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« on: October 22, 2002, 11:08:57 »

if they were going to be loaned then would there be any problems morally from anyone if we could just send them over the net?  if i had them i would be willing to.  when i get them i will.

i'm not sure about the legality of this but believe it may be illegal, so obviously i'm joking about this entire post.  maybe we could jokingly upload them somewhere and jokingly tell only the people that actualy want them so we wouldn't have to worry about someone stumbling across it and jokingly put someone in jail. Smiley

but wouldn't it just be file sharing like imesh and the rest?

 
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« Reply #1 on: October 22, 2002, 15:43:22 »

Greetings Fred,

I understand where you are coming from, but we must keep this entirely on the straight and level.

If someone purchases goods, then they are perfectly at liberty to sell those goods onto someone else on a one to one basis which is what i am suggesting - or of course to loan those goods as one would a book for example.

I do think that copying and distributing would be outside the law, ad not something we can morally or ethically condone.

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« Reply #2 on: October 22, 2002, 15:54:45 »

The first thing would be for someone to get their hands on a copy of the Gateway CD collection. If we could set up a collection and collectively own a single copy, we could pass it around to the people who contributed. It would only take a week or two to get a feel for if the collection is worth paying full price to get the collection. Naturally we could not encourage ripping the CDs to MP3 and passing those around on CD by way of e-mail, direct connect, snail mail, etc. We could make up a list of people in order of most contribution to least to see who gets the CDs first.


 
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« Reply #3 on: October 22, 2002, 16:47:48 »

Greetings Tom!

Yes, I don't see any issues with having a "central" set of Gateway CD's between us, and for people to take turns with. How we organise it is a different matter. I think we only need the Wave 1 set anyway which costs about $99.  Better still, we could share an existing set that someone might have, and all contribute towards the cost.

Who would be interested, and how shall we do this?

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« Reply #4 on: October 22, 2002, 18:46:09 »

that would be great.  not only would the owner get almost all of the money back for the set but the rest of us would pay only a fraction of the price.   we could send the money along w/ the cd's when they get mailed to the next person and just have it accumulate until it gets back home.  no gambling w/ the gateway money. Smiley   the more people the more cost effecient it would be.  just make sure  the cd's are packaged and handled extremely well.  it's going to go through a few people before it gets returned and it would be nice to see them returned w/out a single new scratch.  it shouldn't be a problem w/ this group.  maybe we could decide who gets them first by  who wants them and the date they registered as a member on the forum?  who's got a set?

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« Reply #5 on: October 22, 2002, 18:55:52 »

Yes, the Wave 1 set probably would be enough. As someone trusted by all of us, Adrian, would you be willing to set up a PayPal account for the purpose of collecting money to buy a set for us? It is the 22nd now. Sometime next month I would be able to put in $10 or $15 for some time with a copy of Wave 1 at some point in the future. Smiley It hasn't been a good month.


 
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« Reply #6 on: October 23, 2002, 11:57:57 »

Greetings Tom,

I already have a PayPal account. We can't setup a seperate one because it needs to be associated with a bank account.

But I would gladly organise this. All we need to do is to gather our participants, and work out how much it will cost eachof us. If enyone else would like a "share", they just join in at that point pro-rata. If ti was a success, we could get the whole series maybe over time.

We need to discuss the logisics though. From what Frank has said (and if Frank is reading this perhaps he could confirm), it takes several months to achieve results. That means the fourth person could wait a year for a turn which might not be acceptable.

I like the ide very much, but we need to think about the details first.

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Adrian.




 
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« Reply #7 on: October 23, 2002, 13:15:02 »

You are right. The logistics would take time to work out. A year does not matter to me, actually. Over a year we might be able to get more than one copy to pass around of the Wave 1. That would be more complicated. One copy to start with is simpler. We can complicate matters as we go along. Although we could not encourage it, obviously some of us might be tempted to make copies and pass the CD(s) along faster than a matter of months.


 
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« Reply #8 on: October 23, 2002, 15:14:23 »

Yes this sounds like a great idea & like Tom said-some of us are capable of making copies (for our own use) so the CDs could go around pretty quick. Although the file sharing that Fredhedd mentioned seems a quicker & cheaper way. So there are 4 of us so far who want to do this? I know I'm last on the list. I've been working in my organic garden all summer & haven't been here since last year after reading Bruce's book.  
Also I don't have my paypal account anymore but I do have a C2it account-works like paypal. Or I can write a personal check, I'm in the US. OR, I could send you a WebCertificate for the amount-a WC works like a MasterCard that you can use online anywhere MC is accepted.
http://www.C2it.com
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« Reply #9 on: October 23, 2002, 16:10:37 »



Yes, it did take me quite a while. But please don't take that as any kind of yardstick. I truly do not have any kind of natural gift for obe work. As such, I often have to really fight for even the smallest of gains. But that's how I always am with most things, and have long since accepted that.

I imagine a younger person more into the technology could, once they got the basic rundown from the Wave 1 CD, could easily create their own CD complete with sound effects, etc. Which I am sure would be equally effective.

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« Reply #10 on: October 23, 2002, 16:28:39 »

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I imagine a younger person more into the technology could, once they got the basic rundown from the Wave 1 CD, could easily create their own CD complete with sound effects, etc. Which I am sure would be equally effective.



Which makes me wonder if other CDs for deep meditation would work as well? Here's one:
http://www.brainsync.com/titles/deepmeditate.asp


 
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« Reply #11 on: October 23, 2002, 16:44:54 »

Greetings Everyone!

Thank you as always Frank for your insight, and to Sandy for the suggested link.

I have another idea.

This excellent software for generating hemi-sync is free:

http://www.bwgen.com

And comes with a good number of presets, with a good many more available for a modest charge.

It would be possible to use an existing preset for theta work, and overlay the voice to an MP3.

What do you people think?

with best regards,

Adrian.


 
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« Reply #12 on: October 23, 2002, 20:36:27 »

Thanks Adrian,. I think that's great, gonna have to check it out when I have more time.
In the meantime I found this site with a downloadable demo (I also ordered the free sample CD from them, just have to pay shipping).
http://www.synchronicity.org/New_Visitors/Online_Demo.aspx

And found this site with some downloadable meditation music. http://artists.iuma.com/IUMA/Bands/Meditation_Music/
(they have a whole slew of meditation music to download, just go to the main page & type meditation in the search box)

I don't know how good these musics will be for what we want to accomplish.

 
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« Reply #13 on: October 23, 2002, 21:54:45 »

This is a great idea.  What ever choice is made up about copying and purchasing the CDs, the benifits  would definitly  be worth a group price.   So, we would use paypal to gather the money for purchasing and purchase the CDs form  the Monroe Institute which  are sent to a person.

  After this person recieves the CDs makes a copy or whatnot then sends it to the next person.  And we could communitcate with eachother through  our personal E-mail or the E-mail on this site.

  Or,.....  someone could set up a file share somehow for downloading capabilities.    Sounds like a good plan.  





 
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« Reply #14 on: October 23, 2002, 22:33:21 »

everyone will have their own specific time frame that they are going to need to be able to use the cd's enough to get anything from them.  however, looking at this group of people and seeing how smart everyone is i don't see any reason why any one of us would need more time then ....oh i dunno say about the same amount of time it would take to make a copy of a music cd.  if i'm correct and everyone here is that smart then it shouldn't take more than a month to pass them around to whoever wants them.

 
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« Reply #15 on: October 23, 2002, 22:58:13 »

Hi all,
I have just searched my stack and found two Hemi-Sync CDs I would like to lend. Just how do i do that?
One of them is "The Visit" a guided meditation using the Hemi-Sync tones. The other one is called "Transcendence", It has both guided and unguided meditations using the usual tones. I like the unguided "Transcendence" better, but to each his/her own.
I mostly now use Holo-Sync "The Dive and Emersion" CDS now as I have found them more induceive to phasing (for me).
Donna

 
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« Reply #16 on: October 24, 2002, 04:15:06 »

Ok, this is brainwave technology we're talking about. Are you sure that they can be copied successfully? ...I think I know someone with a burner.  I've been meaning to buy Monroe's tracks anyway.  I'll get back to you guys. Sorry about the short post!

 
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« Reply #17 on: October 24, 2002, 15:24:11 »

The problem was that we cannot talk too openly about copying and distributing copies of copyrighted material. The "Brain Sync" or however it is spelled is okay. They annoy me and I think of it as "Brain Sink" instead. Copying the CD outright or copying it to wav form would not compress it. I heard that MP3 forms even with comparatively high kbits do not work because the inaudible portions are removed. In they can't be heard, though, how can they be effective when played for the ears?


 
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« Reply #18 on: October 24, 2002, 20:34:34 »

I wondered if Mp3s were as good as the orig cd's I have found quite a few MP3s available for sharing but there is a limit to the kbps or Quality they are avalable in, I am thinking that they lose something when shared with a program like kazaa because it limits the kbps. But when a CD is copyed or Burned at home you can get a pretty good quality Copy. Does that make sense?
 Anyway I would be willing to contribute to a shared set. But we don't want to go and do anything we shouldn't be doing http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/images/icon_Smile_shock.gif" border=0> http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/images/icon_Smile_wink.gif" border=0>

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« Reply #19 on: October 24, 2002, 20:50:00 »

When I copy books on tape to my computer, I record them through my sound card directly to MP3 at 32 kbits / second. When I copy music, I use 192 kbits / second. These days, when I copy hemispheric synchronization sorts of things to MP3 I do so at 256 kbits / second. It fills up hundreds of megabytes, but that seems insignificant. What matters is that a wav file records (on my computer, at least) at 1411 kbits / second. I cannot tell the difference between my wav and my MP3 versions, and there is nothing in the theory which I can point to as an explanation for why MP3 files even as low as 64 kbits / second should or should not work. In fact, I have purchased a wav file which was over 20 minutes and around 2 megs. It had been from MP3 of some sort before it was zipped and e-mailed to me. It was supposed to work, anyway.

Aside from the next month, I'm just waiting to hear from Adrian how and where to send some money for a shared Wave 1. Even so, I don't really expect it to work for me even if I were to get my hands on a copy.


 
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« Reply #20 on: October 24, 2002, 22:32:57 »

Thank you Donna, that's very nice of you. My son has a CD burner & he could burn CDs for whoever doesn't have their own burner. Shall we borrow Donna's CD's?  If so, how much shall we pay her?
If my son is going to burn, is everything he needs to know in these posts?  I just buy the CD's-he's the one that burns them.



 
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« Reply #21 on: October 25, 2002, 01:48:44 »

I am interested in buying/burning wave one or hemisynch CD's.

 
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« Reply #22 on: October 25, 2002, 12:13:59 »

Greetings everyone!

First of all - thanks to Donna for getting the ball rolling with that very kind offer http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/images/icon_Smile.gif" border=0>

We need a definite plan here, and we must not be seen to breach any copyright laws! I am very keen to ensure that everything we do here is above board. Of course, what you do with the CD's in your hands is your own affair, providing I know nothing about it!

I think what we need is a register - just a forum topic that I will lock in place will do - of all available CD's that people are prepared to loan or sell.

Now clearly, the person loaning should not have to pay the postage costs of sending them to the borrower. So the first think I propose is that the borrower pays the postage costs. If everyone has a bank account and credit card this is all very simple using PayPal:

http://www.paypal.com

PayPal is completely free to register, and it means that we can pay each other by credit card in US Dollars, GB Pounds or Euro's. PayPal is a very useful service, and everyone should consider an account. Please note, to accept credit cards, you need to register for the Premiere membership - not the basic one.

We can communicate via Private Messaging between interested members.

Again - I must stress - the forums cannot encourage or be party to any illegal copying, but I am not interested in what people do among themselves or with the CD's in hand. Interpret this as you will, but please note what I have said.

This is looking very useful!

Lets keep on discussing this, and lets get this moving!

With best regards,

Adrian.




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« Reply #23 on: October 25, 2002, 22:57:02 »

Here's a site with a download of holo-sync. It plays for about a 1/2 hour & the guy talks through most of it but he's quiet during the last 5 minutes or so. Hopefully it'll give us sort of an idea on these sounds.  www.centerpointe.com

 
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« Reply #24 on: October 26, 2002, 09:41:33 »

Adrian,  ...How about donations? There are so many members on this forum, I'm sure a few of them might donate to this or other causes.  Personally, I don't think I'd participate in the shared CDs idea. I think it would be better if I owned the tracks, BUT I would be willing to help you guys out.  Let me know what you think!

 
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