Frank's Posts PDF!

[indian]

Following any model (Monroe's, Frank) will be just like making a belief system. Like you followed religion with the concept of father, son and holy ghost.

I see that everybody wants to understand it before going into it. It is like you want to learn swimming without going into pool.

I am seeing things very differently than Frank said. If I start writing, I know there will be another model. That is why I avoid writing anything about kind of experience I get, because I experience something very different than said in books.

So, go, experience and then make any conclusion. There is no use for all these knowledge, because you can not follow these steps when you are there.

Frank himself didn't follow Monroe and tried to experience things of his own. If he would have started following f1,f2,f3,f4,f5 then he wouldn't have known what he experienced.

Regards

[Xanth]

Well, the reason we study it before hand is so we have a general idea of what to expect and so we can correlate our experiences with others.

As for Frank...
He actually followed Monroe in his very footsteps.  Everything from his practices to his astral footsteps.  He walked the same paths Monroe did.  Only after walking the path, he improved upon and simplified it for us. 

~Ryan

[Stookie]

Following any model (Monroe's, Frank) will be just like making a belief system. Like you followed religion with the concept of father, son and holy ghost.

I see that everybody wants to understand it before going into it. It is like you want to learn swimming without going into pool.

I agree with that - it's like a model is needed for communication, but can also cause incorrect concepts and expectations leading to disappointment, which will make things even harder. To really get somewhere, you have to unlearn what you have learned. At the same time, you have to learn to make strides.

Experience is really the only teacher

because I experience something very different than said in books.

Very true for myself as well - I don't think any of my experiences were ever as expected or compared to anything I've read. And I don't post very many of them because I don't want to cause confusion or unreal expectations.

However, being able to communicate the general state of consciousness you were in to someone else in physical dialog is necessary. I have to admit that the spectrum of consciousness, no matter what model, is pretty much the same. Physical interpretation of that spectrum can be the problem.

[Velvet V.]

Indian, I agree with you completely. Although people who wrote earlier are right that they need some common language to describe their experiences to each other, too. But that's fitting only in case when these experiences really match, and it's fitting "after" you've had them and not "before".

Xanth, a general idea what to expect leads to imitation of experiences. It's like unconscious dream programming. But that's ok if that's what you want.

Regardless of what I think about Frank's analysis of his experiences, he is admirable for putting so much effort into learning to project the way he describes. Such determination is rare.

[Xanth]

Xanth, a general idea what to expect leads to imitation of experiences. It's like unconscious dream programming. But that's ok if that's what you want.

I agree completely!  Which is why when you practice you shouldn't have any expectations. 
You can still read about what to expect without those expectations becoming a liability.

[vipassana]

It is like you want to learn swimming without going into pool.

There is truth to that statement. But my personal experience has been, using your analogy, I wanted to learn to swim without ever going into the pool, but then I realized, "Hey, what is swimming anyway?" I wanted to do this thing called out of body experiences, but I didn't know exactly what that was. You can read all of the books you want about swimming techniques, but you first have to learn to jump into the pool and not drown. So in my experience, I've read all about the form and techniques the Olympic swimmers use, but so far I'm just learning to tread water. I've jumped into the pool and all that reading didn't prepare me for how to actually keep from drowning. We're just basically talking about our experiences of how we are learning to swim, and in the process, developing a common language of how we are doing it. Someone needs to tell me to keep form drowning, you need to tread water. OK, great. What does that mean? This is were everyone on the forum chimes in to explain how they tread water. 

[personalreality]

unless you have spontaneous OBEs (which i never have) you'd have no idea what AP was unless you had read about all these other methods and techniques.  Not many people write AP books just to say, "hey, look at what i did!", they write them to teach you what they've learned.  That's how they communicate their experience and that's how you get to be exposed to something like AP and in turn be motivated to try it. 

If you're ignorant to the subject you have to get your start somehow.  And I agree, the method an author writes about is unique to them and it will not work for anyone else if done in the exact same way.  But it gives you something to try and build on.  You tweak it to accommodate your needs and you create something that works for you.  Methods can hold people back when they cling to them and try to hard (i was guilty of that).  But if you haven't figured out yet that some things need to be explored and personalized then it's gonna take you a long time to project.  Methods and techniques are essential in that regard.

[indian]

Well, the reason we study it before hand is so we have a general idea of what to expect and so we can correlate our experiences with others.

As for Frank...
He actually followed Monroe in his very footsteps.  Everything from his practices to his astral footsteps.  He walked the same paths Monroe did.  Only after walking the path, he improved upon and simplified it for us. 

~Ryan

I expected this reply from your side. You are never agreed with anyone no matter if he/she says it from his own experience. I normally avoid replying in a thread where you participate, so much negative energy I must say.

You have started praising about Frank lately and it is always easy to Praise/Worship someone who is  dead or not around. Live people hurt your ego while dead can't. That is why people have been worshiping dead.

I bet if Frank would have been alive (in this forum), you would have argued him with same manner. You hardly listen anyone.

Frank didn't follow Monroe, he practiced and then found that most of the things Monroe said was wrong. He didn't say it bluntly because he was a cultured man.

I am against every religious belief or any other spiritual belief system. These belief systems has made our life so complicated and unnatural.

You said you are following Frank, but I see that you are quoting all the focus stages and everything frank said without even experiencing it. How can you be so sure that whatever you are saying is true? It looks like Frank has made you his assistance?

I can see you red and boiling with anger

Regards

[Xanth]

This debate doesn't need to go on here, as this thread is for something entirely different.
I have PM'd you my response. 

[Chubysnow]

Well, good job Xanth. The PDF seems nice. Your forum karma shot up aswell.

[podizzle]

thanks so much for this. If it weren't for Frank, I would never be able to face the demons that exist in focus level 2. I would think they are reality and not projections of my imagination. Also if it weren't for Frank I would surely melt with fear at the feet of a real negative entity in the true astral. Frank's teaching show that there is nothing to fear. It's most encouraging and I intend to read all 1000 pages.

[Xanth]

/shameless bump

[pondini]

first, i'd like to say thanks to xanth for creating this PDF! the effort and dedication required speaks to your character:)

i performed a very lazy search to determine where i should post the below observation, and decided here is as good a place as any, but i can move it if someone suggests it.

i just started reading the PDF and was struck by one of frank's techniques because it resembled an observation i discovered a few weeks ago. here's the relevant section of his post:

"As far as relaxation goes, you just need to be lying on your back fairly comfortably. That's all. Don't "concentrate" on being relaxed. If you do that, you will never be able to do the most important step. Also, put aside all thoughts of "projection techniques" for now. Because concentration on some technique, or other, will again interfere with the most important part, which is: You need to shift your focal point of awareness (or consciousness) upwards. If you concentrate, for a short while, you should realise that your focal point of consciousness is situated immediately behind your physical eyes. And that is probably where it has been all your adult life, during times when you are awake. There lies the difficulty!!! It is SO used to being there, during awake time, it becomes habitually entrenched. Imagine looking at yourself in a mirror and you had drawn a 1cm diameter circle in red felt-tip pen, in the centre of your forehead about 2.5cm up from where your nose joins to your forehead. That's about where you need to be, focal-point of consciousness-wise. You will probably find that the moment you begin doing it, i.e. letting your focal point rise to the correct place, your eyes will "grab it back". You have to teach the eyes to let go and allow the focal point of consciousness to rise up as I describe. As it rises, you may begin to see little shadows, or glimpses of any sort-of this or that. I call it stray energy. Sometimes I might see a little figure coming out of a hazy mist. Just this morning, for instance, I could have sworn I could see the head of a wolf right in front of me! But you need to teach your eyes not to react to it. The way you do that is to keep practising. At first, as your conciousness rises and you see a tiny glimpse of some image or other, the eyes will suddenly try to look. It's like the eyes say, "What was that??? What did I just see!!!" The moment they try to look at whatever it was, your focal point of consciousness will immediately drop back behind your physical eyes. So you'll have to start again. But after a short while, you will pass through the stray-energy stage and begin feeling vibrations. Once you feel those vibrations that's it, you've done it."


when i'm beginning to be 'dialed in' to a potential wake-induced vibrational state i usually see random pictures of very diverse subject matter in my mind. these have become my cue that i'm on my way. however, my automatic reflexes (things like my consciousness snapping back into play, or my stomach 'dropping' a tiny bit when each new image arrives) have kept me from reaching productive levels, i'm sure. it was only a few weeks ago that i discovered for myself that in addition to the reflexes i would also immediately try to examine all the details of these images, thereby breaking the flow of the process. so i began to just adopt a posture of mental relaxation that would allow myself to not be jarred by each new image; sure enough, the vibrations started soon after. as my eyes were the ones doing the 'examining' i believe this is just my way of saying what frank said above (in bold).

this is not a groundbreaking observation, but i thought it might further validate franks point and help struggling beginners, like myself:)

[Chubysnow]

This is a great method for astral projection indeed! Thank you Xanth and Bless you Frank where you may be.

[podizzle]

Following any model (Monroe's, Frank) will be just like making a belief system. Like you followed religion with the concept of father, son and holy ghost.

I see that everybody wants to understand it before going into it. It is like you want to learn swimming without going into pool.

I am seeing things very differently than Frank said. If I start writing, I know there will be another model. That is why I avoid writing anything about kind of experience I get, because I experience something very different than said in books.

So, go, experience and then make any conclusion. There is no use for all these knowledge, because you can not follow these steps when you are there.

Frank himself didn't follow Monroe and tried to experience things of his own. If he would have started following f1,f2,f3,f4,f5 then he wouldn't have known what he experienced.

Regards

there is no use for this knowledge? frank's f2 level of consciousness where thought=action and separate from f3 (being the astral 'proper') seems like the most important piece of knowledge ever considering how easily someone would be fooled into thinking f2 is f3.