regular non-rem sleep? Having accomplished this I can say for a fact yes. As to what occurs in this regular sleep, I can explain this too.

Once fully asleep (non-rem) with an active consciousness I felt all pre-projection symptoms. Vibrations accompanied by a roaring in the ears and a feeling of pressure in the ears when the roaring sound occured.
Also in the head there is a shocking kind of feeling that spreads throughout the body and with that feeelings of movement may occur. All these added up is what I know as the vibrational state.

So the state to be in is regular non-rem sleep with your consciousness intact. The phrase mind awake/body asleep sounds right and technically is, but seems a little misleading. You yourself are sleeping when people think of body asleep they think "oh the body is numb", well its sort of correct but theres more to it than mere numbness.

I am sorry that I have to go through explainations first before telling you the method I used, if thats what you want to call it. You must know my explainations as to what the mind goes through because most people do not describe it well enough or only give you methods that do not work or they work but you dont know hotw to think with control or you cant control your thought process. I will give my account of what I did and what my thought processes were doing at the time.
                                             
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Alright having explained what I thought needed to be said I will move on. I am not sure if this had anything to do with what happened but I will go ahead and say it anyway. I was half tired and just as equally awake. I had only three and a half or so hours to sleep before I had to leave for work. I decided to use those approx. hours to sleep, anytime I go to sleep I attempt projection and while I try I just fall asleep while trying so its just a part of my sleep pattern now.

So anyway I slept for 3-3 1/2 hours, woke up drove to pick my wife up. Came home spent sometime online, then laid down to sleep/project for another 3 1/2 hours. I laid down and let my mind wander and I kept my thinking pattern going normally until I notice I am in what I call stage 2., which is where sounds have an impact on my body. In short when a real sound occurs in my room I feel it in my body, a slight cushy,win,electric wave will hit my body. Now if this works in my favor that electric shock feeling stays and pulsates this is when I cease and slow my thoughts down and I dont pay attention or too much attention to this feeling. The more I ignore it the stronger it becomes, sometimes I will have to focus on strengthening it, but for the most part I dont have to do anything other than ignore it.

Ideally this shock feeling will spread to the rest of my body and give the impression of being electrocuted, more or less like when I am at a dentist and have the nitrious oxide mask on is what it feels like, but its a really deep body shock feeling. With this sometimes I feel spinning sensations or sinking sensation, with the spinning I feel positive and negative g's but not everytime.

Now is when to stop all thought bud dont lose your consciousness either. ONce I see hypnagogic images and hear sounds I call this stage 3, and this is when most everyone loses consciousness when they are going to sleep normally. Since all this occurs so close to sleep and even mixes or overlaps sleep most if not all of these sensations are forgotten with dreams upson awakening, unless you have good dream recal even then some are still lost. So to recap I am feeling a electric type sensation and seeing visuals. At this point I can do two things let myself go deeper or pay closer attention to the images thus also lowering myself further into sleep only in a controlled way.

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What happened at this point is the sensations already felt intensify or go from moderate to concrete occuring non-stop and pulsating. From here I may drift in and out of consciousness, but I realized this is not what you want. Grasp your consciousness and keep it. What happened next slightly confused me. I still had full awareness but never the less I blacked out (losing consciousness/awarenesss momentarily). It may have been seconds or minutes no longer than 4 minutes, because I mapped out the times from each dream (percepted times and it matches up with real time spent sleeping minus the 20 minutes used getting to this state. When I woke up or I should say gained consciousness but the effect was I woke up in a dream. I dont mean I was dreaming and gained lucidity I mean there was no dream till I woke up consciously then it sort of formed around me (the dream environment).

At first I stood up and said "what the hell happened" then "am I projecting or did I come to in a lucid state"
I looked around and then tested control, and I came to the conclusion its a lucid state. I walked around in this huge empty room. There were windows, nice white walls and a wooden tile floor. The i-beams were a give away this was just a nice office room within an industrial building. I then said "well this is no fun, there are no people around" It was amazing I awaoke in a dream that had no signs of life, just dead silence, no monsters, no people nothing but me. I said time to liven this up, I noted filling this room with people and desks would do it. Then instantly there were desks, people, sculptures and all sorts of office crap around. I then said a phrase I say in real life when I accomplish something amazing which is "Bickety bam" which is one of the hundreds of non sensical things I say on a daily basis.

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I looked around there were more men than women so I thought "more women" with that thought there were knocks at the office door and women entered. I looked around and marveled at my creative environment I have made saying "Holy sh**, I am more in control than in my first two lucid dreams" Okay what I have to say next is the most amazing discovery I made today. I used thoughts or methods from some people but the way I applied them probably hasnt been done before. I want to say first that I appreciate everyone that has read my article this far and in the next few pages I will explain something that I havent seen anywhere else or heard about, so you wont be disappointed. Tust me. I appreciate it because I have taken my time in analyzing my lucid state and noted exactly how I achieved it, and what I went through mentally and the sensations that occured. Then I came to work where I am taking my time to write this out page by page then once I go home I will be typing this out word for word only for others' benefits.

Okay now onto why I wanted to go lucid. The last time I had a lucid dream at one point I seen it start to fade, I focused to stop it from doing so over and over again. But whatwould happen if I let it fade? I know what happens for most people, the dream starts to fade and along with the dream the consciousness fades out until you go unconscious and into a regular non rem sleep with no consciousness and for some people they wake up. but what if you let the dream fade and kept your consciousness? Heres what happened, I found my eyes (physical eyes) werent moving at all. The dream was completely gone and I was completely conscious still, with full and complete awareness of my body and the sensations of the vibes were still felt. I knew and felt the exact position of my physical body. As far as sight, well nothing but complete darkness. Immediately I knew what happened and what this state was it was just normal non rem sleep only I have my consciousness going. It then suddenly hit me like a punch in the face. I researched a lot of experiements with obe'ers, including Robert Monroes and at the times he said he was out of the body, the eeg and technician observing said he was in a seemingly normal non rem sleep. Everyone I looked into the eeg and technician concluded the same, along with some weird eeg readouts that they werent sure of what it meant.

So the projectors were able to relax so well and firmly grasp their consciousness but the let the subconscious take over all body functions, but kept their consciousness in control over their mind. In short its a conscious non rem sleep which is exactly regular sleep with your consciousness intact. NOw here I am in complete darkness, feeling vibes,hearing roaring in my ears, feeling pressure in my ears with the roaring. I said "this is the perfect state in which projection would be simple."

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It came (projection) so easy in fact at that thought I started to feel my legs and arms start to rise, I said "get back into my body" referring to my limbs and they stopped, and I felt a sinking/falling sensation in them, my focus at the time was mastering the lucid state. Once again here I was in darkness, so I wanted to see if I can bring a lucid dream about by thought and focus (keep in mind I am in non-rem sleep) and nothing happens. I remembered some one told me when your lucid in a dream if you see it starting to fade if you spin you will stabalize the dream. I thought well I am not in a dream though, can this work to bring a dream about from normal sleep. The answer amazed me. Even thought I was not in a dream I could spin around. It was more like I was spinning my awareness but when I spun I could feely myself spinning.

I had no pre-conceived idea aslo what if anything would happen by doing this. To my surprise while I was spinning a shard appeard, it was a fragment like a really thin but long piece of a picture, a long rectangle with very small width. The more I spun the more shards appeared, connecting to previous shards. I could see a picture forming before my own eyes, a picture I was not making. I was only spinning. I seen half the picture was finished and I wanted to see what would happen if I stopped mid-way. So I stopped and it started to fade away. I let it fade away and all I could see was darkness again. I said "okay lets try that again"

So I spin and spin, one by one dream shards came up. At first all I could see was backs of seats and they were red. Soon I seen two rows of these seats. Then rows and rows of seats,finally I see a movie screen. Then the picture was complete. It was a movie theatre, at first I could see all the individual outlines of the shards then it smooths over and I am left with a very highly detailed picture of a movie theatre. I said "Now what do I do with this picture?" I came up with an idea to push my consciousness closer. So I move closer to it till I am up against it, I move a little closer then looked around. I look all the way around me and see that I am now in the movie theatre, it was all around me. I said to myself "I am in the fuc*ing picture!!" I jumped up and down because I was so excited. I noted everything and I was in this theatre all by myself.I created people, then pointed my attention to the screen as there was actually a movie playing, and it was a real life movie too. I wont say which movie it would be too cliche.

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I shifted my attention to the people then back to the screen. Now the movie was gone and replaced by a guy talking to a girl it looked like it was a girl movie. I said to myself "can I do this again?"
Referring to getting back to regular non-rem sleep and back to a lucid dream. Once the dream starts to fade I went about my mental technique (explained later) to keep my awareness/consciousness and I was back into the darkness and once again aware of my real physical body and its position. Thinking I couldn't possibly repeat what I just pulled off, I tried it again and to my surprise the dream shards come again. ONce again I could enter the finished pictures. ANd each time I could let the dream fade on its own and keep my consciousness.

I repeated the process till I had 6 lucid dreams each feeling like they lasted a half hour. I sat in darkness whie noting to myself what I had just done and accomplished at that thought my alarm went off. My alarm doesnt make any noise it has a wire connecting a black box, you put the box under your pillow and it vibrates when the alarm time comes. I sat in darkness and said well time to get up and sat up. It was so fluid, seamless. NOe trouble sitting up in normal non rem sleep with consciousness. No apparent paraylsis, no trouble and no lapse in consciousness, which enabled me not to forget any detail of what I had just went through. I set the alarm approx. for 3 and a half hours, it took me about 20 minutes to get to what I call stage 3, and about 5 minutes to come to in a lucid dream, each dream felt like a half hour, there were 6 lucid dreams all together. Add it up and you get 3 hours and 25 minutes almost exactly what I set my alarm for.

What I accomplished was lucid dreaming about 3 hours non stop by will alone. It was so easy I could of done it for eight hours easily. No lapse in consciousness between dreams, which was 6. My physical body felt refreshed and my mind not tired at all either.

So to recap, lay down get to the state I call stage 3 (explained earlier) then keep consciousness till you black out while slowly lowering yourself deeper and deeper. Note: You may drift in and out of consciousness, do not confuse this with blacking out. If you dift in and out you will now because you and  your body will still be awake, when you fight to keep conscious and get to the breaking point you will not be able to hold on and you will black out. when you come to you will wake up in a dreamscape and you will automatically be lucid no need for reality checks you should kjnow why you are there and what you were trying to do before you ended up there.

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Now you are lucid in a dream. What you want to do is let it fade away on its own do not force it to fade. So you may be stuck there for a half hour or so, make the best of it. You may need to know how not to get too involved in this dream, if you do and get too comfortable you will lose your consciousness. What I do to avoid this is keep and internal dialogue going constantly to keep using my consciousness/awareness exercised so they are firmly held. For example if I am walking (I will either think it or say it, its the same thing either way) I will say I am walking, noting what I see along the way. I do this non stop in all my lucid dreams.

Now once it starts to fade out keep sayihng to yourself "ok the dream is fading" and note the things that are disappearing "there goes the wall, the white wall"..etc. This keeps your awareness/consciousness going while the dream fades and prevents it from being swept away as well. After all is said and done you will be by yourself in the blackness. YOur body awareness will kick in and you will feel the vibrations. This state once again is normal non rem, non dreaming sleep only you managed to smuggle your consciousness with you.

From here you can project or go into a wake initiated lucid dream. Projection from here is easy and self explainatory. All you have to do is affirm you are floating up, or just say now I will get out of my body, or even try to picture your room and you will automatically see through the closed eyelids (well for me anyway it does this). It will happen easily. The hard thing is gettihng to a lucid drea, which not many people have methods of doing this without the possibility of either projecting or waking up, but I do. Just spin, spin your awareness clockwise (to the right) as if you were spinning yourself in the physical over and over at a moderate rate, either you dreamscape will form around you or you will have shards show up like I did everytime, if the later happens keep spinning till the shards form a complete picture and then stop they will seemingly seal and a vibrant, highly detailed, vivid image will be the result. Walk into it or push your consciousness into it. Slowly look around and you will see you are now in the picture, it now becomes your dreamscape.

If what I call the dream shards appear from spinning email (email at bottom) me and tell me about it. Each time the dream fades repeat the spinning process once back in non rem sleep. You can repeat this over and over. Give these instructions a try and keep me posted. You can have better odds if you do as I did and set an alarm for 3 and a half hours from the time you started. If you are too awake it will take longer to hit stage 3. If you are too tired you will hit stage 3 really fast. However either way you will get there regardless, if you are 1/2 tired and 1/2 awake it will be just right and easy to do. Each step in this article is vital so read carefully.

Notes: In between dreams and in non rem sleep do not attempt to focus on or move your physical body or you will end the sleep period and not be able to induce another lucid dream. Also keep repeating the dream processes I mentioned for more dreams after about 5-6 dreams your alarm should go off you will have a choice to either continuing the dreams or wake up if you choose to keep going you take a chance of losing consciousness in the lucid dreams and you may forget everything if you do lose consciousness in the dreams. So I would chose if I were just trying this for the first time to wake up like I did in order to not forget the entire experience. Another thing is dont use headphones or listen to hemi-sync audio while trying my methods in this article and dont use ear plugs as you will miss natural sounds that occur in your room or house or outside that might trigger the electrocution sensation that helps in the whole process I explained here. Now for the last note when you are in non-rem non-dreaming sleep with your consciousness and you are spinning your awareness around no thought to what the resulting picture should be apparent. Actually the only conscious effort is put into the spinning itself and just observing the shards or forming dreamscape, dont try to make the resulting picture any different just move torwards and into it and then you make the changes you want to once it is your dreamscape and you are in it. Regards,
                                                     T.L.   contact: vampire2kd@yahoo.com  

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