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« Reply #15 on: April 18, 2010, 18:30:26 » |
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Can you please sum up on how did he get them to be so long? The link describes initiation technique and his ideas on structuring his OBE-worlds.
Practice practice practice.  20 years of practice, to be exact.
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« Reply #16 on: April 18, 2010, 18:54:08 » |
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"Practice" usually means that the answer to a question is unknown. There are others who practiced for 20 years and couldn't achieve the same length of their OBEs. Is there any way to contact this interesting man?
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« Reply #17 on: April 18, 2010, 22:33:45 » |
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"Practice" usually means that the answer to a question is unknown. There are others who practiced for 20 years and couldn't achieve the same length of their OBEs. Is there any way to contact this interesting man? Nope, practice in this sense is 100% literal. If you're looking for a shortcut to projection... you will never find it.
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« Reply #18 on: April 19, 2010, 02:55:02 » |
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I'm not looking for info on how to project, but on something to make "lucidity" in that state last much longer than it does.
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« Reply #19 on: April 19, 2010, 03:37:57 » |
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I'm not looking for info on how to project, but on something to make "lucidity" in that state last much longer than it does.
Master your own mind. The more you can control your own thoughts and emotions, the longer you'll last. ~Ryan 
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« Reply #20 on: April 19, 2010, 11:31:48 » |
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How long can you last?
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« Reply #21 on: April 19, 2010, 14:15:24 » |
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How long can you last? No conscious exits for me yet.  But my Lucid Dreams turned Projections generally last as long as a Lucid Dream does... so not very long. LoL ~Ryan 
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« Reply #22 on: April 19, 2010, 16:33:54 » |
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OK, so I've read franks manual and it is mind-blowing and most of it actually resonates with me. I get this little yes truth feeling, yes this is how it is. And I'm absolutely in love with the fact in how everything correlates so perfectly and beautifully to the moment I perceive to be in right now where all other materials and books Ive read, with bits and pieces comes together to form your own reality and perception of your own truth. Needless to say the more I get into this stuff the more mind-blowned I get and the more "smaller" I feel, less knowing, lied too, It feels like I'm back in school again and learning about the truth, if there even is such a thing? which is great at the same time it sucks and feels like nothing else matters as the same time I know it does etc etc.
However, that was just random expressions of mine, now back to regarding franks pdf. This is what I haven't figured out yet. If focus 1 is the primary focus of all living beings universe? then what are those other dimensions? 4Th 5Th etc. Do these other dimensions have their focus 1 as well? or does focus 1 include all of the dimensions? from 3rd to 7Th or have many their are? do they are reside on focus one? If not, what are the other dimensions in that case?
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« Reply #23 on: April 19, 2010, 16:46:07 » |
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No conscious exits for me yet.  But my Lucid Dreams turned Projections generally last as long as a Lucid Dream does... so not very long. LoL I see! Well then I'll search for people who can give advice. Good luck with your projecting. If focus 1 is the primary focus of all living beings universe? then what are those other dimensions? You're aware that it's all unreal, right? You could make your own classification. It's not like these dimensions objectively exist.
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« Reply #24 on: April 19, 2010, 16:57:03 » |
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OK, so I've read franks manual and it is mind-blowing and most of it actually resonates with me. I get this little yes truth feeling, yes this is how it is. And I'm absolutely in love with the fact in how everything correlates so perfectly and beautifully to the moment I perceive to be in right now where all other materials and books Ive read, with bits and pieces comes together to form your own reality and perception of your own truth. Needless to say the more I get into this stuff the more mind-blowned I get and the more "smaller" I feel, less knowing, lied too, It feels like I'm back in school again and learning about the truth, if there even is such a thing? which is great at the same time it sucks and feels like nothing else matters as the same time I know it does etc etc. That's pretty much how I feel about all this too. LOL However, that was just random expressions of mine, now back to regarding franks pdf. This is what I haven't figured out yet. If focus 1 is the primary focus of all living beings universe? then what are those other dimensions? 4Th 5Th etc. Do these other dimensions have their focus 1 as well? or does focus 1 include all of the dimensions? from 3rd to 7Th or have many their are? do they are reside on focus one? If not, what are the other dimensions in that case?
Frank actually didn't go too much in detail regarding "Densities". I don't think he liked the terminology. So I couldn't quite figure out if he related them in any way to his Phasing Model. ~Ryan 
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« Reply #25 on: April 19, 2010, 17:07:12 » |
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"You're aware that it's all unreal, right? You could make your own classification. It's not like these dimensions objectively exist." yeah of course, but from what it appears, there are other dimensions, but it doesn't prove anything I guess, until they decide to step down and say hello, if ever, and even that might not prove anything cause they might just be like us but have more advanced technology. But if we could get people who has been to these other densities and met with people there and so forth. I haven't so I can't help that much  I know kurtykurt42 has been way off meeting with greys and aliens? what does he think of franks model? If am to fit franks model with the current "model" of astral pulse I'd say if you go to another dimension/ density you are at focus 3/ something else? or focus 1 / other dimension? a.k.a their reality? I need to calm down.
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« Reply #26 on: April 19, 2010, 17:11:06 » |
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I see! Well then I'll search for people who can give advice. Good luck with your projecting. You're aware that it's all unreal, right? You could make your own classification. It's a subjective numbering system... he could have called it Apples and Oranges.  It's easier to work with a model that we can all agree on. I happen to agree with this particular model. It's also highly based around Robert Monroes model. It's not like these dimensions objectively exist. They exist subjectively. Regardless of labels. Frank and Monroe separated these "focus levels" by how they feel and how "conscious" you are when you're there. ~Ryan 
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« Reply #27 on: April 19, 2010, 18:00:26 » |
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They don't even exist subjectively, unless you want them to. What if you see no sense in grouping various dreams by common elements? I fail to see how categories can help anybody AP  Or prevent anybody from APing, for that matter. They exist for entertainment or dream categorizing.
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« Reply #28 on: April 19, 2010, 18:06:14 » |
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They don't even exist subjectively, unless you want them to. All of the non-physical is subjective. What if you see no sense in grouping various dreams by common elements? That's the best part... you don't have to if you don't want to.  I fail to see how categories can help anybody AP  Or prevent anybody from APing, for that matter. They exist for entertainment or dream categorizing. It assists my Phasing because it gives me a model through which I can use to understand, in objective terms, what I'm experiencing. ~Ryan 
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« Reply #29 on: April 19, 2010, 18:12:02 » |
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It assists my Phasing because it gives me a model through which I can use to understand, in objective terms, what I'm experiencing. Don't you understand what you're experiencing without a model? 
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