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« on: September 19, 2016, 14:38:43 »

I have this problem that i can't really point topic into one direction Cheesy and mostly my opened topics are too basic sorry for that tho...

This is old quesiton in terms of good and bad, good intent bad intent call it what ever u want. Why do "bad people" with "bad intent" are sitll living fine like not getting this bad intent back and many people with "good intent" may suffer more then those "bad people".

these type of questions may sound stupid but let' say so i am on my way choosing what path i am going with i want to really clear the situation and understand where i will really feel comfortable and what can be a trap and what can be a good doorway to better way, plus i am little bit skeptic Cheesy
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« Reply #1 on: September 19, 2016, 15:50:07 »

Destruction is easier than creation, however living is better with creation as destruction is self terminating.
When you see the big picture there's not much destruction in these bad people, what they achieve is petty. It's the knock on effect of those who are creative that they seem to be happy with.
The cure is to pity these people and let them know they're pitied. They soon get bored with their little games.
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« Reply #1 on: September 19, 2016, 15:50:07 »

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« Reply #2 on: September 19, 2016, 16:02:25 »

From big picture everything looks small like let me bring bad example bad someone killed someone from 7 billion people 1 died 6 billion people or even more don't care and didn't even know about it but does it make this death less or more valuable, i have a little bit problem bringing any valid arguments Cheesy on english so hope u udnerstand what i said

anyways from your answer does that mean that u can actually have bad intent and nothing bad will happen to you? i mean i will be honest sometimes i am manipulative it's like that u have to be manipulative to get something i know that this isn't far the best mindset and it can be my deep bbelief and that's why i can't do another way, for now i want to clear this mess inside my head u know one staments goes against other what is better what should i do and don't, don't get me wrong but i still don't get answer on my quesiton does this mean that the intent u send actually doesn't come back?

When u say self terminating u mean that something based on fear or destruction will fall by it self? yes maybe it's true if u meant that but after that goes off they can create a new one i don't want to bring a speciffic person just know that i am not speaking from air Cheesy there are some examples i can lay on that sometimes manipulative people even most of times are more succesfull in relationships work or what ever and it doesn't go bad against them
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« Reply #3 on: September 20, 2016, 02:43:30 »

This is a really interesting question and it's one I think all rational people contemplate sooner or later. It does often appear that people with bad intent enjoy life more and get more from life. I think perhaps one answer is that those people with bad intent probably don't have capacity to see their actions as bad and so they don't often 'feel guilty'. In other words they feel they deserve to live better because they may view themselves as ruthless and smarter than those of us who are ruled by our conscious.

If that is true then it points to logic that we are the creators of our own fate.
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« Reply #4 on: September 20, 2016, 07:38:25 »

Yes indeed, an interesting question. I will add my 2 cents worth to the good answers already given.

Our Earth Learning System is basically of a predatory nature and an attitude of cold, logical ruthlessness does seem to work best, at least for the short term. The lack of an apparent, immediate negative-feedback response does leave "good" people scratching their heads, wondering why they should persist in "good intent" actions which are often the more difficult path.

But this is one part of the harsh reality of this learning system and one key to it's effectiveness. The "contrasts" provided by the choices we all make, the good versus bad, the Good versus Evil...and all the shades in between.
These are the demonstrations and actions we learn by; by what we observe others doing and how it affects everyone; by our own actions and how it affects everyone.

As Szaxx pointed out, hopefully we soon learn that destruction is short-term and self-terminating.

And at least for most of us, we are given a most challenging tool to figure it all out- Free Will

But an integral, necessary part to this learning system are the people who choose the "bad intent" course of action. Without them making that choice, we would not have the contrast or the potential lessons from which to observe and learn, even when their actions do us harm. We can speculate that a person continually making "bad" choices eventually becomes a "bad" person, possibly an "evil" one, and that their road to redemption will be equally hard and long as the road that got them there in the first place; but are they not just as necessary to the equation as the "good" person? An interesting not so-philosophical question.

A fascinating place Earth: in one part war, another part peace; one part poverty and disease, another prosperity and relative health; slavery there, freedom just a few hours away...





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« Reply #5 on: September 20, 2016, 07:58:15 »

I like all the replies. Basically this is a learning system and certain challenges need to be set up and created by the so called bad guys. Someone needs to take these roles. It's all about experience from many perspectives. Therefore, we exist in so many levels and realities as so many different characters. If in this reality if you are a good guy and someone is a bad guy, in another reality your roles may be reversed.
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« Reply #6 on: September 20, 2016, 08:32:01 »

A fascinating place Earth: in one part war, another part peace; one part poverty and disease, another prosperity and relative health; slavery there, freedom just a few hours away...
A Planet of "balance".

 We need to remember though, one man's good/positive is another's evil/negative and visa versa. We see this often in War. One side hates or believes the other side as being wrong and feels they are just. Just as the other side does as well.

 We came here to this physical realm to experience and as Lightbeam points out, to learn from those experiences.. The good, bad and ugly are all experiences. So is "Love" and "Hate".

 Lessons learned in the "Otherworlds" will drive that point home quite quickly. I was actually shocked for about 3 weeks and in total confusion by something I was shown there. It was definitely a "wake up call".  At the time, I thought I wasn't ready for it. But if I wasn't, I wouldn't have been shown it in the first place.
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« Reply #7 on: September 20, 2016, 11:08:42 »

Consider a murderer in today's society. Perhaps they kill out of fear. They are already suffering, even if there is no magical karma force to inflict physical woe, their actions could already imply a mind of turmoil. Even a billionaire celebrity cannot get away from the fact that at the end of the day they are stuck with their own mind.

On the other hand in another society murder could be an embraced and cherished part of life for warlike people. Lions are known to murder other Lions and they are beautiful animals, we only draw arbitrary lines of what is good and evil for humans. All experience is beautiful and equal perhaps.

So why be a good person is the question. The answer is that experience is all subjective and your experiences to date have lead you to be dissatisfied with anti-social behavior. For this particular experience you are aiming at a certain path and it doesn't matter whether there is justice in it.

I choose to try and be a "good" person because that is the path I seem to enjoy, get excited by, and see a future for. If you are most excited by murdering people - don't hold back...

Maybe one day you would turn away from those actions and realize the error in your ways, but maybe not, the evil path may have just as much depth and satisfaction as the path of good. Maybe at the end of the good path you will realize you should have been a selfish jerk. Maybe both paths end in the same place as a full embrace of any and all experience.

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« Reply #8 on: September 20, 2016, 15:34:26 »


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Maybe one day you would turn away from those actions and realize the error in your ways, but maybe not, the evil path may have just as much depth and satisfaction as the path of good. Maybe at the end of the good path you will realize you should have been a selfish jerk. Maybe both paths end in the same place as a full embrace of any and all experience.



It's better to get to this place without redemption.

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« Reply #9 on: September 20, 2016, 17:32:00 »

Maybe i missunderstood but so does this mean the intent u send comes back only if you beleive it so? if not then my quesiton is same why it doesn't come back to so called "bad people" and also about this dark path i always try different views and things if u like take one and don't try to change it how can u have many beautiful experiences.

The one thing i understood is that knowledge doesn't mean so much without practicing, experiencing it , acknowledging it by your self.
For example i knew what to say or how to communicate with people this is basic example i had this basic knowledge but when i had to do it i failed hard, but after gathering experience it's much easier and easier u start to understand others and see beauty in communication maybe same goes for bad/good path u have to experience both to understand

But my quesiton isn't still answered : ( Cheesy
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« Reply #10 on: September 20, 2016, 18:59:31 »

Maybe i missunderstood but so does this mean the intent u send comes back only if you beleive it so? if not then my quesiton is same why it doesn't come back to so called "bad people" and also about this dark path i always try different views and things if u like take one and don't try to change it how can u have many beautiful experiences.

The one thing i understood is that knowledge doesn't mean so much without practicing, experiencing it , acknowledging it by your self.
For example i knew what to say or how to communicate with people this is basic example i had this basic knowledge but when i had to do it i failed hard, but after gathering experience it's much easier and easier u start to understand others and see beauty in communication maybe same goes for bad/good path u have to experience both to understand

But my quesiton isn't still answered : ( Cheesy

I think "bad" people eventually need to work out their nature here or after returning to NP and finally they will go on a better path but it depends on the evolutionary path which everybody is on. Maybe good people see some people as bad according to their money making methods or that they are this and that. Really bad people will not escape from their acts because in the end, they will judge themselves.

Good people are on a better path to became one with their inner selves and if you do good to others there is a saying that do good and don't expect anything in return because the Universe or the NP will pay it back to you in ways that you can't even imagine.

One thing is to know something from books and from others and another things is that you are not just saying, you ARE that (anything, like love, helpful etc.). Most people are good, but after death they are not so ok with themselves as I've read it, because they didn't learn to love themselves first. You must need to learn yourself first, be it - and you will radiate it out, the positive energy to others. You are IT. And life starts to be so much positive and lovely. OK not in every circumstances I guess, but it can level you up vastly and change viewpoint. And you will see how others are negative and "bad".

Also, there are those who are the worst, making huge amounts of money with making harm on many people, or doing crime. They are still learning basic things. But materialism is the other thing, one thing is that you need something to achieve your goals, and the other side is that you are giving a damn about others and love material things etc. Everybody is on the path where they should be. These people will continue to do the same things in the NP and be dependant.

I hope it helps Cheesy
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« Reply #11 on: September 20, 2016, 20:16:17 »

I see what you are asking.
If you deliberately send bad feelings without good cause this is a destructive act. Thoughts like this will manifest in your experiences and return them in a way you might not like. It should be the same for everyone. You will always find some that appear to be free. Don't believe it though, they're good at hiding their reality.
Things to think about are why and is there a reason. Some bad doers are responding to oppression and its the only way they can vent off.
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« Reply #12 on: September 21, 2016, 00:35:01 »

Maybe i missunderstood but so does this mean the intent u send comes back only if you beleive it so? if not then my quesiton is same why it doesn't come back to so called "bad people" and also about this dark path i always try different views and things if u like take one and don't try to change it how can u have many beautiful experiences.

Allow me to explain better, I hope!

It doesn't actually matter whether you believe what you are doing is bad or not, all that matters is the nature of the intent and actions that one makes.

If I do something nasty like attack a guy on the side of the street, there is no intelligent arbitrator that is going to weave my future to ensure that something bad happens to me. However, he who lives by the sword dies by the sword.

Karma is not a concept of balancing, it is a concept of association. Because of the fact that I attacked a person, there is a chance that one day someone will recognise me from that event and decide to attack me back.

The more you invest your actions and intent into a particular path, the more associations you will form between yourself and other people in a similar place with similar attitudes. Like minds attract, as does behaviour, so it does come back because you got involved with it.

Furthermore, if you extrapolate the concept to a galactic scale, all of the experiences of consciousness belong to everyone and I think we will experience them all when our egos break down. Every negative interaction you have with another person, you will have to experience the receiving end of that action eventually, as them. In this sense everything you do literally does come back to you.
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« Reply #13 on: November 09, 2016, 05:31:17 »

i know this topic, I have been stuck in it for a few years.

I actually found the bad guys were playing a game of chess with me in my mind... if u can believe that. I don't think they are alive I actually believe the Creator or whoever just leaves them lying around as  gladly righteous to the bad in good people . it's like having a mirror (fate is one) and interestingly they only really can do what's in you that you accept.

so there is a purification process that this game of chess engenders. instead of innocence being stuck for inspiration and truth it actually gets constant feedback til it is exalted and perhaps should we say delivered from being a problem.

having the problem is fine, you get to solve it. being a problem is not, someone gets to solve you. hope that all makes sense... I am saying it empowers you.
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« Reply #14 on: November 09, 2016, 16:17:38 »

I like the analogy to chess, let's not forget there are occasions when the game being played is destroyed. This is where the board its played on is knocked over.
That will require some thought.
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