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« on: October 11, 2011, 01:20:39 »

Hi all,

It's been a while since I've posted anything other than a reply or something but I have been continuing my experiments. I came across a realisation last night as I was settling in for a sleep, so I wasn't actively thinking about AP'ing or anything but of course it's always in the back of mind even when I am not actively thinking about it.

Let's get one thing perfectly clear, when I shut my eyes it's anything but "black".. I've never, ever, experienced "blackness" when I close my eyes. It's more like a foggy, cloudy greyness. It's basically like seeing clouds or swirling fog/mist where the only detail is whether it is lighter or darker than another part. There's a generaly shade of greenish-yellow and sometimes a little yellow-orange depending on the time of day etc but it's certainly never "black".

Often when I first close my eyes, I get flashes of light appear immediately. Usually it's more like a spark rather than an overall, diffused flash.. so there is a definite point in my consciousness where the flash originates followed by the diffused light of the flash. So I like to think of these as "Sparks of Thought". I don't generally think much of these as they are just distractions and my brain making sense of the "greyness" in front of me due to the lack of visual stimuli.

Now to my realisation: The astral is "beyond the clouds". When I think of that fog/mist/cloud of greyness that I see in front of me, it is generally perceived as a "wall" of clouds or fog. That wall is usually anywhere from a few inches away from my eyes, or up to a foot away. It's a perceivable distance and the cloud-wall is a perceivable object that is separate from me. As I go deeper into my consciousness, this distance becomes less objective and more subjective.  The concept of the distance becomes more towards infinity.. but essentially, it becomes less meaningful.. less tangible in terms of time and space.

Beyond the cloud-wall is where I generally perceive the flashes of light, so it's like looking at the moon through the clouds or when you see lightning flash within the clouds. You can see there is light there but the clouds are diffusing the light and partially blocking the object. If you were to fly up, as you get closer to the clouds then the effect starts to become like when you have your eyes closed; you can just see a mass of swirling clouds across your entire vision. As you begin to move through the clouds, they begin to thin and the moon (or whatever) becomes more and more clear to you.

The way I perceive all of this is that the astral is just beyond the grey cloud-wall in front of me and what I am starting to try to do is reach forward with my consciousness to move through and beyond that cloud-wall. It's very similar to the way Frank Kepple describes a room starting off dark and then the light starts to build up and when you get to full brilliance, you are in Focus 21 or beyond. It's essentially the same idea but something that can be perceived from the beginning of closing the eyes and then visualising through all the stages of change.

I've only just come up with this idea/realisation, so I've not fully explored it.. but it seemed so profound to me last night that I had the idea to come and share it.. it doesn't seem so profound now.. and I am having difficulty explaining it how I perceive it.. but I've done the best I can.

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« Reply #1 on: October 11, 2011, 17:59:55 »

Interesting. I can relate to a lot of that and understand the analogy. I'm not quite sure how that fits into a theory, though, assuming that's how you intended to present it. In other words, you gave a bunch of solid observations but didn't conclude a whole lot, unless I missed something.
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« Reply #2 on: October 11, 2011, 21:22:06 »

It's been a few years for me, I do remember seeing a golden red color with intermixed pink, yellow, and green.  If not that, then pitch darkness.  I don't 'see' like that anymore.  Also, when looking through my eyes, I could see different kinds of swirling things and splotches and such.  It looked like a camera lens that was dirty.  I don't get that anymore, when I close my eyes, it's not 'seeing darkness' it's just 'no vision'.  My eyes are buggered up.  So is my focus.  Broke too much apart trying to sustain various kinds of realms, and lost my astral in the process.

The astral is supposed to be a higher dimension.  So it situated as a larger Earth but lighter and with some properties inverted, (like gravity, or heat, light), it makes sense that it is the result of actively projecting energy or consciousness upwards into the vibrations of Core Earth that are amassed at the upper levels of the atmosphere. 

I'm interested to know if you are an empath with minor clairvoyancy.  Can you provide any description to that effect?  Sometimes, consciously projecting can develop in or fill the gaps in consciousness, rejuvenating lost mental capacity.
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« Reply #3 on: October 11, 2011, 22:38:47 »

In my younger days I can certainly attest to some level of clairvoyancy but I have always had above average (at least to my perception) empathic abilities. These days I guess it's all become second nature and I don't readily identify individual events as clairvoyant.. just the element of empathic awareness remains in the readily identifiable range of perception.

In regards to the theory, as such, what I was trying to present was a possible method people could use to focus their awareness. I hear/read often about the blackness when one closes their eyes and so many methods are based on either pure visualisation within the blackness or simply exploring the blackness. However, when there is no blackness from the very outset.. what does one do? So I presented this idea of the "cloud wall" and trying to perceive that there are two distinctive sides to the wall; one on "this" side where we start and then the "other" side where we move beyond our limited awareness. The cloud is a real, in so far as something mental can be real, object that can be perceived rather than just a metaphor. So by using this method, I hope that I might be able to use the cloud-wall as a already existing visualisation without the need to conjure up other imagery.


Once the focus of awareness has "pushed" beyond the cloud-wall, one should have entered somewhere between the Focus 12 with intention being to move on to the 21 state and beyond; that is, beyond what the physical eyes are perceiving when the eyes are closed.
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« Reply #4 on: October 12, 2011, 02:03:05 »

I still have to read the material concerning focus levels.  Then perhaps I could better designate where a 'phaentia' can be found in consciousness.

When I'm outside during the day, and there are clouds in the sky and wind and pleasant smells or car fumes, and there is activity and people doing things and going places, it usually feels like a home base for astral projection.  Stay out there too long, I come home with a cooked head.  Wouldn't hurt to wear a hat.  What I'm saying is that with the openness of a clear blue sky, we can allow anything to materialize like the clouds of thought that obscure our view of reality.  If those clouds weren't there to protect a tender spirit, then what would we be seeing full time everyday?

From what I know of this subject, those colors or clouds are not distance based.  They are the biological harmonic frequency in combination with every object in your area.  It is like a wall of static formed from your sensory and that which is directly in line of your local effect space.  Perhaps those clouds could be cleared out to sustain a clear and perfect vision of reality.  That could in fact be what astral projection is... the dimension of a harmonized vibration.  Universe is a massive place, and we can explore it with astral travel.  Sometimes, the only thing that holds us back from having a projection, is the terrifying fear that our whole reality changes itself to produce one hyper animate voyage.  All the more reason to protect your spirit, and be thankful.

Sometimes I see a more vibrant form of light, and it makes each object clearer, it's like putting on glasses that magnify everything.  Perhaps we are a different element??  I have to wonder about that, that's what I'll do.  Anyway, yeah, if I see any clouds, I know what I'll be doing with them.  Good old cotton.
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« Reply #5 on: October 12, 2011, 02:45:28 »

It is like a wall of static formed from your sensory and that which is directly in line of your local effect space.  Perhaps those clouds could be cleared out to sustain a clear and perfect vision of reality.  That could in fact be what astral projection is... the dimension of a harmonized vibration. 

Yup, that's kind of what I was trying to explain... that by getting beyond those clouds, thinning them out, lifting the veil (and all the other analogies), we can see clear through to the greater realities.
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« Reply #6 on: October 12, 2011, 03:42:33 »

on topic of beyond the clouds, the effect is the same whether you are opening your awareness to the heavenly spaces and great distances, opening it up to the cosmic celestial vantage, or whether you are worshiping in the way of lifting your prayers up into the highest heights of heaven where God is said to reign.

In terms of Planet Earth and how there are multitudes of living beings, it is quite likely that in one sense, we are alive on Earth and grounded, we do things daily for 'life effect' or 'impulse'.  We have animals and keep pets in the house.  In an astral dimension, the cats could be much larger, and they would be our masters in that astral dimension. 

I really do believe that it is infinite.

Some rules apply.  Back to the topic of beyond the clouds, what I'm failing to convey is the fact of the intensity of a vibration in our reality, and that of the same source of vibration in the astral after the astral has been expanded to encompass the entire atmosphere.  It is like a proportion.  If in a parallel, larger scale Planet Earth we are just fairies and our wings are invisible auric butterfly wings, then that would explain why people fly and go soaring around and oh it's so wonderful and all that.  In another way, if we are grounded and more focused, we will not focus on celestial realities, and become like normal mundane human physical organisms.  Haing said that, I'm going outside to 'play'.
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« Reply #7 on: October 14, 2011, 22:17:38 »

So I've been fooling around with this idea since posting the idea the other day and last night I got some results.. not an OoBE but something that I've never got before.. if I thought I was close, to consciously activated OoBE'ing, before then those previous experiences were nothing on this. As I was looking at my "cloud-wall" I realised that it is something akin to me looking within myself.. like my self is being reflected in the back of my eyelids insofar as the energy fluctuations I am witnessing are biofeedback from my brain.. so with that in mind, I affirmed to myself that "what I am seeing is my greater energy body" and then I also affirmed to myself that "I just need to let it all go, stop thinking, stop my internal voice commenting on everything.. just allow it to take over".

The next few minutes were me basically "spinning".. I could still sense my physical body in the background but my consciousness was spinning really fast.. it felt like my head was inside a washing machine or clothes dryer and spinning, spinning, spinning.. actually.. the effect was more like the insides of my head were spinning because, as I said, I was still vaguely aware of my physical body including my head. I had the perception of light or lights rushing past as I span around.. and I just let it happen.. I wasn't scared.. I wasn't worried.. I just allowed the feeling to overcome me and see where it led me...

Unfortunately I got a bit excited at that point and my internal voice started up again.. but for the brief few minutes (I'd guess around 2 to 3 minutes of "perceived" time) it lasted, it felt so... different. Like nothing I have ever experienced.. it was nothing like that spinning feeling you get when you are drunk and lay in bed.. no.. that is nothing like what I was experiencing.. This was something that was nothing to do with the physical body at all..

Anyway.. I'm sure this is just another milestone/test, one which I feel I passed well because I didn't freak out etc..
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