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« on: December 26, 2015, 01:02:07 »

Hello Ladies and Gentlemans i have one question i watched one of tom campell's videos and i have one question i didn't understand part about Consciousness while astral projecting he said your Consciousnessi is not in your body or in your head so it's everywhere? i mean if it's not in my body is not soul Consciousness? i mean what people call soul xD now i am really confused can someone clear this situation please

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« Reply #1 on: December 27, 2015, 08:19:06 »

I believe soul and consciousness are indeed the same thing. Consciousness doesn't exist in a specific location in space, the existence of space is  something perceived by consciousness itself. We tend to perceive from a single point of perspective because that is what we have become conditioned to through life as a local entity.
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« Reply #2 on: December 27, 2015, 08:33:24 »

 Here's a question for you Thaomas and anyone else that wishes to reply. "Does consciousness or soul as you say have a physical measureable weight?"

 The reason I ask this is because there has been research undergone on this subject that supposedly proved that "something" left the body upon a death. Actually, the weight recorded was 21 grams.

 
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« Reply #3 on: December 27, 2015, 10:24:40 »

Actually i don't know if it's true but my friend described that phenomena as when a body dies muscles are squizzuing or getting smaller something like that biological process dunno
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« Reply #4 on: December 28, 2015, 11:07:41 »

Here's a question for you Thaomas and anyone else that wishes to reply. "Does consciousness or soul as you say have a physical measureable weight?"

 The reason I ask this is because there has been research undergone on this subject that supposedly proved that "something" left the body upon a death. Actually, the weight recorded was 21 grams.

 

It is certainly intriguing, but the same study conducted on a set of dogs showed no weight loss. The conventional explanation is that dogs do not have a soul. I find this explanation unacceptable, it doesn't make any sense; dogs clearly possess consciousness. Robert Bruce even stated that his pet dogs would participate in astral projection with him.

One has to question what the difference is between a human and a dog. Some spiritualists talk about consciousness controlling and maintaining the physical structure of the body. With sufficient mastery and belief one could allegedly master the body.

It makes me think of the double slit experiment, which may be evidence that particles at the sub atomic level are resolved from quantum probability when consciousness interacts with them.

Perhaps the loss of weight is due to the relinquishment of some conscious effect that is being used to maintain the body. Potentially only entities of a certain evolutionary level are capable of doing this, it could explain the discrepancy between humans and other animals.
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« Reply #5 on: December 29, 2015, 18:42:55 »

http://www.snopes.com/religion/soulweight.asp

Personally, I find the whole thing a bit dubious. How can consciousness have weight? Secondly, its hard for me to give much credence to something that isn't realistically possible to replicate under strict laboratory controls.

Maybe we're all made of dark energy.
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« Reply #6 on: December 29, 2015, 21:03:47 »

Hello Ladies and Gentlemans i have one question i watched one of tom campell's videos and i have one question i didn't understand part about Consciousness while astral projecting he said your Consciousnessi is not in your body or in your head so it's everywhere? i mean if it's not in my body is not soul Consciousness? i mean what people call soul xD now i am really confused can someone clear this situation please

The Video : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvmSVx_r3DM#t=1130 ( Thanks Xanth Found it from his website post : P)
It's hard to understand and even harder to explain.

Give this article I wrote a couple years ago a read:  http://www.unlimitedboundaries.ca/2013/02/18/are-projections-internal-or-external-experiences/

These projections aren't "internal" or "external" experiences to us in the same way that we aren't souls "in" or "out" of a body. 

In the end, it's not really something you have to worry about in order to project... you WILL come to your own perspective regarding it sooner or later though.   Smiley
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« Reply #7 on: December 30, 2015, 00:24:09 »

So what's about people seeing their body or about this Silver cord connected to your body?
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« Reply #8 on: December 30, 2015, 00:32:02 »

So what's about people seeing their body or about this Silver cord connected to your body?
I never have "seen" any kind of cord Silver or other. But I have experienced the sensation of "spring back". Which seemed like I was being pulled back into my body from something or someone behind me.
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« Reply #9 on: December 30, 2015, 00:56:23 »

So what's about people seeing their body or about this Silver cord connected to your body?
Seeing your own body while "out" is part of the belief that you are IN a body to begin with... this could be a conscious belief or a subconscious one.

The silver cord is a belief construct as well... it is, like everything else, a metaphor for feeling safe and secure in an unknown.
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« Reply #10 on: December 30, 2015, 01:15:24 »

Thanks for answer ok i got about these 2
i want also ask about "Virtuality" you say that this body and physical life is virtual what you mean? ok if we aren't soul / Consciousness in a body so where our Consciousness is xD i want to clear the quesiton so you will understand like is Consciousness is a soul or where it is if it's me then what's my physical body if my physical body is virtual what u mean in this virtuality
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« Reply #11 on: December 30, 2015, 06:07:29 »

A wild thought appears!
So as I was reading the last post here, I thought, 'hey, all counciousness that I have interacted with, lower or higher, are, so could it be that our soul, our counsciousness, is fundamental for life? or life is mainly made of counsciousness?' and also it appears logical, at least to me, that without not even a One single point of view, of counciousnes or life, at least in our universe, there would be no one to experience, so there would be then, nothing to experience, at all, in this physical reality of ours.

And of couse to add to this, councioussnes had to come to this universe, even if its made of something like light or even something more subtle and it has an infinitesimal small weight or something, but it comes from virtually somewhere/something/someOne/god/source?


It is certainly intriguing, but the same study conducted on a set of dogs showed no weight loss. The conventional explanation is that dogs do not have a soul. I find this explanation unacceptable, it doesn't make any sense; dogs clearly possess consciousness. Robert Bruce even stated that his pet dogs would participate in astral projection with him.

One has to question what the difference is between a human and a dog. Some spiritualists talk about consciousness controlling and maintaining the physical structure of the body. With sufficient mastery and belief one could allegedly master the body.

It makes me think of the double slit experiment, which may be evidence that particles at the sub atomic level are resolved from quantum probability when consciousness interacts with them.

Perhaps the loss of weight is due to the relinquishment of some conscious effect that is being used to maintain the body. Potentially only entities of a certain evolutionary level are capable of doing this, it could explain the discrepancy between humans and other animals.

I agree with this, I have seen both of my dogs with me when I'm out, on one ocassion, I saw my old dog Bongo who died when he was just almost 4, in dog years, I think he was pretty young so I always cryed as a child, but knowing he was just about right.

It could be the nature of counsciousness, transmitting the core of itself to virtually somewhere else??
Finally, counsciousness is in a body, if not all bodies, however its nature of residence must be some non-locality realm... idk. Hard to put to words. lol
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« Reply #12 on: December 30, 2015, 17:16:15 »

Thanks for answer ok i got about these 2
i want also ask about "Virtuality" you say that this body and physical life is virtual what you mean? ok if we aren't soul / Consciousness in a body so where our Consciousness is xD i want to clear the quesiton so you will understand like is Consciousness is a soul or where it is if it's me then what's my physical body if my physical body is virtual what u mean in this virtuality
Tom Campbell uses the video game metaphor to explain this, and I think it works best.

A Video Game is essentially just hundreds of thousands (potentially millions or billions even) of lines of code written by a programmer, but even more basic... those lines of code and all the graphics and everything are simply 1's and 0's on a hard drive.  There's no objective substance to any of it. 

What you see on your screen when you play a video game is a virtual representation (a rendering) of the data which "describes" the game.  This describes this physical reality perfectly.  What you see when you look around physically is simply a rendering of the 'data' being provided to you.  That's what is meant when they say that this physical reality is "virtual".

Any reality which you experience in this manner, as such, is virtual in its nature.
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« Reply #13 on: December 30, 2015, 21:35:59 »

If u look at this life like coded world i mean virtual matrix it's one of the theories but u know i think u must find balance just saying it's virtual and just don't care about physical with his logic people can go to suicide or ruining their lifes maybe u find these funny but i beleive that one word can change whole life view of person i have seen many let say so "spiritual people" in spiritual i mean who are on this path in other way we are all spiritual they don't joke anymore no sarcasm no things which may give them pleasure they think it's unspiritual i mean people are going on wrong ways sometimes when they are trying to come on spiritual stuff one i call them spiritual fanatics being spiritual doesn't mean not enjoying physical life lol
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« Reply #14 on: December 30, 2015, 22:36:51 »

If u look at this life like coded world i mean virtual matrix it's one of the theories but u know i think u must find balance just saying it's virtual and just don't care about physical with his logic people can go to suicide or ruining their lifes maybe u find these funny but i beleive that one word can change whole life view of person i have seen many let say so "spiritual people" in spiritual i mean who are on this path in other way we are all spiritual they don't joke anymore no sarcasm no things which may give them pleasure they think it's unspiritual i mean people are going on wrong ways sometimes when they are trying to come on spiritual stuff one i call them spiritual fanatics being spiritual doesn't mean not enjoying physical life lol
No no, you misunderstand.  Saying that this reality is "virtual" doesn't mean you don't care about what goes on here.  Otherwise, there's no point in actually living!

Everything you said is 100% correct.  Viewing this reality as "virtual" doesn't mean you don't care about what goes on here... it's simply a perspective on the understanding of the nature of this reality.  If anything, it simply means to not be "too attached" to anything physical here, because it'll eventually NOT be here... including each and every one of us.  Smiley

Here is a post I made on my website... it's a video by Adyashanti explaining the "myths" of enlightenment/awakening.  Feel free to pass it along to whomever you think needs it.  Smiley
http://www.unlimitedboundaries.ca/2014/02/13/adyashanti-myths-of-enlightenment-awakening/
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« Reply #15 on: January 02, 2016, 08:28:16 »

I'm not sure that my soul and this present consciousness, that is ME, is the same thing.

I always thought it was, until I read all of Monroe's books...and a certain doubt was introduced. How much of my soul is actually here? Did I only commit a small investment? Did IT only commit a small amount? Who or what, is me?

Monroe introduced the idea of the soul as the I-There...kind of distant soul-group concept, that we are not quite as independent as we think...our soul may actually have put into incarnation multiple, simultaneous lives...along with the idea that, as such, the soul is distantly focused into these earth-bound bodies with the illusion that we are HERE...thus the conundrum that we are actually NOT within our physical bodies, but just focused here...our I-Here...

Each new decade of our lives gives us new perspective on the past, present and future of our individual evolutions.

We strive for belonging and union with Source...and yet we fiercely struggle for independence...but what actually survives this physical death? Or the evolutions that come later? How much of the present ME survives all these transitions?

There is a good amount of literature that says that much of our present personality falls away, is left behind.

I think that much of this personality is what we refer to as the ego, in varying forms. When I question myself about it, the part that reacts is the part that is afraid of dying, of being left behind, of passing into non-existence...

Maybe it's like thinking about when you were seven years old...you remember the hurts and pains and joys...but it is fading...even though, at the time, it was your entire world...

What is the perspective of a hundred lifetimes, looked back across..?

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« Reply #16 on: January 02, 2016, 09:19:06 »

I think that much of this personality is what we refer to as the ego, in varying forms. When I question myself about it, the part that reacts is the part that is afraid of dying, of being left behind, of passing into non-existence...
I think the "part that is afraid of dying, being left behind, of passing in non-existence" is indeed the ego also know as our "identity". It's our sense of "oneness" or sense of self before we move back to the collective. It's all that we have accomplished, everyone we knew and all that we were. Basically any trait with the word "we" or from a first person "I" before it applies.

 You don't get rid of "ego" until you transition for good and who knows it may follow you there as well. Learning to "control" ego is most likely one of the most importance lessons we can learn here in this existence. I feel that's as strong as learning to love. Love and Ego are experienced in almost every aspect of our lives.   
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« Reply #17 on: January 02, 2016, 10:58:11 »

It's all that we have known and learned within this present incarnation.

The scary part is how much do we remember going forward?

"It's all that we have accomplished, everyone we knew and all that we were."

Nicely said Lumaza.
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« Reply #18 on: January 03, 2016, 08:12:11 »

If reality is virtual, I would see our 3D selves as the avatars and our Higher Selves as the players tapping on the keyboard.  And free will would actually be far more likely than having a lack there of.  It would add the needed complexity and require purposeful, independent action of the avatars.  Our supposed free will would simply be a programmed stimulus/response algorithm, the means of leveling our characters, with spiritual attainment as the primary characteristic to be developed.  It would even explain my disbelief in karma, as I feel that all decisions and growth/decline are purely based on action/reaction, and consequences of same, not on some cosmic God meting out punishments and rewards for wrong or right actions.  Just a thought.
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