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« on: October 14, 2014, 04:49:36 »

I had some more questions about some of Tom Campbell's theories. So basically if I am not mistaken when we die or are out of the body our fears will immediately manifest themselves and if we have a lot of fear than being in the larger consciousness system is not a good place to be. My question is, we all have fear and having fear is part of being human. Is he saying that we will essentially create our own hell after we die if we do not recognize that we are creating our own projections?

Also, what about if we have done things in this life that we regret or that are deemed "sins", like lying, cheating, having an abortion. What about those issues? How are they addressed in the after life? All religions/belief systems have their theory on that including heaven, hell and purgatory (for all the catholics) but what about Campbell's theory?


And also, according to Campbell's theories, why are we here?

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« Reply #1 on: October 14, 2014, 05:42:37 »

So basically if I am not mistaken when we die or are out of the body our fears will immediately manifest themselves and if we have a lot of fear than being in the larger consciousness system is not a good place to be.


Well, I don't read others theories about the multiverse and I don't know what Tom Campbell had exactly written about it, but it depends how he had phrased his sentence about fear. Did he use the word Immediate? I have never encountered immediate manifestation of fears. I do have fears like every human, but maybe during several hundred OBEs so far, only twice something like a dark shadow had appeared, but I always dissolve it with sending love and being super strong mentally. So, I don't think our fears manifest immediately after projection. Your general state of mind is most likely to create certain barriers where you cant achieve higher frequency and cant go to a higher realm realities, which are more love and light oriented. In general beliefs can definitely trap someone is self made world and their own mind wont be able to get them out. You can read retrieval accounts here. So it really depends on the severity and the type of fears and beliefs. Just general human fears I don't think can do you any harm and manifest in a super negative way out there.
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« Reply #2 on: October 14, 2014, 05:47:53 »

Hi.

He did say "within seconds". I guess that scared me because i have fears like ghosts, etc. (maybe watching too many horror movies) so would those things come up? or could you move past them easily.

I have never had an OBE although I would like to have one. Is it like you a dreaming, meaning you know what's happening but you don't have the physical side to it like you don't feel fear when you are sleeping (if that makes sense).
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« Reply #3 on: October 14, 2014, 06:03:50 »

Hi.

He did say "within seconds". I guess that scared me because i have fears like ghosts, etc.

Then I don't agree with that and not only according to my own personal experiences but from many other accounts I had read on various forums during discussions. I too am afraid of ghosts because of the stupid Hollywood LOL, and my firs encounter with a deceased person during an OBE was quite interesting. Surprisingly I was not afraid at al. I was a guest at a house where an old lady lived and she told us stories about her and her best friend taking fun trips. Her best friend had passed away few years back. So during the night I had an OBE and I she was in the house. She said to me "I have this broach here, give it to G from me" The broach was beautiful and I took it. I said "You are H" and she smiled and said "Yes, I am". The she hugged me and I was thinking at that moment "OMG, I am hugging a ghost" But again, I had no fear and she certainly did not look like those scary ghosts we see on TV. She was very normal looking. Then the next day I wanted to see photos and sure enough, the best friend on the photo was the exact lady I met during the OBE. Since then I had done many retrievals of trapped spirits, but I am never afraid. Now, while I am physical though I do have fear of ghosts. I posted something about my experience on a haunted ship which scared me pretty good LOL, but I think that's normal, since we have so many limitations while perceiving through a physical body.
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« Reply #4 on: October 14, 2014, 06:14:29 »

See that is where I am confused. Hollywood fear may seem real in this physical reality but in the larger scheme it is not our true fear. Also, with respect to OBE, does it feel like you are dreaming? or that you are like you are in your physical reality?

I had an experience here where there was a spoon moving in my cup, a very paranormal experience. Campbell explains this as the larger consciousness system trying to get your attention.
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« Reply #5 on: October 14, 2014, 06:19:04 »

Also, with respect to OBE, does it feel like you are dreaming? or that you are like you are in your physical reality?


No OBEs are different than dreams. Although dreams also take place in a part of the astral, they are lead by our sub consciousness and you are more like a character who goes with the flow. During an OBE I have my full awareness, I make decisions, I know that my body is asleep and my spirit is observing another reality. And everything feels even more real than in the physical reality. I hope you achieve an OBE soon and experience it for yourself.
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« Reply #6 on: October 14, 2014, 12:54:34 »

It sounds like Tom is simply letting you know that things can manifest and fear of whatever is on your mind may materialise.
You'd need to be a very nervous person with no knowledge or experience for this to occur.
I've been here many years ago and what you percieve is very real.
Then something clicks and you realise it's all your own doing.
You immediately take control as the scene may be very scarey in itself and everything melts away. There's an inbuilt sensibility in all of us and you instinctively know.
Once you face up to these dark scenes they stop dead and you feel elated.
The rest of your experiences are beautiful.
It may be those old days scaremongering tactics have latched onto this apparent test of will and utilised it in a negative way. The Hollywood film industry certainly has.
In reality it's nothing like that shown in the movies.
You cant compare it to anything physical as it's on another level of pleasantries.
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« Reply #7 on: October 14, 2014, 15:07:09 »

So your saying that the type of fear is not at all like the fear we experience watching hollywood movies of ghosts and demons but rather another type of scare?
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« Reply #8 on: October 14, 2014, 16:25:33 »

From time to time we talk about the non-physical personality.  The more you project ( at least for myself and I know some others on here too) who you are in the NP becomes different than who you are in the physical.  The differences can be anywhere from slight to dramatic.  I think it has to do with becoming more of who we truly are and also maybe being endowed with specific gifts for specific jobs.  Anyway, one of the first things I noticed about my developing 'NP personality' was that I was much more confident -basically not prone to being scared of things in the NP like I would naturally be in the physical.

As for the "sins" question, I'm pretty sure Tom says that the only thing that happens to one who lies, cheats, etc.  is you are reincarnated again and will face those same situations again again until you evolve and become more loving, or possibly devolve.  If you devolve completely you run the risk of being kicked out of the system or ceasing to exist.  He says -not a very likely thing to happen, though.

Why does Tom say we are here?  To learn to become love.   Smiley
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« Reply #9 on: October 14, 2014, 17:20:20 »

Yes, the scare is only created by your thoughts and you realise this quickly.
In essence, you only scare yourself.

Expecting to go to a safe place overcomes this and that's one reason why many authors promote this when you start out. Your mind isn't left to run wild with silly Hollywood ideas.lol.
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« Reply #10 on: October 14, 2014, 22:19:48 »

I had some more questions about some of Tom Campbell's theories. So basically if I am not mistaken when we die or are out of the body our fears will immediately manifest themselves and if we have a lot of fear than being in the larger consciousness system is not a good place to be. My question is, we all have fear and having fear is part of being human. Is he saying that we will essentially create our own hell after we die if we do not recognize that we are creating our own projections?
What I have found is that most people equate an experience where the environment/experience is driven from the consciousness of the experiencer as a "dream".  If that experiencer is aware that they're dreaming, then most people call that a "lucid dream".  Then if they're then consciously aware and they believe they're experiencing a reality NOT driven from their consciousness, they call it an "astral projection".  So many useless and meaningless terms, eh?  LoL  Smiley

Your "fears" will manifest however fast as they do during a dream.  You can be lucidly aware and think of a monster and that monster won't necessarily appear right then and there.  

Take this into consideration... you create your own reality here physically.  It's all about your perception and intent... if you perceive your life to be hell, then guess what you're going to experience.  Hell.  I prefer to view life a little more optimistically.  That doesn't mean, however, that bad things don't happen to good people... but how the good person (prospectively) reacts to the situation is going to be much different from a "bad" person (perspectively).

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Also, what about if we have done things in this life that we regret or that are deemed "sins", like lying, cheating, having an abortion. What about those issues? How are they addressed in the after life? All religions/belief systems have their theory on that including heaven, hell and purgatory (for all the catholics) but what about Campbell's theory?
It's all individual.  Meaningless terms to me... I don't see "sins" as existing.  There are only what *YOU* perceive as being right or wrong.  How are they addressed?  How would you address stepping on an ant?  Is it right or wrong?  Shades of gray, perhaps?

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And also, according to Campbell's theories, why are we here?
To learn to Love.
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« Reply #11 on: October 14, 2014, 22:34:31 »

Is he saying that we will essentially create our own hell after we die if we do not recognize that we are creating our own projections?


One piece Tom adds is that once you die, you go into what Robert Bruce calls the "Hospital realm."  He says that "They" basically tell you that everything is ok and keep you occupied until you can reincarnate again, or "jump in line!" as Tom puts it.  As you are kept occupied, your whole life will just fade away like a dream does when you wake up, and you'll be ready to go back into the system again to, as Xanth put it, become love and evolve.  The learning is to be done in the "schoolhouse," not when you die.  There wouldn't be any point in scaring you and creating a hell while you're waiting! Smiley
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« Reply #12 on: October 15, 2014, 00:11:30 »

That names perfect sense to me about being a different person when you astral project in the sense that your true inner being shines through and you may not necessarily be scared of things in the astral realm that you would be scared of here. When I have nightmare or lucid dreams, I am not scared at all. Most of the "fear" I developed here is all surfaced.

I totally agree about us creating our own hell but now I have another question. Tom talks about the future in statistical probability. Now how can we say, for example, that people walking down the street on our way home have anything to do with intent or statistics. Their notice is totally random. Can someone explain this?
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« Reply #13 on: October 15, 2014, 03:25:04 »

The only fear in projection comes from the sleep paralysis stage. After that you are free.
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« Reply #14 on: October 15, 2014, 04:09:59 »

As to "why" we're here... consider that while you're non-physical, you're basically an immortal being.

How much can you learn when there's no "risk" involved in your decisions?  That's the point of this reality... you have to make decisions, life and death decisions, which will influence how you exist within this reality.  THEN, you have to live with the consequences of those decisions. 
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