Question about somethign in the faq section...

[clandestino]

I thought RTZ was on a high frequency b/c it was harder to get to.  For me atleast, lucid dreams are easier to get to than RTZ.  I enjoyed my RTZ experiences, b/c things looked more realistic, and I could walk around without floating, lol.  I could experience things that were really there, instead of having my imagination altar my perception.  RTZ is also better, b/c that's where I met my spirit guide and one of my totem animals.  I think it's like a station on the radio, something I'm tuning in to.  RTZ is the best station, b/c you can go spy on people! lol.

Hi there Lily, I'd agree with you when you say it is like a station on the radio.... The "real time zone" is a station on the radio, no more or less significant, in my opinion, than the other stations you experience when you are lucid dreaming or projecting.

Ok, consider that the RTZ is just one of many "radio stations" - no more important than others. Not "higher" or "lower".

How well can you tune into that radio station ? Is the reception crystal clear ? or is it a little bit distorted ? or very distorted ? Again, being able to "tune in" doesn't, IMO, make for a more important / significant experience.

Lets take a lucid dream. How lucid do you really become ? can you "tune in" to the point that the experience is as real as everyday life ?

When you are in a lucid dream, try demanding/ stating your intent. " I will see clearly" or "I will have an OBE" or "I will travel outside my body".  Good luck !

[Vvid1012]

well.. I believe radio stations are based off a range of frequencies   

I would agree that the RTZ is on a frequencies (assuming that's what it is) that is either similar the phsyical plane... OR a harmonic of it..musically--an octave higher or so..so that it resonates well within our dailyness.

[CFTraveler]

I'm inclined to agree with CFTraveler here.  I don't like the term "lower", but I'll let it go this time.  I find the RTZ the easiest to get to.  It's automatic almost.  I disagree with CFTraveler about energy work - I don't do energy work. 

Phasing is tantamount to lucid dreaming and is more enlightening and productive, in my experience.  Whilst the majority of members here are wanting to experience an RTZ OBE, they are pretty dull compared with lucid dreaming/ phasing/astral projection.  However, experiencing an RTZ OBE is one of the most amazing things that has ever happened to me and I still thoroughly enjoy them now - the reason I call them "dull" is that mine are often short-lived, don't "go anywhere" or "teach me anything" and I usually spend my brief time enjoying pushing my hands through walls and so on. 

The good thing about RTZ OBEs (again, in my experience) is that if I do go through my bedroom wall (for instance), I tend to find myself in an "astral" environment (i.e. not where I expected to be, such as the kitchen).  Only last night I ended up in a room with four monks getting on with whatever monks do.  I was interested and wanted to stay.  I think my yearning to stay and learn about these monks got in the way of the experience and I was back, even though I tried to hold the image for as long as possible 

Sarah

Sorry about the "lower"- force of habit.  I don't even agree that it's 'lower' -it's just easier to think of it that way because of we tend to think that the material world is 'low'.
As to the value of energy work I just point out what works for me- for me it makes a difference.

[Kodemaster]

Hello everyone:

I hesitated to answer this post because I really wanted to think out my reply and read the other replies thoroughly.

Frank refers to entering the astral through a dream in the post I quoted in the FAQ. This technique has proven rather "hit-or-miss" for me, but seems to be easier than any other technique. It's not an "exact science." I can end up in the RTZ, a lucid dream or the "astral proper" as Frank referred to the astral zone outside of the RTZ.

In most cases, I end up in the RTZ, and have to focus on my vibrations and "rev up" them in order to end up in the "astral proper."

I think the major distinction between the different, or "higher/lower" levels or zones in regards to how to enter them, is how much energy you need. The more etheric energy you have, the "higher" (or denser, as I like to say) the levels you can reach. If you're already in the "astral proper" you can rev up your energy to enter the Akashic records. In fact, I did that a month or two ago and posted the experience here.

Hope this all makes sense to you. When dealing with abstract concepts it is sometimes hard to express yourself. The nice part about them is, that many people can offer different insights into the same concept, and still come up with a parallel conclusion.

Jen

[lily moonsong]

I didn't realize this would become such a popular thread.  Thanks for all your responses, it gives me a lot to think about and work with in my practices.