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« on: October 27, 2015, 07:28:36 »

I've noticed that there are particular exit points, which can lend to unique experiences in and of themselves, and have my preference in terms of leaving/projecting.  My favorite exit point is through the head, especially the top of the head, or phasing out till I can merge with space(which I'm not sure counts as an exit as it's more like expansion), but each one has it's unique flavors. 

I'm not sure how many people like to experiment with methods thought it would be fun to put in context then ask:
What's your favorite exit point and why?
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« Reply #1 on: October 27, 2015, 17:04:45 »

There's really only one "exit" point... you simply phase from here to there.
Any "location" where you feel you exit from and where that location will "take you" is entirely belief based.
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« Reply #2 on: October 27, 2015, 17:47:26 »

So I'm going to place you down for one favorite exit point then. wink
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« Reply #3 on: October 28, 2015, 14:44:58 »

Switch off the physical and glide effortlessly into an alternate reality. No body exit point whatsoever.
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« Reply #4 on: October 28, 2015, 17:45:12 »

Love it.  So easy that way isn't it. smiley
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« Reply #5 on: October 28, 2015, 17:46:46 »

Love it.  So easy that way isn't it. smiley
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« Reply #6 on: October 29, 2015, 11:20:17 »

There's really only one "exit" point... you simply phase from here to there.
Any "location" where you feel you exit from and where that location will "take you" is entirely belief based.
See this is where I beg to differ. I have simply phased from here to there many many times. But in the beginning, as a very young child I spontaneously exited from my feet/legs before I even knew a belief in this stuff existed. I actually still do today.

 We shouldn't always just explain everything away as simply cut and dry. You could if "you" haven't experienced the latter beforehand. But to those of us that have experienced this, these experiences are as real as a phase from here to there is.

 When I awaken spontaneously in SP, I feel my feet being touched. The next thing I feel is my legs being raised, then in a flash I am out of my body and zooming down my hallway, then out my patio window. Now, when I was a child I experienced the same exit process, unbeknownst to a 5 year old child. Was that still caused by my belief system? Because at the time, I didn't even have one, lol.

 Time and time again I see how we say something doesn't exist, simply because "we" haven't experienced it. In a way we here have become like the people that come here to debunk us. Try to listen to what others have to say. There are certainly more answers to be found then just the party line that seems to get toed here all the time.
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« Reply #7 on: October 29, 2015, 13:36:29 »

Interesting post Lumaza.
 I can recall clearly, a similar exit routine when very young. I'd decide to travel around my home area and stay aware of myself. (sounds easy). I'd float outwards in any direction, as that's how it felt, then wait for a golden light to illuminate everything then float through the window on my explorations.
This ended when I was 9 years old. After that time its phasing or spontaneous exits directly into another reality.
It only worked partially at 14 years old and hasn't worked since. I'd guess around 15 mins to exit back then. If primed it takes a couple of mins today.

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« Reply #8 on: October 29, 2015, 17:31:01 »

See this is where I beg to differ. I have simply phased from here to there many many times. But in the beginning, as a very young child I spontaneously exited from my feet/legs before I even knew a belief in this stuff existed. I actually still do today.
I understand, but as a child, due to underlying beliefs based upon what society had taught you at that point, you still ostensibly thought you were spirit inside a physical body. 
Even if you didn't consciously know it or were directly taught it.  For children, it's a case of monkey-see-monkey-do. 

My experiences have shown me there is a huge connection between your "beliefs" and "what happens" when you project. 
It's not like this connection goes away simply because you want it to work differently.  It's simply how it works.

To me, it's not outside the realm of possibility that it's still a very belief/expectation-heavy interpreted experience.  Well to me it's more than that, and so that's how I teach it. 
Feel free to teach it however way you see it.  Smiley

I'm kind of blunt in my explanations these days.  I don't mean it in any offensive way.  I'm just usually pressed for time.
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« Reply #9 on: November 03, 2015, 09:19:51 »

 Not to be argumentative or combative Xanth, but if you haven't experienced a exit from a bodily point of view then I can understand why it is hard for you to comprehend what I am saying here.

 Not only do I experience OBEs from exit points. But each of these exit points seems to have it's own destination. OBEs from my feet/legs have always and still do today end up in a real time experience.

 Exits from my head or what could be considered my 3rd eye area result in either downloads/uploads (that I have written here in the past about) or I will find myself in higher realm projections. In many of them I also find myself as a simple point of consciousness. I don't come to these conclusions from what someone else says. I experience them first myself, then I put the pieces of the puzzle together to come up with my own truths. Now I can understand why during my first years of non physical research I was told there to "just observe" all the time.

 Many famous Authors have written about experiences from LDs, APs and OBEs. Some of those Authors refuse the notion that LDs are the same as OBEs, like Robert Peterson for one. It is true that in the end they are all considered to be or come from "non physical states of consciousness", as Stanislav Grof puts it. But I think we should entertain people's experiences and also their opinions on where it is we find ourselves through each individual entry. If anything, you could get a good chuckle from what is being said!

 I find that my LDs are experienced in a parallel dimension, universe, multiverse, what ever title people seem to chose. I have come to this conclusion from 4 years now of logging my own personal Dream Journals and finding patterns within them.

 I'm sure there are some other members that will join this conversation as well. It is long overdue.
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« Reply #10 on: November 03, 2015, 17:29:11 »

Not to be argumentative or combative Xanth, but if you haven't experienced a exit from a bodily point of view then I can understand why it is hard for you to comprehend what I am saying here.
Not argumentative, nor combative.  However, extremely arrogant.  What's that saying about making assumptions?   Smiley

Clearly, what I'm suggesting means that I've never experienced what YOU are talking about.  Clearly that is the case, right?

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But I think we should entertain people's experiences and also their opinions
Yup, let's entertain people's experiences... unless Xanth shares his... right? 

How about we stop assuming and let people say their opinions... and leave it at that? 
Sometimes everyone isn't against you, they just have different experiences and have come to their conclusions through what you've already experienced.
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« Reply #11 on: November 03, 2015, 22:12:57 »

  However, extremely arrogant.  What's that saying about making assumptions?   Smiley
No, it's the truth. I wouldn't understand it unless I had experienced it for myself either.

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Clearly, what I'm suggesting means that I've never experienced what YOU are talking about.  Clearly that is the case, right?
Yup, let's entertain people's experiences... unless Xanth shares his... right?
I'm sorry, I didn't mean to bruise anyone's ego. I was just stating what I have experienced. All too often I see a conversation like this beginning and then you state your belief and the conversation is dead right then and there. People feel threatened by it. I know because they tell me they do.

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How about we stop assuming and let people say their opinions... and leave it at that? 
Sometimes everyone isn't against you, they just have different experiences and have come to their conclusions through what you've already experienced.
I agree completely. I began my last post with the fact that I wished to keep this conversation civil. No one "else" is against me that I can see. I realize people come to their own conclusions. But they do that from experiencing these things for themselves. I would hope no one is adapting their belief from what I say. I just wanted to know how many other people experience the same thing or similar experience that I do. I felt that by posting here in this thread what I experience, that someone else would come and share their own personal experience with this as well.

 This entire thread was made for conversation on bodily/physical exit points that people may experience, not the lack of them. You stated in your first post that "there is only one exit point...you simply phase from here to there". Then the thread died. I simply stated what I had experienced. I'm sure that Fred Aardema and other AP Authors would have gladly piped in here. Fred teaches these things in his book "Explorations in Consciousness". Robert Peterson gave his book high accolades because of the way Fred explains the actual physical OBE experience. Robert is another famed Author that speaks and teaches of OBEs from a bodily separation.

 Like I said above, I have and still do experience APs from a simple shift here to there. But I also get them spontaneously from actual bodily exit points. For quite a while I adapted Tom Campbell's thinking on this. But then I questioned if I was "all in" on his theories, why did I still experience actual real time OBEs. Something wasn't adding up. So yes, it made me look for other answers. Have I found them yet, no. I don't think I ever will. But that doesn't keep me from actively pursuing them. 
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« Reply #12 on: November 03, 2015, 22:50:56 »

And then you ruined a perfectly good thread with personal attacks and insults.
Neither of which will be tolerated here.
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