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« on: September 18, 2006, 23:18:36 »

As some of you know, I am planning to take my own life within a couple months. I can see my own finish line very clearly and the time is soon. I have been trying to spiritually prepare myself. I have been practicing AP, and meditation several hours a day.

I haven't completely gotten the results that I wanted, but I'm not concerned about that anymore. I'm not going to rush things... though time is ticking I still practice patiently.

I am afraid of physical pain however, and one thing I've been wondering about is, could I ask an interdimensional being to let me stay? Would something like this work? If I explain my situation to them.

Thanks for any advice you can offer. I know this is a strange circumstance, but surely there must be room for my soul in a vast ocean of merciful spirits.
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« Reply #1 on: September 19, 2006, 05:56:14 »

Consider that your soul has actually chosen to experience life on this physical plane, and there's actually a very good reason for why you're here.

Choosing to permanently take yourself away from this physical existance would defeat your soul's purpose in being here, in which case if you leave this plane before finding out what that purpose is, your soul will probably just turn around and say "well that didn't work, I'll just have to go back and try again."

I know it's not always easy (there's an understatement), but by allowing your heart and not your mind to guide you - not letting your mind caught up in all the fears and doubts that we humans are so good at clinging on to, you WILL find out what your soul's purpose in being here is.

Once you do find that out, you WILL feel a great sense of inner peace, and will feel a lot more inclined to keep going.

You'll notice my comments are not coming from a place of "oh no, don't do it!" Ultimately it's your choice and nobody can make you do anything you really don't want to do. That's what free will is all about.

Just consider that there are possibilities you haven't explored yet, and consider that our soul's always want us to reach the highest potential we're capable of. Just keep the mind out of the way for a bit, go within, and find out where it is your soul wants you to be.

Blessings,
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« Reply #2 on: September 19, 2006, 06:12:39 »

thenoob, what is your motive for suicide?
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« Reply #3 on: September 19, 2006, 19:37:13 »

lol man, the choice you have made is a very final one, but id just like to know what you expect next. who knows if your next existence will even be better than the one you have now, believe me there are much worse circustances in which to live. you dont really wish to die, you just seek freedom, live life man, even if only for a short time, make every day as if it was your last. there is more freedom in the world than you think. you just have to find it for yourself.

PS dont doit man! :wink:haha
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« Reply #4 on: September 19, 2006, 19:43:33 »

TheNoob,

I've been involved with OBE's for a real long time now. In my self discoveries when I was introduced to to the astral my life was in a 180 degree opposite direction of being pure, but pretty much changed my attitude over-night and for the good! It took me many years of practice, patience, and energy to get where I am at now (20yrs later) and I am still working at OBE's , even harder. I've read through some of your previous posts and it seems you definitely want to project. I see the excitment in you and that is good. All this was not servered to me on a silver platter - I really had to do my reading, studying, many trials and errors, worrying if I could project. The end result is what you put into it and I was not a natural talent at it either.

Ending your life short and literally traveling to the other side permanetly you'll miss out on a lot of those opportunities like going to the moon, being blessed by an angel, getting past that darkness and seeing the light. If its people,stores that screw you over, don't you think that we were not at one time in the same boat? There is always that good and bad in life, you just have to realize if you walk in the light of good, you will be the one raising above the ashes and flames.

In many of OBE's I had some real challenges with fear, not wanting to obe, but it happened. Like a Freddy Krugar scene not wanting to sleep. But I did get over it and saw the beauty when I was able to project cleanly and experience the love. Its the same way with life, we will see the bad and the good - just have to find a way around the bad and learn from it to make it a better world!

If you goto the web site http://www.near-death.com/ maintained by Kevin Williams and read up on the NDE stories. You will find a section on suicide and NDEs - http://www.near-death.com/suicide.html
There is excellent material for you to research, read, and help you on your spiritual journey towards physical life.

All in all is that the majority of the sucuides written on the site, people return saying that it was a mistake, and all that that there is love.

I hope you choose otherwise not to end your life!

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« Reply #5 on: September 19, 2006, 23:31:54 »

I have a hard time combining these concepts with our base physical existence but it's interesting how so many independent experiences are similar when dealing with how the spiritual world works.

I imagine I might end up as one of those souls who is never redeemed, who hides in the shadows in shame, and fear.
 
I suffer from social phobia and bipolar disorder.. I'm on medication to treat this, but I have stopped taking it lately because I know what I must do, and I want to experience my true nature to confirm what must be done. I am also hopelessly addicted to drugs and eating. I was recently busted by the police for drug dealing.
The reasons I write might seem petty, but to me I am destroyed.
After coming up through an abusive environment... and it took me a while to realize that's just what it was... it was a situation in which I was put down and insulted daily.  Where I wasn't free to be myself and something was always wrong. I don't blame family, I blame the nature of family and how it is an inherently flawed system.

What was once my passion, which was to write and illustrate children's books, has been turned off like a light switch. I feel that I have been emotionally beaten into submission. That part of me is dead.

I feel that I discovered who I was very early and I've always tried to just do what was comfortable to me, and it always was my destiny. I think suicide is no different. The Beatles quote "There's nothing you can do that you weren't meant to do" is relevant.

I was going to delete this post but I guess it doesn't matter one way or the other and it is difficult to communicate the reasons why I would want to do something so extreme, it is also a little embarrassing. 
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« Reply #6 on: September 20, 2006, 05:23:06 »

I've read your posts thenoob and i would like to give you some friendly advice. I'll start of with everyone has problems and will always have them. Nothing is like the movies where you see everything perfect, perfection does not exist. This is a world of good and bad, right and wrong, wealthy and poor etc.
It comes down to two types of people. People who face their problems, and people who run away from them. And the only way to solve a problem, is to face it. Be brave, be strong, and steady. I understand that you've been through a rough life, but you must also think you could be worse off than you are. And death should never be considered the solution to anything! You have this one life, live it. You are not completely sure what will happen to you after you die, no one is. But what you do know is that you are living here, and you should make the best of it. Some of us are not fortunate to have things hand given to us, you have to fight for it, earn it. The only person who can truely help you is yourself. You need to make that effort for the change you want. Don't stop your medication unless it doesn't help you, you should know the difference and how you feel. And lastly and most importantly, DON'T BE IMPULSIVE! Think things through.  smiley

I hope to see you around.
Take care now.

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« Reply #7 on: September 20, 2006, 15:44:03 »

dear noob

may love and light surround you always

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« Reply #8 on: September 21, 2006, 00:13:32 »

From what I have experienced over there, they can't make that decision for you, but on the other hand they can provide any help you need in order to go on with your life over here.
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« Reply #9 on: September 21, 2006, 10:57:38 »

http://www.metanoia.org/suicide/
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« Reply #10 on: September 21, 2006, 22:30:26 »

Thanks for all the replies. What I was most interested in were the spiritual experiences, aspects and consequences of a suicide. That website dealing with this angle was very interesting. The other rhetoric is sort of wasted on me and is unnecessary. I can't know for certain how I will behave once I am face to face with the end however, but I know that I don't see it as if I'm running away from problems or being cowardly, I see it more as achieving peace and moving on. In my case it is my mature decision. Now it is just a matter of tying loose ends.
I have also noticed that my spiritual energies seem to have completely ceased. While I was able to fall into the deep blackness about 3-4 a week regularly the past month, the past week I have hit a brick wall. This may be the result of a prayer from my friend who was trying to protect me. She knows what I am thinking and knows that I would be vulnerable to all dark entities in the astral looking to prey upon someone vulnerable.
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« Reply #11 on: September 22, 2006, 03:40:26 »

well readng your first post it seemed as if your thought processes were much more peaceful (however suicide generally isnt peaceful) but upon reading your second post it sounds more like your just saying "I give up. Game over." however you have been through everything up til now and your still alive so I am not sure why you would want to end it. but its your choice I suppose.
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« Reply #12 on: September 22, 2006, 03:59:33 »

yes some days it is more peaceful and the conviction is just as strong as days where it's a result of frustrations, I think it's possible for both cases to be true. Then the other poster made the tough love response of 'you just want attention,' and it made me sick to my stomach. it dawned on me that this is actually being read by others, and being stoned by judgmental words online is what I should've expected. I shouldn't have posted this topic.

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I find it wonderful that you see that most is just a result of frustrations and normal everyday life.  smiley 

However, which is the british way of saying, anyways..lol.   I do find it a bit strange though that you were pysically made sick to your stomach.  Then you go into the "read by others"...Hmmm...and then "being stoned by judgmental words" you are starting to remind me of someone....*taps chin*
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« Reply #14 on: September 22, 2006, 04:52:24 »

Dude.. i'm sorry i made a lame comment...

But i've had people close to me try this bull crap, and its a touchy subject...

you get the point.. suicide is lame.. thats all i have to say, and i'm sorry if i came off as sassy or rude

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« Reply #15 on: September 22, 2006, 22:56:36 »

Thanks for all the replies. What I was most interested in were the spiritual experiences, aspects and consequences of a suicide. That website dealing with this angle was very interesting. The other rhetoric is sort of wasted on me and is unnecessary. I can't know for certain how I will behave once I am face to face with the end however, but I know that I don't see it as if I'm running away from problems or being cowardly, I see it more as achieving peace and moving on. In my case it is my mature decision. Now it is just a matter of tying loose ends.
I have also noticed that my spiritual energies seem to have completely ceased. While I was able to fall into the deep blackness about 3-4 a week regularly the past month, the past week I have hit a brick wall. This may be the result of a prayer from my friend who was trying to protect me. She knows what I am thinking and knows that I would be vulnerable to all dark entities in the astral looking to prey upon someone vulnerable.

Hello thenoob,

One of the biggest consequences faced by a person who suicides is the realisation that after making the transition to the non-physical realms, the Astral, nothing changes except for one thing; they are no longer able to do anything about whatever it is they thought they were escaping. They feel the same, think the same, and still face whatever caused them to take such drastic action. However, the situation is worse due to the fact that, in the absense of a physical body, they can no longer remedy the situation and have to live with it.

The truth is that we all chose to incarnate into the physical world knowing the issues we would face, and knowing that we can only evolve by overcoming them.

You can be sure, beyond any doubt, that suicide is no escape; quite the contrary.

Kind regards,

Adrian.
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« Reply #16 on: September 22, 2006, 23:54:50 »

no i am sorry too... i was faced with a reality check that i was in denial about and escaping from it. it made me second guess the whole process of posting this.  i can only conclude that part of me doubts doing this otherwise I wouldn't have written this whole thing. but I couldn't keep this secret inside and I feel I know what I'm capable of, it must be a combination of wanting to vent with wishing there was an alternative, with expressing hopelessness that i already have a plan in motion... i know that lots of people struggle with these thoughts, so I try not to be egotistical or too self-absorbed. i think since billions of life-forms have died, we're all in pretty okay company.

Dude.. i'm sorry i made a lame comment...

But i've had people close to me try this bull crap, and its a touchy subject...

you get the point.. suicide is lame.. thats all i have to say, and i'm sorry if i came off as sassy or rude

Adrian,
Thanks for your reply.
One thing that I don't completely grasp about your theory is that this must apply to everyone who dies, suicidal or not. So if an alcoholic dies in a car crash they will still have to deal with their addiction on the other side. If an old, miserable man dies but lived a long productive life, he will still be a miserable soul. Or do only suicides get the unhappy ending of living in torment on the other side?
I mean nobody has a storybook life.. it just goes and goes and we deal with our S then ends, so it seems everyone would have to deal with the problem you discussed.
Also according to your theory, this implies that the soul is born along with the body, as opposed to one neutral soul choosing to enter a body, then dying and choosing another body. According to your theory our souls are intertwined with our physical existence and the stamp of identity carries over to the other side, as opposed to the soul shedding the skin and moving on without being bound by physical issues.
Just wondering if you could clarify how this works.
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« Reply #17 on: September 22, 2006, 23:56:32 »

Noob

Like some have stated, suicide won't remove the problems and challenges you face now. It will, however, make them more immediate as you will enter a state of existence where reality responds to you immediately and usually in an in-your-face manner.

The choice to end your life is yours though, and if you have truly thought it out and still think it's the way to go then nobody can stop you.
Do keep in mind that once committed to the act it cannot be reversed (unless you go for the sissy kind of suicide that isn't really really meant to kill you.) In other words if you find, after the fact, that you've fooked up royally, you can't take it back and you're stuck with the consequences.

Having broken the law, having mental problems, being too disillusioned or jaded to write a book are not reasons to end a life. Not yours and not that of someone else.

The way I see it, the only reason to end one's life is when there is no physical world reason to do it and when everything that needs to be done has been done. Those circumstances are rare in the extreme and even then (especially then) the choice to end one's life is only one option among a countless sea of possibilities.

Points to keep in mind if you proceed:
1) Make sure the poors "#§%ards scooping up the remains have an easy way to identify you. If you don't know the hassle and just plain gory "#§% peoplemhave to go to figure out whodunit then don't do it.
2) Make sure the ones left nbehind donšt end up waiting on your arse to die hooked up to tubes etc for years. If you don't know what it means to kep vigil to someone in thye process of dying don't impose it on others.
3) Make sure the method of your choice is effective as opposed to impressive. If you are not sure what the difference is, donšt do it.
4) In the case you fail and end up crippled and with people wiping your hiney and tube feeding you, do not dare to whine and complain. If you cannot hack that then don't do it.

5) Basically, it's not worth the hassle to off yourself. 9999 times out of 10000 it's better to stop, breathe and think of a way to sort out your life with less drama.

2cents & L&L
Jouni

PS: If you're adamant that you need to end your life, why would you want top ask the Higher Beings(tm) to let you stay?


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« Reply #18 on: September 23, 2006, 01:30:36 »

Adrian,
Thanks for your reply.
One thing that I don't completely grasp about your theory is that this must apply to everyone who dies, suicidal or not. So if an alcoholic dies in a car crash they will still have to deal with their addiction on the other side. If an old, miserable man dies but lived a long productive life, he will still be a miserable soul. Or do only suicides get the unhappy ending of living in torment on the other side?
I mean nobody has a storybook life.. it just goes and goes and we deal with our S then ends, so it seems everyone would have to deal with the problem you discussed.
Also according to your theory, this implies that the soul is born along with the body, as opposed to one neutral soul choosing to enter a body, then dying and choosing another body. According to your theory our souls are intertwined with our physical existence and the stamp of identity carries over to the other side, as opposed to the soul shedding the skin and moving on without being bound by physical issues.
Just wondering if you could clarify how this works.

(Adrian, hope you don't mind me stepping here for a bit. I've been doing quite a bit of work in this area in the past 6 months, thought I could lend some insight.)

Hi thenoob,

Maybey I can help shed some light on this for you.
I perform past life regression healings at the spiritual learning centre where I work. The idea behind these regressions, and they are actually a form of healing, is to allow a client to go a previous / parallel life that is the first cause of "karmic" or leftover problems or issues that they are experiencing in this life. They experience the past life situation to give them awareness of what happened, then I guide them back through that life and  "re-write" the story, guiding them through a re-creation of that life that has a perfect outcome instead, which actually gives them not only a very deep emotional healing, but also helps in reprogramming subconscious habits.

What I've experienced in these healings supports what Adrian just posted 100%.

To have a look at your reply to Adrian....
I'll start from the bottom of your post up, as I think I can make more sense of it that way.

The soul is not born along with the body. The soul has been in existence since the very first moment consciousness experienced itsself - the Big Bang.
You could say that your soul has been around forever.
The soul can be described as not only the source of your consciousness, but also the ultimate recording device. The soul remembers everything from every lifetime.

When the soul attaches to a new body, it carries with it all of the memories of past lifetimes. We don't consciously remember those lifetimes due to the limitations of our physical brains, and what I believe could be described as a form of cheating - that is, the physical existence the soul has chosen to experience would be "corrupted" by the knowledge of many lifetimes. The soul is trying to experience this latest existence from an entirely new perspective.

What the soul will bring to the new body though, is both subconscious and cellular memories of past lives so that it can set up the situations needed to help learn and evolve. This is especially true if it has "karmic" (cause and effect) issues to work through.

If we use the example you mentioned of the drunk dying in a car crash.
For starters, the drunk will have issues in his / her life with addictions. Perhaps this addictive behavior is part of their cellular memory form a past life, perhaps this is the first life it has shown up in. Whatever the case, the drunk driver has now died before he / she was able to overcome that addictive nature.

So now the soul that belongs to the drunk driver has gone into the afterlife. It experiences a life review, and it understands that this behavioral issue has not yet been resolved.

All souls have one common purpose - evolution. The ultimate goal of evolution is to return to oneness - the ultimate "heaven" of pure love and pure consciousness. In order to achieve that evolution, to achieve that higher understanding, a soul knows that it needs to experience the cause of problems then overcome them in order to understand and evolve. You cannot know what love is until you have known fear. Then you understand.

So the soul of the drunk driver realises it has still not resolved this issue of addiction, so it will incarnate back into a new body, take with it some subconscious and cellular memory, and more or less orchestrate the conditions it needs to allow it to face addictions and finally overcome them. The soul will do this as many times as it needs to in order to gain understanding.

So what Adrian is saying to you thenoob, is that whatever the issues are that you are unable to deal with at the moment, leaving them behind is not going to fix anything for you. Your only going to have to face it all again, and next time it is likely the situations take ownership of your life and you will experience will be more severe.

There is a spiritual truth spoken of in the Bible - God will not give us more than we can bear.
On a spiritual level, what that is saying is we are given all the tools we need in this lifetime to overcome any issues that we may face. The soul sets in place the conditions before birth needed to work through and issue, and it also sets in place the keys for us to find that will free us.

The first of these keys is simply to acknowledge the problems in your life. The second is to take ownership of your life and firmly decide that you are going to do something to make it work.

I speak from experience here.
Many years ago I suffered sever depression and became suicidal. It was when I was a split second away from actually committing suicide, when I was in a moment of not caring about anything or anyone, that I experienced what is known as being in the now, or being in the present moment. No thoughts of past or future, in fact no thoughts at all - just stillness. In that split second I gained a clarity that helped me see a way out. I took it!

It hasn't been an easy road to get where I am, but I did take ownership of my life and my issues, I'm facing them, working through them, and now feel like I'm being rewarded by the Universe every day. I can honestly say now I am happy.

I have also gained an understand about suffering depression.
As Quoted by the Dalai Lama - "Pain is inevitable. Suffering is optional"

Blessings,
James.
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« Reply #19 on: September 23, 2006, 02:34:29 »

I am afraid of physical pain however, and one thing I've been wondering about is, could I ask an interdimensional being to let me stay? Would something like this work? If I explain my situation to them.
My guess is that a being powerful and intelligent enough to let you do that wouldn't.  You should consider that you have a good reason to be a part of physical existence.  Why would you waste a perfectly good life?  The astral planes aren't going anywhere.  They'll still be there when you die naturally of old age.
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« Reply #20 on: September 23, 2006, 10:43:56 »

Hello thenoob,

Thanks for your reply.
One thing that I don't completely grasp about your theory is that this must apply to everyone who dies, suicidal or not. So if an alcoholic dies in a car crash they will still have to deal with their addiction on the other side. If an old, miserable man dies but lived a long productive life, he will still be a miserable soul. Or do only suicides get the unhappy ending of living in torment on the other side?
I mean nobody has a storybook life.. it just goes and goes and we deal with our S then ends, so it seems everyone would have to deal with the problem you discussed.
Also according to your theory, this implies that the soul is born along with the body, as opposed to one neutral soul choosing to enter a body, then dying and choosing another body. According to your theory our souls are intertwined with our physical existence and the stamp of identity carries over to the other side, as opposed to the soul shedding the skin and moving on without being bound by physical issues.
Just wondering if you could clarify how this works.

Thank you James for your excellent and detailed explanation.

Noob; It is more than a theory I assure you. Many people seem to erroneously believe that "death" changes people fundamentally; it doesn't. The only thing that changes is changing from a physical to a non-physical state of being, and living on a higher vibration; e.g. in the Astral worlds.

The truth is when a person "passes on" they retain the same character, attitudes, thoughts and so on, as well as an Astral body that appears like the physical body but younger. So whatever issues you experienced in the physical world you take with you to the Astral.

People often ask me if people who commit suicide are "punished" by the Universe/God. Well the truth is The Universe is perfect and we all create our own reality, so a person that commits suicide also creates their own punishment. This is because they have to observe the issues left behind without being able to resolve those issues, thereby failing in the mission of that incarnation, and they have to observe the grieving relatives left behind, and they have to meditate on what might have been but can no longer be. And these are not vague thoughts; without the encumbrance of a physical brain these thoughts are more real than they ever would have been in the physical world.

Incarnation is very misunderstood. It is not the person who passed on that reincarnates again. That person; e.g. you will never reincarnate again, so do not get the idea that you can reincarnate yourself out of this situation; you definitely cannot.

We all have a Higher-Self, and the Higher-Self is who we really are. Each incarnation is an aspect of our Higher-Self. When the Higher-Self has collected enough experience though sending many different "messengers" to experience Earth, the Higher-Self then assumes the identity of the final incarnation and continues as a whole on the sacred path as the "sum and experience of all the parts".

A good analogy is a jelly fish. Think of the big lump of jelly as the higher self, and each of the tentacles that hang down from the jelly as each incarnation.

So this means that if you fail in one incarnation to achieve a mission, that incarnation still lives on, but the Higher-Self will send another aspect of His/Her self to get it right next time. So each person might have hundreds or thousands of themselves in the Astral at the same time, and yes you can all have a meeting together  smiley

Of course each incarnation evolves back to the Higher-Self eventually, just as the Higher-Self evolves to the next level and so on.
So really; suicide is no escape as countless people have discovered.

Everyone should have total trust in the Universe and have the courage to face all issues that they came here to face. If all else fails just throw your entire faith in the Universe; the Universe will never, ever let you down.

Kind regards,

Adrian.


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« Reply #21 on: September 23, 2006, 13:13:24 »

Consider the wisdom of James S and Adrian.

To come back to your original question. Lets assume you manage to actually contact an "interdimensional being". Lets also assume such a being is not just an aspect of your own mind. If this being is worth its salt at all it will most definitely not allow you to wallow in self pity forever.
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« Reply #22 on: September 23, 2006, 14:26:17 »

Wonderful thoughts, James and Adrian!  I really love the jelly fish analogy, I'm using that one.  grin
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« Reply #23 on: September 23, 2006, 16:46:33 »

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One thing that I don't completely grasp about your theory is that this must apply to everyone who dies, suicidal or not. So if an alcoholic dies in a car crash they will still have to deal with their addiction on the other side. If an old, miserable man dies but lived a long productive life, he will still be a miserable soul. Or do only suicides get the unhappy ending of living in torment on the other side?


I hadn't read this thread till today and wasn't intending to respond until thenoob asked these questions. I prefer not to share too many personal experiences. But the specific example of alcoholism makes me think I should speak up here.

Some background info:
My father was an alcoholic and verbally abusive and extremely controlling to my brother, sister and I while we were growing up. There was some physical abuse, but nothing major (even as I write this I realize that sounds contradictory). The point is it certainly was not a childhood you would ask for, at least not in physical form.

My father died when he was 45, about 13 years ago. I hadn't seen him in years before that. When I looked at him during the viewing his entire body looked like it was painted gold. That's how far gone his liver was. He had a lot of issues from his childhood he could not deal with and turned to alcohol as a solution. While he did not actively kill himself, his decision to drink to such excess was what caused his early death. So in my opinion it was an indirect route to suicide.


Relevant Experience:
Several years ago I had considered trying to visit him while in the astral. I had spent years and years reading various texts, meditating, practicing and as a result I had my own thoughts on where he would be and what condition he was in. However, I also have experienced enough to know that I was not strong enough to try and visit him myself. I was very wary of the energy that was surrounding him. I have experienced various types of energies while out and they really can affect you if you don't know how to repel them -- and I'm not that advanced yet.

One night earlier this year, a guide brought him to visit me and we had a very long talk. I won't go in to details of the conversation, but there are certain things I want to share with you. First, even though in physical life my father was about 5 inches taller than I was, in the astral he was about 1 foot shorter than me. He looked just the same as I remembered him when I first left home for college, except shorter/smaller in proportion to his whole body (so he still had his 'beer belly'). The other thing that immediately struck me was how absolutely dirty he was. He didn't look physically dirty.....I know there are no physical bodies in the astral. But I mean I didn't 'see' dirt on him. Rather his energy or vibration or whatever you want to call it was so thick and dirty I was literally repulsed. I could feel it around him and it made me queezy. I was able to put one arm around him to hug him, but I could not bring myself to kiss him. I then quickly let go from the hug and was able to talk to him just fine as long as I wasn't too close to him.

We talked about his life and his problems. Since his death, he'd been trying to deal with them from the astral and felt he was ready to make the next step and wanted to discuss it with me. The problem he was having was not taking responsibility for his actions though. He was very frustrated because the people working with him had given him a list of things that he caused to happen through his actions while in the physical and he disagreed with a lot of the items on the list. He showed me the list and wanted me to take his side so to speak, but I couldn't do it. I told him very sincerely I forgive him for everything he had done. But that my forgiveness doesn't mean that the things didn't happen. In the end, he realized he was not ready to move up because he still was not able to see his life and his actions objectively and take responsibility for what had happened and work to identify other ways to deal with his issues.

I guess I'm giving you an actual example of what Adrian and James were trying to relay. I personally have no fear of death any longer. And that in itself is a very liberating feeling. But I have no desire to end my life before its time. I am here for specific reasons. I have figured out what a few of them are already. I know there are many others that I still need to realize/experience. And ending life now does not take away the pain, desire, frustration, fears, etc that you feel while in physical form. In fact, all of those things follow you in to the astral. And from what I understand, it takes much longer to deal with them over there than facing them here.

So transitioning to the other side to get away from what is facing you in this lifetime, only puts you in an area with other people who think and feel exactly the way you do. There will be others there, guides to help, but the bulk of people you will be surrounded by are others with similar vibrations to yours. And vibrations are based on feelings and thoughts. So while you won't deal with the physical aspects of alcoholism or other addictions or desires or fears or whatever. Each of those feelings has an energetic component as well as a physical aspect and its those energies that comprise the area in which you end up after death. The only way you are able to go beyond those types of energies is to completely free yourself of them. They simply cannot resonate at higher vibrations/levels. And the only way to rid yourself from them is to identify other, more productive ways to deal with the issues causing those feelings.

Hope this helps clarify this question.

EDIT: I also wanted to explain that the consciousness you have while in the physical body is not the same as the consciousness you have while out of body or after death. Once you have died, you gain a little bit more access to your higher self, guardian angel, spirit, whatever word you want to use. The point is that while in the physical you decide you want to die and never return. When you do cross over, there is a VERY high probability that your request will be completely forgotten. Because when you are over there, you have a broader understanding of the universe and your place in it. All of this is hidden or forgotten when you incarnate. My guess is that your soul/spirit will decide to reincarnate again and in all probability will select at least a few of the issues causing you trouble this time around to appear in the next incarnation again.
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« Reply #24 on: September 23, 2006, 23:21:05 »

thenoob please do not do it! I know you don't want to hear that, but please just hear me out.

What if the entity you are talking to is a disguised demon! He might play you into thinking he's a great person or entity, or whatever he is. If you and him agree to staying "there" forever - what if it ends up being a hellish place - please for the sake of your own soul, think twice before doing something like this.

And about re-incarnation... I don't think it's real. I think this is our only trip - we only go around once. Think about it, unless new souls are being created every second by God, which I don't think I've heard from any serious religion, the current amount of existant souls is not enough to supply our exponentially growing population! No one knows for sure that we come back a second time - so make the best of, and live the longest you can incase this is the only time around.
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