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« Reply #25 on: May 25, 2013, 03:29:15 »

I bet they're confident in not getting hassled by the demons of the never-realm though.
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« Reply #26 on: May 25, 2013, 09:33:18 »

Where are these demons that hassle?
Im sure a challenge would be more appropriate if it came about in some alternate reality, but saving this physical reality?
Either, a group of specialists doing a fantastic job, or they don't really exist in this reality.

Whatever way you view it, if the dog happily chases it tail, why disturb its pleasure, they bite...
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« Reply #26 on: May 25, 2013, 09:33:18 »

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« Reply #27 on: May 25, 2013, 21:50:39 »

I guess they're happy playing earths guardians either way guys if anyone has any experience regarding fights with the Astral don't hesitate to post i am curious to here any experiences to be honest Cheesy.
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« Reply #28 on: May 25, 2013, 23:55:50 »

The real battle is fought here in the physical, any battles in the astral is total illusion and meaningless.
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« Reply #29 on: May 26, 2013, 00:49:56 »

I've heard the same thing said about the physical.
Now which, if any, are real, or perhaps both are an illusion and those who believe this physical is all there is are delusional.
Careful thought is required.
Can you prove any of it is actually real?
If you can, great, but then, are you a figment of imagination?
Well thats thrown the cat amongst the pigeons...
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« Reply #30 on: May 26, 2013, 04:21:53 »

The real battle is fought here in the physical, any battles in the astral is total illusion and meaningless.

1: I've heard the same thing said about the physical.
2: Now which, if any, are real, or perhaps both are an illusion and those who believe this physical is all there is are delusional.
3: Careful thought is required.
4: Can you prove any of it is actually real?
5: If you can, great, but then, are you a figment of imagination?
Well thats thrown the cat amongst the pigeons...

When I see this kind of reasoning, I think carefully. (3)

1: Real battles are being fought on this planet.  This is scientifically verifiable.  What is NOT real about them have more to do with the reasons they are being fought.

2:  Those who believe this physical is 'all there is' are not delusional.  They have experienced no evidence that there is anything else which exists outside the physical universe.  On that - they are not necessarily believing that this is all there is, but accepting that they have no evidence to the contrary so are not simply going to 'believe'.

4: I think you are referring to this physical universe and 'are you really experiencing it?' 

5:  To be a 'figment of imagination' one would have to exist in that imagination and the one imagining would exist - would be real in order to be able to imagine you.  The thing to focus on is the idea of 'you' - not where you are or who you think you are, but just the aspect of 'you' - that which acknowledges itself as 'being'.
It is consciousness individuate.  What makes any THING real is consciousness.  So whatever situation YOU are in, it is as real as YOU decide it to be....but only in relation to your individuate experience.

If the physical universe had no consciousness within it, would it still exist?
What if consciousness was observing it from outside of it?
What if consciousness simply wasn't aware it existed, would it still exist?

What is really being said here is that Consciousness exists, and from that, everything else exists, but until consciousness observes it, or utilizes it, it isn't real.

So to, if individuate consciousness experiences the different aspects of the 'astral' - it is that consciousness which determines whether the experience is actual and real.

Since we know that there are many things in the 'astral' which are creations of individuals and of groups and these creations arise from beliefs/belief systems, then - like those retrievers who seek and find individuate consciousness 'stuck' in a reality they have created for themselves and are not aware that it is something they have created....those retrievers know that the 'heavens' or the 'hells' are not real, but ARE real to those experiencing them as real.

Do you see the role of consciousness?  It is that which decides what is real and what is not.  So how can one aspect of consciousness decide a 'hell' is real while another aspect knows that it is not?

The answer is to understand that the only thing real is actually consciousness itself.  Every other thing is deemed real or not by consciousness, including how it decides to see itself (identify) and this is where confusion as to 'what is real' becomes an issue for the individuate consciousness...even to the point where it might question the reality of its own actual existence.

 



 


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« Reply #31 on: May 27, 2013, 01:04:51 »

And what if this entire "planet" is one day found to be nothing more than a mere hologram?
Virtual in every sense of the word.

What then?

What is "real" isn't what people think it is?
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« Reply #32 on: May 27, 2013, 02:55:30 »

And what if this entire "planet" is one day found to be nothing more than a mere hologram?
Virtual in every sense of the word.

What then?

What is "real" isn't what people think it is?

It doesn't even matter if the whole universe is a 'hologram'  I think the word 'mere' - even in relation to this planet is understating to the max - 'what then' (or even 'what now' if true) is that the focus shifts to include that which created the hologram.  Did 'we' (as some prior entity with such capabilities) create it for our exploration and higher learning or did something else which we know nothing about (intent included) create it and place 'us' in it?

The focus is that wherever Consciousness is, it is consciousness which determines what is real and what is not, and in relation to this physical universe, there are more than enough individuate conscious points of awareness who altogether verify that yes, whatever the universe might 'be' - it is real...


"What is "real" isn't what people think it is?"

If you are saying, 'what if we discover that this whole 'reality' is a hologram rather than what people think it is?"

I have to ask how knowing that the universe is actually a hologram would change the way people will think  - what would those changes be and how would they affect the hologram experience?


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« Reply #33 on: May 27, 2013, 10:28:19 »

Within other realities the feel is exactly the same as the physical. It's all there is. When your awareness of the you opens up then these differing realities pose questions on what is real. We are locked into this physical universe as our primary learning and experiencial centre but this is equally true for others when out time here has expired.
 A quote from Dreamingod on another thread says so much. A shared construct of sorts.

.   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .
 These experiences and subsequent interpretations demonstrate that our inner self continually communicates to/reminds us in our other states of consciousness. The question is, are we paying attention?

==== CULTure and scientifc thinking persuades most minds to dismiss one's dreams and any metaphysical experiences as unimportant or "unexplainable events". However if one remembers more of the totality of one's experiences, in waking consciousness, physical realities, non-physical realities, dream realities & meditation, then one will not experience such tunnel vision and self-doubt.

When one has vivid rembrance of these experiences, then one knows that the ego-personality construct, body vehicle and time-story-context is transient. The only absolute is self! ====

The dreamer who is ready to wake up shall. The dreamer who desires to immerse oneself in role play and maya will. Hide and seek is a perpetual game that is enjoyed by all and one / alone.
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« Reply #34 on: May 27, 2013, 21:19:15 »

???Was a Rant... evil
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« Reply #35 on: October 04, 2013, 21:53:36 »

I have ran into something similiar about a year ago. I wasn't event thinking at all about this stuff when I projected. I projected right in the middle of it all.

It was set up exactly like Game of Thrones the TV show! King's Landing was under attack. Joffrey and much of the people like Cersei and all weren't there. Ned Stark was sitting on the Iron throne, but he was sleeping in a cursed sleep or something and wouldn't awaken.

Baelish, Varys and the old Maester dude sat at the council tables. Ser Barristan Selmy and Set Jamie Lannister were there, in their kingsguard armor. The Kingsguard that didn't flee to the enemy group all wore a splash of red somewhere on their armors. Sashes, paint, you name it.

Tyrion Lannister was leading the attack ON King's landing! A mass of armor clad people did wear no paint of red anywhere on their armor. All of it was dyed or whatnot to be flat black.

The King's Landing fighters defended KL were known as Redguards and the attacks forces were known as Blackguards. I nearly got 'killed' when I was spotted as someone thought I was Blackguard. I got out of trouble and had to quickly choose sides. I chose Redguards.

I knew what I could do, having projected - I used my imagination and crafted some Goa'uld weapons. Zat guns, staves. They fought a little with those after I showed them how. They gave me a huge room to created even more for them.

Jamie and Barristan were cool. They felt more like brothers than simple fighting partners.

I haven't been back there in about year or so. I occasionally have the urge to go back to see what's going on now, but I don't think it's best. I have went through so much more changes since then and some of the changes might be viewed with suspicion, as these people are hepped up on GOT and some of the things I can do in projection don't exist in the books or TV!

Btw, the Blachguards called the Redguards Mictiani?           
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« Reply #36 on: October 07, 2013, 18:14:51 »

I've read over the website of a group calling itself the Silver Legion, who like to talk about their galactic-scale battles against reptilian ETs and other such beings, mostly in the non-physical realms.  I'm guessing this may be the people you're referring to in the OP.  While their experiences don't exactly resonate with me, I can't say for sure that they're all wrong or delusional. 

Beyond the seemingly physical world we often experience, the division between self and other seems to be less defined.  Does the 'demon' you just fought in the astral have its own independent existence?  Or is it a projection of your own negative thoughts and fears?  Ultimately, if it's true that there's only one real consciousness in existence and that every person is an individuated expression of that consciousness, then both can be true.  Minus the veil that separates us in the physical (and to a lesser extent in astral realms) an entity can be both your self and your enemy at the same time. 

In my experiences and thoughts, the quality of 'reality' is something that varies depending on your perspective.  Within a dream, that dream is experienced as reality, but once you awaken it becomes un-real.  When one is not focused on the physical, whether through death or OOBE, it often ceases to seem as real.  Like another poster stated above, consciousness exists and may experience various systems; systems which become reality when within them, but cease to be real once outside of them. 

I have do occasionally have 'astral battles', though not with the regularity or seriousness as the Silver Legion folks.  Sometimes I encounter what I would describe as negative entities, some of which I have fought.  Some of these 'battles' have been quite intense and vivid, though like most OOB encounters, I cannot speak to their objectivity.  I have had battles against extra-terrestrials, 'vampire' types and have even dealt with demonic-style beings during soul retrievals.  While intense, these astral battles usually have a game-like quality to them, a feeling of both excitement and a bit of fun.  I never feel that I am in any real danger, nor that I am actually hurting anybody.  There is no fear or anger involved.  Even if such non-physical battles are against mere mental constructs, I feel they are assisting me in balancing and integrating certain darker aspects of my self.  Do I take them seriously?  Nah.  No more seriously than I take anything.   wink
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« Reply #37 on: October 07, 2013, 23:17:59 »

I've read over the website of a group calling itself the Silver Legion, who like to talk about their galactic-scale battles against reptilian ETs and other such beings, mostly in the non-physical realms.  I'm guessing this may be the people you're referring to in the OP.  While their experiences don't exactly resonate with me, I can't say for sure that they're all wrong or delusional. 

Beyond the seemingly physical world we often experience, the division between self and other seems to be less defined.  Does the 'demon' you just fought in the astral have its own independent existence?  Or is it a projection of your own negative thoughts and fears?  Ultimately, if it's true that there's only one real consciousness in existence and that every person is an individuated expression of that consciousness, then both can be true.  Minus the veil that separates us in the physical (and to a lesser extent in astral realms) an entity can be both your self and your enemy at the same time. 

In my experiences and thoughts, the quality of 'reality' is something that varies depending on your perspective.  Within a dream, that dream is experienced as reality, but once you awaken it becomes un-real.  When one is not focused on the physical, whether through death or OOBE, it often ceases to seem as real.  Like another poster stated above, consciousness exists and may experience various systems; systems which become reality when within them, but cease to be real once outside of them. 

I have do occasionally have 'astral battles', though not with the regularity or seriousness as the Silver Legion folks.  Sometimes I encounter what I would describe as negative entities, some of which I have fought.  Some of these 'battles' have been quite intense and vivid, though like most OOB encounters, I cannot speak to their objectivity.  I have had battles against extra-terrestrials, 'vampire' types and have even dealt with demonic-style beings during soul retrievals.  While intense, these astral battles usually have a game-like quality to them, a feeling of both excitement and a bit of fun.  I never feel that I am in any real danger, nor that I am actually hurting anybody.  There is no fear or anger involved.  Even if such non-physical battles are against mere mental constructs, I feel they are assisting me in balancing and integrating certain darker aspects of my self.  Do I take them seriously?  Nah.  No more seriously than I take anything.   wink

Great post mark although I think the delusional aspect I was a bit meh about was that they are almost like forceful religious folk who press their belief values on you words I saw like "WE ARE PROTECTING YOU" and "YOU'RE NAIVE IF YOU THINK YOU'RE SAFE" just made me think ....blergh yanno? 
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« Reply #38 on: October 07, 2013, 23:45:55 »

My honest opinion is that if you're "fighting" anything, then you simply don't get it.
I'll leave it at that cryptic point...
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« Reply #39 on: October 08, 2013, 07:22:42 »

Self entropic perpetuation,
The red light for those blind.
They're understanding everything,
Decorum forced I find.
Inside the box,
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Outside,
The senses awe,
The main planes gained rains senseless,
Old ways within, start war.

Restore equilibrium by all means but fighting wars is by INVITATION only.
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« Reply #40 on: October 09, 2013, 13:14:10 »


Restore equilibrium by all means but fighting wars is by INVITATION only.

 The "living" in my world, seem to have the same tendencies as the "dead" do in my astral. Most of them ain't happy either. Of course they could be and I believe with more reflection, understanding and growth, we ALL will be.

In the meantime, with either place, I find many to be a bothersome pain in the butt. Try as I might to ignore em, I can not. I can't ignore a barking dog or the howling wind either, but it no longer creeps me...

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« Reply #41 on: October 09, 2013, 13:41:40 »

That's only half of it. Where the dogs bark is also where the work needs to be done.
Like in the physical, none can be bothered to cure, they simply prevent, after the effect.
A good kick up the backside has helped some of those despondent residents see the light. These follow on to better places.
A good person can be pulled down miserably by a barking dog.
Sorting the wheat from the chaff gives some interesting experiences.
Any idea why the dog was barking in the first place?
Another mystery?
Although it does bring things to attention. wink
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« Reply #42 on: October 09, 2013, 18:19:41 »

Are you referring to Georgie Stankov and the PAT?
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« Reply #43 on: October 09, 2013, 20:49:44 »

It doesn't even matter if the whole universe is a 'hologram'  I think the word 'mere' - even in relation to this planet is understating to the max - 'what then' (or even 'what now' if true) is that the focus shifts to include that which created the hologram.  Did 'we' (as some prior entity with such capabilities) create it for our exploration and higher learning or did something else which we know nothing about (intent included) create it and place 'us' in it?

The focus is that wherever Consciousness is, it is consciousness which determines what is real and what is not, and in relation to this physical universe, there are more than enough individuate conscious points of awareness who altogether verify that yes, whatever the universe might 'be' - it is real...


"What is "real" isn't what people think it is?"

If you are saying, 'what if we discover that this whole 'reality' is a hologram rather than what people think it is?"

I have to ask how knowing that the universe is actually a hologram would change the way people will think  - what would those changes be and how would they affect the hologram experience?

I love your brain, Wi11iam.
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« Reply #44 on: October 09, 2013, 20:55:39 »

@ Zook,
Not totally sure to whom you're question is addressed.
I don't recognise GS or the PAT.
I'm referring to thousands of experiences I've had over a loooong time. wink
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« Reply #45 on: October 09, 2013, 23:48:37 »

@Szaxx, I apologize for not being specific haha. I was referring to the original post about finding a group online who claim to wage war in the astral realms.
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« Reply #46 on: October 10, 2013, 05:46:08 »

#A: That's only half of it. Where the dogs bark is also where the work needs to be done.

#2: A good kick up the backside has helped some of those despondent residents see the light. These follow on to better places.

#A: Of course, I agree, it's a signpost, a desperate plea for help from some poor stranger. Although I'm sure they're deserving of assistance, Why? How come? Doses it seem to fall to ME so damn often?? I've been helping folks all my life. Both in the 3D as well as astral & even more as I got older & closer to 'the crossing'. Logic has usually dictated that I should add to my karma account here, while I can, just in case.   
More & more my gut feeling is pushing me towards "to thine own self be true".

 #2 See my answer to #A...
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« Reply #47 on: October 10, 2013, 06:00:47 »

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So I do. I honestly miss bickering with the guy. He doesn't understand when someone is joking so his replies can be interesting since he takes everything quite literal.

I for one, hope he returns.
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« Reply #48 on: October 10, 2013, 23:26:49 »

 Just recently I came upon a advertisement for a book by Brad and Sherry Steiger. In this article they were asked this question and I find that their answer seems to correlate with many of my own beliefs on this subject as well.

 1. What was your prime motivation and inspiration in assembling "Real Encounters, Different Dimensions, and Otherworldly Beings"?

We have been engaged in UFO and paranormal research since the early 1950's, and we have come to the conclusion that throughout history some external intelligence has in­teracted with Homo sapiens in an effort to learn more about us and/or to communicate certain basic truths. In this book we present the thesis that the aliens, angels, spirit guides, demons, and gods or goddesses encountered by unaware, yet somehow receptive, percipients may actually be the product of a multidimensional in­telligence that masks itself in physical forms that are more accept­able to humans than its true image--if image it has. In Real Encounters, Different Dimensions, and Otherworldly Beings, we choose to define and to name this multidimensional intelligence and its multitude of manifestations as the Other.
The many guises of the Other exist only a frequency away in the background of the unconscious, waiting for some triggering mechanism to bring it into focus. The so-­called “collective unconscious” of modern psychology is nothing less than a subliminal doorway to that immaterial domain which the physicists are so bus­ily mapping on a different level. Once that “doorway” has been opened, an as yet unknown psychic mechanism ac­tivates the unconscious mind, the “higher self,” and summons the Other. Once activated, the Other is able to absorb, reflect, and imitate human intelligence, thereby creating a host of entities that are fashioned by the dramatic by-products of our collective unconscious. Once the Other draws upon a human’s belief construct, it may produce an independent image that can sustain itself on the vagaries of centuries of legend and myth. If there is truly but one Life Force and a common, collective unconscious for Homo sapiens, then, in the larger sense any contact with the Other becomes part of the common experience of all humankind, whether the incident is reported in the popular press or pondered quietly in the mind of the individ­ual observer.
The messages relayed by the images that have been created by the Other are always relevant to the time context of human observers, but the symbolism that it employs is always timeless, archetypal, and instantly recognizable by one level of the percipient's consciousness. Angels, ge­nies, wee people, devils, and gods, it would seem have been popular in all cultures throughout history.

 The entire article can be found here: http://www.examiner.com/article/steigers-on-real-encounters-different-dimensions-and-otherworldly-beings

 I personally look forward to reading this book soon. Their answers definitely peaked my interest. Just another of the "hidden Gems" to be found today.
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