Does blind people from birth able to see astral world?

[winternights]

Hello, if a blind person (from birth) astral project, does this person able to see astral realms/world or anything?
I was reading that blind persons cannot see anything in dreams, but if this persons astral projecting does it make anything different so they can see then?

[zareste]

yep, I've seen two accounts of it happening

[Envix]

the mind is an amazing instrument it can produce anything. the thing is, the mind often needs help from memory and recognition in order to produce these things. in Astral Projection, this is not the case.

[Xanth]

The issue isn't whether they see or not, but it's WHAT do they see?
They would see the Astral in however way that they're comfortable "seeing" it.
Whatever that is for a person with no real idea of what anything actually looks like.

[Stookie]

There are other ways of perceiving in other states of consciousness outside of vision. Robert Bruce says one of the reasons he created his "tactile awareness" methods was so blind/handicap people could experience the astral as well.

[Xanth]

There are other ways of perceiving in other states of consciousness outside of vision. Robert Bruce says one of the reasons he created his "tactile awareness" methods was so blind/handicap people could experience the astral as well.

It would certainly be fascinating to get some kind of idea exactly how they 'perceive' it.
For example, their concept of 'colour' would be non-existent...

[nickspry]

There are some interesting accounts of people who were blind from birth being able to see during near-death experiences also.

[Uraotoko]

There are some interesting accounts of people who were blind from birth being able to see during near-death experiences also.

wow, do you have any references on that? i've always wanted to know how birth-blind people percieve the world.

[Xanth]

http://www.google.ca/#hl=en&source=hp&q=Blind+Out+of+body&btnG=Google+Search&meta=&aq=f&oq=Blind+Out+of+body&fp=ada65163c2197ad6
Those are the search results I found.

[aaudraa]

Those stories are amazing! It really seems to suggest the existence of a soul or astral body, something that isn't bound by physical limitations. A lot of people think that OBE/AP is just a really vivid type of lucid dream, and therefore all imagined by the mind. Yet it seems highly unlikely that a mind that has never seen could just suddenly "dream" what it is like to have sight. It seems more likely that people are spiritual beings experiencing temporary physical limitations.

Also, if you believe in reincarnation, it makes sense that a congenitally blind person would see in the astral. It is unlikely that his or her astral body is also blind because that would suggest that he or she has also been born blind in every past life, which would just be really really weird.

One should also keep in mind that sighted people often find themselves blind or with limited vision when they first project, so just because blind people don't always see while projecting doesn't necessarily mean that it isn't possible.

[Xanth]

Those stories are amazing! It really seems to suggest the existence of a soul or astral body, something that isn't bound by physical limitations. A lot of people think that OBE/AP is just a really vivid type of lucid dream, and therefore all imagined by the mind. Yet it seems highly unlikely that a mind that has never seen could just suddenly "dream" what it is like to have sight. It seems more likely that people are spiritual beings experiencing temporary physical limitations.

Also, if you believe in reincarnation, it makes sense that a congenitally blind person would see in the astral. It is unlikely that his or her astral body is also blind because that would suggest that he or she has also been born blind in every past life, which would just be really really weird.

One should also keep in mind that sighted people often find themselves blind or with limited vision when they first project, so just because blind people don't always see while projecting doesn't necessarily mean that it isn't possible.

I think when people say that it's a "vivid type of lucid dream, and therefore all imagined by the mind"... I'd have to ask them how they know this explicitly?
I've always wondered why or how people always felt that "dreaming" happens only in your head.  Hmm

[thirdeye26]

Yes, I am sure a blind man can see perfectly well in the astral world. The reason is simple. You don't see with your physical eyes when you are in your astral body.

[Xanth]

Yes, I am sure a blind man can see perfectly well in the astral world. The reason is simple. You don't see with your physical eyes when you are in your astral body.

The question isn't "will they see?".
The question is "what they see".
Having no preconceived notion of what things "look like"... how would you "see" the world if you didn't know what it looked like?

[nickspry]

Someone who has been blind since birth, but then has an operation to give them sight doesn't need a preconceived notion of how things look, to be able to see those things. The same may be true in the other dimensions. Seeing after all is just a perception of differing energy fields. In the dense environment of physical reality we require eyes to perceive visually, but perhaps not in the higher-vibrational realities. So they would probably simply see what's around them minus the personal visual constructs which sighted people seem to add to their astral environment. Maybe.

[ingerul9]

When making the comparison between what blind people experience and what we are experiencing we should take into account the different subjective perceptions of the ones who see. From the point of view of normal sight the experience differs based on the knowledge the person has. This means that even the normal OBE's are unique to each person and have some similarities with others. That's why there is all this confusion with OBE's, lucid dreaming, astral projection, multiple bodies, multiple planes, different vibrations, phasing. These are perception views.

Obviously the experience from a blind person is different than normal sight. We don't assume all the critters, bugs, animals see what we are seeing. They have all range of possible views on the same object but represented entirely unique to each and every one. Every experience is different. It is logical to assume and not to make a comparison regarding our current view on normal sight that theirs is different than ours. Only our conceptual knowledge wants to understand what they are "viewing" in comparison with ours.

Letting this aside you can find on Amazon this book that has some idea about this kind of experience
http://www.amazon.com/Mindsight-Near-Death-Out-Body-Experiences/dp/0966963008/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1265803202&sr=8-3