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Klaxen_2008
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« on: May 02, 2013, 03:07:26 »

So people have mentioned a method where you try and keep your mind awake while drifting off to sleep in bed. This can only work when your really tired and you'll find yourself conscious and in the black void where you can make the transition into an OBE.

Does anyone else use this simple method frequently? what are your experiences with it? does it work well? want to hear from people who have used this method.
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« Reply #1 on: May 02, 2013, 05:32:26 »

I was mentioning that in my post on going back to basics. On this same forum.

A method from the Monroe Institute, something going back to the 80s. It works well, but it takes me several attempts before I relax fully. You use their sounds and the method which consists of putting your problems in an imaginary box, and relaxing by relaxing the jaw first, then other parts of the body. It goes all the way down to the feet.

I've tried it again and was surprised that it seemed to work better than some of the stuff I've tried recently which include binaural beats, isochronic tones, etc.

By the way, it's best to practice this when you are awake but relaxed. Not sleepy tongue
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« Reply #2 on: May 02, 2013, 06:25:30 »

Maybe you would like to search about WILD - wake initiated lucid dreams - as your description sounds to me as perfect description of it. Very good tutorials about this method (and lot more) you can find on Dreamviews site.

I personally use this method.
Rarely I'm succesful without help of supplements, but when I use them, I have almost 100% success rate.

As Frequent Flier said - also in my case it doesn't work if I'm tired. I do this method only early morning after about 4 or 5 hours of sleep, when I'm relaxed and close to REM phases.
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« Reply #3 on: May 02, 2013, 06:41:22 »

Yes Frequent Flier, I have read your that thread ‘Going Back to Basics’. I also agree with you.
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« Reply #4 on: May 02, 2013, 12:49:24 »

There's a fine balance to meet doing this. Too tired and you'll struggle with impending sleep. To awake then you'll be in the physical far longer. This is the itchy scratchy annoying doing it actions for quite a while.
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« Reply #5 on: May 02, 2013, 15:49:45 »

has anyone actually done it? what has happened exactly please I mean how did it happen for you?
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« Reply #6 on: May 02, 2013, 19:06:25 »

Well, I've done it in the past, now I'm relearning.  tongue

As someone stated, do it when you're awake but still can relax easily. After several hours of sleep, at a point where you don't feel the need to get up, but can stay in bed a good while and relax.

You could do it at other times too. I often did it in the afternoon.  For me it was a matter of letting go, and not doing concentration or thinking stuff. Mantras, etc. Just let go the muscles, let go of tension, let go of the desire for results, just relax without an objective. Let go.
But not fall asleep.

Gradually, I would move into more and more relaxed states, where I wouldn't feel my body anymore, or had funny sensations like being in a completely different position, or that my body was very straight even though my mattress had a curve.. tongue

And mentally I was much more relaxed, detached. If the phone rang, I didn't feel bothered, I could ignore it.. I mean it was unusually detached, capable of remaining in this near-bliss seemingly forever.
It felt very pleasant and refreshing.
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« Reply #7 on: May 03, 2013, 00:24:00 »

Well, I've done it in the past, now I'm relearning.  tongue

As someone stated, do it when you're awake but still can relax easily. After several hours of sleep, at a point where you don't feel the need to get up, but can stay in bed a good while and relax.

You could do it at other times too. I often did it in the afternoon.  For me it was a matter of letting go, and not doing concentration or thinking stuff. Mantras, etc. Just let go the muscles, let go of tension, let go of the desire for results, just relax without an objective. Let go.
But not fall asleep.

Gradually, I would move into more and more relaxed states, where I wouldn't feel my body anymore, or had funny sensations like being in a completely different position, or that my body was very straight even though my mattress had a curve.. tongue

And mentally I was much more relaxed, detached. If the phone rang, I didn't feel bothered, I could ignore it.. I mean it was unusually detached, capable of remaining in this near-bliss seemingly forever.
It felt very pleasant and refreshing.


sounds intruiging. IT felt pleasent and refreshing but did you project?
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« Reply #8 on: May 03, 2013, 02:59:35 »

I can describe my feelings for you here.

First I will say that the feeling is awesome.  smiley
It usually takes me at least one hour to "get out".
If I can keep my concentration properly, then feelings coming from outside of body - hearings, touches and so - just dissolve and "fall off" from me. I shortly stay in very quiet zone and very soon some feelings from my "dream body" appear - as rotation or floating movements. Then I start to touch environment around me and also my dream body itself, and then I open my eyes and I'm "there".
I have done it about ten times and until now I didn't experienced vibrations or very fast movements - just slow and quiet ones.

Simply said - this is how it works for me.
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« Reply #9 on: May 03, 2013, 05:08:25 »


sounds intruiging. IT felt pleasent and refreshing but did you project?


Back then, no. I was 'close'. But some crappy experiences kinda made me lose interest.  For example, I would relax before going to sleep, more easily than usual because of my training in relaxation, and I'd hear creaking noises...that was typical... but at other times roars, growls like animal ones...

it creeped me out enough that I stopped training at relaxing because it was at a point where I couldn't even go to sleep and have a restful night without that stuff happening, unexpectedly.

I wasn't trying to relax, I would just relax deeply, naturally, by lying down...

but I don't want to let that stop me. I know it happened to others and they survived. Robert Monroe survived his own monsters and wild experiences.   tongue

I don't think that merely relaxing brings this about, but in the state where the mind is awake, you seem to be able to create all kinds of hallucinatory experiences.  I hope they're not all real, anyway. Wink
I was conditioned to search for the ap, that probably helped trigger that 'crap'. lol
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« Reply #10 on: May 04, 2013, 11:25:25 »

so has anyone actually tried this when going to sleep? I think people as misunderstanding me. I mean this as a method when tired and going to sleep.
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« Reply #11 on: May 04, 2013, 21:40:04 »

When training, I didn't accomplish it because I fell asleep before. I was too tired however.  I'm sure it must be achievable.

It's the tired part that's the problem. It's better to not be tired, or at least only lightly.

Once you can already relax, then it's easy. Tired or not...
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« Reply #12 on: May 04, 2013, 22:03:03 »

I think you got your answer klaxen, unless you want specifics?

Because it can be done, just don't be too tired. You have to be able to retain consciousness in deeper states of relaxation. And it's usually a lot more difficult than when your body is awake.

Everyone agrees it can be done, but more tiredness than you can handle in deeper stages and you drift off into sleep without realizing it.

I came close a few times but then would go into a dream like state and paf, I was gone.
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« Reply #13 on: May 05, 2013, 10:45:55 »

I think you got your answer klaxen, unless you want specifics?

Because it can be done, just don't be too tired. You have to be able to retain consciousness in deeper states of relaxation. And it's usually a lot more difficult than when your body is awake.

Everyone agrees it can be done, but more tiredness than you can handle in deeper stages and you drift off into sleep without realizing it.

I came close a few times but then would go into a dream like state and paf, I was gone.

k Thx people. Interesting insight.
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« Reply #14 on: May 05, 2013, 17:33:18 »

Here's my take. This is pretty much the same thing as what many call phasing. I use different terms but they really get us all to the same state of consciousness.

I say that I have phased when I intentionally project without losing my awareness from start to finish and I can only do this when I am laying down. For all intents and purposes, I am physically asleep but when the projection is over, I can immediately get back up but I usually fall asleep. If I do sleep, I hardly ever (I think never, but who knows) forget these experiences though or recall them as just a "dream".

If I have an OOBE from which I find myself dreaming and then gain my awareness, I call that a projection and I no longer value one method over the other. I hardly use the term lucid dream because I rarely remain in that dream state once I gain my awareness. But there is a great benefit to remain in that lucid dream without turning it into a projection. A lucid dream is where you can learn to fly, manifests objects and pretty much act like a clown all you like. It's fun and there is a lot to learn there.

I believe that a dream, a lucid dream, and an OOBE are all the same things with different amounts of awareness and control. I don't believe that I actually leave my body either. I perceive it more as becoming compatible with different wave lengths or vibrations even though these terms do not fully describe what I mean. But for the lack of a better term, they work just fine and there's no need for me to reinvent a language that gets the job done.

One last thing, when we do phase, these are the times that we are most likely going to feel vibrations and hear noises that seem to be external, and all those other weird things (Science actually does a great job in explaining these sensations). These sensations really set some people back. If they do, try projecting from a lucid dream. You can get to the same "place" and skip all of that.

Good luck with your explorations.
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