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« Reply #25 on: August 31, 2009, 08:01:47 »

Oh I forgot to add there is QUITE a bit of space junk around the earth!!
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« Reply #26 on: September 04, 2009, 21:17:05 »

Hi Tayesin. Thanx for the shout out smiley

Zareste  When I used the term "universe" I was refering to the 4 dimensional universe that we all inhabit. It is approximately 14 billions years old (since the Big Bang) according to most scientific calculations. I was unaware that the word universe was defined by, or implied, "refers to everything". It may be defined as such and I was unaware of it. In any case I am Not contesting your definition.
What I was pointing out is that science has posited the possibility that there are (many) other 4 dimensional 'universes' in addition to this one.
No, I can not prove it. Yet mathematicians have constructed theoretical (mathematical) models of such 'alternate' or parallel' universes. And this concept is currently accepted (as plausible theory) by many mainstream scientists.
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« Reply #26 on: September 04, 2009, 21:17:05 »

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« Reply #27 on: September 05, 2009, 01:04:05 »

I'm not expecting people to use the right words. In fact it's a good way to tell the difference between someone who knows their stuff, and someone who wants to appear intelligent by throwing together sciency words while having no clue what they mean
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« Reply #28 on: September 05, 2009, 02:05:15 »

I'm not expecting people to use the right words. In fact it's a good way to tell the difference between someone who knows their stuff, and someone who wants to appear intelligent by throwing together sciency words while having no clue what they mean
Then we've got a problem, because "words" are all we have to convey the meaning of what the ideas we have are.
If you can't use the "right words"... then you're going to be very misunderstood and the problems we just encountered will happen.  Smiley
If you have to, use laymens terms... if you can, use proper terms.
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« Reply #29 on: September 05, 2009, 02:07:05 »

I don't see why laymen's terms have to be wrong. There can be intelligent laymen too
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« Reply #30 on: September 05, 2009, 11:59:28 »

Maybe a detailed diagram of what you saw would help. Sometimes its easier to draw a picture than to explain it.
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« Reply #31 on: September 05, 2009, 20:18:52 »

I think some of you should read my posts on my thread above, 'Alien Curiosity'.  There might be some things that are applicable, and that could delve into a better understanding of our universe as we know it.
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« Reply #32 on: September 05, 2009, 21:43:00 »

I'm still not done exploring this solar system to be exploring others. There's plenty of interesting things around our neck of the woods - especially if you go into fractional space/time (the past).
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« Reply #33 on: September 09, 2009, 08:31:46 »

very intresting and insightful responses everyone!=).   this topic has gotten many views in short time. please take this time now to only post replys on experiences with detail. greatly appreciated
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« Reply #34 on: September 10, 2009, 18:31:22 »

Zareste
Here are is definition of the word "universe" provided by two (2) different dictionaries

The Free Online Dictionary
www.thefreedictionary.com/universe
u·ni·verse  (yn-vūrs)
n.
1. All matter and energy, including the earth, the galaxies, and the contents of intergalactic space, regarded as a whole.
2.
a. The earth together with all its inhabitants and created things.
b. The human race.
3. The sphere or realm in which something exists or takes place.
4. Logic See universe of discourse.
5. Statistics See population.

Collins English Dictionary and Thesaurus
http://dictionary.reverso.net/english-cobuild/universe
universe  (universes plural )
1  n-count The universe is the whole of space and all the stars, planets, and other forms of matter and energy in it.
usu the N in sing
Early astronomers thought that our planet was the centre of the universe. 
2  n-count If you talk about someone's universe, you are referring to the whole of their experience or an important part of it.
usu sing, oft with poss  (=world)
Good writers suck in what they see of the world, re-creating their own universe on the page...

There are, IMO, Two possible interpretations of the definition.
1) "All matter and energy" can be interpreted as all the matter and energy that exists everywhere including this 4 dimensional time-space universe AND all other possible alternate/parallel 4 dimensional universes(s)
Or 2) "all matter and energy" that exists in this 4 dimensional universe only. Which leaves open the possibility that any other universe(s) could be labeled by a word other than universe.

Again, my point is not semantics. My point Is that when the word "universe" was first defined there did not exist (to the minds of that day) that another 4 dimensional universe could exist.
The English language (and all languages) are malleable and can be changed or amended as new information is found.
So there is no need to be dogmatic.
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« Reply #35 on: September 10, 2009, 20:03:47 »

When it was first defined, it meant 'everything', not 'what is currently known'. So, again, the word 'universe' should refer to the universe and not 'something that exists inside the universe'.

Now, try to be logical and not dogmatic toward a certain dictionary. For example, a dimension can be called 'dimension', a bubble can be called 'bubble', the Big Bang can be called 'the Big Bang'. We already have words for these things and don't need to assign 'universe' to all of them
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« Reply #36 on: September 10, 2009, 21:19:42 »

Question:  Who cares?
This has kinda got off topic of "Astral Projection"... or even anything metaphysical for that matter.

You guys should continue this here -->  http://www.nasa.gov/

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« Reply #37 on: September 15, 2009, 01:42:39 »

The word 'universe' refers to everything, so there can't be multiples
A universe is just a region in space, the entire creation is called Cosmos.
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« Reply #38 on: September 15, 2009, 02:28:27 »

A universe is just a region in space, the entire creation is called Cosmos.
If you say so..

In order to better understand what the universes, cosmos, or dimensions are we are going to have to get out and explore them. Right now it's tough to define these things because we can't really see or experience anything that goes on outside our own terrestrial sphere.
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