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Author Topic: Can binaural beats really cause OBEs?  (Read 6533 times)
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« Reply #15 on: April 20, 2012, 11:04:03 »

Nah- I'm not as dedicated as I used to be.  If I can get free ones I'd give them a try, otherwise it's the 'natural' way for me.


I have some free ones at my YouTube site (link in my signature)

Like snlee06 I am interested in what people have tried and their results.  I have some lucid dreaming videos and some astral projection videos and I would like to make more.

I would be interested in knowing what frequencies people have tried and their results. Also does any one use solfeggio?

Do you find that verbal positive affirmations such as reminders to do reality checks etc. along with the binaural & isochronic beats help?

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« Reply #16 on: April 20, 2012, 19:51:57 »

I've bookmarked the page and plan to use the 'back pain' one after I clean the house, and will report what I found.
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« Reply #17 on: April 22, 2012, 22:36:32 »

I would love to hear from others on the forum who've made binaural beats of their own and what patterns they found to be particularly effective.

I make most of mine with steady beat and base frequencies.  I like to use base frequencies that known to be good like 136.1Hz the frequency of OM, 210.42Hz frequency of Synodic Moon, 221.23Hz Venus.

In my latest one I used 211.44Hz Neptune as it supports intuition and enhances the dream experience.

I've bookmarked the page and plan to use the 'back pain' one after I clean the house, and will report what I found.


I sure it will help cool
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« Reply #18 on: April 25, 2012, 20:25:56 »

Hello,

I have created a range of BWE tracks with the very latest "technologies".  Most of my recent ones are "phased-shifted ambient music and sounds".

No I am not going to promote them Smiley

The observation I would like to add to this topic however is this:

I never make claims that these tracks serve any particular purpose.  I have been creating BWE tracks for years and at the final analysis they all serve a single purpose - an expanded state of consciousness. Different people expect and react in different ways, which is why I have created such a wide range of tracks and "technologies".

However, as has been so well stated in this topic thus far, I personally do not see how specific tracks can be created for specific purposes. To the extent that a specific track with specific claims works it is due to the Expectation - the Mind - of the listener as opposed to the characteristics of the track itself.

Astral Projection, OBE, LD etc are all Expanded States of Consciousness and Vibratory Frequency, once achieved the rest is for the individual - the possibilities are infinite.

The word "Astral Projection" is actually a misnomer based in duality.  We cannot "project" anywhere because we already exist Every-Where.  So what is known as AP, OBE, LD and so on is a Projection of Consciousness Within the All - we do not "go" anywhere or "leave our body" - our focus changes.

So what does this have to do with BWE?

Well quite simply, anything that can invoke an expanded state of consciousness, whether BWE, early morning awakening, meditation or some other approach will bring the possibility to Perceive beyond the narrow band of the physical waking consciousness - after that it is down to Mind.

I hope this does not sound too enigmatic, but the point I wish to make is that BWE is a means to an end, not the end itself.

In Love, Light and Service,

Adrian.
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« Reply #19 on: April 25, 2012, 22:54:01 »

Adrian,

You are correct a certain amount of this has to do with belief and expectation.  I have been asked where this info on frequencies comes from.  Some comes from EEG and other research.  Some comes from spiritual and philosophical beliefs.

There is science that says brainwaves can be entrained with binaural and isochronic beats.  It is possible to have your brainwaves in the range normally seen during sleep, yet you are awake.  We call that an altered state of consciousness.

Generally delta range is considered to be healing and theta is associated with the range monks are in when in deep meditation.

It is science that says relaxation and lowering stress is beneficial to health.  So is a positive outlook.  Meditation and the various aids to it can help to relax and reduce stress.

As for any specific meaning such as astral projection, lucid dreaming etc.  People report having better results for certain things with certain frequencies.  I started out with the idea of just making stuff and stating what beats and frequencies were used.  But then I realized most people are not going to do the amount of reading on the subject I am doing, and most are not going to look through a list of frequencies and try to make heads or tails of it.  They will not get into the technicalities.  They just find this stuff works and want someone to make it for them with a bit of guidance for them as well.

Often times when I listen to binaural beats and when I am making them I go with what feels right to me.  I know that when others use them they are going to be attracted to what feels right to them.

My personal experience is that meditation to delta or theta range defiantly helps me sleep at night.  I favor 4Hz beat with 136.1Hz base. That gets me into the "zone" grin

I have not been able to lucid dream, astral project or any of those things just yet.  So I can only go along with what others report.

When I first started making binaural beats, I tried various base frequencies in the range of 100 - 200Hz, because that was recommended in some of what I read.  I tried the frequency of OM 136.1Hz and found that most pleasant. And, it is still my favorite base frequency.  I make videos with other base frequencies as well because these frequencies are believed to have different effects and because different people might have different favorites just as I do.
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« Reply #20 on: April 26, 2012, 09:01:29 »

Adrian,

You are correct a certain amount of this has to do with belief and expectation.  I have been asked where this info on frequencies comes from.  Some comes from EEG and other research.  Some comes from spiritual and philosophical beliefs.

There is science that says brainwaves can be entrained with binaural and isochronic beats.  It is possible to have your brainwaves in the range normally seen during sleep, yet you are awake.  We call that an altered state of consciousness.

Generally delta range is considered to be healing and theta is associated with the range monks are in when in deep meditation.

It is science that says relaxation and lowering stress is beneficial to health.  So is a positive outlook.  Meditation and the various aids to it can help to relax and reduce stress.

As for any specific meaning such as astral projection, lucid dreaming etc.  People report having better results for certain things with certain frequencies.  I started out with the idea of just making stuff and stating what beats and frequencies were used.  But then I realized most people are not going to do the amount of reading on the subject I am doing, and most are not going to look through a list of frequencies and try to make heads or tails of it.  They will not get into the technicalities.  They just find this stuff works and want someone to make it for them with a bit of guidance for them as well.

Often times when I listen to binaural beats and when I am making them I go with what feels right to me.  I know that when others use them they are going to be attracted to what feels right to them.

My personal experience is that meditation to delta or theta range defiantly helps me sleep at night.  I favor 4Hz beat with 136.1Hz base. That gets me into the "zone" grin

I have not been able to lucid dream, astral project or any of those things just yet.  So I can only go along with what others report.

When I first started making binaural beats, I tried various base frequencies in the range of 100 - 200Hz, because that was recommended in some of what I read.  I tried the frequency of OM 136.1Hz and found that most pleasant. And, it is still my favorite base frequency.  I make videos with other base frequencies as well because these frequencies are believed to have different effects and because different people might have different favorites just as I do.

I personally feel that all specific abilities attributed to BWE arise from the actual expectation of the end result.

This is simply an observation - not negative.  If a BWE tracks was not labelled as "Astral Projection" for example, then the listener would not be "programmed" to expect Astral Projection.

In broad terms, there is no specific frequency range for Astral projection of anything else, but rather that at a specific frequency and combination of sounds  - and everyone is unique - an expansion of consciousness can take place at which point a wide range of metaphysical abilities become available.

I rarely use Binaurals, except as "spatially dynamic" binaural beats which are in harmony with the base sound track. Actually, Isochronic and even Monaural beats are much more effective, but they can also be intrusive so while invoking an expanded state of consciousness, they can also disrupt that consciousness as well - but not necessarily.  So when I use Isochronic and/or Monaural beats I integrate them at a Subliminal Frequency - that is to say - the Subconscious Mind can detect them but not the Conscious Mind.

In terms of frequencies - it depends on the nature of the track. I agree with you that 4Hz is a good frequency for e.g. Meditation because it is on the borderline between Alpha and Theta.  For metaphysical and psychic abilities nearer 8Hz is better, being in the mid-Alpha sort of range.  This is the range of for example drumming and other sounds in "native" cultures for this reason.

Another fallacy, in my opinion, is the tendency to "ramp" frequencies up or down, i.e. to start at a high frequency and ramp down to the "target frequency".  The brain will entrain to any frequency very quickly and does not need, in my opinion, to be "guided" there.

Another tendency in BWE tracks that I personally disagree with is the use of multiple frequencies which serves no real purpose if there is a specific objective.

At the final analysis there are no hard and fast rules, and every listener responds differently.  I have been making BWE tracks for at least a decade, and have yet to find the "holy grail" of BWE, although I know what I wish to accomplish and have the technology to achieve it.

Ultimately any BWE track should be "captivating" to listen to - so the user does not get bored quickly - harmonious, and integrate powerful BWE to entrain the Consciousness without BWE techniques that are actually intrusive and disruptive on the Consciousness. It is a very fine balance and nt an "exact science".

My starting point is the right ambient music and/or sound, and I build on that.

I have recently for example been experimenting with Buddhist Mantras, because they alone are designed to invoke BWE, and then I have integrated 4 or 5 different, subtle BWE technologies.

I have two tracks of the "Om Mantra" to which I have integrated 4 types of BWE which are largely unnoticeable.

In Love, Light and Service,

Adrian.




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« Reply #21 on: August 22, 2012, 20:39:38 »

Wonderful topic, thank you everyone for your contributions of knowledge and resources on this topic.  I found it helpful, and so am going to bump the topic for greater numbers of people to benefit. 
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« Reply #22 on: August 23, 2012, 09:14:52 »

It didn't cause projection, but when I got up I felt like I was high...REALLY high...For a couple minutes. It was pretty weird.


This is an important thing to take note of here. This is caused by not being grounded after a mp3 exercise. I'm guessing the binaural beat track you listened to took you down to somewhere near theta but did not bring you back up again. This is not good. On the surface it can leave you feeling slightly airy and out there. Although maybe a nice feeling that may seem to dissipate it is not good for,

1/ helping you with exploring your consciousness as broad distinctions between various altered states seem to muddy if you are ungrounded whereas if you are totally grounded then you can say well this is C1 and during a tape exercise I definitely know that is, say focus 21 (using TMI jargon just for reference).

2/ keeping you on the ball in C1 consciousness (like why things like hemi-sync say don't listen while driving. Can be dangerous. You may feel okay now but you never know)
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« Reply #23 on: August 29, 2012, 08:50:34 »

I personally feel that all specific abilities attributed to BWE arise from the actual expectation of the end result.

This is simply an observation - not negative.  If a BWE tracks was not labelled as "Astral Projection" for example, then the listener would not be "programmed" to expect Astral Projection.

In broad terms, there is no specific frequency range for Astral projection of anything else, but rather that at a specific frequency and combination of sounds  - and everyone is unique - an expansion of consciousness can take place at which point a wide range of metaphysical abilities become available.

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Another tendency in BWE tracks that I personally disagree with is the use of multiple frequencies which serves no real purpose if there is a specific objective.


Adrian.

I do not like to many beats in there either.  I generally go with what sounds and feels right to me.

I also believe that when a bunch of people believe that frequency is good for something and get good results it causes a law of attraction thing, that manifests itself into reality.
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